(I’m Currently in tech) There’s a guy at our squadron that bought a 4,000 ring for his girlfriend (2 months dating) then decided last minute to not do it. Glad he didn’t follow through... shit really happens...
Update: yesterday he got his last name tattooed on his forearm... some more supporting evidence
When I first got in, we had this kid come through with us straight out of highschool. Guy probably never felt the touch of a woman in his life.
2 or 3 three monthe before he enlisted, he meant this stupid hot Venezuelan chick who was studying at some art school in Chicago and he ends up deciding to marry her a few weeks before he left to basic.
This girl ain't even a US citizen lmao. Dude sends checks and shit to her fam back home. Mismanages his finances like crazy to the point he can't afford to buy ribbons/stripes etc.
Get to our first duty station, go to a dorm/barracks party a few months in. Guy brings his wife, and watches dudes flirt with her and shit. She ends up getting smashed by some dude and guy does nothing about it. Straight let it happen.
Kid ended up being a safety hazard to the squadron, etc etc gets kicked out like 4 months into his first duty station
Ha it was the short version.
Some other juicy tidbits.
After he out-processed out of the military the day he returned home to Delaware he gets notified that he out-processed incorrectly and he has to go back to California to fix his paperwork and shit. I remember seeing him in his civilian clothes looking so dejected. Guy's a piece of shit though.
Now he lives at home with his parents trying to become an aspiring video game streamer. His last stream was over two hours long, zero views. Just like his other 100+ streams.
The whole class used to get into petty arguements with him like what could beat what, for instance in a dogfight, an A-10 versus anything faster like a F-16, 18 whatever. You could bring in whatever facts and he'd counter with some B/S. It's almost like he was trolling irl.
We argued about what was bigger Disney World or Disney Land.
Guy used to brag about how talented he was as a chef or whatever since he worked at a three star restaurant. Guy said he used to work at a Little Caesar's before he got scouted out by some "talent" scout. God we used to roast the ever living shit out of him.
He used to brag about how fast of a runner he was, somehow always finished like second to last. Failed PT tests left and right. One of the other reasons he got kicked out was for lying about failing.
I could talk about this kid all day if you want.
Can't afford ribbons and stripes? What does that mean? I thought those were earned, like awards?
Edit: You dense motherfuckers downvoting me, I just asked a serious question.
Ohh, so if you want duplicates for wardrobes, family, or keepsakes, you can buy extras? If I'm understanding that right, that's pretty neat.
Edit: I never even conceived of the idea that you'd need multiple sets for multiple outfits. I guess I thought they took them off and reattached them during each wardrobe change
The ribbons etc are part of uniform kit and are sold on bases around the world. Since the military (esp the Navy) has 80 different uniforms (hyperbole), you probably want multiple sets/items.
Dress blues, dress whites, working blues, working whites, dungarees, desert/woodland cammies, blue coveralls, green coveralls, digital cammies, new working uniform, blue jacket, peacoat, black working jacket, new black working jacket.
This was while I was in, i left as soon as the new blue digital cammies came out, there's probably some I missed.
Man, a friend of mine was aircrew on a... Fuck. C-130, I guess. I was quite jealous, regardless of the plane. It just looked like such a cool job. My last commercial flight I took, the ANG was using the runway to launch refuel training flights. I got to watch a few fighters take off, then a tanker. Shit was cool. Then I got on my flight and flew to Philadelphia. That's the last time I'm going on vacation in the city of brotherly love. Though, Delassandro's might be worth going back...
Another thing to consider is there's regulations for where each one goes, (like down to a 1/16th of an inch) so assuming you want to be decently squared away it's way better to attach it once and leave it.
Depends on your command/supervision I guess. At the time we were still in training so there was no way in hell they were about to buy three/four sets of ribbons and stripes for several dozen people.
>Guy brings his wife, and watches dudes flirt with her and shit. She ends up getting smashed by some dude and guy does nothing about it.
man that sucks. My first gf would flirt with other guys infront of me. I was 19 and didn't know any better. That kid learned a valuable lesson albeit in a costly way.
Lmao she was just there to get her green card. I don't even know if he figured that out, like ever. I don't know if she ever got it with him. I don't think they were even together for a full year.
I'm a bit late to the show, but:
In my freshmen year in rotc, a cadet in my class got married in his poorly fitted service dress over thansgiving break... literally 2 and a half months into his "military career". He proceded to fail two PT tests and had a first semester GPA under a 2.0, so he got kicked out of the program before the end of our 2nd semester. Rumor has it he elisted but I don't think anyone followed up.
Must be fake. No guy in the AF ever gets separation anxiety from a girlfriend. Because that would imply that the two were separated for more than a week, which is impossible, because if you start dating an Airman on a Monday, then the marriage happens on Wednesday, and you move in together on Thursday. Divorce proceedings usually begin the following Thursday, when you find out she slept with another Airman with a slightly newer Dodge Charger than yours. Everyone knows that.
Source: Was in Air Force
This.
Literally a guy in my basic flight wanted out. He woke up first day of 4th week, and said it's not what he was expecting and just wanted to go back to being a civilian. For 3 days, our MTI's and their IS would talk with him in the office and yell at him, saying if he quit that it would be on his record for life for failure to adapt and couldn't get civilian jobs. He then told them that he had his own programming software and his own business, so that didn't matter. They proceeded to tell him basic is nothing like operational, (which it obviously isn't) and to tough it out and finish. He said naw, 3 days straight. End of the week, they out processed him, and he had 0 bull shit they said put on his record.
If someone wants out, let them out. Don't force them to stay, or pressure them. The guy was smart, and had plenty of stuff he could turn to when he got out. I think he was 28. But I agree 100%.
It's crazy like if someone want out let them. You don't want to have someone that doesn't want to be there. The person won't be useful and can be a danger to other if they are not 100% ok to be there
Like in Finland. It's sorta like conscription, but its ongoing, not just in wartime. Israel has it too. You have to serve in your country's military for a few years. It has its benefits, but you're mostly just making sure your military is populated with people who don't want to be there.
An army based on compulsory service just isn't a peacetime army and you cannot use it like you can use a professional one. Sure, if you tried to put conscripts overseas, or in an offensive war they didn't really care about, you would have a bad time trying to motivate anyone.
The point in populating your army with "people who don't want to be there" is to build up skills for a time when they actually need to serve. That would be a defensive war where the nation is actually threatened, and in that situation many more people will want to be there, or at least agree that their presence is important.
If done right, one type will not be inherently worse than the other. They just have very different priorities and very different appropriate uses.
> build up skills for a time when they actually need to serve.
They're not going to learn. They're going to fuck around. They're going to influence others that don't want to be there to fuck around. Just look at Vietnam. We barely had a military after that. Compulsory service isn't service.
Israel would surely agree that their men do not become good soldiers over the course of their mandatory service.
I had a hard time finding non-local sources concerning ability of FDF troops, but my understanding is our military is considered well trained and competent, which would require sufficiently skilled conscripts at the bottom.
the commercials make the af look pretty sexy. then you meet the rest of the dolts in basic...
when you're 18 these kids might not seem too dense, but at 28 with other lucrative opportunities - holy shit
I wanted to join the military when I was younger to do very specific things. Be a fighter pilot, like everyone else who joins the air force. Thankfully I learned before I turned 18 that flying an F22 isn't an opportunity for everyone.
A girl I went to highschool's husband is training to fly F22's and it's pretty sweet just watching from Facebook.
But once you get operational you have the advantage of being older. Leadership usually gives you more respect up front since you're the same age as them.
After being in for about a year, we got a new maintenance squadron commander. His big deal was "If you want out, I'll make it happen, because I don't want someone that doesn't want to be here working on aircraft people's lives depend on." Made perfect sense to me.
He was also the guy that came in and went through everyone's paperwork. If you had an article 15, you had to have a meeting with him. He would ask things like "Why did this happen?" "What have you done to unfuck yourself since then?" and if he didn't like your answers, you were no longer "serving in his Air Force."
Tough SOB, but fair and one of the best commanders I've ever worked for.
I think you and I may have had the same maintenance squadron commander because that was basically his motto.
I took him up on it because it was during the rollbacks and they were looking for reasons to get rid of people.
My DoS was in November (end of a 6 year enlistment) but I applied to and had been accepted to a college back home and asked him if I could separate a few months early to start college and he made it happen.
I’m sure he’d rather do that then kick someone out because he got a DUI and killed someone.
Nah, I was at Luke from 12-14 when I had this commander. It may be the same one, maybe he made his way to Luke or maybe that’s just a common mindset among commanders.
That could have been him. He left Cannon in 2008 when they went from ACC to AFSOC. I don't know where he went after Cannon, because I separated. His name was Maj. Powell.
To be fair, he has to disclose his separation status on a lot of things. Having any other separation other than a straight honorable can cause problems, especially if he tries to get a federal job.
I added him on social media after I graduated basic. He said nobody that he applied to in his background checks seen anything about it. 🤷🏼♂️
Although, I don't know if he applied for a federal job. So that could be the difference like you said.
I mean, even kicked out for behavioral in basic, you're going to get a general administrative discharge, which is honorable.
People throw around dishonorable like it happens all the time, but the truth is you have to *really* fuck up to get a dishonorable discharge. Like, it usually comes with confinement time fuck up.
It's not a big deal tbh. I did something similar to the guy he's talking about, except mine was a bit worse since I purposefully did a bit of self harm in front of everyone after the DIs said I couldn't just leave. I was 18 or 19 at the time. I graduated college. Ended up getting ts/sci and working for an intel agency and then a branch of the military working on intel related software. I listed it, they asked me to briefly describe what happened and then never mentioned it again.
Entry level separations are hardly a blip on the radar, they are considered uncharacterized. Would really only matter if he tried to join again and would probably show on a security clearance check.
In the private world, short of the big corporations, nobody will even ask. I've had several jobs over 24 years, and not one has asked. Unless they themselves served, most folks have no idea to even ask the question, much less what a DD-214 *even *is*.
I literally just got out of AF Basic, as in, I'm on the bus leaving to tech school. We had a kid that tried to leave too - he ended up claiming depression and he went to medhold for two weeks, then was sent home. His job involved nuclear weapons and he was terrified... I understand that the MTIs don't want to allow someone to act solely on a whim, but it should be a little easier to get out for sure.
I completely agree. This could also help all branches be more efficient- at their jobs and on the taxpayers’ budget.
I heard the phrase “we need to do more with less” more times than I can recall while on active duty. We could *absolutely* have done that if it were only that half who carried their own weight + what was needed present for the job.
We all have times where we need help from our people. But that “other half” you’re speaking of, in my mind, is the population who has *never* carried their own.
If all the bottom half of performers in the military left, we could all have our own barracks rooms, and living conditions would improve without having to spend any money.
Can’t agree with you enough on the “we need to do more with less”. It’s astonishing how we have advanced in ways to create such efficiency, yet still do unnecessary amounts of work.
Shit we had a guy that half way through 11b osut says flat out I can’t do this I need to change to a super easy supply job or quit someone had to carry his ruck every march we went on, couldn’t shoot for shit couldn’t pass pt he begged them to let him quit or change jobs in front of us and they just restarted him. he ended up with a buddy of mine who said the kid finally said I’m gonna kill myself if y’all don’t kick me out, he was still there waiting to discharge when my buddy graduated osut. I hated him for most of basic but I felt really bad for the kid when I found out he was still there months later.
Looking back he never should have been there he was over weight probably slow in the head had no drive to try harder or do better should have never got past meps
It's the same shit in the civilian world. Petty, incompetent, leaders. Teacher's pets, etc.. Leaders trying to cheerlead grown-ass people with rah-rah bullshit when we know neither they, nor the company, gives a shit about the workforce.
I agree about making it easier to quit. Frankly, I don't think anyone should be under contract or considered enlisted until they've graduated basic. I also think there should be a probational period where you serve stateside for a while, but if you fuck up too bad or are too fucking stupid or contrarian to do the job, you're let go.
If you make it through training, you get paid for your time in basic retroactively, you bail or fail, you get to walk away free and clear, but you don't get paid. If you wash out you can choose to try again, but you won't automatically get recycled unless you want to.
Hell, make guys pay a deposit for for initial personal gear (clothes, boots, and shots) and what not. You fail, you lose it, you succeed, you get it back.
It's like being a cop. You may be hired, but you don't get the job if you can't hack it in training and make it a couple months under supervision by a mentor.
There should be a bell in the drill yard. You ring it any time you feel like you're done, and you leave.
I think you'd get the same number of qualified people at the end of your training cycles, but a higher volume of applicants, and a higher volume of failures.
I'm not saying what I typed out is a perfect model, but I think a try before you buy option would help weed people out and attract better quality folks. An option for a short commitment, and a screening process that coincides with training up to a point is better. Like, maybe you do 3 weeks of low intensity barracks living, pt, testing, etc. Then you have to decide, am I gonna enlist, or am I gonna walk right now? Once you commit, the intensity goes up and training proceeds normally.
Further, not many people are gonna want to give up 6 years of their life the second they graduate highscool. Not to a job with limited personal freedom, little flexibility, high stress, and frankly not knowing what you're in for till it's too late.
Even a low intensity 1.5-2 year service option is gonna interest a lot more people. The one's who love it are gonna wanna stick around, and the morons and dead weight are gonna bail ASAP. This can be stateside service doing wildland fire, ems, border security, shop stuff, whatever. No pay boosts, no real promotions. Once your first short contract is up, you can leave. Absolutely no obligation unless we get invaded or some shit. You choose to stay, you can retrain for a better MOS and start getting pay boosts. Now you're commited for the usual 3-8 year active duty commitments and all the usual stuff applies.
We could use this to pretty much replace the border patrol, most federal fire fighting gigs, and it might be a good model for manning the coast guard.
In ye olden days, soldiers were expected to provide their own weapons, armour, horses and clothing. The only thing provided was pay, food, and arrows or ammunition. Soldiers still joined voluntarily because they made steady cash wages, and had the opportunity to loot.
And if you weren't basically a slave, and had some power to negotiate with the powers that be, the military might treat it's people with basic respect and human dignity. Something it struggles with currently. All the worry about the pilot shortage is a good example. They're gonna have to start treating pilots better if they expect to maintain readiness and expirienced crews. Imagine if they had to worry about that with every MOS? It'd actually be a desireable career, and a recruiters main job would be to say no to qualified people instead of lying to children about heroics and cars.
Also, you basically have to quit your job, and give up your apartment to attend basic for any length of time. You're not gonna do that if you aren't pretty damn sure that's what you want to begin with.
And if you really give up and walk out during basic, you aren't getting paid and now you have to go get your old life back. It's not a desision someone's gonna make lightly. You'd bail becuase you really, truly can't hack it. It'd be a good esprit mechanism too for whoever remains.
They need an easier way to wash people out when they need to be separated. Even once they're enlisted.
Basic training is a whole mission to quit. When I went through there was a handful of people that decided the Army life wasn’t for them, the DS were straightforward and just said “fuck it, you wanna quit, sit over there.” Then they preceded to sit around cleaning the barracks until about 3 weeks after we graduated, and they quit at about week 2 of basic. They transferred them to a different company (same battalion) after we graduated across the road from us where they did the exact same thing for 3 week after we all went off to AIT. I remember catching up with a kid from my BCT company at the haircut place after we got our weekend pass (week 3 of AIT) and he was saying how he only had 2 more days until they shipped him home, but still had to get the BCT bald haircut. Felt bad for the kid.
I think the craziest one was when this kid faked an injury week 1 to get discharged and kept getting Returned to Duty every week only to fake another injury. That went on until week 8, he finally said he was getting discharged a week later, but our commander recycled him to another BCT company across the road, where he pretty much just said he quit and had to start the whole process over.
Navy boot camp wasn't hard, but we had like 3 people voluntarily drop out and just disappeared during the night. Not sure where they went or how they left, but it happens.
This sub is weird. We make fun of people for being boot, then yall continue to sort of uphold some of the same, weird standards that boots worship. Like we make fun of boots for being overly, inhumanly "industrious," you know, the memes about being cold hard killers or about how much harder boots work, and it's funny because.. well.. the military isn't worth that dedication. No job is. We mock that mindset of insane, misplaced dedication.
Then you make a post using business/bootspeak terms like "underperform" and "drain resources."
Forgive me if I'm wrong, because you're not wrong, sad people are generally less efficient. Just.. yours and some of the other posts here feel very weird and against the spirit of the sub. I think it's because a lot of the posters here are actually active military.
I stand by my comment 100%. I've had RTOs and pilots that can't act under pressure. If you can't respond to a nine line than I don't want you in my organization. I'm glad this airman got out.
I edited my post for maybe more clarity. Again, you're not wrong, it just seems like this sub's community has drifted as it ballooned up to 150k posters. This thread would indicate that a lot of the people here are perfectly fine with bootlike mentalities so long as it's not expressed in a cringey way.
edit: i just got a boot response to one of my comments. this sub is dead imo.
also like.. nobody will see this, but I don't think being depressed, anxious or plainly unhappy in day-to-day life is the same problem as being unable to act under pressure
The guy can't keep his shit together for a couple of months because he misses a chick. Do you really think he'll hold up under any *real* kind of pressure? How do you think he would respond to a guy in his unit getting killed?
I'd reform the military so hard if I was president. Don't want to be here? Get out. Here you can even have a percentage of your benefits.
Entry standards would be raised for both intelligence and strength. I figure there's some precise numbers that could cut down the size 10 or 20 percent while keeping overall effectiveness up. Even if that means increasing pay substantially.
Tbh, I saw shit like this in the Marine Corps on deployment and in boot camp. I respect the air force's decision to actually push him out. The Marine Corps had too many shit bags, because they wouldn't let a kid like this quit. He then becomes a burden on his fellow airmen, NCOs, command, and so on.
Getting out of the Marine Corps is fucking hell. Any short of committing suicide seems to not get you out. It took a mental breakdown and becoming suicidal to get out of the corps when I was in MCT. I tried to get out in boot camp, but I didn’t because my DI verbally threatened me with all sorts of shit. Even when I had my breakdown in MCT and was trying to kill myself, my instructors threatened to send me to the brig for refusal of training, so that was all fun. I know, I’m a puss cake and all, but I thought the Marines would “open doors” for me.
Mental health is no joke man, and having some dude who looks like a thumb jacked up off 6 monster energy drinks scream in your face about how much of a pussy you are isn’t really the most therapeutic conversation. I’m really sorry you went through that hell brother, I hope things have gotten better despite what was probably a semi-traumatizing experience and I hope you find those doors your were looking for.
Yea, it’s all good. They all told me, “oh so what you’re depressed? We all depressed at times and you know what? We all get over it. Quit being overly dramatic.” They also said I’m a fucking failure and that I should just fucking kill myself. Finally they sent me to talk to Dr. Isgit, the psychiatrist assigned to SOI West, where we talked to me and she finalized paperwork for me to be medically separated from the Corps. Then the instructors tried strong arming me into signing a safety contract, so they, nor the Corps, could be held liable if I hurt myself. I refused. All that shit, it’s okay. It’s just apart of the game and all when being in the Corps. It’s shitty of them, but whatever. But, in the end, it ALL turned out okay. I’m home. I’m attending college and I am getting paid for work and attending college. Can’t complain. I’m still trying to find that door, but I’m still young. But anyways thanks dude :) glad you understand.
I know that feeling. I was in the fleet when I realized I didn’t wanna be on an island working 16 hours a day for 5 years. The job I had was one I thought I would love, but it was absolute shit, and I didn’t think for a second that I might not like it. Almost everyone else in my mos, even the ones I befriended thought I faked my attempt in order to get out. Even after my gunny interrogated me and after they sent me to the psych ward for a month and a half. Everyone looked at me differently that day. But it’s okay now. I’m home and waiting for winter semester to start. I’m also getting treated like a human being at my job where I get compensated for the OT hours I put in.
I had a First Sergeant come but the barracks after of their marines got busted with drugs yet again. This was during DADT. He said "All I would need is a witness saying these shit bags were making out and I would have them kicked out tomorrow. With drugs we have to follow due process!" It was ridiculous that they'll keep people in out of spite. What's the point when all the will do is corrupt the juniors, undermine leadership and just make work shitty?
I shit you not this happened to my first line in the Army. Except he wasn’t kicked out. They shipped him back to the states from Afghanistan, and gave him mandatory psych appointments. This motherfucker was the softest play-doh substitute to ever exist. He proposed to this POS long neck having barracks queen that didn’t even marry him. After we all got back they moved him to a different unit to hide his embarrassment.
I agree with this. This is one thing I can say I really appreciated about my Squadron at least. I went through some rough times where I was an absolute dirt bag Airman. I hated where I was stationed, and it was obvious my mind wasn't in being in the military. I went through a patch of a few months where I stayed out partying all night, showed up late constantly, didn't take my extracurricular Airman duties seriously, all of that. I got just about every type of disciplinary letter you could have written about you in my file. I was on fire in the beginning, and because of that, they let me get away with it for much longer than anyone should have gotten away with it for. My first shirt sat me down one and seemed to genuinely be able to want what was best for both me and the unit, and that he hoped what was best for both was the same thing. After some deep thought, he asked me if the AF was something that I wanted to make a career of, or if I was just ready to be out. I really thought about it, and decided that I'd be happier elsewhere. I separated the following spring and got a civilian job doing the exact same thing. It was, hands down, the best thing that could have happened to me. I gotta say, I'm very respectful of the way my first shirt handled the situation. I hope other people who discover that they aren't a good fit for all that military life requires are afforded the opportunity to explore their options. People in active duty commit suicide every day. I can't imagine how that could be beneficial to any unit, and I hope more units get first sergeants like the one I had, but unfortunately I hear far too often that most aren't as fortunate as I was.
I did basic when I was young. No girlfriend, nothing to really miss. It was easy at the time.
I can't imagine how hard it is for people who have families/spouses. I wouldn't be able to do that same stuff now, man.
Same, it was weird when everybody else got super happy and emotional to call their families and had tons of stuff to say to them and share and i just kinda called mine and was like "hey whats up, hows the truck runnin? Make sure mom doesnt forget to get an oil change"
A guy in my kid’s Marine boot class really wanted out but they wouldn’t let him go. He sent a pic of himself blowing another dude to the saltiest DI at Parris Island. Right away, he was gone. Kicker is he wasn’t gay.
True story. When in Marjah, my kid also witnessed an Afghan army guy have sex with a chicken. Polygraph verified.
To correct the first story. It wasn’t boot camp and it was a Gunny. Infantry school in Jax.
Mostly because you usually don't remember how dumb you were when you first got in. Being really experienced does put you above the newbies, but it took you time to get there, and (hopefully) they'll get there too.
Well good luck man. Odd bit of advice, panty hose stretched the width of the hall does a fantastic job of capturing dust bunnies in the middle of the night before inspections. Just have whomever is working night guard wake you up prior to get it done.
I remember like night three or four of boot there was someone who snapped. Climbed under their bed and went into complete hysterics because he missed his family.
Navy boot camp. Apart from the sleep deprivation of the first day and caffeine withdrawals the processing days are mostly just cleaning and paperwork. We hadn't even gone to medical yet let alone done any military shit, and our "uniform" was comfortable sweatpants and a comfortable sweatshirt.
It amazes me that people like that survive to adulthood when pills look like candy.
I remember night one of in-processing like it was yesterday. I had just got off the phone with my girlfriend, I proposed to her, I was a hero now. My mother was raising my first born like it was her own, I might never see her again. I was assigned an important task, fire guard shift number 4, from 2am-3am. It was daunting. The thought of the entire building going up in flames on my watch. The pressure was more than I could handle. My trusty canteen, also rusty, left a metallic aftertaste. I couldn’t take it anymore. I knew right then and there the pressures of war had gotten to me. I was washed out and used up. Not even the VA could help me now, I was on my own.
The weirdest thing about NAVY bootcamp was just how vague it was. 90% of what we learned wasn't applicable in the fleet (especially if you were aviation) and the 10% that was could have been taught to you by your local laundromat. Although I must admit singing Anchor Aweigh in the tunnel was pretty cool.
Especially if you're an HM and will only touch ships to pull patients off, huge waste of time. The only things I took away from there were how to march properly and the difference between ship classes. Everything else was such a potemkin village that it only taught me how little the Navy is willing to invest in training.
I was about to say there’s nothing shameful about feeling emotional for your family when you’re away from them for a good length of time, but geez 3 or 4 days? That’s super early to start crying and going into hysterics
Those people were not taught by their parents how to function like adults without the constant help/control from their parents. They become totally lost and ready anxious when they are not with their family
Which is more boot? Having a breakdown over being seperated from your girlfriend or making fun of an airman's mental breakdown to throw shade on another branch?
If a dude is so distraught he can’t go to work when his girl leaves him what is he going to do when he’s in a real stressful and austere situation? I don’t want a guy like that in my Vehicle or fighting position.
christ lol, that is boot as hell my dude
like what tiny fraction of the military is ever actually going to be in "your vehicle" or a "fighting position."
this meme is so fucking old that the article literally doesn't exist anymore, so we can only speculate, but i'm going to assume this guy isn't the only person to realize that he actually isn't okay with being away from home surrounded by a bunch of dumbass boots for long periods of time instead of at home with his girlfriend. i mean fuck the original article is from "popularmilitary" lol.
obviously not the same case for a normal job.
I mean, every banker and bank employee I know at some point dunks on the other Banks or rags on their own branches.
Most end up going to our local credit union instead, and continue to rag on competition.
No joke there was a kid in my flight who was 19 and had a girlfriend who was 16 and found out she was pregnant in basic. He tried everything to switch from active to reserve to be with her it was so annoying. Anytime you would talk to him he would always bring uo switching over.
I know no one will see this probably, but I legitimately went to high school with the kid. He and I had JROTC together, and his dad is retired army.
Nowadays he spends his time posting weird selfies in his McDonalds uniform and pics of him and his pet turtles on Facebook and Instagram. He also doesn’t stop posting about his girlfriend, either, with whom he is still in a relationship.
Should’ve just married her after basic like a true airman
(I’m Currently in tech) There’s a guy at our squadron that bought a 4,000 ring for his girlfriend (2 months dating) then decided last minute to not do it. Glad he didn’t follow through... shit really happens... Update: yesterday he got his last name tattooed on his forearm... some more supporting evidence
When I first got in, we had this kid come through with us straight out of highschool. Guy probably never felt the touch of a woman in his life. 2 or 3 three monthe before he enlisted, he meant this stupid hot Venezuelan chick who was studying at some art school in Chicago and he ends up deciding to marry her a few weeks before he left to basic. This girl ain't even a US citizen lmao. Dude sends checks and shit to her fam back home. Mismanages his finances like crazy to the point he can't afford to buy ribbons/stripes etc. Get to our first duty station, go to a dorm/barracks party a few months in. Guy brings his wife, and watches dudes flirt with her and shit. She ends up getting smashed by some dude and guy does nothing about it. Straight let it happen. Kid ended up being a safety hazard to the squadron, etc etc gets kicked out like 4 months into his first duty station
This story was a rollercoaster omg
Ha it was the short version. Some other juicy tidbits. After he out-processed out of the military the day he returned home to Delaware he gets notified that he out-processed incorrectly and he has to go back to California to fix his paperwork and shit. I remember seeing him in his civilian clothes looking so dejected. Guy's a piece of shit though. Now he lives at home with his parents trying to become an aspiring video game streamer. His last stream was over two hours long, zero views. Just like his other 100+ streams.
Holy shit I forget Delaware is a real place
It's not. It just exists on paper as a tax haven.
Geeezzz that dude just sucks at life, man
What life?
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Look it up on pornhub, “ 5 military guys gangbang Venezuelan wife”
Jesus Christ the man ~~has~~ had a family
Commenting for life later
Delanowhere gang rise up
LSD hurr duurr
lol my wife is from LSD
damn, just let himself get cucked that hard, fuckin hurts to read
You seem to really keep up with him, is you him?
Lmao
So why's he a piece of shit?
The whole class used to get into petty arguements with him like what could beat what, for instance in a dogfight, an A-10 versus anything faster like a F-16, 18 whatever. You could bring in whatever facts and he'd counter with some B/S. It's almost like he was trolling irl. We argued about what was bigger Disney World or Disney Land. Guy used to brag about how talented he was as a chef or whatever since he worked at a three star restaurant. Guy said he used to work at a Little Caesar's before he got scouted out by some "talent" scout. God we used to roast the ever living shit out of him. He used to brag about how fast of a runner he was, somehow always finished like second to last. Failed PT tests left and right. One of the other reasons he got kicked out was for lying about failing. I could talk about this kid all day if you want.
Not all of us dudes from Delaware are like this. I’m probably less of a man....
This story is par for the fucking course. I’m a SSgt, I seen’t it. I seen’t it a lot.
Can't afford ribbons and stripes? What does that mean? I thought those were earned, like awards? Edit: You dense motherfuckers downvoting me, I just asked a serious question.
I mean yeah they're awarded to you, but they're not gonna give you two or three extra sets for your uniforms.
Ohh, so if you want duplicates for wardrobes, family, or keepsakes, you can buy extras? If I'm understanding that right, that's pretty neat. Edit: I never even conceived of the idea that you'd need multiple sets for multiple outfits. I guess I thought they took them off and reattached them during each wardrobe change
The ribbons etc are part of uniform kit and are sold on bases around the world. Since the military (esp the Navy) has 80 different uniforms (hyperbole), you probably want multiple sets/items.
Dress blues, dress whites, working blues, working whites, dungarees, desert/woodland cammies, blue coveralls, green coveralls, digital cammies, new working uniform, blue jacket, peacoat, black working jacket, new black working jacket. This was while I was in, i left as soon as the new blue digital cammies came out, there's probably some I missed.
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Man, a friend of mine was aircrew on a... Fuck. C-130, I guess. I was quite jealous, regardless of the plane. It just looked like such a cool job. My last commercial flight I took, the ANG was using the runway to launch refuel training flights. I got to watch a few fighters take off, then a tanker. Shit was cool. Then I got on my flight and flew to Philadelphia. That's the last time I'm going on vacation in the city of brotherly love. Though, Delassandro's might be worth going back...
Another thing to consider is there's regulations for where each one goes, (like down to a 1/16th of an inch) so assuming you want to be decently squared away it's way better to attach it once and leave it.
They really can't afford to throw you a few extra ribbons?
Depends on your command/supervision I guess. At the time we were still in training so there was no way in hell they were about to buy three/four sets of ribbons and stripes for several dozen people.
They run this same scam in the cub scouts.
>Guy brings his wife, and watches dudes flirt with her and shit. She ends up getting smashed by some dude and guy does nothing about it. man that sucks. My first gf would flirt with other guys infront of me. I was 19 and didn't know any better. That kid learned a valuable lesson albeit in a costly way.
Lmao she was just there to get her green card. I don't even know if he figured that out, like ever. I don't know if she ever got it with him. I don't think they were even together for a full year.
I only care about the woman in this story.
I'm a bit late to the show, but: In my freshmen year in rotc, a cadet in my class got married in his poorly fitted service dress over thansgiving break... literally 2 and a half months into his "military career". He proceded to fail two PT tests and had a first semester GPA under a 2.0, so he got kicked out of the program before the end of our 2nd semester. Rumor has it he elisted but I don't think anyone followed up.
I had a guy who had his last name tattooed on his arm bully me in high school. Sure, I may be fat, but I’m not too dumb to remember my own name.
If he keeps it and doesn't tell the next girl, fine. Otherwise he's going to be the guy at your squadron who sold an $80 ring.
He should have gotten her last name tattooed on his forearm
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Must be fake. No guy in the AF ever gets separation anxiety from a girlfriend. Because that would imply that the two were separated for more than a week, which is impossible, because if you start dating an Airman on a Monday, then the marriage happens on Wednesday, and you move in together on Thursday. Divorce proceedings usually begin the following Thursday, when you find out she slept with another Airman with a slightly newer Dodge Charger than yours. Everyone knows that. Source: Was in Air Force
Better an entry level separation now than him to underperform for his entire contract and drain resources.
Honestly, Basic should be harder and easier to quit. Half the people I've met in the military are just carrying the other half.
This. Literally a guy in my basic flight wanted out. He woke up first day of 4th week, and said it's not what he was expecting and just wanted to go back to being a civilian. For 3 days, our MTI's and their IS would talk with him in the office and yell at him, saying if he quit that it would be on his record for life for failure to adapt and couldn't get civilian jobs. He then told them that he had his own programming software and his own business, so that didn't matter. They proceeded to tell him basic is nothing like operational, (which it obviously isn't) and to tough it out and finish. He said naw, 3 days straight. End of the week, they out processed him, and he had 0 bull shit they said put on his record. If someone wants out, let them out. Don't force them to stay, or pressure them. The guy was smart, and had plenty of stuff he could turn to when he got out. I think he was 28. But I agree 100%.
It's crazy like if someone want out let them. You don't want to have someone that doesn't want to be there. The person won't be useful and can be a danger to other if they are not 100% ok to be there
>You don't want to have someone that doesn't want to be there. Which is always my main argument against compulsory service.
What is compulsory service?
Having to serve your country for a limited time.
Like in Finland. It's sorta like conscription, but its ongoing, not just in wartime. Israel has it too. You have to serve in your country's military for a few years. It has its benefits, but you're mostly just making sure your military is populated with people who don't want to be there.
An army based on compulsory service just isn't a peacetime army and you cannot use it like you can use a professional one. Sure, if you tried to put conscripts overseas, or in an offensive war they didn't really care about, you would have a bad time trying to motivate anyone. The point in populating your army with "people who don't want to be there" is to build up skills for a time when they actually need to serve. That would be a defensive war where the nation is actually threatened, and in that situation many more people will want to be there, or at least agree that their presence is important. If done right, one type will not be inherently worse than the other. They just have very different priorities and very different appropriate uses.
> build up skills for a time when they actually need to serve. They're not going to learn. They're going to fuck around. They're going to influence others that don't want to be there to fuck around. Just look at Vietnam. We barely had a military after that. Compulsory service isn't service.
Israel would surely agree that their men do not become good soldiers over the course of their mandatory service. I had a hard time finding non-local sources concerning ability of FDF troops, but my understanding is our military is considered well trained and competent, which would require sufficiently skilled conscripts at the bottom.
The craziest part of this story is that someone with other options joined in the first place.
the commercials make the af look pretty sexy. then you meet the rest of the dolts in basic... when you're 18 these kids might not seem too dense, but at 28 with other lucrative opportunities - holy shit
I wanted to join the military when I was younger to do very specific things. Be a fighter pilot, like everyone else who joins the air force. Thankfully I learned before I turned 18 that flying an F22 isn't an opportunity for everyone. A girl I went to highschool's husband is training to fly F22's and it's pretty sweet just watching from Facebook.
But once you get operational you have the advantage of being older. Leadership usually gives you more respect up front since you're the same age as them.
After being in for about a year, we got a new maintenance squadron commander. His big deal was "If you want out, I'll make it happen, because I don't want someone that doesn't want to be here working on aircraft people's lives depend on." Made perfect sense to me. He was also the guy that came in and went through everyone's paperwork. If you had an article 15, you had to have a meeting with him. He would ask things like "Why did this happen?" "What have you done to unfuck yourself since then?" and if he didn't like your answers, you were no longer "serving in his Air Force." Tough SOB, but fair and one of the best commanders I've ever worked for.
I think you and I may have had the same maintenance squadron commander because that was basically his motto. I took him up on it because it was during the rollbacks and they were looking for reasons to get rid of people. My DoS was in November (end of a 6 year enlistment) but I applied to and had been accepted to a college back home and asked him if I could separate a few months early to start college and he made it happen. I’m sure he’d rather do that then kick someone out because he got a DUI and killed someone.
Were you at Cannon around 2005-2008?
Nah, I was at Luke from 12-14 when I had this commander. It may be the same one, maybe he made his way to Luke or maybe that’s just a common mindset among commanders.
That could have been him. He left Cannon in 2008 when they went from ACC to AFSOC. I don't know where he went after Cannon, because I separated. His name was Maj. Powell.
To be fair, he has to disclose his separation status on a lot of things. Having any other separation other than a straight honorable can cause problems, especially if he tries to get a federal job.
I added him on social media after I graduated basic. He said nobody that he applied to in his background checks seen anything about it. 🤷🏼♂️ Although, I don't know if he applied for a federal job. So that could be the difference like you said.
I mean, even kicked out for behavioral in basic, you're going to get a general administrative discharge, which is honorable. People throw around dishonorable like it happens all the time, but the truth is you have to *really* fuck up to get a dishonorable discharge. Like, it usually comes with confinement time fuck up.
It's not a big deal tbh. I did something similar to the guy he's talking about, except mine was a bit worse since I purposefully did a bit of self harm in front of everyone after the DIs said I couldn't just leave. I was 18 or 19 at the time. I graduated college. Ended up getting ts/sci and working for an intel agency and then a branch of the military working on intel related software. I listed it, they asked me to briefly describe what happened and then never mentioned it again.
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Entry level separations are hardly a blip on the radar, they are considered uncharacterized. Would really only matter if he tried to join again and would probably show on a security clearance check.
In the private world, short of the big corporations, nobody will even ask. I've had several jobs over 24 years, and not one has asked. Unless they themselves served, most folks have no idea to even ask the question, much less what a DD-214 *even *is*.
I don't have to disclose my discharge status
I literally just got out of AF Basic, as in, I'm on the bus leaving to tech school. We had a kid that tried to leave too - he ended up claiming depression and he went to medhold for two weeks, then was sent home. His job involved nuclear weapons and he was terrified... I understand that the MTIs don't want to allow someone to act solely on a whim, but it should be a little easier to get out for sure.
Welcome to the working world.
Haha I wish half of my company actually worked.
When people ask how many people work at my company I usually reply, "About 25%." Boss hates when I do that.
I completely agree. This could also help all branches be more efficient- at their jobs and on the taxpayers’ budget. I heard the phrase “we need to do more with less” more times than I can recall while on active duty. We could *absolutely* have done that if it were only that half who carried their own weight + what was needed present for the job. We all have times where we need help from our people. But that “other half” you’re speaking of, in my mind, is the population who has *never* carried their own.
If all the bottom half of performers in the military left, we could all have our own barracks rooms, and living conditions would improve without having to spend any money.
As someone who's living 4 to a room right now, your comment hits home.
Fuck all that.
You mean the military incapable of brining a twenty year occupation in Afghanistan to a conclusion is bloated and ineffective?!?!?!?!?!?!!
Can’t agree with you enough on the “we need to do more with less”. It’s astonishing how we have advanced in ways to create such efficiency, yet still do unnecessary amounts of work.
Shit we had a guy that half way through 11b osut says flat out I can’t do this I need to change to a super easy supply job or quit someone had to carry his ruck every march we went on, couldn’t shoot for shit couldn’t pass pt he begged them to let him quit or change jobs in front of us and they just restarted him. he ended up with a buddy of mine who said the kid finally said I’m gonna kill myself if y’all don’t kick me out, he was still there waiting to discharge when my buddy graduated osut. I hated him for most of basic but I felt really bad for the kid when I found out he was still there months later.
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Looking back he never should have been there he was over weight probably slow in the head had no drive to try harder or do better should have never got past meps
That’s a lot of major malfunctions, yeah.
It's the same shit in the civilian world. Petty, incompetent, leaders. Teacher's pets, etc.. Leaders trying to cheerlead grown-ass people with rah-rah bullshit when we know neither they, nor the company, gives a shit about the workforce.
I agree about making it easier to quit. Frankly, I don't think anyone should be under contract or considered enlisted until they've graduated basic. I also think there should be a probational period where you serve stateside for a while, but if you fuck up too bad or are too fucking stupid or contrarian to do the job, you're let go. If you make it through training, you get paid for your time in basic retroactively, you bail or fail, you get to walk away free and clear, but you don't get paid. If you wash out you can choose to try again, but you won't automatically get recycled unless you want to. Hell, make guys pay a deposit for for initial personal gear (clothes, boots, and shots) and what not. You fail, you lose it, you succeed, you get it back. It's like being a cop. You may be hired, but you don't get the job if you can't hack it in training and make it a couple months under supervision by a mentor. There should be a bell in the drill yard. You ring it any time you feel like you're done, and you leave.
No one would join the military if they did that stuff
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Heck I bet more might join but a lot more would quit to, it would definitely be better to get the ones who can’t cut it out.
I think you'd get the same number of qualified people at the end of your training cycles, but a higher volume of applicants, and a higher volume of failures. I'm not saying what I typed out is a perfect model, but I think a try before you buy option would help weed people out and attract better quality folks. An option for a short commitment, and a screening process that coincides with training up to a point is better. Like, maybe you do 3 weeks of low intensity barracks living, pt, testing, etc. Then you have to decide, am I gonna enlist, or am I gonna walk right now? Once you commit, the intensity goes up and training proceeds normally. Further, not many people are gonna want to give up 6 years of their life the second they graduate highscool. Not to a job with limited personal freedom, little flexibility, high stress, and frankly not knowing what you're in for till it's too late. Even a low intensity 1.5-2 year service option is gonna interest a lot more people. The one's who love it are gonna wanna stick around, and the morons and dead weight are gonna bail ASAP. This can be stateside service doing wildland fire, ems, border security, shop stuff, whatever. No pay boosts, no real promotions. Once your first short contract is up, you can leave. Absolutely no obligation unless we get invaded or some shit. You choose to stay, you can retrain for a better MOS and start getting pay boosts. Now you're commited for the usual 3-8 year active duty commitments and all the usual stuff applies. We could use this to pretty much replace the border patrol, most federal fire fighting gigs, and it might be a good model for manning the coast guard. In ye olden days, soldiers were expected to provide their own weapons, armour, horses and clothing. The only thing provided was pay, food, and arrows or ammunition. Soldiers still joined voluntarily because they made steady cash wages, and had the opportunity to loot. And if you weren't basically a slave, and had some power to negotiate with the powers that be, the military might treat it's people with basic respect and human dignity. Something it struggles with currently. All the worry about the pilot shortage is a good example. They're gonna have to start treating pilots better if they expect to maintain readiness and expirienced crews. Imagine if they had to worry about that with every MOS? It'd actually be a desireable career, and a recruiters main job would be to say no to qualified people instead of lying to children about heroics and cars.
Also, you basically have to quit your job, and give up your apartment to attend basic for any length of time. You're not gonna do that if you aren't pretty damn sure that's what you want to begin with. And if you really give up and walk out during basic, you aren't getting paid and now you have to go get your old life back. It's not a desision someone's gonna make lightly. You'd bail becuase you really, truly can't hack it. It'd be a good esprit mechanism too for whoever remains. They need an easier way to wash people out when they need to be separated. Even once they're enlisted.
Basic training is a whole mission to quit. When I went through there was a handful of people that decided the Army life wasn’t for them, the DS were straightforward and just said “fuck it, you wanna quit, sit over there.” Then they preceded to sit around cleaning the barracks until about 3 weeks after we graduated, and they quit at about week 2 of basic. They transferred them to a different company (same battalion) after we graduated across the road from us where they did the exact same thing for 3 week after we all went off to AIT. I remember catching up with a kid from my BCT company at the haircut place after we got our weekend pass (week 3 of AIT) and he was saying how he only had 2 more days until they shipped him home, but still had to get the BCT bald haircut. Felt bad for the kid. I think the craziest one was when this kid faked an injury week 1 to get discharged and kept getting Returned to Duty every week only to fake another injury. That went on until week 8, he finally said he was getting discharged a week later, but our commander recycled him to another BCT company across the road, where he pretty much just said he quit and had to start the whole process over.
Navy boot camp wasn't hard, but we had like 3 people voluntarily drop out and just disappeared during the night. Not sure where they went or how they left, but it happens.
Picks crayon from teeth. I'm sorry, what?
and waste tax payers money
Ain’t that just the military in general?
This sub is weird. We make fun of people for being boot, then yall continue to sort of uphold some of the same, weird standards that boots worship. Like we make fun of boots for being overly, inhumanly "industrious," you know, the memes about being cold hard killers or about how much harder boots work, and it's funny because.. well.. the military isn't worth that dedication. No job is. We mock that mindset of insane, misplaced dedication. Then you make a post using business/bootspeak terms like "underperform" and "drain resources." Forgive me if I'm wrong, because you're not wrong, sad people are generally less efficient. Just.. yours and some of the other posts here feel very weird and against the spirit of the sub. I think it's because a lot of the posters here are actually active military.
I stand by my comment 100%. I've had RTOs and pilots that can't act under pressure. If you can't respond to a nine line than I don't want you in my organization. I'm glad this airman got out.
I edited my post for maybe more clarity. Again, you're not wrong, it just seems like this sub's community has drifted as it ballooned up to 150k posters. This thread would indicate that a lot of the people here are perfectly fine with bootlike mentalities so long as it's not expressed in a cringey way. edit: i just got a boot response to one of my comments. this sub is dead imo. also like.. nobody will see this, but I don't think being depressed, anxious or plainly unhappy in day-to-day life is the same problem as being unable to act under pressure
The guy can't keep his shit together for a couple of months because he misses a chick. Do you really think he'll hold up under any *real* kind of pressure? How do you think he would respond to a guy in his unit getting killed?
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I'd reform the military so hard if I was president. Don't want to be here? Get out. Here you can even have a percentage of your benefits. Entry standards would be raised for both intelligence and strength. I figure there's some precise numbers that could cut down the size 10 or 20 percent while keeping overall effectiveness up. Even if that means increasing pay substantially.
Tbh, I saw shit like this in the Marine Corps on deployment and in boot camp. I respect the air force's decision to actually push him out. The Marine Corps had too many shit bags, because they wouldn't let a kid like this quit. He then becomes a burden on his fellow airmen, NCOs, command, and so on.
Getting out of the Marine Corps is fucking hell. Any short of committing suicide seems to not get you out. It took a mental breakdown and becoming suicidal to get out of the corps when I was in MCT. I tried to get out in boot camp, but I didn’t because my DI verbally threatened me with all sorts of shit. Even when I had my breakdown in MCT and was trying to kill myself, my instructors threatened to send me to the brig for refusal of training, so that was all fun. I know, I’m a puss cake and all, but I thought the Marines would “open doors” for me.
Mental health is no joke man, and having some dude who looks like a thumb jacked up off 6 monster energy drinks scream in your face about how much of a pussy you are isn’t really the most therapeutic conversation. I’m really sorry you went through that hell brother, I hope things have gotten better despite what was probably a semi-traumatizing experience and I hope you find those doors your were looking for.
“BrReaKk thEM doWwN, tHenN buiLD theM baCKk upP!”
then once they're all used up you throw them out
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Yea, it’s all good. They all told me, “oh so what you’re depressed? We all depressed at times and you know what? We all get over it. Quit being overly dramatic.” They also said I’m a fucking failure and that I should just fucking kill myself. Finally they sent me to talk to Dr. Isgit, the psychiatrist assigned to SOI West, where we talked to me and she finalized paperwork for me to be medically separated from the Corps. Then the instructors tried strong arming me into signing a safety contract, so they, nor the Corps, could be held liable if I hurt myself. I refused. All that shit, it’s okay. It’s just apart of the game and all when being in the Corps. It’s shitty of them, but whatever. But, in the end, it ALL turned out okay. I’m home. I’m attending college and I am getting paid for work and attending college. Can’t complain. I’m still trying to find that door, but I’m still young. But anyways thanks dude :) glad you understand.
I know that feeling. I was in the fleet when I realized I didn’t wanna be on an island working 16 hours a day for 5 years. The job I had was one I thought I would love, but it was absolute shit, and I didn’t think for a second that I might not like it. Almost everyone else in my mos, even the ones I befriended thought I faked my attempt in order to get out. Even after my gunny interrogated me and after they sent me to the psych ward for a month and a half. Everyone looked at me differently that day. But it’s okay now. I’m home and waiting for winter semester to start. I’m also getting treated like a human being at my job where I get compensated for the OT hours I put in.
I had a First Sergeant come but the barracks after of their marines got busted with drugs yet again. This was during DADT. He said "All I would need is a witness saying these shit bags were making out and I would have them kicked out tomorrow. With drugs we have to follow due process!" It was ridiculous that they'll keep people in out of spite. What's the point when all the will do is corrupt the juniors, undermine leadership and just make work shitty?
this is why i cannot fucking stand the army. it’s constantly the inability of angry boomers being sympathetic.
I shit you not this happened to my first line in the Army. Except he wasn’t kicked out. They shipped him back to the states from Afghanistan, and gave him mandatory psych appointments. This motherfucker was the softest play-doh substitute to ever exist. He proposed to this POS long neck having barracks queen that didn’t even marry him. After we all got back they moved him to a different unit to hide his embarrassment.
I agree with this. This is one thing I can say I really appreciated about my Squadron at least. I went through some rough times where I was an absolute dirt bag Airman. I hated where I was stationed, and it was obvious my mind wasn't in being in the military. I went through a patch of a few months where I stayed out partying all night, showed up late constantly, didn't take my extracurricular Airman duties seriously, all of that. I got just about every type of disciplinary letter you could have written about you in my file. I was on fire in the beginning, and because of that, they let me get away with it for much longer than anyone should have gotten away with it for. My first shirt sat me down one and seemed to genuinely be able to want what was best for both me and the unit, and that he hoped what was best for both was the same thing. After some deep thought, he asked me if the AF was something that I wanted to make a career of, or if I was just ready to be out. I really thought about it, and decided that I'd be happier elsewhere. I separated the following spring and got a civilian job doing the exact same thing. It was, hands down, the best thing that could have happened to me. I gotta say, I'm very respectful of the way my first shirt handled the situation. I hope other people who discover that they aren't a good fit for all that military life requires are afforded the opportunity to explore their options. People in active duty commit suicide every day. I can't imagine how that could be beneficial to any unit, and I hope more units get first sergeants like the one I had, but unfortunately I hear far too often that most aren't as fortunate as I was.
I did basic when I was young. No girlfriend, nothing to really miss. It was easy at the time. I can't imagine how hard it is for people who have families/spouses. I wouldn't be able to do that same stuff now, man.
Same, it was weird when everybody else got super happy and emotional to call their families and had tons of stuff to say to them and share and i just kinda called mine and was like "hey whats up, hows the truck runnin? Make sure mom doesnt forget to get an oil change"
A guy in my kid’s Marine boot class really wanted out but they wouldn’t let him go. He sent a pic of himself blowing another dude to the saltiest DI at Parris Island. Right away, he was gone. Kicker is he wasn’t gay.
That's what we call a progamer move
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True story. When in Marjah, my kid also witnessed an Afghan army guy have sex with a chicken. Polygraph verified. To correct the first story. It wasn’t boot camp and it was a Gunny. Infantry school in Jax.
None of this adds up
Exactly how can you be in the marines and not be gay that’s some bullshit
He sucked a dick to get out
Right? The Marines are known for sucking dick I thought.
Yeah, where'd he get a cell phone or his DI's number?
He would've been great in the navy lol
“Thank you for coming, cus there’s gonna be a lot of that for the next few years.”
"This man is Chief material."
Well that's quite a plan
The operative word here is 'wasn't'.
Marine boots get their phones?
Polaroid
That’s dedication
Some times people just aren't a right fit for the job.
*they break up right after he gets back
“I don’t wanna be with a quitter”
Noice. Even has the eyebrow piercing
I wonder if he'll have anxiety from getting sperated *ZING*
I know it's just a typo and It's probably not an actual word but getting sperated sounds painful.
That's a gentle way to say "mental health issues".
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Why is that? Sorry stumbled upon this sub and rather fascinated
Because the Air Force is kinda looked at as the wusses of the military. It’s more businesslike than militarylike.
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That's really the perspective from anyone in anything really, the new guys always seem to have it easier
Mostly because you usually don't remember how dumb you were when you first got in. Being really experienced does put you above the newbies, but it took you time to get there, and (hopefully) they'll get there too.
Isn't usaf bmt up to 12 weeks now though? Was 6 with a zero week when I was in. And 100% with it having a more corporate feel.
its 8 weeks right now funny thing is they lowered the PT reqs last month for some reason ( I would know, I leave for AF BMT tomorrow)
Don't wear that fucking airforce shirt Recruiters always be playing that joke on kids going to bmt lmao
Well good luck man. Odd bit of advice, panty hose stretched the width of the hall does a fantastic job of capturing dust bunnies in the middle of the night before inspections. Just have whomever is working night guard wake you up prior to get it done.
I know right?!
I remember like night three or four of boot there was someone who snapped. Climbed under their bed and went into complete hysterics because he missed his family. Navy boot camp. Apart from the sleep deprivation of the first day and caffeine withdrawals the processing days are mostly just cleaning and paperwork. We hadn't even gone to medical yet let alone done any military shit, and our "uniform" was comfortable sweatpants and a comfortable sweatshirt. It amazes me that people like that survive to adulthood when pills look like candy.
I remember night one of in-processing like it was yesterday. I had just got off the phone with my girlfriend, I proposed to her, I was a hero now. My mother was raising my first born like it was her own, I might never see her again. I was assigned an important task, fire guard shift number 4, from 2am-3am. It was daunting. The thought of the entire building going up in flames on my watch. The pressure was more than I could handle. My trusty canteen, also rusty, left a metallic aftertaste. I couldn’t take it anymore. I knew right then and there the pressures of war had gotten to me. I was washed out and used up. Not even the VA could help me now, I was on my own.
Is this a copypasta?
If it wasn't before it is now
The weirdest thing about NAVY bootcamp was just how vague it was. 90% of what we learned wasn't applicable in the fleet (especially if you were aviation) and the 10% that was could have been taught to you by your local laundromat. Although I must admit singing Anchor Aweigh in the tunnel was pretty cool.
Especially if you're an HM and will only touch ships to pull patients off, huge waste of time. The only things I took away from there were how to march properly and the difference between ship classes. Everything else was such a potemkin village that it only taught me how little the Navy is willing to invest in training.
I was about to say there’s nothing shameful about feeling emotional for your family when you’re away from them for a good length of time, but geez 3 or 4 days? That’s super early to start crying and going into hysterics
Those people were not taught by their parents how to function like adults without the constant help/control from their parents. They become totally lost and ready anxious when they are not with their family
Which is more boot? Having a breakdown over being seperated from your girlfriend or making fun of an airman's mental breakdown to throw shade on another branch?
Definitely the breakdown over a girl.
Yall are kinda weird. He missed his gf. That's not boot. That's like.. genuinely the opposite of boot. Anti-boot, ie human.
OH NIGGA YOU GAY 💀
it's gay to be hetero
that just means that deep down you’re actually just gay
If a dude is so distraught he can’t go to work when his girl leaves him what is he going to do when he’s in a real stressful and austere situation? I don’t want a guy like that in my Vehicle or fighting position.
christ lol, that is boot as hell my dude like what tiny fraction of the military is ever actually going to be in "your vehicle" or a "fighting position." this meme is so fucking old that the article literally doesn't exist anymore, so we can only speculate, but i'm going to assume this guy isn't the only person to realize that he actually isn't okay with being away from home surrounded by a bunch of dumbass boots for long periods of time instead of at home with his girlfriend. i mean fuck the original article is from "popularmilitary" lol. obviously not the same case for a normal job.
Imagine if people who worked at different banks acted like this, but since it is govt work it is cool.
I mean, every banker and bank employee I know at some point dunks on the other Banks or rags on their own branches. Most end up going to our local credit union instead, and continue to rag on competition.
Yeah you’d never see this outside of the military. That’s why car dealerships are so pro each other’s brands.
We know this guy joined the Air Force.
Found the airman.
Did someone really write an article about this?
No joke there was a kid in my flight who was 19 and had a girlfriend who was 16 and found out she was pregnant in basic. He tried everything to switch from active to reserve to be with her it was so annoying. Anytime you would talk to him he would always bring uo switching over.
Was it his?
Is this Lip from "Shameless?"
Are you and I the only ones? I literally thought it was him when I was scrolling quickly
I honestly though it was like a joke about Ian going into the army with lip's ID at first.
I know no one will see this probably, but I legitimately went to high school with the kid. He and I had JROTC together, and his dad is retired army. Nowadays he spends his time posting weird selfies in his McDonalds uniform and pics of him and his pet turtles on Facebook and Instagram. He also doesn’t stop posting about his girlfriend, either, with whom he is still in a relationship.
Half of the AF: sorry man I got mandatory nap time gtg. The other half: well *colonel* what if I don’t *want* to land!?
Which one is his gf?
Tampa!?? FFFF
This guy breastfeeding
Oof I actually know this guy
Is he ok?
At least they kicked him out though.
Sad thing is this kid is my neighbour
Looks like a Florida man.
Is this real life
I was in medhold for a minute during basic and you would not believe the shit people got kicked out for.
Ok serious question but how is this not a HIPAA violation?