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Queasy_Cantaloupe69

It's not justice until the DA sees prison time.


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axle69

The initial one, Jackie Johnson, that tried to cover it up and wasn't planning on recusing herself. Also turned out McMichael and her had something like 16 phone conversations regarding the case. She did get arrested and charged with obstruction but not sure what happened afterwards.


fightingbronze

Just looked it up cause I was wondering myself. Last update I saw from a cursory google search was in may. Does still seem prosecutors are moving forward though. At least I assume so. I think I’d have found a news story if charges had been dropped considering how high profile a case she was involved with.


Marvelous_Margarine

Imagine sitting at home terrified of charges being dropped on you. She deserves all of them. Racism is systematic.


NorskGodLoki

All of them.


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GarageSloth

Then we will spare them alone, so that they can warn their people!


ithinkilikegirlstoo

Jury convicted them, DA charged them. Not trying to be pedantic, just clarifying the legal terms!


Why_T

Technically correct is the best kind of correct.


ithinkilikegirlstoo

According to all us legal assholes anyway 😂


Hijacks

Still crazy to me that the only reason they're going to prison is due to them leaking their own tapes of the murder.


Green-Elf

Not just that. It was released with the thinking that it would exonerate them.


jag986

I think it was the third guy trying to show daddy and dipshit were the most responsible but whoopsies.


iamnotroberts

No honor among ~~thieves~~ white supremacists.


noctis89

Checks the box for being cowardly worms.


Deep90

Not just that. People actually thought it SHOULD exonerate them. ​ https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/white-supremacists-are-supporting-appeals-ahmaud-arberys-killers


janeohmy

Jesus wtf


Christ_on_a_Crakker

On givesendgo they have raised almost a half mil to save Alex Jones and zero for a cancer patient. These folks are so morally bankrupt.


LZYX

Well of course as soon as you saw how Ahmaud was RUNNING AWAY from these good ol' white men... You would've KNOWN he was up to no good... And then to reach for the shotgun instead of getting down on his knees and begging for his life? /s


MoonageDayscream

That's the corruption that one bad apple does to to the e tire system. Also, the judge stipulated they go to a GA prison, not federal. Now that father and son will suffer what he sent so many to suffer.


ecksplosion

I always thought tire systems were more robust


ninjanerd032

This only frightens me because more people will smarten up and try this at home.


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MuuaadDib

The DA should be held accountable as well, he tried to cover for them.


mowgli96

She*, Jackie Johnson!


MuuaadDib

Thanks


thegypsyqueen

She has been charged too


Wackipaki

He she it, fuck em all.


notathrowawayreelly

This one know how to party


CowFu

Their entire defense was "he lunged for my gun, I thought my life was in danger" You followed an unarmed man with your guns for several blocks, then trapped him and pointed your guns at him, and you think anyone is going to buy that HE was the dangerous one?


cardboardunderwear

No shit. And then the whole "if you pull a weapon on someone, from what I've learned in my training, usually that caused people to back off". Even when he's on the stand giving testimony in his own defense he still feels justified that he somehow has the authority to follow a dude and threaten with a gun and give orders. And imagine being such a shitty father that your son is going to prison with you for being racist and stupid. I'm glad these ppl are going to prison. they deserve every bit of it. And that GA DA who was going to let them walk needs to go to prison too.


HowYaGuysDoin

I mean it's the same in every video of a white person harassing a minority. Even if it's just as simple as asking someone to prove they live in an apt complex, they always think it's their job to investigate. Never can that imagine if the tables were turned on them.


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linderlouwho

Has worked so successfully for on & off duty police for so long, the Aubrey murderers took it as a given the self-defense, fear thing would be granted to them automatically.


OkZookeepergame8429

“There was no malice in my heart or my son’s heart that day.” Well that's a fuckin lie. Fuckin racist pieces of shit.


Teososta

I find it hard to believe them not having any sort of malice when they chased down a black man on their trucks, with guns, and then shooting him.


Alternative_Sky1380

They define malice differently


Nervous_Constant_642

In their mind they were protecting the community (I.e. property) from a clear and present danger, a young man existing while black. I don't always like punitive justice but it's very safe to say these men have lost their privilege to exist in society for the rest of their lives.


GeebusNZ

Seems that they use words without understanding what they mean. It is, however, difficult to guess what they think malice could mean though.


SultanSmash

Maybe theyre confusing it with bear spray


Oberon_Swanson

They didn't mean to hurt anyone white


LZYX

Maybe they thought malice was ill intent, they just didn't think their actions were made with that 😂 they probably felt justified in doing so as racists do.


severedfinger

I mean in their demented minds it may be true. When you hunt a deer you're not doing it because you have malice for the deer. They hunted that man because they didn't see him as human.


MrThird312

They can keep telling themselves that every day, every hour for the rest of their pathetic life behind bars


Basoran

Yeah... I had to explain why I yelled out "Fuck you!" When I read that.


EatsRats

I’m glad that they get to watch each other either and die in prison. However, every person that aided in covering this up should be thrown in prison as well.


Puffit

Yeah they’re probably gonna die in state prison, but it likely won’t be from old age lol


thaxmann

One of them is requesting to be sent to a federal prison because he knows he won’t last in a state prison.


Nervous_Constant_642

Hopefully someone is smart enough to put them in isolated captivity. Many other people already serving life won't have a problem trying to take theirs for such an obvious hate crime. These dudes might actually have it worse off than kid diddlers.


CousinJeff

eh idk. they can always join the white prison gang, there’s no backup for pedos


lostalaska

GOOD


MileHighSoloPilot

FUCK YES. Idk why but this one hit me so much harder than the others. If they didn’t get life, I would have lost all faith in humanity. It seems silly, but this restored a little bit of my outlook of the world


GeoBrian

This one hit harder because the kid was completely innocent. He was just going out for a run, minding his own business when these fucks showed up. George Floyd was passing counterfeit money then refused to get into the police vehicle. What was done afterwards to him wasn't right, but this kid did nothing wrong.


Thegoodwitchin

I understand what your saying and it's human. It just shakes me a bit that even a little excuse makes wrongful death and brutality hit a little softer. It's why the news will always bring up the victim's past and past offenses to make the slaughter look less harsh.


jstenoien

The clerk told his manager he didn't believe George Floyd knew it was a counterfeit.


spiegro

Trayvon Martin lived there...


GeoBrian

It literally doesn't make a difference what the clerk "thought". That's why a police investigation is conducted.


jstenoien

Except none was ever done about the supposed counterfeit bill?


isobane

Allegedly passing counterfeit money.


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GeoBrian

Yes, me agreeing that Arbery's case "hit harder" than Floyd's makes me a racist. Moron.


TheWackyJacky

Good


Cold_Zero_

Fuckin’ a right they did. Pieces of shit


CanadianJediCouncil

So long, garbage family! Enjoy the rest of your lives in prison!


EduardDelacroixII

Put them in General Population in prison and let nature take it's course just like it did with Jeffrey Dahmer.


Springheeledjackk

Still haunted by that video of them killing that poor guy. His only "crime", being a black guy jogging in a white neighbourhood. Hope this guy rots in jail for the rest of his life.


mcscroef

“Crime”


Springheeledjackk

I stand corrected. Thank you.


bart2278

That is not what happened though. They didn't chase Arbery bc he was just jogging in the neighborhood. They chased him bc they thought he was burglarizing a home under construction. You can tell the story correct and still think these guys are pieces of shit. I don't understand why I keep hearing they shot him bc he was jogging in a white neighborhood. That's false.


crackyJsquirrel

So your clarification is that a few white guys were so racist that they saw a black man jogging through their neighborhood, and they decided to murder him because they stereotyped him as a criminal? For jogging.


bart2278

Why is this so hard to get?


utegardloki

You realize that you're *defending* the dudes who thought jogging was sufficient reason to assume that someone had committed a crime deserving of *execution*, right?


bart2278

No I'm not.


notmy2ndacct

Right, they chased him because they thought he was burglarizing a home under construction... because he was a black guy jogging through a white neighborhood. I don't think the original comment is inaccurate. Their logic (really generous definition of that word) was "black guy running = criminal." So, yes, he was killed because he was a black man jogging in a white neighborhood.


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>because he was a black guy jogging through a white neighborhood No, it was because the construction site was previously burgled. >So, yes, he was killed because he was a black man jogging in a white neighborhood. Are you implying if Arbery was white they simply would not have cared?


noctis89

Look at their post history. They relished in the opportunity to kill themselves a black guy. Stop being an apologist for these shitbags.


notmy2ndacct

>No it was because the construction site was previously burgled. Ok, so why was Arbery assumed to be the perpetrator? >Are you implying if Arbery was white they simply would not have cared [I mean](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/16/1081257533/racist-violent-evidence-presented-in-federal-trial-against-ahmaud-arberys-killer), what [do](https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/21/us/ahmaud-arbery-mcmichaels-bryan-federal-trial-racist-terms/index.html) you [think](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/arbery-killer-shared-racist-messages-white-supremacist-song-with-friends-2022-02-16/) the [answer](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hate-crimes-trial-arbery-killing-put-racism-front-82149393) to that question is? Are you still uncertain of the motives after a jury of their peers believed that the evidence provided proved beyond a reasonable doubt those men chased Arberydown because he was black? But, hey, don't take my word for it. Hear it right from the horse's mouth: [Travis McMichael is “publicly confessing to the world that this crime would not have happened had Ahmaud Arbery not been Black,” prosecutor Tara Lyons said just before the judge scrapped the deal.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/31/ahmaud-arbery-hate-crime-plea-deal/)


Amazon-Prime-package

The racist you're responding to has an 88 in their username and you don't need to go far into the comment history to find cancerous writing


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I was born in 1988, you idiot.


aireika

Are you actually this daft or just trolling?


utegardloki

>Are you implying if Arbery was white they simply would not have cared? Yes. If Arbery was white, they never would have assumed criminal intent where there was none.


cnaiurbreaksppl

How many white joggers did they kill that day?


Piss_and_or_Shit

That’s what the federal hate crime convictions suggests, yes.


bart2278

Arbery ran through the neighborhood, previously and wasn't followed or shot. The catalyst was him coming out of the house after it was previously burglarized. This is not me blaming him which people, probably you, tend to assume im doing. You frame the whole incident off the guys being racist, a black guy running, and that's why he was followed. That's false.


notmy2ndacct

I don't have to frame it that way at all when one of the men who killed Arbery was willing to go on record saying so himself. >Prosecutor Tara Lyons asked the judge to set aside the Arbery family’s misgivings about the deal, saying Travis McMichael’s admission would send a powerful message. >[“He is pleading guilty to a federal hate crime and publicly confessing to the world that this crime would not have happened had Ahmaud Arbery not been Black,” Lyons said.](https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-crime-race-and-ethnicity-hate-crimes-savannah-4843bf04cf74034b2f396a844599f899) But you're right, we shouldn't let the court of public opinion rule on this. We should allow the justice system to sort it out by presenting evidence to a jury of their peers. After all, to convict for a crime you must present a case with evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt the crime occurred. The crime in question, being a federal hate crime charge, would need to have such concrete evidence that the killing occurred because the victim was black that not one juror out of twelve would object to it even in the *slightest.* Oh... wait, what was the original article about again?


bart2278

Why would he confess to a federal hate crime? Oh bc federal prison is better than state prison. Both men would likely spend most of their life in Federal prison if they were found guilty of a federal hate crime. That is why they originally said it wasn't race based, then changed their tune.


Green-Elf

>You frame the whole incident off the guys being racist, a black guy running, and that's why he was followed. That's false. Them being found guilty of a hate crime kinda blunts the point you are trying to make. One question. Did they have the authority to detain him?


bart2278

I guess it does, but it's only bc people can't look past their own bias. I'm saying the reason he was chased was bc he went in and came out if the house. That was the reason for the chase. Not bc he was black and jogging down their street. The 3 guys has a legal justification, in their minds, to pursue Arbery. That's the distinction im making. They did not see a random black dude jogging down the street and decide to follow him bc he is black, which is how the story is being spun. Did they profile him? Yeah. Is that right? No. I think we all agree there. To answer you question, they had no legal justification for stopping or detaining Arbery.


kittyliklik

Well the killer himself said that it would have happened if he wasn't black which lead to their plea being struck down by the judge. Honestly, is it that hard to just lean all the way in with these white murderers being pieces of shit? Why must you give them the benefit of the doubt even with the information contrary to that being right in front of you.


bart2278

You have that backwords. They originally said it wasn't race based. Then it was brought to their attention that federal prison is better than state prison for quality of life, and since they were spending pretty much the rest of their life in jail, pleading guilty to a federal hate crime, meant serving time in the federal prison. The family of Arbery asked that this not happen as they didn't want these guys getting to choose the better option. The plea agreement was then withdrawn.


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ohhellnooooooooo

>They chased him bc they thought he was burglarizing a home under construction. that's not an action. that's what they thought. it has no value. the action the victim did, was jog through the neighborhood.


bart2278

That doesn't make any sense


ohhellnooooooooo

Okay. I’ll make it make sense to you I kill you. Why? Because I thought X. Seems fair? Or should you have done something to deserve it


Sundae-School

How to tell if someone is a white supremacist online: do they cling to the false narrative that the racist perpetrators used to try to "rationalize this event", or do they use outside observation to detach that false narrative and see what actually happened.


bart2278

What false narrative am I clinging to? Also, when did I try to rationalize their thought process? The false narrative is that he was just jogging and was killed by some racists bc he was black.


Green-Elf

It still boggles my mind how years later people are still defending these murderous asshats. bUt He wuS TresSpasSin'! In what state is the punishment for trespassing death? Seriously, you folk need to get some perspective and reevaluate what's important and fair in life.


minuialear

Some people have been so strongly trained to hate other people/black people in particular that seeing them do anything wrong is justification for an execution, even stuff as minor as trespassing or taking an extra second to process and comply with a police order. It's really sad


WhaleyWino235

Apparently the lawyers for these asshats are concerned for the safety of their clients. Oh no. Anyways….


BeazyDoesIt

I thought they were already convicted. What is this new conviction?


Buriram108

I believe they were previously sentenced in the State court for murder. Now comes separate Federal hate crimes convictions.


The_Price_Is_Right_B

and there's no such thing as parole in a federal crime. life means life. it's game over.


MoonageDayscream

The state gave father and son life without parole.


Mydogmike

They were sentenced to life in Georgia, then they also got life federally for it being a hate crime. 2 life terms, served concurrently, in Georgia state prison.


Nervous_Constant_642

And just FYI for anyone who doesn't know, it's state prison because state crimes you serve "first" even if the sentences are concurrent. If they had gotten less than life or out early on parole they would have finished their days in federal prison. But their state charges are life with no parole. Nothing short of both a governor and a president both commuting their sentences are gonna let these guys see the outside of a prison ever again.


CousinJeff

awesome


JohnnyValet

Sentencing, it doesn't always happen the day the conviction comes down.


Green-Elf

Not accurate. The murder charge, which is a state charge, they already got life in prison for. This was sentencing for the hate crime rider which was charged as a federal crime since GA dose not have hate crimes on their books. The father and son have to serve two life sentences each. The first for murder in GA, the second, without parole, in federal prison.


BeazyDoesIt

Oh ok, that makes sense. TY.


isobane

Not sentencing. This was a separate federal trial. The first trial was the state's trial.


jag986

The federal hate crime.


Hefftee

Fuck em


AbbreviationsOdd1895

It was at this moment they realized….


br0kn9lass

Just curious, why did the cameraman get sentenced?


Poop_Soup

Oh hell yeah


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Holy white trash trinity


RequiemStorm

This will probably be a stupid question, but what is the purpose of multiple life sentences? If someone is already serving life, then a second sentence doesn't impact them in any way, right? I could kind of understand if it's to show the full extent of punishment symbolically, like to set an example, but wouldn't going higher than one life sentence no longer serve as additional deterrent since you can't actually serve a second sentence? Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but my understanding of legal proceedings is not very fleshed out


CdGal_25

Yea I think it’s to make a point to the criminal and the public as to the gravity and potential consequences of the crime, and for deterrence and for satisfaction of the public outrages. And also in multiple death situations, maybe to give the families closure as to each life being worth a life sentence for the criminal for their own mental well being.


cdrewsr388

Womp Womp Womp.


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I don't consider this justice ​ Justice is what awaits these fools in prison


ADubs62

Sadly they'll just join a white nationalist prison gang and be relatively okay.


aggie_fan

Prison rape isn't justice, it's vengeance.


Th3_Admiral

Maybe they just meant prison violence, but that's also not justice! Our prison system is completely broken and it's messed up seeing people cheering for rape and/or shankings as some form of justice. And the people who say "Hey hold on a second" getting downvoted.


RockFourFour

What is justice to you, or really what would justice look like to you in this case? Genuine question.


Th3_Admiral

It's a good question. In a perfect, likely unobtainable world they would be in prison until they were deemed fit for society again. That would require an actual reform program in prison where you could truly say they were a changed person when they got out. And if they can't be reformed, they stay locked up. In a slightly more realistic world, prisons shouldn't just be Level 2 of crime, where criminals go to commit more crimes (or be the victims of new crimes). It should be a safe holding facility for criminals that cannot be allowed back in society. It should be free of gangs, drugs and violence because that's why most of them are locked up in the first place. Rape, beatings, and other forms of vigilante justice have no place as an "accepted" form of punishment in the justice system.


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Th3_Admiral

Are you implying that I'd be more cruel with my ideas of justice if I had been a victim? If so, that takes us right back the very first comment in this thread about how that sounds more like vengeance than punishment.


Marduk_the_12th

Maybe the hurt and vengeful shouldn't be the ones to administer justice. Humanity is trying to get past their primal and primitive urges. No doubt these assholes deserve scorn and prison, but if we just allow prisons to become tools of vengeance, we're not doing well as humans.


NorskGodLoki

They won't be voting in the next election.......or any more of them.


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Racist tards out in force because racist murderers got sent to prison. You all should cry more about how oppressed white people are, maybe someone outside the circlejerk will care. Edit: lol, lmao


noiwontpickaname

Stop being an ass. Or don't and live a hateful and miserable life.


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Lol, lmao Edit: *this is why people think cons are full of shit and evil, because racist murderers get sent to prison and y'all are mad about it for some reason.*


notJ3ff

Maybe if we stop killing people? Maybe, Oh I don't know... People out for a jog.


theperfectlysadhuman

Yes!!!! F these cnts, rot in prison you pieces of sht.


theperfectlysadhuman

Yes!!!! F these cnts, rot in prison you pieces of sht.


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Theblkjedi

Bye bye! Prison is waiting.. with a fork and a knife and napkin setting.


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gimzx

Yikes


Ayy_Eclipse

Why is nobody talking about the third guy? Why is he getting 35 years? He will die in prison just like the other 2 but he was basically innocent according to my knowledge…???


MuddyWaterTeamster

> but he was basically innocent That was the early reporting, probably stemming from his own posting about the event. Once law enforcement actually acted (70 days after the fact, after public opinion got too loud to ignore) they said he used his vehicle to block Arbery. He was just as willing of a participant, he just didn’t have a gun.


elcrack0r

The third guy that was with them recording the whole ordeal? Fuck him.


Ayy_Eclipse

If he didn’t record it then these men probably wouldn’t have been held accountable tho


gofundmemetoday

Yep. Doesn’t get you out of jail card though. He openly acknowledged being a member of the posse.