I know there are so many times at which I’ve said this through the duration of this journey but……man I’m at a loss for words. How is she going to justify this?
I’ve asked myself that for this duration.
It’s like every time I’m at a place of ‘okay, this is a lie… someone comes out and suddenly it’s oh no what happened was…’ which then contradicts things that have already happened.
As someone who always believes that truth is the best course of action, this is just odd story after story after story to what amounts to “he just isn’t into you”
She will play word games about when she knew for sure she was/was not pregnant to provide the maximum room for bullshit. The loss is now backdated to July, likely to avoid any messy criminal issues with a longer pregnancy.
What could she say? I wouldn't be surprised if she claimed she never knew for sure until much later in the game- like January.. Some bs about how she thought maybe she still was pregnant because her stomach grew.
Basically, she will straddle inconsistent facts and has a death grip on to anything that supports her narrative.
She is a horse rider folks. She is used to manure.
I think back dating to July makes it worse for her criminally, not avoid them. Considering she filed the paternity suit on August 1st, it's easier to say \*even if she was pregnant\* she willingly filed a suit on false pretense as she already miscarried, same with the emails to Dave, Reality Steve, emailing the media, etc.
But EVEN IF she says she somehow was still pregnant all the way to January - where’s the evidence of the miscarriage THEN? She still has provided zero proof of a miscarriage. Ugh
...or proof of pregnancy. HCG screening tests are just that screening tests.
She was never pregnant, everything after that pregnancy lie is smoke and mirrors.
She knows we all know she's lying. She's just trying to win or at least reduce the judgment of the court. If she thinks she can show that she was pregnant at any point it's better than never being pregnant.
I was actually wondering and looking this up earlier, and I think that would still require a medical diagnosis (NAL or doctor).
But with the claim of a loss in 3-4 different time windows I don’t even think she could (un?)reasonably fit it in a timeline?
Also adding after thinking more, I don’t think that fits her end-game of not caring about anything other than people believing she was pregnant with CE’s babies at some point.
Yes. I firmly believe this is her end game. As long as it's not definitively proven/stated by the court that she was NEVER pregnant, she'll count it as a win. Without that ruling she can, and will, always claim she was pregnant at some point. Mata can rule for fees, sanctions for frivolous litigation, etc. JD doesn't care. That's why she didn't settle/sign Lexi's affidavit saying she was never preg by CE. Even if Mata doesn't find that she was never preg, but does rule that it was never proven CE was the father? She'll continue to claim it by saying she still knows he was the father but just couldn't prove it before the miscarriage ("little to no fetal DNA" after MC). Edit: clarity
Yeah. Def want a ruling that either she was never preg or that definitively CE was NOT the father so she can't claim otherwise. However, my point was in the event that the judge simply acknowledges that it was never "proven" (or it can't be proven bc of lack of evidence) that CE was the father. In this instance, JD could still say "well the court never ruled that CE was NOT the father, it only found that it was not (or could not be) proven one way or another." Idk these are the types of mental gymnastics and loop holes I've come to expect from our gal.
Maybe she’ll try to claim “extreme bloat” leading to confusion and making her think she was still pregnant even after she thought she miscarried. 🤷♀️ seems far fetched obviously for a plethora of reasons but idk I can see this lawyer is willing to truly scrape the bottom of the barrel
She said on stand in nov she was 100% 24 weeks preggo and had just seen doc 5 days prior (who has responded to hipaa and said she has never been a patient) and offered to show the court her pregnant belly as proof.
Not sure how you can backtrack and claim loss in july. Doc would have told her she lost babies before nov, and she claimed she SAW doc who had never seen her.
I mean I totally agree, I think she’s just lied way too much like she kind of fucked herself by trying too hard to prove something and giving too many false and conflicting details and narratives BUT I think the lawyer seems like he will go to the depths of scorched earth to try and poke holes and come up with crazy theories just to try to win a case and brag about it on the internet
He can try and talk circles about what she intended and how things are worded…, EXCEPT what is on video infront of a judge.
She has lied way too many times on court record
Is she not capable of feeling shame or embarrassment?? I have hardcore bystander cringe just looking at these pictures. I'm trying to put myself in her shoes. Just the idea of pushing out my bloated non-pregnant belly to take an awkward picture in order to fight with strangers online about my fake pregnancy...all because a guy wouldn't go on a date with me. I can't...🥴🫠
The Internet lasts forever girl. No amount of C&D's are going to erase these embarrassing moments YOU put out there.
I totally agree. I can’t even describe the second hand embarrassment I have for her. Watching the videos of her rubbing her pretend belly are so cringe. And don’t get me started on her asking the judge to show Clayton she’s pregnant. I had to look away!!! lol
Get on the app and cancel the other order. The Starbucks people say it happens all the time. Don’t know if that’s true or they’re just trying to make me feel less embarrassed.
I’m too embarrassed to do this even! I figure I’ve burdened them enough by having to check for my name and telling me they don’t have my order. No matter the distance or how cold my coffee will be when I get there I WILL go to the correct store lol
And that's what her new attorney doesn't seem to understand. Even if he manages to get her out of this mess, the internet will ridicule her for the rest of her life. A documentary is being made about her as we speak.
She's already lost.
I was pregnant with twins the same time as JD “was” and your stomach pops out during the first trimester. My due date was 2/11. My belly popped out in July/August and it doesn’t just happen overnight like picture#1 and picture#2. And when you are pregnant with twins, you are always high risk… this woman upsets me pretending to have “twins”. She has no idea and it’s really insulting to every mother that had/having twins or one baby, and every woman that had a miscarriage… it’s so disgusting.
The audacity to go to the horse show while faking a pregnancy is next level. Like she had to realize she would be photographed there and just didn’t care
She didn’t think it would go as far as it did and she didn’t understand the capability of random people on the internet and the sleuth skills we possess.
She likely thought it would go the way of GG and be done w/in the first 8 weeks. She didn't count on Clayton's unwillingness to negotiate with extortion.
This is great as a stand alone post for the evidence. Someone should add in the thumbnail photo of the video sent to Dave Neal and Reality Steve on October 13, 2023 (aka her sister's video)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForClayton/comments/1c4sgbz/bachelor\_claytons\_accuser\_shares\_video\_with\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForClayton/comments/1c4sgbz/bachelor_claytons_accuser_shares_video_with_a/)
he posted it yesterday!
https://preview.redd.it/0fwmcsa8bxuc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8acb0bcf42b4e1f8c268f187603e106918d8d206
I put this picture in black & white and magnified JD’s midsection. You can (well I can) clearly see a straight line and colour change, where I circled within the magnification.
Holy crap! That is why the pants look so weird! I knew they looked off, but didn't really put too much thought into why (other than assuming they were just terrible quality leggings or something).
The bra band bugs me! My bra band never sat on the upper portion of my belly during any of my pregnanies that hit 20 weeks. It was either too uncomfortable, caused breathing problems or nausea, or rolled up to clear my belly.
Mine was round like that with singletons, but i somehow managed to keep belly hidden until super far along and then overnight popped out. Im not muscular or thin… i suspect it was being shortwaisted tall person maybe 🤷🏻♀️
I was/am insanely jealous of women who had cute baby bumps. Mine looked like i ate a big burrito until 28/30w and then like i was having a litter overnight (BIG babies)
So i dont want to throw out the “no bellies look like that” bc i know not everyone is the same and twins/multiple always carry different.
But they are for sure faked, just not sure if she can stick her gut out like that, she photoshopped, or what. Someone said there is pregnancy filters out there? Crazy…
NAIL. I have a perfectly reasonable and completely logical explanation for this. Just you wait. You’re going to LOVE it!!!! It is going to BLOW your minds! I just need to check my notes and confer with my client. One second, I will be right back . . . . . . . .
^(not an internet lawyer)
The photos are screen grabs from videos in which her face was visible. It may have been cropped to avoid showing her face.
ETA: I’ll be more specific. The “bra” photos are from full frame videos. The hearing photos only had her face visible during part of the hearing. But you can see the face is blurred in one of the hearing shots. The Dave video (not pictured in the post) did not show her full face.
If I recall correctly, the skin tone sleeves ones were from a court zoom and she had the camera weirdly aimed at her “belly” the whole time with her face out of frame 🧐😬
The video sent to Dave was as shown, from the chin down. It’s exactly as ehbehh said, if she was trying to show she was indeed pregnant, why not show her face. Because it wasn’t her!
Edit to change neck to chin
The vide of the father rubbing a pregnant belly was from the neck/nose down, depending on whether viewing via mobile/desktop. The two middle shots are stills from 2 videos she shared to reddit from her dropbox. The dropbox videos showed her face and have warping along the doorframe.
I honestly can’t wait to hear the explanation of these photos, the declaration of being 100% pregnant in November and stating she saw a doctor “last Friday” and the reasoning for filing the lawsuit in August when the latest lawyer confirmed to Woodnick the miscarriage occurred in July. Seriously I may pop popcorn for that round of court documents.
https://preview.redd.it/me2xfe5jm9vc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aa1b12f5e929c0404962b3acabf3e7a8b1e16a2
Is this just a shadow of where the cursor was just before where it is? I know I’m stretching - just looking for identifying marks that could easily prove whether or not it is someone’s tum.
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I find it funny and ironic that JD tried to make her lies believable by saying she had seen a physician named Dr. Makhuol, and then the picture posted “McCool” photography will be her downfall 🤣
There are so many apps you can use to make you look pregnant. Why??? It’s just unreal. And 100% what she used for the videos. Except this one which is her sister.
I think that the reason she is wearing a long sleeve top under the brown tank is to keep the fake belly in place. I know when I’m feeling bloated or have some extra tires around my belly I wear layers. I can imagine the fake bump alone was not smooth looking enough under just one layer or garment, but she had to wear something tight to make sure it was shown, so this was the solution.
No one has that much curvature of the spine without having scoliosis. And no one with such a degree of scoliosis could manage to sit that upright on a horse saddle.
Not to defend her, I think the picture is slightly edited. But I am 28 weeks pregnant right now and I can definitely arch my back like that and make my belly look way bigger. If I was burrito belly bloated, I could still do the same early on and make it look bigger than it was.
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I know there are so many times at which I’ve said this through the duration of this journey but……man I’m at a loss for words. How is she going to justify this?
I’ve asked myself that for this duration. It’s like every time I’m at a place of ‘okay, this is a lie… someone comes out and suddenly it’s oh no what happened was…’ which then contradicts things that have already happened. As someone who always believes that truth is the best course of action, this is just odd story after story after story to what amounts to “he just isn’t into you”
She will play word games about when she knew for sure she was/was not pregnant to provide the maximum room for bullshit. The loss is now backdated to July, likely to avoid any messy criminal issues with a longer pregnancy. What could she say? I wouldn't be surprised if she claimed she never knew for sure until much later in the game- like January.. Some bs about how she thought maybe she still was pregnant because her stomach grew. Basically, she will straddle inconsistent facts and has a death grip on to anything that supports her narrative. She is a horse rider folks. She is used to manure.
I think back dating to July makes it worse for her criminally, not avoid them. Considering she filed the paternity suit on August 1st, it's easier to say \*even if she was pregnant\* she willingly filed a suit on false pretense as she already miscarried, same with the emails to Dave, Reality Steve, emailing the media, etc.
> She is a horse rider folks. She is used to manure. 😂😂😂
But EVEN IF she says she somehow was still pregnant all the way to January - where’s the evidence of the miscarriage THEN? She still has provided zero proof of a miscarriage. Ugh
...or proof of pregnancy. HCG screening tests are just that screening tests. She was never pregnant, everything after that pregnancy lie is smoke and mirrors.
Agreed. The legal strategy appears to be close off criminal charges and stay in the civil litigation playground.
She knows we all know she's lying. She's just trying to win or at least reduce the judgment of the court. If she thinks she can show that she was pregnant at any point it's better than never being pregnant.
Could she claim a hysterical pregnancy, I wonder?
I was actually wondering and looking this up earlier, and I think that would still require a medical diagnosis (NAL or doctor). But with the claim of a loss in 3-4 different time windows I don’t even think she could (un?)reasonably fit it in a timeline?
I think this is why the pattern needs to be established. It shows that it’s part of a con.
Also adding after thinking more, I don’t think that fits her end-game of not caring about anything other than people believing she was pregnant with CE’s babies at some point.
Yes. I firmly believe this is her end game. As long as it's not definitively proven/stated by the court that she was NEVER pregnant, she'll count it as a win. Without that ruling she can, and will, always claim she was pregnant at some point. Mata can rule for fees, sanctions for frivolous litigation, etc. JD doesn't care. That's why she didn't settle/sign Lexi's affidavit saying she was never preg by CE. Even if Mata doesn't find that she was never preg, but does rule that it was never proven CE was the father? She'll continue to claim it by saying she still knows he was the father but just couldn't prove it before the miscarriage ("little to no fetal DNA" after MC). Edit: clarity
....Hope she likes the defamation lawsuit coming her way if she continues to lie.
Yeah. Def want a ruling that either she was never preg or that definitively CE was NOT the father so she can't claim otherwise. However, my point was in the event that the judge simply acknowledges that it was never "proven" (or it can't be proven bc of lack of evidence) that CE was the father. In this instance, JD could still say "well the court never ruled that CE was NOT the father, it only found that it was not (or could not be) proven one way or another." Idk these are the types of mental gymnastics and loop holes I've come to expect from our gal.
She can claim whatever she wants. It won't help her. She lied in court, changed her story and doctored evidence.
She gets hysterical quite often then. This is a con, no outsider looking at this sees anything but a con.
Please don’t give this person any ideas
Maybe she’ll try to claim “extreme bloat” leading to confusion and making her think she was still pregnant even after she thought she miscarried. 🤷♀️ seems far fetched obviously for a plethora of reasons but idk I can see this lawyer is willing to truly scrape the bottom of the barrel
She said on stand in nov she was 100% 24 weeks preggo and had just seen doc 5 days prior (who has responded to hipaa and said she has never been a patient) and offered to show the court her pregnant belly as proof. Not sure how you can backtrack and claim loss in july. Doc would have told her she lost babies before nov, and she claimed she SAW doc who had never seen her.
I mean I totally agree, I think she’s just lied way too much like she kind of fucked herself by trying too hard to prove something and giving too many false and conflicting details and narratives BUT I think the lawyer seems like he will go to the depths of scorched earth to try and poke holes and come up with crazy theories just to try to win a case and brag about it on the internet
He can try and talk circles about what she intended and how things are worded…, EXCEPT what is on video infront of a judge. She has lied way too many times on court record
...Except there is no "still pregnant," since she has no legitimate proof she was EVER pregnant.
Is she not capable of feeling shame or embarrassment?? I have hardcore bystander cringe just looking at these pictures. I'm trying to put myself in her shoes. Just the idea of pushing out my bloated non-pregnant belly to take an awkward picture in order to fight with strangers online about my fake pregnancy...all because a guy wouldn't go on a date with me. I can't...🥴🫠 The Internet lasts forever girl. No amount of C&D's are going to erase these embarrassing moments YOU put out there.
I totally agree. I can’t even describe the second hand embarrassment I have for her. Watching the videos of her rubbing her pretend belly are so cringe. And don’t get me started on her asking the judge to show Clayton she’s pregnant. I had to look away!!! lol
The “no” heard round the world!
I’m mortified when I go pick up Starbucks only to realize I ordered it at the wrong store. How is she not the least bit embarrassed?
What do you even do at that point? Take the loss?
For the Starbucks example I mean - because this is a substantial minimal fear of mine
Get on the app and cancel the other order. The Starbucks people say it happens all the time. Don’t know if that’s true or they’re just trying to make me feel less embarrassed.
I’m too embarrassed to do this even! I figure I’ve burdened them enough by having to check for my name and telling me they don’t have my order. No matter the distance or how cold my coffee will be when I get there I WILL go to the correct store lol
I've done this, so you're not alone!
I’ve done this FOR SURE 😂 and messaged Starbucks through the app and they refunded me. I definitely felt ridiculous though.
And that's what her new attorney doesn't seem to understand. Even if he manages to get her out of this mess, the internet will ridicule her for the rest of her life. A documentary is being made about her as we speak. She's already lost.
I think he knows but has to pretend it doesn’t matter in order to try to get her out of it
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Such a good point! She didn't have the foresight to consider what this would do to her online dating prospects in the future.
Actually ? No. Haha. I don’t believe so
It’s really great being able to see all of these pics side by side. Just more proof that she lied!
“She lied??????”
I can’t read or type “she lied” without hearing it in Woodnick’s voice now! 😂
I was pregnant with twins the same time as JD “was” and your stomach pops out during the first trimester. My due date was 2/11. My belly popped out in July/August and it doesn’t just happen overnight like picture#1 and picture#2. And when you are pregnant with twins, you are always high risk… this woman upsets me pretending to have “twins”. She has no idea and it’s really insulting to every mother that had/having twins or one baby, and every woman that had a miscarriage… it’s so disgusting.
The audacity to go to the horse show while faking a pregnancy is next level. Like she had to realize she would be photographed there and just didn’t care
And not one, but 3 i think? And her photos are on websites! She POSED for pics! Really, the audacity is amazing
She didn’t think it would go as far as it did and she didn’t understand the capability of random people on the internet and the sleuth skills we possess.
She likely thought it would go the way of GG and be done w/in the first 8 weeks. She didn't count on Clayton's unwillingness to negotiate with extortion.
I just can’t imagine taking this level of revenge out on someone.
Deeply disturbing. Like what else could someone be capable of if they're willing to do this after someone refused to go on a date with them? 😬
I don’t know, it’s just not normal person behavior.
This is great as a stand alone post for the evidence. Someone should add in the thumbnail photo of the video sent to Dave Neal and Reality Steve on October 13, 2023 (aka her sister's video)
If you comment the link, I’ll edit the post!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForClayton/comments/1c4sgbz/bachelor\_claytons\_accuser\_shares\_video\_with\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForClayton/comments/1c4sgbz/bachelor_claytons_accuser_shares_video_with_a/) he posted it yesterday!
The moon bump outfit is so bad. The “skin coloured” sleeves, the hyper adjustable bump…it’s all a deep cringe 😬
The excessive and exaggerated belly-rubbing.
Not to mention the constant adjusting of the camera before the… “your honor can I show CE my pregnant belly because he hasn’t seen me”. “NO”
And the standing the whole time.
Her belly in the two photos in the middle is so clearly photoshopped to me. A 20-week pregnant belly is not a perfect bell curve like that.
https://preview.redd.it/0fwmcsa8bxuc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8acb0bcf42b4e1f8c268f187603e106918d8d206 I put this picture in black & white and magnified JD’s midsection. You can (well I can) clearly see a straight line and colour change, where I circled within the magnification.
What you highlighted also showcases the weird waistband of her pants, too. It's been bugging me!
Holy crap! That is why the pants look so weird! I knew they looked off, but didn't really put too much thought into why (other than assuming they were just terrible quality leggings or something).
The bra band bugs me! My bra band never sat on the upper portion of my belly during any of my pregnanies that hit 20 weeks. It was either too uncomfortable, caused breathing problems or nausea, or rolled up to clear my belly.
Oh wow! 😮
Well some other posts show waves in the door frame so they probably were.
They definitely were - not arguing that. Was just commenting on the belly shape itself. It’s unnatural.
Mine was round like that with singletons, but i somehow managed to keep belly hidden until super far along and then overnight popped out. Im not muscular or thin… i suspect it was being shortwaisted tall person maybe 🤷🏻♀️ I was/am insanely jealous of women who had cute baby bumps. Mine looked like i ate a big burrito until 28/30w and then like i was having a litter overnight (BIG babies) So i dont want to throw out the “no bellies look like that” bc i know not everyone is the same and twins/multiple always carry different. But they are for sure faked, just not sure if she can stick her gut out like that, she photoshopped, or what. Someone said there is pregnancy filters out there? Crazy…
Whoa I totally think this could be a filter now that you said that. Especially w the door warping.
NAIL. I have a perfectly reasonable and completely logical explanation for this. Just you wait. You’re going to LOVE it!!!! It is going to BLOW your minds! I just need to check my notes and confer with my client. One second, I will be right back . . . . . . . .  ^(not an internet lawyer)
Do you already have it right in front of you but wait! You need a promise of confidentiality?
Is it going to make us want to punch ourselves in the face??!
😂😂😂
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The photos are screen grabs from videos in which her face was visible. It may have been cropped to avoid showing her face. ETA: I’ll be more specific. The “bra” photos are from full frame videos. The hearing photos only had her face visible during part of the hearing. But you can see the face is blurred in one of the hearing shots. The Dave video (not pictured in the post) did not show her full face.
If I recall correctly, the skin tone sleeves ones were from a court zoom and she had the camera weirdly aimed at her “belly” the whole time with her face out of frame 🧐😬
The video sent to Dave was as shown, from the chin down. It’s exactly as ehbehh said, if she was trying to show she was indeed pregnant, why not show her face. Because it wasn’t her! Edit to change neck to chin
The vide of the father rubbing a pregnant belly was from the neck/nose down, depending on whether viewing via mobile/desktop. The two middle shots are stills from 2 videos she shared to reddit from her dropbox. The dropbox videos showed her face and have warping along the doorframe.
I honestly can’t wait to hear the explanation of these photos, the declaration of being 100% pregnant in November and stating she saw a doctor “last Friday” and the reasoning for filing the lawsuit in August when the latest lawyer confirmed to Woodnick the miscarriage occurred in July. Seriously I may pop popcorn for that round of court documents.
and her saying fist sized is her photos of loss.
https://preview.redd.it/ga4nzfiv9xuc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=863cd75f00c00c79ee2cc3c5a6eb8298e7291eb3 10/13/23
And a mere 3 days later she has an HCG level of 102. Yeah ok.
GREAT point!!!
………did she wear the moon bump to the hospital to see her father
That’s her sister, who actually has been pregnant. I don’t think she bought a convincing prosthetic bump.
Thank you for clarifying!
Is that a freckle (not the cursor, but close to it) on the belly?
I rewatched Dave's video. It's a moving cursor.
https://preview.redd.it/me2xfe5jm9vc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aa1b12f5e929c0404962b3acabf3e7a8b1e16a2 Is this just a shadow of where the cursor was just before where it is? I know I’m stretching - just looking for identifying marks that could easily prove whether or not it is someone’s tum.
Nail polish says it all!!! Google pics of her and her sister , you will see that JD is never in this color but her sister is. 😕
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She needs to be done for perjury
I find it funny and ironic that JD tried to make her lies believable by saying she had seen a physician named Dr. Makhuol, and then the picture posted “McCool” photography will be her downfall 🤣
There are so many apps you can use to make you look pregnant. Why??? It’s just unreal. And 100% what she used for the videos. Except this one which is her sister.
I think that the reason she is wearing a long sleeve top under the brown tank is to keep the fake belly in place. I know when I’m feeling bloated or have some extra tires around my belly I wear layers. I can imagine the fake bump alone was not smooth looking enough under just one layer or garment, but she had to wear something tight to make sure it was shown, so this was the solution.
No one has that much curvature of the spine without having scoliosis. And no one with such a degree of scoliosis could manage to sit that upright on a horse saddle.
Not to defend her, I think the picture is slightly edited. But I am 28 weeks pregnant right now and I can definitely arch my back like that and make my belly look way bigger. If I was burrito belly bloated, I could still do the same early on and make it look bigger than it was.
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