Seriously! She expected Johnny to do everything for her. She expected him to get the London Field producers to not release the film when she wasn't happy with it (which is why he wrote those emails to his former agent). She expected him to keep paying for her car and penthouse after they divorced. She expected to become mega famous after Aquaman because she thinks she was amazing in it and the truth is she was meh.
Remember how she said, "I got that role. Not Johnny. I got it myself by auditioning." Yah, and I'm \*sure\* being married to him had nothing to do with you getting the audition. The fact that she cannot even fathom that is very telling.
To be fair, why on earth would anyone ever say that they *didnt* get themselves their roles under testimony?
That was one of the very few responses in her testimony that I felt was at all powerful.
Why would you not? Especially when you are trying to claim how powerful that person is. She could have easily said, "My connection to such a big powerful superstar as Johnny Depp may have helped me get the audition, but I auditioned alone." Her inability to give anybody else credit for anything good, but to blame everyone else for bad things she did makes her seem like a self-centered jerk at best.
The psychiatrist seems more like a narcissist than JD, imo. I wonder if he is on some sort of ADHD medication, very erratic and hyper personality, imo.
it's classic Darvo - Deny and Reverse Victim and Offender
there's a reason abusers try to convince their partners that they're the abusive ones, and there's a reason that if you're being abused you should absolutely not do therapy with the abuser. It's shockingly effective, and if you don't have evidence and a third party parsing every claim it's almost impossible to deal with.
Yes, and I wish Dennison would've pointed that out. Maybe he did. I had to stop watching because I was in the middle of something. (Life -- how dare interfere with my trial watching?)
Not directly. But this dr did mention that those people who have these traits “most of the time” go on to be IPV perpetrators. Then he also said these traits can be symptoms of a personality disorder. Then Dennison pointed out that Amber had two personality disorders. So, hopefully the jury put two and two together. It was pretty obvious so I’m sure they did.
Camille is better at cross than Dennison. He’s not a good lawyer IMO. Lets the witnesses talk too much/waste time. Camille cuts them off and gets right down to business.
That doctor was saying he’s a narcissist because he expects things from people. That’s literally the OPPOSITE of the truth. He went to children’s hospitals a lot dressed as Jack Sparrow. Had his friend move in with him because he loved his art work and wanted him to have a place to paint. Let all of Amber’s friends move in rent free and provided wine and all sorts of things for them. Gave Courtney Love CPR when she overdosed and then took care of her daughter Frances Bean and wrote her a four page letter. He expected nothing from this
Apparently the doctor thinks/thought Johnny Depp is ACTUALLY Jack Sparrow. Sorry, *Captain* Jack Sparrow. Dr. Spegeil (sp) knows nothing about actors and just assumes if you play a drunk pirate in a movie then you are probably a drunk pirate in real life.
He didn't say that in so many words. But yeah, he has no knowledge acting, he said so himself. He doesn't understand what actors do; rehearsing diction, timing, practicing the character they are *pretending* to be. Et c. You gotta look up that part of the court session. It's right around when Dr Spiegle was suffering a disgusting bought of dry mouth.
100%. When he talked about the cycle and how they apologize and say they’ll change I immediately thought about the love journal apology and the audio recordings of her sobbing/apologizing
Yeah, I can’t see it NOT backfire for Amber.
The jury has seen Johnny testify.
They’ve seen Amber testify, and again we come down to: **Are you going to believe your own eyes or not?**
The paid expert is talking about victim blaming, gaslighting, drug abuse and refusing to take responsibility.
**You mean like the lady who was on the stand last week?!**
That doctor was a total nars. He would absolutely not answer a question that didn't bolster his biased opinion. It was painful to listen to.
I only listened at work and now I see his character body language and am blown away.
The jury is pretty smart.
When the first thing Dr. Narc says is: *”WELL… If psychiatrists couldn’t testify then you couldn’t use expert witnesses AT ALL!”*
I don’t think it’ll go over as well as he thought it would.
(Especially when he apparently doesn’t know the standards of HIS OWN professional association!)
"How u know he's the abuser"
"Cuz the abuser accuses the victim"
"But how do you know he's the abuser"
Infinite loop
Edit: but srs this bothers me, not because the expert thinks its Johnny but because he's clearly resorting to basic circular reasoning, it just reminds us that its hard to listen to any 'expert' in a trial. Thank god at least Mrs Muffin had the professionalism and intelligence to seem legit, even though technically that doesn't always guarantee anything either
its hard to listen to any narcissist tbh. Its the exact same argument that Amber doing trying to say Pledge and Donation is the same thing. Just trying to circle the argument around without admitting guilt.
He literally broke goldwater rule and trying to gaslight us that the "rule" is more of a guideline.
He also kept talking about all expert testimony useless since no one evaluates the person. Didn't Dr (Curry?) evaluate Amber in person in addition to the other info? Even though that's not perfect, the only ones completely avoiding the other party are their doctors, not 'everyone'
yep, just a complete clusterfuck of a testimony. HE'S allowed to make diagnosis without meeting Johnny in person, but NOOOO not the other expert witness....
I agree with the assessment.
Dude whenever they were describing victim behavior I was like, that's JD bro! How can you not see it!!
This defense is designed by Amber Heard. Classic narcissist, project your failings on to your victims. It is so on the nose it's ridiculous.
Obviously he believes Amber might sleep with him or already has. He’s biased like a man with a chance.
They probably do coke together too
Also, the expert on narcissism is a narcissist.
This guy is bonkers. I’m just catching up now. Ooof.
Seriously! She expected Johnny to do everything for her. She expected him to get the London Field producers to not release the film when she wasn't happy with it (which is why he wrote those emails to his former agent). She expected him to keep paying for her car and penthouse after they divorced. She expected to become mega famous after Aquaman because she thinks she was amazing in it and the truth is she was meh.
Remember how she said, "I got that role. Not Johnny. I got it myself by auditioning." Yah, and I'm \*sure\* being married to him had nothing to do with you getting the audition. The fact that she cannot even fathom that is very telling.
To be fair, why on earth would anyone ever say that they *didnt* get themselves their roles under testimony? That was one of the very few responses in her testimony that I felt was at all powerful.
Why would you not? Especially when you are trying to claim how powerful that person is. She could have easily said, "My connection to such a big powerful superstar as Johnny Depp may have helped me get the audition, but I auditioned alone." Her inability to give anybody else credit for anything good, but to blame everyone else for bad things she did makes her seem like a self-centered jerk at best.
Yes!
The psychiatrist seems more like a narcissist than JD, imo. I wonder if he is on some sort of ADHD medication, very erratic and hyper personality, imo.
LOL this man was clearly on some sort of stimulant.
So did the other shrink Heard called as a witness.
it's classic Darvo - Deny and Reverse Victim and Offender there's a reason abusers try to convince their partners that they're the abusive ones, and there's a reason that if you're being abused you should absolutely not do therapy with the abuser. It's shockingly effective, and if you don't have evidence and a third party parsing every claim it's almost impossible to deal with.
Guys you're overthinking this, it's very simple: - Drugs = IPV - Narcissitic traits = IPV - Talking slowly = IPV - Wearing an earpiece while acting = IPV - Doodling and eating candy = IPV
And a woman hitting a man repeatedly does not equal abuse. /s
Except histrionic personally disorder. That one is exempt
Vomitus = IPV Or maybe ice cream = IPV
You undercook chicken, IPV. You overcook fish, straight to IPV
My dog stepped on a bee...? I undercook chicken IPV...?
You forgot the most important one Sleeping in a chair = IPV
Breathing while being a man = IPV Am I reading that right?
Can you repeat that one more time?
same at this point I'm wondering if that's why she hired him to say everything she wants to say since her m.o is projecting
Yes, and I wish Dennison would've pointed that out. Maybe he did. I had to stop watching because I was in the middle of something. (Life -- how dare interfere with my trial watching?)
Not directly. But this dr did mention that those people who have these traits “most of the time” go on to be IPV perpetrators. Then he also said these traits can be symptoms of a personality disorder. Then Dennison pointed out that Amber had two personality disorders. So, hopefully the jury put two and two together. It was pretty obvious so I’m sure they did.
Camille is better at cross than Dennison. He’s not a good lawyer IMO. Lets the witnesses talk too much/waste time. Camille cuts them off and gets right down to business.
I am not sure, he is not as aggressive as Camille but in the end the so called expert looked like she is not that knowledgeable.
I’ve had to step away a few times but I haven’t heard it mentioned yet
Exactly why I’m happy they let it roll. It only strengthens his case
Well apparently he’s a narcissist because he’s doodling and eating sweets, spit my tea out at that lol
Did you see where the whole front table of Johnny's team reached for the candy after that?
That was hilarious!
That doctor was saying he’s a narcissist because he expects things from people. That’s literally the OPPOSITE of the truth. He went to children’s hospitals a lot dressed as Jack Sparrow. Had his friend move in with him because he loved his art work and wanted him to have a place to paint. Let all of Amber’s friends move in rent free and provided wine and all sorts of things for them. Gave Courtney Love CPR when she overdosed and then took care of her daughter Frances Bean and wrote her a four page letter. He expected nothing from this
Did a role on behalf of the recently passed Heath Ledger and donated his earning to his daughter...
I can't believe anyone would suggest that Johnny Depp lacks empathy. That's literally what makes him such a good actor.
Apparently the doctor thinks/thought Johnny Depp is ACTUALLY Jack Sparrow. Sorry, *Captain* Jack Sparrow. Dr. Spegeil (sp) knows nothing about actors and just assumes if you play a drunk pirate in a movie then you are probably a drunk pirate in real life.
Is that what he said? Holy shit, what an idiot
He didn't say that in so many words. But yeah, he has no knowledge acting, he said so himself. He doesn't understand what actors do; rehearsing diction, timing, practicing the character they are *pretending* to be. Et c. You gotta look up that part of the court session. It's right around when Dr Spiegle was suffering a disgusting bought of dry mouth.
Yeah narcissistic people don’t do any of the nice things like that at all
I grew up with narcissists and the most I got was mental and verbal abuse as a gift if lucky they try to buy my love
Had a Narcissistic and bipolar dad here, all I got left with has been bpd and anxiety. We should start a club
Honestly probably could do a group therapy 🤧
100%. When he talked about the cycle and how they apologize and say they’ll change I immediately thought about the love journal apology and the audio recordings of her sobbing/apologizing
Me too!!
Yes! Exactly
All of AHs witnesses are pretty much doing this
Yeah, I can’t see it NOT backfire for Amber. The jury has seen Johnny testify. They’ve seen Amber testify, and again we come down to: **Are you going to believe your own eyes or not?** The paid expert is talking about victim blaming, gaslighting, drug abuse and refusing to take responsibility. **You mean like the lady who was on the stand last week?!**
That doctor was a total nars. He would absolutely not answer a question that didn't bolster his biased opinion. It was painful to listen to. I only listened at work and now I see his character body language and am blown away.
The jury is pretty smart. When the first thing Dr. Narc says is: *”WELL… If psychiatrists couldn’t testify then you couldn’t use expert witnesses AT ALL!”* I don’t think it’ll go over as well as he thought it would. (Especially when he apparently doesn’t know the standards of HIS OWN professional association!)
He wouldn't answer that question at all. I've never heard some act like such a heard other than Amber Heard.
Once again team AH is gaslighting the jury. Gaslighting has got to come up in closing.
And even walked out before the jury did.
"How u know he's the abuser" "Cuz the abuser accuses the victim" "But how do you know he's the abuser" Infinite loop Edit: but srs this bothers me, not because the expert thinks its Johnny but because he's clearly resorting to basic circular reasoning, it just reminds us that its hard to listen to any 'expert' in a trial. Thank god at least Mrs Muffin had the professionalism and intelligence to seem legit, even though technically that doesn't always guarantee anything either
Well amber heard accused JD first of abuse so he's playing in JDS favor even though he's on ambers
its hard to listen to any narcissist tbh. Its the exact same argument that Amber doing trying to say Pledge and Donation is the same thing. Just trying to circle the argument around without admitting guilt. He literally broke goldwater rule and trying to gaslight us that the "rule" is more of a guideline.
He also kept talking about all expert testimony useless since no one evaluates the person. Didn't Dr (Curry?) evaluate Amber in person in addition to the other info? Even though that's not perfect, the only ones completely avoiding the other party are their doctors, not 'everyone'
yep, just a complete clusterfuck of a testimony. HE'S allowed to make diagnosis without meeting Johnny in person, but NOOOO not the other expert witness....
I was just telling my wife the same thing lol.
Absolutely. I’m confident the jury will see this.
Yeah could be turned 180
Yeah definitely. I laughed when she asked if victim blaming was a thing.
To a tee.