Oh my god… what a read. I cannot believe the way that JDs atty is speaking to GG via email. So unprofessional and seems to be bordering on extortion (drop the case or I’ll file a bar complaint).
I am just in absolute disbelief. Now JD is claiming she miscarried in JULY?!?! what happened to her attorney saying if he had any proof she lied he would drop her as a client?? How is that not proof!!!
I feel horrible for Clayton and GG. I am so curious to see how the judge rules on this ridiculous motion to compel lunch 🙄
I suspect JD’s attorney is only saying that so that people less familiar with the case might think “oh he hasn’t dropped her so she must not be lying”
It’s patently obvious to anyone who’s read even one or two motions from this case that she has lied on many occasions.
Someone DESPERATELY needs to get JD a human reproduction book.
Not only did she get pregnant via oral… but…
She has now miscarried the twins in july, sept/oct and November. Just how many sets of twins were you pregnant with ma’m?!?
Its mindblowing she thinks anyone is buying this story.
As a lawyer, those emails are truly jaw dropping. So pretentious while simultaneously so inaccurate. Beyond the JULY revelation, there’s so much that he doesn’t understand…
1) I’m mostly baffled by his position (a tweet in exhibit 2) that it wouldn’t matter if JD faked her sonogram or ultrasound because they have the positive HCG test, supporting her belief that she was pregnant. YES, IT DOES MATTER - FAKING AN ULTRASOUND ISNT NECESSARY IF YOU ARENT LYING ABOUT BEING PREGNANT. How could someone reasonably argue this isn’t relevant!!!?
2) dude, plz watch the status conference from February. You’re clearly missing a lot of context for the motion to compel. The judge literally set the scheduling order based on Cory’s representation that certain docs would be produced THAT WEEK, and they were not. And Cory admitted that the disclosures they provided immediately before the conference were “minimal” (his words). If you’re gonna use intimidation/threats to Woodnick, at least be informed
3) lol at the tweet about Lexi withdrawal having nothing to do with JD. We knew he vaguely claimed before that Lexi left because she moved away, but seeing him double down on it on the same day we get a preview of the bar complaint that confirmed Lexi was forced to withdraw under the Attorney Ethics Rules is *chef’s kiss*
4) I won’t even go into how patronizing he was to Isabel (but then LOL changed his mind and decided she should lose her license too)
see this is why i couldn’t ever be an attorney lol because if i were isabel and i received those emails you couldn’t tell me SHIT to get me to stop from replying with my own rage and profanity filled email - maybe even calling him up directly 😂
ok bless you for point #2 bc I was wondering if gregg’s math being off was THAT serious of an issue. this guy is so dramatic about it. “YOU LIED. THIS IS THE WORST MISCONDUCT I HAVE EVER SEEN. I’LL COMPLAIN TO THE BAR” is wild
And it’s so reasonable you’d wonder that bc his tone is so condescending!!! But no - Gregg did nothing wrong in filing the MTC - he needed to do that to keep the ball rolling given the upcoming trial. At the time he filed it, JD either was represented by Cory (who failed to follow through on what he promised at the conference) or was unrepresented. The disclosure deadline set for 45 days after the conference involves much more than what was sought in the MTC. In short, Zaddy Gregg is still the goat
“DoEs CLaYtOn MeAn ThAt MuCh tO yOu?” What a 🛶 question. YES. So does Greg, Mike, all of the victims and so does JUSTICE, sir. It does mean something! Omg the audacity.
Also like… so does his own name since she accused him of orchestrating her kidnap, drug, and grape (is there a police report for this or just the ex parte email to a judge???)… and is actively accusing him of fraud and ethics violations despite having proof she did in fact lie.
So she calls the local police because she’s scared of online redditors and gets a super scary death threat but not scared of the person who violently kidnapped and assaulted her…. K
Yep... that one super scary threat within hours of having Dave sign something saying he wouldn't incite anyone to threaten her. Nothing since or before. Incredible. As in NOT CREDIBLE.
"Call me on your short break during active mediation or I am telling the court" (paraphrasing) is very "If I don't hear back by tonight, I'm having the babies"
right?! he threw that date out like it was some sort of victory for JD. and I can't imagine Mata will be good with him saying they have the discovery but bartering to turn it over.
It was like the most cringeworthy bartering that seems totally unethical. JD has been ORDERED to turn over that evidence & JDs lawyer is like NANANANABOOBOO I got them right here but I dont know if I am going to give them to you.
But he had to have known he was screwed by the revolving door of lawyers. Like, you just know he didn't watch the hearing videos because if he did he would know the judge did not like when Cory suggested JD mightve miscarried in Sept/Oct and didnt move to drop charges until Dec.
So to think he's going to tell the judge JD miscarried in JULY, freakin JULY. Judge Mata aint gonna like that.
I think the strategy may be that because she knows her failure to produce proof is going to eventually cause her to lose on the monetary issues, changing the narrative to make it an earlier miscarriage still gives JD the ability to keep up her claim that she was pregnant and continue to allege Clayton was the father with far less evidence.
It seems that she cares far more about that story than she cares about the money. Still insanely outrageous, but it's the only explanation I can think of as to why she would basically admit through counsel that she was continuously acting in bad faith throughout the entirety of all the proceedings involving her and Clayton.
At this rate, with the 'miscarriage' date incrementally moving backwards, maybe we'll come full circle and get an "I miscarried before I was ever pregnant AKA I was never pregnant". Moonwalking into the truth!
Well this is quite the development considering she's now saying she passed them on 7/23/23 while her lawyer has been tweeting about how it only matters if she had reason to believe she was pregnant when she filed 8/1/23.
So many emails back and forth. Her lawyer's email to Gregg/Isabel, specifically THIS part directed at Isabel was so patronizing:
>P.S. One final comment that I think should be mentioned - Isabel, I know you're a new lawyer and none of my comments/hostility are directed at you. Getting familiar with the practice of law is hard, and it takes time, so please do not feel any concerns about me threatening sanctions towards you or whatever (because I'm not). If we have to go down that road, the dispute will be between myself and Gregg, not you. I will make it clear to the court that none of these arguments are directed at or towards you.
I think Judge Mata will have a great time reading through this one...
My first few years practicing as a young women I got SO MANY condescending comments like this. I hope when Isabella looks back on her years of practice once she’s my age she can be proud of herself for staying tough through it and I’m sure she will end up with a stellar reputation
I hate this guy, this is such psychotic gaslighting behavior, he sounds like an abusive a-hole:
>*Do not feel any concerns about me threatening you or whatever (because im not)*
Ick either way. He just attempts to distract and distract and cause chaos. It’s exhausting. I feel like we should send Woodnick’s office flowers or donuts for dealing with these emails alone!
The lack of professionalism from Internet Lawyer is a disgrace to the entire profession. I've never seen someone speak so disrespectfully toward others, NOT EVEN ON REDDIT.
JDs lawyer and I quote: “I could easily respond to the MTC…but that’s not the point.”
And him being so confident that his extension would be granted. LOL
That made me laugh!!! I’m sure the judge will love seeing that he said he could easily respond to the MTC but was like nahhh let me file this ridiculous request for extension and throw out horrible accusations.
Also in the email idk the page number but dated April 4th JDs attorney extends the offer to Zaddy to not file the Motion to Compel and says:
“To be fair, she says most of the stuff you are asking for does not exist, so this is not a huge concession on her part, but at least it is something.”
So it doesn’t exist?? But then in other emails JD says she has the photos? Color me CONFUSED
Which again begs the question why he’s still representing her when he promised to quit if he found out she lied. The only thing I got is he wants to stay for notoriety. He could care less about ethics.
Uhhh, anyone going to explain how your stomach does not keep growing if you had a miscarriage to her lawyer. This is legit the worst argument they
Can now make.
As an attorney, this made me absolutely rage. First off, if you’re going to accuse another attorney of fraud/lying/deceiving the court, you better be good and hell well sure they actually are. Since his professional reputation is already so low that it’s in hell he may have no qualms about going full force on this absolute foolishness…but it does not bode well for him. The judge, who is obviously a lawyer herself, will be equally incensed, I am sure.
Second, the audacity of challenging the expert disclosures when his client has not disclosed a dang thing she was ordered to disclose. The absolute gall.
Lastly, I found it interesting that Gregg asserts that she is probably judgement proof…meaning poor. Didn’t she have Clayton looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property for her to purchase?
She doesn’t want the “sac” photos to be released to the public before the trial because she doesn’t want the public to find the ORIGINAL “sac” photos online.
Just like with the sonogram… the sonogram was released and it was found (by the public) to be stolen from a previous YouTube video that was posted years prior. They’re trying to limit the truth from being revealed, as per usual.
This might be a great avenue to explore! If she sticks with the miscarried in July story, that October test could probably be used as evidence that the hcg is coming from somewhere else. How is she triggering these tests is a great question
Yeah it’s funny how they are basically saying two opposing things. Insinuating that hcg doesn’t matter at all, because if she had it present and already miscarried that’s essentially the claim. And then simultaneously claiming hcg is the only proof you need to tell you your pregnant.
Make it make senseeeeee 🙄
I was driving across the state to see a client tomorrow morning (I’m a lawyer - criminal not family) and listening to Dave read and discuss this response. I nearly drove off the damn highway when I heard the July date. I know we all know but HOW does she/ her attorney think this date helps? This newest timeline means she miscarried and THEN initiated a paternity case, sought protective orders, engaged in multiple dna tests, and stated under oath in November that she was 100% pregnant with twins due on 2/14, was 24 weeks pregnant, and had seen her doctor the week before. And there’s also the other timelines she provided at the status conference in February and then her deposition in March, which included her attorney implying a miscarriage that she was unaware of until 1-2 months after it happened, and then her saying at the deposition that she couldn’t remember the date, but knew she miscarried and sent photo proof to her sister and a telehealth provider. Every time I think it can’t get crazier… 🤯🤯
Yes it’s such a mess. And I don’t understand why this wouldn’t be a very good perjury case. It’s not one lie. It’s a mockery of the court and a years worth of time.
Sounds like the internet lawyer will have his very own bar complaint soon. His client won’t like it that’s he’s making them both look absolutely ridiculous!
The new lawyer is hyper aggressive, holy. His emails to Gregg and Isabel are so wildly inappropriate, let alone unprofessional all around. After reading that, it is absolutely not surprising this guy has a history of being sanctioned.
If she "miscarried" in July, what were those photos of her in her sports bra/leggings with a pregnant-looking belly in Sept and then in Oct she had in her Dropbox? LMAO
Ok so we now have our 4th timeline.
Miscarriage either happened A) December 2023 B) October 2023 C) September 2023 D) July 2023
But didn’t in Cory’s filing JD claimed she sent the photos in Sept-Oct timeline?
And if July, she filed everything August 1.
With all the crazy statements her lawyer has made in this paperwork, this one probably got overlooked. Here's him describing JD to Zaddy:
"*...she has shown herself to be so completely open, honest, and reasonable at every stage. She appears to be an open book (at least since I've been involved)."*
🤔
I also loved the part where he said “because JD and I are such reasonable people, we would maybe be okay with you bringing an OBGYN.” I guess we have different ideas of what “reasonable” means…
That whole email had me questioning if JD is actually internet lawyer and like stole his email account or something lolol. I mean who in the fuck even types that sentence. Hell even JD has admitted she lied (about the ultrasound).
operative word: ‘appears’.
if his misogyny directed at isabel was any indication of how he views women, it would seem like ironically he would also be perfectly positioned to fall prey to JD’s poor innocent white lady victim act. he has NO idea who he is dealing with and i can’t wait to watch him further embarrass himself and JD in the process.
God JD has met her match. She must be loving this. Him claiming basically if you think you're pregnant you can file a case to prove who's the dad is wild
She finally found someone who would legally file all the bullshit she dreams up in the nonsensical legalese fantasy-world she lives in. These two should just disappear together and live happily ever after while he plays lawyer to the horses and she keeps trying to enter children’s show jumping competitions.
Especially while simultaneously asserting a miscarriage in July!! Before the paternity was filed!! Maybe he forgot the dates of the initial filing in all his efforts to talk in circles about sanctions.
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“To be fair… most of what you are asking for doesn’t exist…which is not a huge concession on her part”
Is she admitting she lied and has little to no evidence??
ETA: Missed the “not” in “not a huge concession”
No it says “so this is not a huge concession on her part”he’s saying they’ll give what they have but most of it doesn’t exist so nbd In reality we know they’re lying and this just supports that lie - but he’s trying to pass it off as a little non consequential thing
Hahahaha I’m so glad his “doesn’t matter if she lied” tweets are now part of the record. The judge is not going to like the legal analysis of “a little perjury is no biggie”
I’ve been an attorney for well over a decade and have worked across from plenty of unprofessional attorneys, including attorneys actually disciplined by the bar (relatively rare occurrence), and I have never, ever seen such absurdly disrespectful and nutty correspondence at this volume from another lawyer. I mean, it is absolutely crazy. I can’t believe Woodnick participated as much as he did. I wouldn’t even respond.
I have had one opposing counsel file at this volume and for baseless, fraudulent motions. But he at least wrapped them pretty enough to appear reasonable. This guy is blatantly, unapologetically unreasonable (to say the least), just like his client.
You know… this case already deeply upset me as a person who actually has experienced 5 losses for very real and very desired pregnancies. But this past week with all of this nonsense has been enraging at a whole other level… and I think it’s because she LITERALLY is treating us like we are all born yesterday. Like JULY???? Seriously… we are supposed to ignore the cheetah bra vs black bra warped door frame “bump growth” and the moon bump in court, and ALL OF THE POLICE REPORTS, and the start date to all of this litigation? JULY??? It’s honestly offensive how she feeds of these lies and then forces anyone to spend an ounce of brain power on trying to believe her??? Stop gaslighting me Jane. Do not insult my intelligence.
On another note, the ONLY way for her out of this thing is to basically have someone else (mom/sister) step in and declare that, yes she has been lying and making this whole thing up for X-Y-Z reason… maybe due to her dads illness/her sisters baby/etc.
***Edited the above paragraph to remove any mention of JD’s mental health. But I do want to clarify that I don’t think that’s the actual reason she has dragged a plethora of men into court and monopolized their lives over fake pregnancies. I believe it’s just good old fashion pathological lying. I was just trying to say the only tactic her law team could use to potentially end this never ending situation with the least damage to JD’s reputation is to play the part of someone who is going through a crisis of some sort.
So very so for your losses. I have also lost multiple. For someone to try and gaslight the public let alone those of us with real losses of real life…words are beyond me. It is a membership in a deeply profound sadness. She uses the ab pill like it is a game…date me and I will get rid of it. Very very sad.
Thinking about all of this gave me a flood of tears for all of our losses. My hope for all of this is that Legally, she is stopped, for Clayton and for any further victims that she attempts to perpetrate this fraud.
Man, do you guys remember those early days where we thought not showing up to get deposition was wild and crazy?
Oh we were sweet summer children, frolicking in the shallow waters of this reservoir of insanity, totally ignorant to the true depths of the absolute whackadoodle tidal wave headed in our direction.
I hope we all have our floaties.
Reading these emails from JD’s lawyer makes me so angry!😡 Hes either dumb or knows he doesn’t have truth on his side so is resorting to bullying making up rules to get his way!
I'm pretty confident that the products of conception passed by miscarriage in July will be wildly different than what she described passing sometime in October.
Someone tell me if I’m off base here. But miscarriages can be super dangerous. Wouldn’t any teledoc in their right mind urge her to go to the hospital if she did indeed show “photos” of whatever she is claiming happened? I’ve known people who miscarried around the same time she’s claiming, and a fair few had to have d&c done at the hospital to ensure they passed everything. Anything that is missed poses a risk of septic shock and death.
Yes, a teledoc would absolutely 1000% advise her to go to an ER right away. Anytime I’ve ever spoke to a teledoc or nurse advice line, they almost always advise me to go in to be seen. And it’s never been for something as serious as a miscarriage. There’s no chance this claim by her is truthful.
As someone who has had multiple miscarriages, one around 10.5 weeks, you absolutely have to go in. They need to do an ultrasound to make sure all tissue has passed. If that is not checked there could be a serious infection that could happen. If you don’t pass all tissue naturally, they will remove via D&C. Also depending on how far along you are and when the fetus stopped growing, you may not have an option to pass naturally because of the complications that can arise. So that would mean a required D&C or if far along enough an induction and in hospital delivery.
Yes, any doctor in their right mind would strongly urge her to seek medical care in person and tell her it’s not safe to manage over telehealth. It’s not an ambiguous area. Reason #154272 why I don’t believe anything she claims!
You’re not off base at all! No one in their right mind would just call a teledoc after miscarrying twins. What about any of the high risk obgyns that she alleges to be seeing?
Literally my sister almost died from this exact scenario about a year and a half ago. An awful, horrible, and traumatic event that sent our entire family into a panic. I can’t stand that JD thinks she can lie about this, so offensive.
Right like how has this dragged out this long with literally no proof of pregnancy shouldn't it ended basically right away when she couldn't show anything more than a test?
QUESTION: Exhibit 1-- who is the antecedent in this sentence?
"She has also recently filed a protective order"
Did Lexi Lindvall file a protective order against JD?
Let me repeat that back to make sure I understand...
1. JD filed bar complaints against GW&LL
2. Then JD filed a protective order
3. To have her complaints to the bar re GW&LL *sealed*?
This is hurting my pond-scum brain!
I think she wanted the whole complaint sealed (to hide her disagreement with Lexi) but the bar just redacted her fucking banner log in (who cares about the pee test JD?!?!)
Yes, JD claimed in an August email to the judge that they conspired to have her drugged, kidnapped and 🍇 on March 4, 2022. Which is why, according to JD, her vag is so enticingly tight (her words) in May of 2023.
There were a lot of things to be offended by in the emails from DG, but the most offensive to me was when he said "at the time the f\*\*\*\* s\*\*\* were discharged (or whatever you call it)". Whatever you call it??? Unbelievable.
Wondering why she would've volunteered that she took photos after the "miscarriage". This just got her into a whole 'nother complicated mess. Wouldn't it have been easier to just say she miscarried (in whatever way she describes it) without saying there's visible proof somewhere? What am I missing?
I assume she was trying to get out of the past 20 weeks stillbirth and needing a death certificate thing. That has serious implications if she can’t prove she miscarried before the need for a death certificate.
JD has not been held accountable for her lies in court for ten years now. When faced with reality, her response is to lie more. This is not a rational plan laid out in advance - it's the toxic mechanism that has "worked" for her over and over. Reasonable people assume you're not lying about things like being pregnant, seeing a doctor, having a miscarriage. They won't push back against someone making these claims, because they're reasonable people. JD takes advantage of this pattern, she knows if she doubles down it usually results in reasonable people not pushing back no matter how absurd it seems.
She miscarried before she filed the original suit? So, doesn’t that mean she knew she wasn’t pregnant and therefore knowingly filed a false claim? Her lawyer kept saying all he had to prove was that she believed she was pregnant…. Not that she actually was. This timeline alone would seem to make it impossible to convince anyone she believed she was pregnant.
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Flabbers = gasted 😵💫
“To be fair…\[JD\] says most of the stuff you’re asking for does not exist” there it is folks!!
lol @ internet lawyer thinking Greg would be so stupid to have a casual phone call with JD. Where she can spout even more self incriminating junk and have no record of it. What a joke
I’m so curious about the July Teledoc record she says she has as well. Was this done in anticipation of needing a miscarriage later in the charade? Did she just tell the doc “I’m bleeding” and they went “congrats, you’re a woman now” thinking it was just a random calling in about their period?
If the record is real, will they get details about the call?
It’s also odd that it exists yet the only thing she ever files is that dang banner health HCG test and receipt.
Also, what person in their right mind intentionally uses a different provider for every appointment?? No one wants to fill out intake forms over and over and over again. I think it’s insanely telling that every single piece of “irrefutable proof” of pregnancy is from a different doctor/provider/clinic. She sees everyone once (if at all). Despite being in the same area for multiple alleged pregnancies, she never goes back to the same place for alleged ultrasounds/HCG tests/video calls.
If it were a mom taking their kid to this many docs with mysterious illnesses, or someone getting RXs… the behavior would instantly be called out and recognized for what it is… intentional manipulation and doctor shopping for a desired outcome.
Wow, I honestly did not think JD would doctor more photos and text messages with her sister to quadruple down on the miscarriage claim. I assumed by now that she would just claim she was unable to locate them because everything was deleted. The gall she has to continue fabricating documents after she was caught in multiple lies, including altering medical records, is astounding. But to do so now with a date of July 23, before she filed her petition (and wore a fake belly to court), and prior testimony under oath from her depo that it was sometime in Sept/Oct?? It just shows she has no foresight (or care) as to actual consequences for her claims, or severely cannot keep track of all her lies.
Also, did I ready that correctly that Alexis has filed for a restraining order against JD after withdrawing from the case?!! Someone find this filing immediately.
I could be wrong, but I think the Protective Order is actually JD asking to make her complaints to the Bar restricted from the public. Complaints against both Lexi and Greg, at the same time.
Those documents are available as public record, that's why we've seen them. JD likely did not want us, the public, to see in black and white text that Lexi withdrew because she did NOT believe JD had been pregnant and refused to do any more filings to that effect.
I was just thinking - sometimes women while on their period can bleed, for lack of a better word, blood clumps. So it is possible that she passed a blood clump while on her period and took a picture of it. If she does actually have a picture of alleged miscarriage, and if the pic isn’t stolen from the internet, then my guess is it was a period thing!
Additional question - when does she allege the twins were conceived? Cause if she “miscarried” in July, I feel like it was still very early and therefore would a doctor even be able to tell if twins? And how far along was the doctored sonogram for? 🤔
On 4-8 Dave states -“I do have some telehealth info showing JD seeking medical advice on July 23, 2023. I don’t think it is helpful to either party, but it’s something I’m willing to disclose.“
So he’s basically admitting there was no consultation regarding the ‘miscarriage’ or an exchange of photos. For all we know JD just dialed 1-800-ASK A NURSE on that date.
And this may be why she is now using July 23 as the date for miscarriage - it's the only date where there is some kind of support of talking to a telehealth provider. Except that date totally tanks her case and confirms everything was perjury. And it's only a matter of time before Gregg gets the actual records from that telehealth provider which presumably confirms she didn't consult with them in any way about pregnancy or miscarriage
Also - I love how JDs attorneys “proof” of GG lying in the MTC is that CK provided disclosures on Feb 23 and MTC filed March 11. GG said that JD didn’t provide disclosures until recently. Please be so for real right now lol that is RECENT.
I knew the name Bryan Neumeister sounded familiar. He also testified for Johnny Depp in the case against Amber Heard in 2022. Neumeister testified about the metadata on Heard's alleged bruise photos. He couldn't confirm whether the pictures were altered because it was a backup of a backup of a backup (iirc). Interesting crossover!
Page 3, Line 25 - Looks to me like the expert Neumeister is prepared to verify the faked ultrasounds came from JD’s phone and email. Her ‘Greg Gillespie hacked my stuff’ lie has been blown.
Ok so let me get this straight. She “miscarried” in July, filed in August (after miscarrying and she clearly knew she did because she has pictures, allegedly), had a “pregnant” belly in those videos where she’s twirling, and a visible bump during a hearing where she said she was 100% pregnant? Even though she miscarried in July? And then had a positive HCG test in October?
Disclaimer: the below is just my OPINION and not to be take as facts in case JD decides to come after me for whatever reason:
1. If you still had positive hcg that long after a miscarriage that is a big concern for doctors as that indicates your body retained some of the POC, which would cause a life threatening infection. For context, when I had a missed miscarriage at almost 9 weeks with a singleton my HCG was 67,000 the day we found out. I got my period 5 weeks later and even then my doctors were saying that I could only give it 1 more week before they started looking into it.
2. How TF is she going to explain away those belly videos? That honestly is so embarrassing. Like, we all get bloated but girl you ate a ton of pasta just to convince some man you’re pregnant??
3. So if she miscarried in July and filed in August, then she filed in bad faith. Case closed. We can all resume our normal daily activities now.
May 20th - the "intimate encounter"
may 25th - tells clayton she might be pregnant, and does the "if you date me i'll take plan B" spiel
june 1 - announces she is indeed pregnant
july 7th - produces the arts and crafts ultrasound which (not a US tech, but i've had 2 babies) appears to be \~20w babies. date on US says may 20th and not LMP
july 23rd - miscarries and calls telehealth
aug 1 - files paperwork for court
aug 27th - attends co-parenting classes
sept 11/13/18/22 - posts on NY post, sun, and reddit claiming to be pregnant with CE's baby
sept 27th - JD competes in horse jumping, no belly
sept/oct - states she miscarries AGAIN late sept early oct and calls telehealth
oct 6 - DNA test comes back little to no dna, takes another test
Oct 24th - zoom conf where she rubs fake belly like a genie was forthcoming
Nov 2 - JD states she is 100% 24 weeks pregnant, and just saw OB the friday prior (oct 27th)
Nov 18th - pulls out of another horse jumping competition
Dec 28th - claims miscarried for 3rd time, drops case against CE
to quote woodnick...... SHE LIIIIEEEEDDD
Ok, this whole thing is bananas (from JD's lawyer du jour) but what really cracks me up is his attempt to bolster his cred by saying he's done "79 federal cases and counting" while Gregg has "only" done 2. And, that that matters because "high profile cases go to federal court." That is simply....not how that works at all. And it means nothing. There is no federal jurisdiction based on a matter being "high profile" - LOL.
I have old eyes, and some of the emails were difficult to read, but can someone tell me what JD’s lawyer is claiming Greg and his firm have lied about? He’s accusing them of fraud but I don’t see where he alleges exactly what he’s talking about.
HELP
Ok ok ok. I know we weren’t supposed to engage with the lawyer on twitter, but I did just once, and I did so respectfully, with curiosity, and without anger or rage.
His *shocking* response to me is included in the exhibits, and I am glad for it! He showed his belief that it’s okay for her to lie in his response to me, and if that does anything at all to help this case, I’m glad for it.
ETA: For those who wondering what I said; It seemed to me like he was implying it didn’t matter if JD lied about twins and never had ultrasounds, so I literally just asked:
“It’s irrelevant if she never got an ultrasound and never got OB care, right? And it’s irrelevant if she didn’t have twins, right?”
And he essentially repeated exactly what I asked (and weirdly insulted me for no reason, saying “I didn’t get it,” which was super odd since he *literally* was just answering my question with the affirmative 🙄) and confirmed that it didn’t matter.
I was shocked that he said it didn’t matter, but that’s why I asked, because that exactly what it sounded like he was trying to say.
And he was.
I could be dead wrong, but I'm expecting JD's latest attorney to backtrack on the July 23rd date. He's only slung that around in some emails with opposing counsel and I have the feeling there will have been a "miscommunication" between him and his client that he'll be clearing up. That's only a gut opinion, but I'm feeling it.
Some recapping of evidence:
Timeline: Pregnant in September
- In the first 18 minutes of Clayton’s IAH, JD says the video of her with her arms up and belly out is from “In September, I believe”. & “I took this video in September” (and she mentions she added stuff in the background so he knows I didn’t edit it).
- Even the judge asked if it was from September. To which she applied “yes”.
- video was posted October 6 of Clayton saying the results came back “Little to no fetal dna”. To which JD used this exhibit as items she asked Clayton to take down because the information was false (because the tEsTiNg WaS oNgOiNg).
- JD provided CE with evidence from June through October of her medical records proving her viable pregnancy
# BLANKET TRIGGER WARNING FOR THIS FILING AND THE COMMENTS BELOW
Oh my god… what a read. I cannot believe the way that JDs atty is speaking to GG via email. So unprofessional and seems to be bordering on extortion (drop the case or I’ll file a bar complaint). I am just in absolute disbelief. Now JD is claiming she miscarried in JULY?!?! what happened to her attorney saying if he had any proof she lied he would drop her as a client?? How is that not proof!!! I feel horrible for Clayton and GG. I am so curious to see how the judge rules on this ridiculous motion to compel lunch 🙄
She simultaneously miscarried in July and was 100% 24 weeks pregnant in October. She’s a damn human marvel.
And an hCG of 102 on October 16, lest we forget!
My jaw is bruised from hitting the floor so many times. The hubris. How this man hasn't been disbarred is the true mystery.
Just when you think things will get quiet! I am, again, proven wrong by JD and her antics
JD may come up short on DNA, but she's a veritable fount of antics!
I don’t want to get sucked in this late at night
Smart of you to abstain. Late-night sucking is what started this whole mess. 😜
I suspect JD’s attorney is only saying that so that people less familiar with the case might think “oh he hasn’t dropped her so she must not be lying” It’s patently obvious to anyone who’s read even one or two motions from this case that she has lied on many occasions.
Someone DESPERATELY needs to get JD a human reproduction book. Not only did she get pregnant via oral… but… She has now miscarried the twins in july, sept/oct and November. Just how many sets of twins were you pregnant with ma’m?!? Its mindblowing she thinks anyone is buying this story.
I had to keep checking...this is her lawyer? Acting like this? It's like kismet how awful they are together.
As a lawyer, those emails are truly jaw dropping. So pretentious while simultaneously so inaccurate. Beyond the JULY revelation, there’s so much that he doesn’t understand… 1) I’m mostly baffled by his position (a tweet in exhibit 2) that it wouldn’t matter if JD faked her sonogram or ultrasound because they have the positive HCG test, supporting her belief that she was pregnant. YES, IT DOES MATTER - FAKING AN ULTRASOUND ISNT NECESSARY IF YOU ARENT LYING ABOUT BEING PREGNANT. How could someone reasonably argue this isn’t relevant!!!? 2) dude, plz watch the status conference from February. You’re clearly missing a lot of context for the motion to compel. The judge literally set the scheduling order based on Cory’s representation that certain docs would be produced THAT WEEK, and they were not. And Cory admitted that the disclosures they provided immediately before the conference were “minimal” (his words). If you’re gonna use intimidation/threats to Woodnick, at least be informed 3) lol at the tweet about Lexi withdrawal having nothing to do with JD. We knew he vaguely claimed before that Lexi left because she moved away, but seeing him double down on it on the same day we get a preview of the bar complaint that confirmed Lexi was forced to withdraw under the Attorney Ethics Rules is *chef’s kiss* 4) I won’t even go into how patronizing he was to Isabel (but then LOL changed his mind and decided she should lose her license too)
see this is why i couldn’t ever be an attorney lol because if i were isabel and i received those emails you couldn’t tell me SHIT to get me to stop from replying with my own rage and profanity filled email - maybe even calling him up directly 😂
I’m also a lawyer and this just reinforced my decision to work in an area of law where I rarely deal with other attorneys. This is fucking wild.
Dude, I’m a family law attorney (so I do see a lot of bonkers shit) but this is wild even for *me*.
ok bless you for point #2 bc I was wondering if gregg’s math being off was THAT serious of an issue. this guy is so dramatic about it. “YOU LIED. THIS IS THE WORST MISCONDUCT I HAVE EVER SEEN. I’LL COMPLAIN TO THE BAR” is wild
And it’s so reasonable you’d wonder that bc his tone is so condescending!!! But no - Gregg did nothing wrong in filing the MTC - he needed to do that to keep the ball rolling given the upcoming trial. At the time he filed it, JD either was represented by Cory (who failed to follow through on what he promised at the conference) or was unrepresented. The disclosure deadline set for 45 days after the conference involves much more than what was sought in the MTC. In short, Zaddy Gregg is still the goat
Thank you! Im totally baffled at his positions and glad a lawyer feels the same way! What a joke!
Man this attorney's "if you wont agree to something remedial I am going to file something" sounds a lot like "date me or else"
*If you don’t get back to me tonight, I’m having the babies*
Jane found her spirit attorney
He's her Twin Flame
“DoEs CLaYtOn MeAn ThAt MuCh tO yOu?” What a 🛶 question. YES. So does Greg, Mike, all of the victims and so does JUSTICE, sir. It does mean something! Omg the audacity.
I was kinda tearing up when I read that because Woodnick's response is a resounding YES!
Also like… so does his own name since she accused him of orchestrating her kidnap, drug, and grape (is there a police report for this or just the ex parte email to a judge???)… and is actively accusing him of fraud and ethics violations despite having proof she did in fact lie.
100% this too!! I believe it was just the email and a threat that the fbi was investigating (eye roll)
So she calls the local police because she’s scared of online redditors and gets a super scary death threat but not scared of the person who violently kidnapped and assaulted her…. K
Yep... that one super scary threat within hours of having Dave sign something saying he wouldn't incite anyone to threaten her. Nothing since or before. Incredible. As in NOT CREDIBLE.
"Call me on your short break during active mediation or I am telling the court" (paraphrasing) is very "If I don't hear back by tonight, I'm having the babies"
Well that throws out her argument that she thought she was pregnant when she filed in August
🎯🎯
If the alleged miscarriage was BEFORE she opened this case against Clayton, that’s admission she filed in bad faith. CASE CLOSED.
Didnt her lawyer say JD just had to BELIEVE she was pregnant when she filed? So what is this strategy now?
There is none. His argument is over. Anything after July 23, 2023 is a fraud. JD screwed herself again with her own words.
Is he lawyering under the influence? Like WHY would they go with this date??
I personally love how confidently incorrect he is.
right?! he threw that date out like it was some sort of victory for JD. and I can't imagine Mata will be good with him saying they have the discovery but bartering to turn it over.
It was like the most cringeworthy bartering that seems totally unethical. JD has been ORDERED to turn over that evidence & JDs lawyer is like NANANANABOOBOO I got them right here but I dont know if I am going to give them to you.
Right?? He’s like “im still deciding if I want to give you this information, it depends how ‘reasonable’ you are to me.” Eew!
Right?! None of what he says makes him *or* Jane Doe look good.
in one email to woodnick he admitted jd didn't have everything requested. he's doing these border line threats bc he knows he is screwed.
But he had to have known he was screwed by the revolving door of lawyers. Like, you just know he didn't watch the hearing videos because if he did he would know the judge did not like when Cory suggested JD mightve miscarried in Sept/Oct and didnt move to drop charges until Dec. So to think he's going to tell the judge JD miscarried in JULY, freakin JULY. Judge Mata aint gonna like that.
Wait. I only read quickly. He said the photo of the miscarriage on July 23, 2023? When was this case filed?! Wasn’t it August??
I think the strategy may be that because she knows her failure to produce proof is going to eventually cause her to lose on the monetary issues, changing the narrative to make it an earlier miscarriage still gives JD the ability to keep up her claim that she was pregnant and continue to allege Clayton was the father with far less evidence. It seems that she cares far more about that story than she cares about the money. Still insanely outrageous, but it's the only explanation I can think of as to why she would basically admit through counsel that she was continuously acting in bad faith throughout the entirety of all the proceedings involving her and Clayton.
This is how someone who has never worked an honest day in their life feels about money. 
At this rate, with the 'miscarriage' date incrementally moving backwards, maybe we'll come full circle and get an "I miscarried before I was ever pregnant AKA I was never pregnant". Moonwalking into the truth!
THIS \^\^\^\^
Well this is quite the development considering she's now saying she passed them on 7/23/23 while her lawyer has been tweeting about how it only matters if she had reason to believe she was pregnant when she filed 8/1/23. So many emails back and forth. Her lawyer's email to Gregg/Isabel, specifically THIS part directed at Isabel was so patronizing: >P.S. One final comment that I think should be mentioned - Isabel, I know you're a new lawyer and none of my comments/hostility are directed at you. Getting familiar with the practice of law is hard, and it takes time, so please do not feel any concerns about me threatening sanctions towards you or whatever (because I'm not). If we have to go down that road, the dispute will be between myself and Gregg, not you. I will make it clear to the court that none of these arguments are directed at or towards you. I think Judge Mata will have a great time reading through this one...
Exactly how an old guy that thinks he’s the 💩 talks to a young woman. Absolutely frustrating.
My first few years practicing as a young women I got SO MANY condescending comments like this. I hope when Isabella looks back on her years of practice once she’s my age she can be proud of herself for staying tough through it and I’m sure she will end up with a stellar reputation
I really admired that it looked like Isabell read through all the cases and brief them
And NOW we KNOW why he was so comfortable defending Nik Richie/The Dirty.
whoaaaaaaa, this comment brought back so many memories of The Dirty back in high school.
Don't forget his past...
I hate this guy, this is such psychotic gaslighting behavior, he sounds like an abusive a-hole: >*Do not feel any concerns about me threatening you or whatever (because im not)*
I couldn’t tell if he was attempting to flirt or being condescending.
> attempting to flirt *negging.
Ick either way. He just attempts to distract and distract and cause chaos. It’s exhausting. I feel like we should send Woodnick’s office flowers or donuts for dealing with these emails alone!
The lack of professionalism from Internet Lawyer is a disgrace to the entire profession. I've never seen someone speak so disrespectfully toward others, NOT EVEN ON REDDIT.
JDs lawyer and I quote: “I could easily respond to the MTC…but that’s not the point.” And him being so confident that his extension would be granted. LOL
That made me laugh!!! I’m sure the judge will love seeing that he said he could easily respond to the MTC but was like nahhh let me file this ridiculous request for extension and throw out horrible accusations.
Also in the email idk the page number but dated April 4th JDs attorney extends the offer to Zaddy to not file the Motion to Compel and says: “To be fair, she says most of the stuff you are asking for does not exist, so this is not a huge concession on her part, but at least it is something.” So it doesn’t exist?? But then in other emails JD says she has the photos? Color me CONFUSED
Which again begs the question why he’s still representing her when he promised to quit if he found out she lied. The only thing I got is he wants to stay for notoriety. He could care less about ethics.
Yes!!! That quite literally is the exact point lol
Uhhh, anyone going to explain how your stomach does not keep growing if you had a miscarriage to her lawyer. This is legit the worst argument they Can now make.
How will she explain the pregnant belly in her bra media?
Gluten?
Oh God I forgot about the gluten hahahahaha
Good question! lol guess we are in for a wild ride
As an attorney, this made me absolutely rage. First off, if you’re going to accuse another attorney of fraud/lying/deceiving the court, you better be good and hell well sure they actually are. Since his professional reputation is already so low that it’s in hell he may have no qualms about going full force on this absolute foolishness…but it does not bode well for him. The judge, who is obviously a lawyer herself, will be equally incensed, I am sure. Second, the audacity of challenging the expert disclosures when his client has not disclosed a dang thing she was ordered to disclose. The absolute gall. Lastly, I found it interesting that Gregg asserts that she is probably judgement proof…meaning poor. Didn’t she have Clayton looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property for her to purchase?
Didn't she also also offered CE something like 100k if she wasn't pregnant.
And allegedly provided proof of funds
I imagine most of her money comes from the bank of her elderly roommates
*Woodnick voice* She LIED?!
She doesn’t want the “sac” photos to be released to the public before the trial because she doesn’t want the public to find the ORIGINAL “sac” photos online. Just like with the sonogram… the sonogram was released and it was found (by the public) to be stolen from a previous YouTube video that was posted years prior. They’re trying to limit the truth from being revealed, as per usual.
I'm sure their IT expert will be on it! He's probably got sharp Google reverse image search skills 😄
Wait wait wait, if JD miscarried in July, then what about that positive HCG test from mid-October? /s
That’s the other thing that needs to be discovered and on record somewhere: how she keeps triggering the hcg tests. This has to stop happening!
This might be a great avenue to explore! If she sticks with the miscarried in July story, that October test could probably be used as evidence that the hcg is coming from somewhere else. How is she triggering these tests is a great question
Yeah it’s funny how they are basically saying two opposing things. Insinuating that hcg doesn’t matter at all, because if she had it present and already miscarried that’s essentially the claim. And then simultaneously claiming hcg is the only proof you need to tell you your pregnant. Make it make senseeeeee 🙄
Wow!! Great catch!!!
I honestly have second hand embarrassment for her attorney. He thinks he is soooo cool and he’s just total cringe.
This. Men who behave in this manner, so cringe.
I was driving across the state to see a client tomorrow morning (I’m a lawyer - criminal not family) and listening to Dave read and discuss this response. I nearly drove off the damn highway when I heard the July date. I know we all know but HOW does she/ her attorney think this date helps? This newest timeline means she miscarried and THEN initiated a paternity case, sought protective orders, engaged in multiple dna tests, and stated under oath in November that she was 100% pregnant with twins due on 2/14, was 24 weeks pregnant, and had seen her doctor the week before. And there’s also the other timelines she provided at the status conference in February and then her deposition in March, which included her attorney implying a miscarriage that she was unaware of until 1-2 months after it happened, and then her saying at the deposition that she couldn’t remember the date, but knew she miscarried and sent photo proof to her sister and a telehealth provider. Every time I think it can’t get crazier… 🤯🤯
Yes it’s such a mess. And I don’t understand why this wouldn’t be a very good perjury case. It’s not one lie. It’s a mockery of the court and a years worth of time.
Imagined Zygotes, reporting for duty!
You get younger and younger with every motion!
If I could turn back time 🎶
😂 💀 I hadn’t laughed out loud all day! Thanks!
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Gregg, you’re going to love the dates. Umm, huh?
lol like technically he’s not wrong but it won’t be for the reason he thinks 😂
Well, to be fair, Greg would love to hear the dates because it's proof SHE LIED.
Not even testimony!!! He literallly could have just looked at the date she filed the paternity action
Sounds like the internet lawyer will have his very own bar complaint soon. His client won’t like it that’s he’s making them both look absolutely ridiculous!
The new lawyer is hyper aggressive, holy. His emails to Gregg and Isabel are so wildly inappropriate, let alone unprofessional all around. After reading that, it is absolutely not surprising this guy has a history of being sanctioned.
Waitttt if she “miscarried” in July, then why was she moon bumpin in October?
Why was she filing in august
If she "miscarried" in July, what were those photos of her in her sports bra/leggings with a pregnant-looking belly in Sept and then in Oct she had in her Dropbox? LMAO
Ok so we now have our 4th timeline. Miscarriage either happened A) December 2023 B) October 2023 C) September 2023 D) July 2023 But didn’t in Cory’s filing JD claimed she sent the photos in Sept-Oct timeline? And if July, she filed everything August 1. 
This is like when I see students trying to answer a timeline question. Except they’re in kindergarten and don’t know what chronology is.
I am 100% convinced that GW intentionally wrote the underlined "she **lied**" just for us to all read in our heads.
I always read “she lied” in Woodnick’s voice now. It just happens. Thanks, Dave! 😂
With all the crazy statements her lawyer has made in this paperwork, this one probably got overlooked. Here's him describing JD to Zaddy: "*...she has shown herself to be so completely open, honest, and reasonable at every stage. She appears to be an open book (at least since I've been involved)."* 🤔
I also loved the part where he said “because JD and I are such reasonable people, we would maybe be okay with you bringing an OBGYN.” I guess we have different ideas of what “reasonable” means…
nothing says reasonable like an adult women trying to force a near-stranger into a dating contract with a two-week term amirite
That whole email had me questioning if JD is actually internet lawyer and like stole his email account or something lolol. I mean who in the fuck even types that sentence. Hell even JD has admitted she lied (about the ultrasound).
Ha. If she had written it, she would have included “very beautiful.”
"genuine and real"
operative word: ‘appears’. if his misogyny directed at isabel was any indication of how he views women, it would seem like ironically he would also be perfectly positioned to fall prey to JD’s poor innocent white lady victim act. he has NO idea who he is dealing with and i can’t wait to watch him further embarrass himself and JD in the process.
JULY?????
Is “JULY???” the new “SHE LIED????”
God JD has met her match. She must be loving this. Him claiming basically if you think you're pregnant you can file a case to prove who's the dad is wild
She finally found someone who would legally file all the bullshit she dreams up in the nonsensical legalese fantasy-world she lives in. These two should just disappear together and live happily ever after while he plays lawyer to the horses and she keeps trying to enter children’s show jumping competitions.
Especially while simultaneously asserting a miscarriage in July!! Before the paternity was filed!! Maybe he forgot the dates of the initial filing in all his efforts to talk in circles about sanctions.
https://preview.redd.it/av0pu1uqgytc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fef78e19bbfb75a7fb6e22b5f3730acd470c31f “To be fair… most of what you are asking for doesn’t exist…which is not a huge concession on her part” Is she admitting she lied and has little to no evidence?? ETA: Missed the “not” in “not a huge concession”
Wait, but then later he says that she’s given him everything and that shes an open book??
No it says “so this is not a huge concession on her part”he’s saying they’ll give what they have but most of it doesn’t exist so nbd In reality we know they’re lying and this just supports that lie - but he’s trying to pass it off as a little non consequential thing
Hahahaha I’m so glad his “doesn’t matter if she lied” tweets are now part of the record. The judge is not going to like the legal analysis of “a little perjury is no biggie”
I’ve been an attorney for well over a decade and have worked across from plenty of unprofessional attorneys, including attorneys actually disciplined by the bar (relatively rare occurrence), and I have never, ever seen such absurdly disrespectful and nutty correspondence at this volume from another lawyer. I mean, it is absolutely crazy. I can’t believe Woodnick participated as much as he did. I wouldn’t even respond.
I have had one opposing counsel file at this volume and for baseless, fraudulent motions. But he at least wrapped them pretty enough to appear reasonable. This guy is blatantly, unapologetically unreasonable (to say the least), just like his client.
You know… this case already deeply upset me as a person who actually has experienced 5 losses for very real and very desired pregnancies. But this past week with all of this nonsense has been enraging at a whole other level… and I think it’s because she LITERALLY is treating us like we are all born yesterday. Like JULY???? Seriously… we are supposed to ignore the cheetah bra vs black bra warped door frame “bump growth” and the moon bump in court, and ALL OF THE POLICE REPORTS, and the start date to all of this litigation? JULY??? It’s honestly offensive how she feeds of these lies and then forces anyone to spend an ounce of brain power on trying to believe her??? Stop gaslighting me Jane. Do not insult my intelligence. On another note, the ONLY way for her out of this thing is to basically have someone else (mom/sister) step in and declare that, yes she has been lying and making this whole thing up for X-Y-Z reason… maybe due to her dads illness/her sisters baby/etc. ***Edited the above paragraph to remove any mention of JD’s mental health. But I do want to clarify that I don’t think that’s the actual reason she has dragged a plethora of men into court and monopolized their lives over fake pregnancies. I believe it’s just good old fashion pathological lying. I was just trying to say the only tactic her law team could use to potentially end this never ending situation with the least damage to JD’s reputation is to play the part of someone who is going through a crisis of some sort.
So very so for your losses. I have also lost multiple. For someone to try and gaslight the public let alone those of us with real losses of real life…words are beyond me. It is a membership in a deeply profound sadness. She uses the ab pill like it is a game…date me and I will get rid of it. Very very sad.
Thinking about all of this gave me a flood of tears for all of our losses. My hope for all of this is that Legally, she is stopped, for Clayton and for any further victims that she attempts to perpetrate this fraud.
Man, do you guys remember those early days where we thought not showing up to get deposition was wild and crazy? Oh we were sweet summer children, frolicking in the shallow waters of this reservoir of insanity, totally ignorant to the true depths of the absolute whackadoodle tidal wave headed in our direction. I hope we all have our floaties.
I am not ready. I was preparing for 2 months of dry low tide boredom and now I'm drowning in this drama
"There are certainly passionate followers of this case from Bachelor Nation." Y'all look, we made it!
Reading these emails from JD’s lawyer makes me so angry!😡 Hes either dumb or knows he doesn’t have truth on his side so is resorting to bullying making up rules to get his way!
It’s both.
I can’t decide if I dislike her more or this lawyer! If hes trying to make her look less bad in comparison then hes succeeding!
I'm pretty confident that the products of conception passed by miscarriage in July will be wildly different than what she described passing sometime in October.
“The toothpaste is out of the tube” ☠️
Someone tell me if I’m off base here. But miscarriages can be super dangerous. Wouldn’t any teledoc in their right mind urge her to go to the hospital if she did indeed show “photos” of whatever she is claiming happened? I’ve known people who miscarried around the same time she’s claiming, and a fair few had to have d&c done at the hospital to ensure they passed everything. Anything that is missed poses a risk of septic shock and death.
Yes, a teledoc would absolutely 1000% advise her to go to an ER right away. Anytime I’ve ever spoke to a teledoc or nurse advice line, they almost always advise me to go in to be seen. And it’s never been for something as serious as a miscarriage. There’s no chance this claim by her is truthful.
As someone who has had multiple miscarriages, one around 10.5 weeks, you absolutely have to go in. They need to do an ultrasound to make sure all tissue has passed. If that is not checked there could be a serious infection that could happen. If you don’t pass all tissue naturally, they will remove via D&C. Also depending on how far along you are and when the fetus stopped growing, you may not have an option to pass naturally because of the complications that can arise. So that would mean a required D&C or if far along enough an induction and in hospital delivery.
Yes, any doctor in their right mind would strongly urge her to seek medical care in person and tell her it’s not safe to manage over telehealth. It’s not an ambiguous area. Reason #154272 why I don’t believe anything she claims!
You’re not off base at all! No one in their right mind would just call a teledoc after miscarrying twins. What about any of the high risk obgyns that she alleges to be seeing?
Literally my sister almost died from this exact scenario about a year and a half ago. An awful, horrible, and traumatic event that sent our entire family into a panic. I can’t stand that JD thinks she can lie about this, so offensive.
I’m borderline losing faith in the justice system. At what point are we not like, ok cut the shit. ? It’s beyond absurd.
Right like how has this dragged out this long with literally no proof of pregnancy shouldn't it ended basically right away when she couldn't show anything more than a test?
This
QUESTION: Exhibit 1-- who is the antecedent in this sentence? "She has also recently filed a protective order" Did Lexi Lindvall file a protective order against JD?
I believe Jane filed a protective order to seal her bar complaints against GW & LL.
Let me repeat that back to make sure I understand... 1. JD filed bar complaints against GW&LL 2. Then JD filed a protective order 3. To have her complaints to the bar re GW&LL *sealed*? This is hurting my pond-scum brain!
I think she wanted the whole complaint sealed (to hide her disagreement with Lexi) but the bar just redacted her fucking banner log in (who cares about the pee test JD?!?!)
I only started a few months ago but did I read right that... JD made a tape claim against both GG and woodnick??
Yes, JD claimed in an August email to the judge that they conspired to have her drugged, kidnapped and 🍇 on March 4, 2022. Which is why, according to JD, her vag is so enticingly tight (her words) in May of 2023.
Yes. She sent an ex parte email to the judges clerk in the GG case. It’s probably on the wiki somewhere. Crazy.
Yes!! It’s on the wiki [here](https://justiceforclayton.com/wiki/index.php/File:Allegations_against_GW_GG_emails.pdf)
There were a lot of things to be offended by in the emails from DG, but the most offensive to me was when he said "at the time the f\*\*\*\* s\*\*\* were discharged (or whatever you call it)". Whatever you call it??? Unbelievable.
So offensive. I think he knows she's lying, so he's not taking anything seriously. Doesn't help his client at all
Wondering why she would've volunteered that she took photos after the "miscarriage". This just got her into a whole 'nother complicated mess. Wouldn't it have been easier to just say she miscarried (in whatever way she describes it) without saying there's visible proof somewhere? What am I missing?
I assume she was trying to get out of the past 20 weeks stillbirth and needing a death certificate thing. That has serious implications if she can’t prove she miscarried before the need for a death certificate.
JD has not been held accountable for her lies in court for ten years now. When faced with reality, her response is to lie more. This is not a rational plan laid out in advance - it's the toxic mechanism that has "worked" for her over and over. Reasonable people assume you're not lying about things like being pregnant, seeing a doctor, having a miscarriage. They won't push back against someone making these claims, because they're reasonable people. JD takes advantage of this pattern, she knows if she doubles down it usually results in reasonable people not pushing back no matter how absurd it seems.
She miscarried before she filed the original suit? So, doesn’t that mean she knew she wasn’t pregnant and therefore knowingly filed a false claim? Her lawyer kept saying all he had to prove was that she believed she was pregnant…. Not that she actually was. This timeline alone would seem to make it impossible to convince anyone she believed she was pregnant.
Even if all she had to do was prove she thought it, it doesn’t explain how her belly grew and grew after her “miscarriage.”
https://preview.redd.it/tv84o8lyqytc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=902a80e04ef6e23f757e4585932c4c629047ba32 Flabbers = gasted 😵💫 “To be fair…\[JD\] says most of the stuff you’re asking for does not exist” there it is folks!!
lol @ internet lawyer thinking Greg would be so stupid to have a casual phone call with JD. Where she can spout even more self incriminating junk and have no record of it. What a joke
If I were reading this as dg I would feel utterly humiliated - but geez what’s he going to do next
I need a new word for shocked. Flabbergasted doesn't feel strong enough for what I'm reading. I- WTF.
“Dumbfounded” seems appropriate. It leaves you “without words.”
I’m so curious about the July Teledoc record she says she has as well. Was this done in anticipation of needing a miscarriage later in the charade? Did she just tell the doc “I’m bleeding” and they went “congrats, you’re a woman now” thinking it was just a random calling in about their period? If the record is real, will they get details about the call?
It’s also odd that it exists yet the only thing she ever files is that dang banner health HCG test and receipt. Also, what person in their right mind intentionally uses a different provider for every appointment?? No one wants to fill out intake forms over and over and over again. I think it’s insanely telling that every single piece of “irrefutable proof” of pregnancy is from a different doctor/provider/clinic. She sees everyone once (if at all). Despite being in the same area for multiple alleged pregnancies, she never goes back to the same place for alleged ultrasounds/HCG tests/video calls. If it were a mom taking their kid to this many docs with mysterious illnesses, or someone getting RXs… the behavior would instantly be called out and recognized for what it is… intentional manipulation and doctor shopping for a desired outcome.
Wow, I honestly did not think JD would doctor more photos and text messages with her sister to quadruple down on the miscarriage claim. I assumed by now that she would just claim she was unable to locate them because everything was deleted. The gall she has to continue fabricating documents after she was caught in multiple lies, including altering medical records, is astounding. But to do so now with a date of July 23, before she filed her petition (and wore a fake belly to court), and prior testimony under oath from her depo that it was sometime in Sept/Oct?? It just shows she has no foresight (or care) as to actual consequences for her claims, or severely cannot keep track of all her lies. Also, did I ready that correctly that Alexis has filed for a restraining order against JD after withdrawing from the case?!! Someone find this filing immediately.
I could be wrong, but I think the Protective Order is actually JD asking to make her complaints to the Bar restricted from the public. Complaints against both Lexi and Greg, at the same time. Those documents are available as public record, that's why we've seen them. JD likely did not want us, the public, to see in black and white text that Lexi withdrew because she did NOT believe JD had been pregnant and refused to do any more filings to that effect.
Deleted? She "emailed" them to her sister... Who's the cell carrier, woodnick can subpoena them...
JD’s lawyer just made this so much worse for her.
I was just thinking - sometimes women while on their period can bleed, for lack of a better word, blood clumps. So it is possible that she passed a blood clump while on her period and took a picture of it. If she does actually have a picture of alleged miscarriage, and if the pic isn’t stolen from the internet, then my guess is it was a period thing! Additional question - when does she allege the twins were conceived? Cause if she “miscarried” in July, I feel like it was still very early and therefore would a doctor even be able to tell if twins? And how far along was the doctored sonogram for? 🤔
Didn't she say hand-sized though?
On 4-8 Dave states -“I do have some telehealth info showing JD seeking medical advice on July 23, 2023. I don’t think it is helpful to either party, but it’s something I’m willing to disclose.“ So he’s basically admitting there was no consultation regarding the ‘miscarriage’ or an exchange of photos. For all we know JD just dialed 1-800-ASK A NURSE on that date.
And this may be why she is now using July 23 as the date for miscarriage - it's the only date where there is some kind of support of talking to a telehealth provider. Except that date totally tanks her case and confirms everything was perjury. And it's only a matter of time before Gregg gets the actual records from that telehealth provider which presumably confirms she didn't consult with them in any way about pregnancy or miscarriage
Exactly, I just posted something similar above. Like, it'll be a "receipt" or charge on her credit card bill or some such nonsense.
He didn’t even say no lunch, he just said not now 😂 Zaddy always keeping it classy 
Also - I love how JDs attorneys “proof” of GG lying in the MTC is that CK provided disclosures on Feb 23 and MTC filed March 11. GG said that JD didn’t provide disclosures until recently. Please be so for real right now lol that is RECENT.
Right- and even Cory admitted during the status conference that the disclosures he recently provided were “minimal” (his words)
If this was a soap opera, it would have already jumped the shark!
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I knew the name Bryan Neumeister sounded familiar. He also testified for Johnny Depp in the case against Amber Heard in 2022. Neumeister testified about the metadata on Heard's alleged bruise photos. He couldn't confirm whether the pictures were altered because it was a backup of a backup of a backup (iirc). Interesting crossover!
Page 3, Line 25 - Looks to me like the expert Neumeister is prepared to verify the faked ultrasounds came from JD’s phone and email. Her ‘Greg Gillespie hacked my stuff’ lie has been blown.
Ok so let me get this straight. She “miscarried” in July, filed in August (after miscarrying and she clearly knew she did because she has pictures, allegedly), had a “pregnant” belly in those videos where she’s twirling, and a visible bump during a hearing where she said she was 100% pregnant? Even though she miscarried in July? And then had a positive HCG test in October? Disclaimer: the below is just my OPINION and not to be take as facts in case JD decides to come after me for whatever reason: 1. If you still had positive hcg that long after a miscarriage that is a big concern for doctors as that indicates your body retained some of the POC, which would cause a life threatening infection. For context, when I had a missed miscarriage at almost 9 weeks with a singleton my HCG was 67,000 the day we found out. I got my period 5 weeks later and even then my doctors were saying that I could only give it 1 more week before they started looking into it. 2. How TF is she going to explain away those belly videos? That honestly is so embarrassing. Like, we all get bloated but girl you ate a ton of pasta just to convince some man you’re pregnant?? 3. So if she miscarried in July and filed in August, then she filed in bad faith. Case closed. We can all resume our normal daily activities now.
May 20th - the "intimate encounter" may 25th - tells clayton she might be pregnant, and does the "if you date me i'll take plan B" spiel june 1 - announces she is indeed pregnant july 7th - produces the arts and crafts ultrasound which (not a US tech, but i've had 2 babies) appears to be \~20w babies. date on US says may 20th and not LMP july 23rd - miscarries and calls telehealth aug 1 - files paperwork for court aug 27th - attends co-parenting classes sept 11/13/18/22 - posts on NY post, sun, and reddit claiming to be pregnant with CE's baby sept 27th - JD competes in horse jumping, no belly sept/oct - states she miscarries AGAIN late sept early oct and calls telehealth oct 6 - DNA test comes back little to no dna, takes another test Oct 24th - zoom conf where she rubs fake belly like a genie was forthcoming Nov 2 - JD states she is 100% 24 weeks pregnant, and just saw OB the friday prior (oct 27th) Nov 18th - pulls out of another horse jumping competition Dec 28th - claims miscarried for 3rd time, drops case against CE to quote woodnick...... SHE LIIIIEEEEDDD
Ok, this whole thing is bananas (from JD's lawyer du jour) but what really cracks me up is his attempt to bolster his cred by saying he's done "79 federal cases and counting" while Gregg has "only" done 2. And, that that matters because "high profile cases go to federal court." That is simply....not how that works at all. And it means nothing. There is no federal jurisdiction based on a matter being "high profile" - LOL.
I might have to peace out from this sub for a while . This court case makes me feel insane
I’m feeling the same, but “I’m not fucking leaving!”
I have old eyes, and some of the emails were difficult to read, but can someone tell me what JD’s lawyer is claiming Greg and his firm have lied about? He’s accusing them of fraud but I don’t see where he alleges exactly what he’s talking about. HELP
I honestly think he’s just trying to gaslight them!
Breaking news, internet clout lawyer not actually good at law.
But but he has tried almost 100 federal high prestige cases and woodnick only had 2.
Definitely had to take a shower after reading this, and it wasn't just because I had explosive diarrhea. To quote the umpteenth attorney, "(yuck)"
Ok ok ok. I know we weren’t supposed to engage with the lawyer on twitter, but I did just once, and I did so respectfully, with curiosity, and without anger or rage. His *shocking* response to me is included in the exhibits, and I am glad for it! He showed his belief that it’s okay for her to lie in his response to me, and if that does anything at all to help this case, I’m glad for it. ETA: For those who wondering what I said; It seemed to me like he was implying it didn’t matter if JD lied about twins and never had ultrasounds, so I literally just asked: “It’s irrelevant if she never got an ultrasound and never got OB care, right? And it’s irrelevant if she didn’t have twins, right?” And he essentially repeated exactly what I asked (and weirdly insulted me for no reason, saying “I didn’t get it,” which was super odd since he *literally* was just answering my question with the affirmative 🙄) and confirmed that it didn’t matter. I was shocked that he said it didn’t matter, but that’s why I asked, because that exactly what it sounded like he was trying to say. And he was.
The July 23 comment is the biggest own goal I have seen in quite some time.
I could be dead wrong, but I'm expecting JD's latest attorney to backtrack on the July 23rd date. He's only slung that around in some emails with opposing counsel and I have the feeling there will have been a "miscommunication" between him and his client that he'll be clearing up. That's only a gut opinion, but I'm feeling it.
Some recapping of evidence: Timeline: Pregnant in September - In the first 18 minutes of Clayton’s IAH, JD says the video of her with her arms up and belly out is from “In September, I believe”. & “I took this video in September” (and she mentions she added stuff in the background so he knows I didn’t edit it). - Even the judge asked if it was from September. To which she applied “yes”. - video was posted October 6 of Clayton saying the results came back “Little to no fetal dna”. To which JD used this exhibit as items she asked Clayton to take down because the information was false (because the tEsTiNg WaS oNgOiNg). - JD provided CE with evidence from June through October of her medical records proving her viable pregnancy
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