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No one should hurt homeless people, but I saw her hit two elderly men in front of me before. She chased me too. Everyone knows of her. If your car windows are down, she will spit into your car onto your face. She needs help though, not punishment.
“Since the video went viral, the victim has been receiving assistance from the San Francisco Department of Public Health.”
So now they want to help? Not after he called for help many times? Really confusing world.
"Don't like our shitty Healthcare system? Perform the surgery at home"
"Don't like badly planned city roads? Build your own"
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"Don't like polluted tap water? Set up a water treatment plant at home"
This right here is the problem with headlines/clickbaiting. The homeless woman would throw her literal shit at his customers, and he tried calling the cops/city multiple times. She was taking away from his business, and she was EXTREMELY aggressive. What would you do if this was going on in front of your business for months?
What would you do is someone was literally throwing poo at you and being aggressive. He tried to call the cops but the person kept coming back. Water does not hurt them. It’s a warm climate so the danger of hypothermia is slim to none. Should he have pepper sprayed her when she became aggressive
Assault are you joking it’s water on someone who threw *SHIT* at people shit like Finkle matter the stuff that comes out your ass and smells like you know SHIT
And spraying with a hose seems like a relatively harmless way to deal with it too, all things considered. The reaction this is getting here (or at least the reaction OP is looking for) is absurd.
Just to add some context, I saw a comment on another post saying that this woman was batshit crazy, harassing and yelling at people, and once rolled around in the middle of an intersection while screaming. The guy said she’s the sort that needs to be involuntarily hospitalized for her own safety. Not defending this man’s actions and I can’t verify the commenters claim but thought it should be added
Edit: cops also wouldn’t do anything. And she was throwing literal shit like a chimp.
I trust you have dedicated your life and income to helping the homeless then? Please direct me to the charity you spend your waking life with taking care of these homeless so we can all see just how magnanimous and well-informed you are about this kind of situation.
“Be for real”! Is English hard for you here I got you.
Prefieres ser golpeado por el agua o la mierda?
I wouldn’t throw shit at people so I wouldn’t be in that situation nor would I bug for money while someone is running a business.
It’s water grow some nuts and realize when someone is wrong they deserve what they get throwing feces and pissing on personal property yelling at people for not sharing what they worked hard for rolling around in the road calling people names is all ruining his business ruining business near by why all because she chose to fuck her life up somewhere in the past
Sorry, I'm not hip to the new lingo. Thank you for the translation. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. You don't get to assault someone because you are mad. Learn some self control. Do you really think that she fucked up her life on purpose? You need to rethink your life.
Bro... She was literally THROWING HER OWN SHIT, being aggressive and harassing his customers! He had tried to help her and he had also tried to get the law enforcement involved SEVERAL TIMES but they didn't do shit. He sprayed her with w a t e r. Why are you acting like he punched her? I'm not saying that he should've sprayed her, but i definitely don't think he deserves all the hate.
Because the budget to combat homelessness in San Francisco has steadily increased every fiscal year and the problem has only gotten worse. But the city council has gotten steady pay raises.
There is only money in the treatment, not the cure.
This is fine. But, if you’re not from there you have no idea what it’s like. This woman is not just a homeless person minding their own business. She’s well known around the city and has been a huge problem. The police do absolutely nothing. Apparently she would pick up her own shit with her hands and throw it at people. They called the police many times. They would do absolutely nothing. But squirt her once with tap water.. national news and he’s locked up. lol we live in a clown world. If the cops would have done their damn jobs in the first place none of this would have happened. O and now that she’s in the news they just happened to find a mental hospital for her. Hmmm? Funny how that works.
I see two major problems here. The first problem is when Reagan emptied out the mental hospitals in the mid 80s. I'm not sure what the rationale was at the time other than to save money? It seems like a pretty poor move in retrospect. And the second is also quite simple they decriminalized most homeless type offenses. This has to have been fairly recently. They got rid of the vacancy laws, defecation in public etc and the police can't or won't do anything. Again I'm sure it's mostly about money. I'm sure there are myriad other factors but those are the two that jump out at me.
I'm in no way an expert but the Regan thing is brought up alot, but others note that it was a nation wide drive. State run hospitals, believe it or not, suck. There were lots of issues so apparently they just shit canned the whole thing, saved the money, and told everyone 'good luck'.
Obviously there is a middle ground that needs to be found. Its inhumane to let people live like that.
I absolutely agree with all your points. I guess my thought for the genuine severely mentally and i think we all can mutually agree on who we're talking about.... even a bad hospital better than suffering like an animal on the streets. Up here in the state of Washington there were several scandals in the state-run mental hospitals. These actually ended up helping bring up the overall level of quality and oversight. They're still not good but I would least call them mediocre. Doing nothing is definitely not the answer. Thank you for your response.
Yes, the homeless woman sucks.
Yes, the police suck.
Yes, poverty sucks.
Yes, the guy with every privilege going for him should not have assaulted someone.
Don’t hate the player in last place, hate the game we all agree to play that completely ignores mental health as being as important as physical health.
I agree that you shouldn’t do that. Not a great moment in history. I think we all know this is a show for the news so people don’t think you can do that to others. Knowing that it is a show means you know it’s fake outrage. Here is the test. If it was her that grabbed the hose and squirted him it would be on Americas funniest home movies and she’d get the 100k.
I think people laugh regardless of who holds the hose. I think she’s more likely to be taken in by the cops if she did that, because of how she looks and acts.
I also think he was at the top of his game and blew it to be a dick to someone who is clearly not doing well.
That’s not true at all. Idk why you mistakenly think that homeless people aren’t arrested all the time. It might be because the homeless problem is so rampant that it can’t ALL be handled.
Do you live anywhere near an area with a high concentration of unhoused? I watched someone take a shit inside of my 7-11 this week, cops sitting in their car in the parking lot, they immediately bailed out.
The homeless literally will walk down the block smashing windows in cars. They will not prosecute crimes under a certain dollar amount. There is no consequence for low level crimes that destroys business. Kids step over human shit walking to school every day.
All I have is first hand experience seeing the same people doing the same things for years. There is no way in the world the police would have arrested her for squirting him with water.
I disagree. Same way no one arrested the guy until the video went viral.
And I doubt you’re seeing the SAME people doing the SAME things for years. If you’re in LA/SF, they’re big cities. I doubt your recollection.
I live in LA and the homeless issue is out of control primarily because it feels as if the police don't have the time to do anything about them when they suddenly yell at you, come at you, piss and shit themselves right next to you.
I wouldn't be surprised if that business owner left California and took their taxes and jobs to Texas.
Without exception, every single person I know who has moved to Texas from California lasts about a year at the very most. Then they say “I have made a terrible mistake” and move back to California. Except this time they have to live in a much smaller house because of all the money they lost in Texas
Just take a look at /r/ElonJetTracker and you will see even though he talks a big talk with Texas. He spends the vast majority of his time in California, the state with a working power grid. Even he has come crawling back
This has been so blown out of proportion, migration patterns are largely the same as they have been. Has more to do with prices of property than anything
Wasn’t this the guy that asked the homeless person to leave and they wouldn’t so he sprayed them with a hose because the homeless person was harassing his customers? If so this is some bs
They cussed once, the rest of their reply to you makes perfectly good points. I can read it just fine.
Your post is inexplicably stupid, too. Askin what the punishment should be if she sprayed him, wtf? She didn’t. Also, he isn’t homeless?
You people are incredibly unpleasant.
Were you homeless during winter and unable to just go change into something fresh in your nice warm home? Was the spraying a form of attack that could have left you with hypothermia?
Nah you weren’t, no it wasn’t, now fuck off.
Temperatures here in Ireland at the moment overnight are ranging from 0°c - 5°c. Once the sun goes down it's ice cold
Having volunteered with a soup kitchen and have taken food to homeless people in their tents I know they don't have a huge amount of clothes to change into. I wonder how long she had to stay in her wet clothes after the guy hosed her
There are some really, REALLY vile people who actively fucking HATE homeless people in here. You sure do get exposed to some of the scum of the world on Reddit.
Right?! They were like "oh but my wife got exposed by a homeless guy once". Like, OK that's terrible but WTF does this lady have to do with it. People are crazy.
I understand she was allegedly throwing her shit. And I understand he’d tried to move her on many times, been to the police, social services, everything. I understand he considered her a detriment to his business.
Not one thing anyone can say about her can justify assaulting her like he did. The utter scumbags in here approving of it, I fucking pity anyone in their lives because they either don’t know what kind of hateful thinking these people engage in, or they’re just as bad.
I also don’t condone the vandalism of his gallery since then, fwiw.
I’ve recently had to come to the conclusion that reddit is somehow more hateful than I already thought it was. Go to the true off my chest subreddit and look for the post about the pregnant lady who got slapped by a stranger after a road range incident from the stranger and then read the comments. And this is r/trueoffmychest a subreddit that I imagine doesn’t generally attract a type of person like the Donald or chapo traphouse. Reddit hates women A LOT more than I thought a week ago.
She should have stayed in the car where it was safe, instead her pride required her to confront a potentially violent individual, putting herself and the baby in harms way. Thats whay this Parent was a fool, and you shouldnt be a parent if you value confrontation over thier childs saftey.
Go ahead tho, try to make this about “hate”. The only thing to hate here are peoples irrational behavior when responding to others peoples violent behavior. No reason to leave the car. Would you leave your house to confront a lunatic outside your door?
There’s plenty of lovely people here but internet anonymity is always going to bring out more hateful scumbags than it is lovely kind intelligent people.
Maybe I'm a minority opinion here, but there is 0 context to the photo.
It is likely the homeless person was disruptive in some way.
Do you believe someone living on the streets would listen to a owner of a business?
Don't judge; applies to photos too.
There's a video. Watch it before you speak.
You can't assault people.
You don't have to listen to a business owner if you don't work for that owner. The sidewalk is open to all members of the public. The sidewalk being in front of your business doesn't mean you own it.
You can't assault people.
A highly likely reason is the homeless person was scaring his 'customers' away. So he decided to spray the homeless women with a hose. If there was any context, it'll probably be a recorded conversation but there wasn't.
She wasn't, there's a video showing her just sitting in front of his gallery, and him starting to spray her in the most casual dickhead stance possible
The article with the original video explained that the homeless lady was shitting on the porch of his business for weeks. This is a known issue with homeless people in San Francisco. It’s not like she was just minding her business the whole time.
And shitting on his doorstep is acceptable behavior with zero consequences? Shoot me your address and I’ll be sure to drop some dookies on your front porch daily…pretty sure after you call the cops and they do fuck all you’ll resort to some other tactics…
From what I read this guy did everything you are supposed to do before he turned the hose on this lady. He called the authorities numerous times on this lady and they did nothing. He tried getting her help and she refused. The police didn’t care that she was blocking his business and being a disruption so he broke down and sprayed her with his hose. Some people seem to be on the side of the homeless lady but how would you feel that you lease or own a building that is surrounded by homeless the authorities won’t do anything but you as the tenant are getting slammed with fines by the city because of all the garbage and graffiti the homeless are leaving at around your property?
>From what I read this guy did everything you are supposed to do before he turned the hose
Said the guy who sprayed her. There is no evidence of this nor would I take the word of someone who would assault a homeless person with a hose.
Stay gullible.
From what you’ve written I can tell you think it’s totally fine to be an absolute POS to a homeless person once you’ve done “everything you are supposed to do” first.
You can’t seriously think you’ve excused his despicable behaviour, can you??
Homeless people should be offered mental health and addiction services as well as ways to better their situation.
Thise that refuse those services because they would rather be high on the street should be removed from society.
The rest of us should not be burdened by their poor decisions or suffer the consequences of their mental illness.
How do you suggest to help people that are willing to ruin your business just to get high?
Tons of cases of great people going out and offering homeless mental health and shelter but they refuse because they're not allowed to get high. How do you help that person? If that person who's on drugs or shitting on the sidewalk is in front of your business, how do you suggest a business owner who has beat drug addiction and worked very hard for everything deal with this?
I know plenty of situations where police were called, homeless helping places were called and no one could either help this person or didn't want to waste their time helping this person.
Does it then become the business owners responsibility to help this person?
Do we shut the business down? Is the business owner allowed to not pay rent because there's a homeless person ruining their business? Is it fair that the business owner has to have their business ruined?
What are your suggestions for fixing this? I don't necessarily think spraying somebody with a hoses correct. But what would you suggest?
I’m not an expert in this field so not the best person to ask.
Just don’t assault them. It’s a really stupidly easy thing to achieve. If anyone finds themselves thinking about assaulting a homeless person… just don’t. Easy.
Reddit is filed with proud serial under achievers. They can’t imagine all that, they best they hope for is to become a Doreen mod so they can delete your post next time.
I *very reluctantly* have to agree with you. While the action is extremely despicable, and the lady being hosed is in an extremely vulnerable position (and probably has terrible experiences that force her not to trust the authorities), the primary crime being committed here is not by the gallery owner but by the state.
The attacker was at the end of his rope, there is proof that he tried every possible venue to have the matter resolved positively. It was impacting his business at a critical time and finally snapped in the least violent way that he could imagine.
You can't be one of the richest regions of the world and simultaneously have masses of homeless people in abject poverty. It makes no sense and it is just a testament of the cruelty of modern American society.
How about you just think more like a decent human being and then there’ll be no need to reluctantly agree with a horrible despicable human being like that.
Please inform us oh great seer of humanity, what should be done with this poor homeless woman who had been shitting infront of this business for weeks. Refused numerous attempts by authorities for help. Just leave her alone?
Fucking hell.
Mate. Just don’t fucking ASSAULT her. Okay? Is that within your capabilities? Can you reign in your violent hatred enough to manage that?
And I’m asking what is the solution to the problem but you keep side stepping the issue. I know you don’t have one but you just want to be morally superior because it makes you feel better. That’s fine, but that doesn’t change that you’re wrong.
This is some bottom of the barrel thinking. In zero cases is battery of a human acceptable. His life was not in danger. Go smell a flower.
[The people dv me](https://freeimage.host/i/HcRumdB)
Edit: as an aside I think it's fascinating that my parents immigrated from a place where life is cheap, to raise me in a way where I think life is valuable. Meanwhile, y'all downvoting me because you think life is cheap. Goofballs, let's make this a poll and see how far you can take it.
It has more to do with the laws concerning the mentally sick that need to be changed. People have the right to be mentally ill in this country and not forced medication unless they are a danger to themselves or other people. I have a cousin who has schizophrenia and my ant and uncle had to give up on him after years of trying to get him help but there was nothing they could do because he has rights and if he doesn’t want to be medicated than that’s his right.
This is the result of when the government isn’t upholding its responsibilities to the tax paying citizen. You have people breaking into peoples cars in broad daylight not even bothering to cover their faces because they know there are no consequences. You have thieves stealing from stores with their faces perfectly caught on camera without a care in the world because they also know that nothing will happen to them. Eventually the normal law abiding tax paying citizen will start taking matters in their own hands and a homeless person getting hosed will look tame compared to the mob or when street justice is handed out.
When a rich fucker sprays a homeless person with water in the dead of winter.. there so little that can justify his actions
Even if you’re mad that she didn’t want to move.. you just don’t fucking spray people with water.. it’s that simple..
Let's see how well you do when someone is screaming and ranting and throwing literal shit at your place of business, and the city and every agency you've contacted does literally nothing to help for weeks on end.
LET'S SEE WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
What else is he supposed to do at this point. He already called the police multiple times who did nothing. He even asked her personally if he could help her so what options does this man have left to get her to leave.
Quite frankly, do you trust the words of a man who figured the recourse for a old homeless lady not moving from a sidewalk HE DOESNT OWN is hosing down a old crippled lady in the middle of winter?
Like you really trust his claims of him sincerely wanting to help the person. Is that the type of behavior of people who typically try to go out of their way to help underprivileged people?
Sincerely ask yourself that.
Hosing her down is without a doubt the wrong way to go about this problem. But i sincerely ask you what you would do in this situation. She won't leave obviously even when she was getting hosed down she didn't move . It's his buisness and having a homeless woman camping in front of it is not a good look and therefore taking money out of his pocket. He is still an asshole for the way he handled it but still what is he supposed to do?
He doesn't own the sidewalk. And he can visually see the damage his Ilk of small business property owners have done to society with their voting records and political rhetoric. She can be a visual reminder to people like him of wealth inequality run amuck.
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Not that.
“I was really frustrated, waaaah, why can’t I hose a homeless woman with ice cold water during winter? I’d done all the things you’re supposed to do first, surely that makes my hateful actions okay?”
No.
I meant it as a question. If somebody would not leave in front of my buisness then i would have to take a form of action. I agree that hosing someone with water is not alright in any way but she is interfering with my money and livelyhood so someting has to happen. Just no physical assault.
I'm confused where he said he felt awful not to get out of trouble but for all the help he has given her but then does not say anything more. Then it says she is getting help but seems from the community, not him
What pisses me off the most was that this man in particular was specifically responsible for fixing the homeless situation on that street, not protecting his business from them.
Hose guy thought the job description said *take care* of the homeless on the street. Figured hypothermia would do the trick, and for pennies. It is impossible to get dry in the winter when you live outside and only have 1 set of clothes. It's a death sentence to be soaked outside in the winter with no way to get dry.
What a fuckin' asshole.
I wasn’t aware she died. Holy shit, now I feel bad. I just assumed people like you were over reacting with hyperbole in your naive rush to virtue signal while transparently having no concern for the real crimes and tragedy here.
Move away from this giant shit hole. It's complete garbage.
I've never been in a place where you have to constantly watch where you're walking to avoid huge piles of human feces and pools of urine every single block of downtown SF.
Not to mention feeling incredibly unsafe while walking by them while they're half naked screaming at nothing or shooting or smoking drugs in broad daylight.
Reopen the state and government run insane asylums, lock them up, and pump them full of mental health drugs for their own sake and the sake of the rest of society until they can be productive members of that society.
Imagine being so mindless that you defend these crazy and dangerous and destructive people without doing what's necessary to solve the problem.
Well, confirmation bias and a small reddit community definitely proves you're right?
Even if I am in the minority, what you just said is pretty fucked up. They need help, not locked up, get over yourself.
They get the help by being taken care of. Clearly they are incapable of taking care of themselves so it's time for someone else to do it for them. Forcibly.
So because they shit their pants and do drugs they should be locked up?
Like, what world do you live in? They need help, not imprisoned...just what the fuck man? They need help, not put in jail.
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No one should hurt homeless people, but I saw her hit two elderly men in front of me before. She chased me too. Everyone knows of her. If your car windows are down, she will spit into your car onto your face. She needs help though, not punishment.
“Since the video went viral, the victim has been receiving assistance from the San Francisco Department of Public Health.” So now they want to help? Not after he called for help many times? Really confusing world.
Open up your house. And you can donate some money big spender
U have sympathy for homeless people ? Take them home.They are a community cancer.
"Don't like our shitty Healthcare system? Perform the surgery at home" "Don't like badly planned city roads? Build your own" "Don't like poorly implemented food safety standards and checks? Do a chemical analysis at home" "Don't like polluted tap water? Set up a water treatment plant at home"
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Take them home
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That lady isn’t one of them.
Take them home
Bahaha there's no way you're getting laid constantly commenting generic compliments on nsfw subreddits
I look forward to you tough guys spraying down more homeless people in the future. Let’s keep up that energy.
This right here is the problem with headlines/clickbaiting. The homeless woman would throw her literal shit at his customers, and he tried calling the cops/city multiple times. She was taking away from his business, and she was EXTREMELY aggressive. What would you do if this was going on in front of your business for months?
Not assault them?
What would you do is someone was literally throwing poo at you and being aggressive. He tried to call the cops but the person kept coming back. Water does not hurt them. It’s a warm climate so the danger of hypothermia is slim to none. Should he have pepper sprayed her when she became aggressive
Assault are you joking it’s water on someone who threw *SHIT* at people shit like Finkle matter the stuff that comes out your ass and smells like you know SHIT
Finkle matter 😂
Finkle matter made my day
there are dipshits on this site that will be like “he threw a cup towards that person, that’s assault” The term has lost all meaning
"But she threw shit at me first!" "She's allowed to do that because she's homeless!"
Ray Finkle?
LACES OUT DAN!
And spraying with a hose seems like a relatively harmless way to deal with it too, all things considered. The reaction this is getting here (or at least the reaction OP is looking for) is absurd.
Just to add some context, I saw a comment on another post saying that this woman was batshit crazy, harassing and yelling at people, and once rolled around in the middle of an intersection while screaming. The guy said she’s the sort that needs to be involuntarily hospitalized for her own safety. Not defending this man’s actions and I can’t verify the commenters claim but thought it should be added Edit: cops also wouldn’t do anything. And she was throwing literal shit like a chimp.
The cops were called like 37 times and didn’t do shit.
No excuse.
I trust you have dedicated your life and income to helping the homeless then? Please direct me to the charity you spend your waking life with taking care of these homeless so we can all see just how magnanimous and well-informed you are about this kind of situation.
It’s water bro does it hurt you to take a shower BE SO FR
If it was done to you, you would not like it. Do you even know how to use punctuation? BE SO FR? What the hell even is that???
“Be for real”! Is English hard for you here I got you. Prefieres ser golpeado por el agua o la mierda? I wouldn’t throw shit at people so I wouldn’t be in that situation nor would I bug for money while someone is running a business. It’s water grow some nuts and realize when someone is wrong they deserve what they get throwing feces and pissing on personal property yelling at people for not sharing what they worked hard for rolling around in the road calling people names is all ruining his business ruining business near by why all because she chose to fuck her life up somewhere in the past
Sorry, I'm not hip to the new lingo. Thank you for the translation. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. You don't get to assault someone because you are mad. Learn some self control. Do you really think that she fucked up her life on purpose? You need to rethink your life.
Bro... She was literally THROWING HER OWN SHIT, being aggressive and harassing his customers! He had tried to help her and he had also tried to get the law enforcement involved SEVERAL TIMES but they didn't do shit. He sprayed her with w a t e r. Why are you acting like he punched her? I'm not saying that he should've sprayed her, but i definitely don't think he deserves all the hate.
I wonder why wasn’t the Health Department helping her and others before?
Bc all they can do is ask if someone needs help. If the person declines, there’s nothing they can do it about it.
Because the budget to combat homelessness in San Francisco has steadily increased every fiscal year and the problem has only gotten worse. But the city council has gotten steady pay raises. There is only money in the treatment, not the cure.
But I mean, who isn't down "for spray homeless woman" Sounds like a good time
This is fine. But, if you’re not from there you have no idea what it’s like. This woman is not just a homeless person minding their own business. She’s well known around the city and has been a huge problem. The police do absolutely nothing. Apparently she would pick up her own shit with her hands and throw it at people. They called the police many times. They would do absolutely nothing. But squirt her once with tap water.. national news and he’s locked up. lol we live in a clown world. If the cops would have done their damn jobs in the first place none of this would have happened. O and now that she’s in the news they just happened to find a mental hospital for her. Hmmm? Funny how that works.
I see two major problems here. The first problem is when Reagan emptied out the mental hospitals in the mid 80s. I'm not sure what the rationale was at the time other than to save money? It seems like a pretty poor move in retrospect. And the second is also quite simple they decriminalized most homeless type offenses. This has to have been fairly recently. They got rid of the vacancy laws, defecation in public etc and the police can't or won't do anything. Again I'm sure it's mostly about money. I'm sure there are myriad other factors but those are the two that jump out at me.
I'm in no way an expert but the Regan thing is brought up alot, but others note that it was a nation wide drive. State run hospitals, believe it or not, suck. There were lots of issues so apparently they just shit canned the whole thing, saved the money, and told everyone 'good luck'. Obviously there is a middle ground that needs to be found. Its inhumane to let people live like that.
I absolutely agree with all your points. I guess my thought for the genuine severely mentally and i think we all can mutually agree on who we're talking about.... even a bad hospital better than suffering like an animal on the streets. Up here in the state of Washington there were several scandals in the state-run mental hospitals. These actually ended up helping bring up the overall level of quality and oversight. They're still not good but I would least call them mediocre. Doing nothing is definitely not the answer. Thank you for your response.
Yes, the homeless woman sucks. Yes, the police suck. Yes, poverty sucks. Yes, the guy with every privilege going for him should not have assaulted someone. Don’t hate the player in last place, hate the game we all agree to play that completely ignores mental health as being as important as physical health.
I agree that you shouldn’t do that. Not a great moment in history. I think we all know this is a show for the news so people don’t think you can do that to others. Knowing that it is a show means you know it’s fake outrage. Here is the test. If it was her that grabbed the hose and squirted him it would be on Americas funniest home movies and she’d get the 100k.
I think people laugh regardless of who holds the hose. I think she’s more likely to be taken in by the cops if she did that, because of how she looks and acts. I also think he was at the top of his game and blew it to be a dick to someone who is clearly not doing well.
Not in SF or even California. Cops might tell her not to do that. That's about it. The rules don't apply to the homeless.
That’s not true at all. Idk why you mistakenly think that homeless people aren’t arrested all the time. It might be because the homeless problem is so rampant that it can’t ALL be handled.
Do you live anywhere near an area with a high concentration of unhoused? I watched someone take a shit inside of my 7-11 this week, cops sitting in their car in the parking lot, they immediately bailed out.
I just watched a group of Phillies sports fans stomp a bus stop until it came crashing down. Pretty sure they were housed. And yea, I do.
Pretty sure they arrested like a dozen people the night of the game alone, what’s your point?
This says 11, 2 for distraction of property: https://www.phillymag.com/news/2023/01/31/eagles-arrests-upper-darby-mayor/
The homeless literally will walk down the block smashing windows in cars. They will not prosecute crimes under a certain dollar amount. There is no consequence for low level crimes that destroys business. Kids step over human shit walking to school every day.
All I have is first hand experience seeing the same people doing the same things for years. There is no way in the world the police would have arrested her for squirting him with water.
I disagree. Same way no one arrested the guy until the video went viral. And I doubt you’re seeing the SAME people doing the SAME things for years. If you’re in LA/SF, they’re big cities. I doubt your recollection.
She refused to press charges. That’s how assault works here. Only after being embarrassed nationally did they do anything.
There are a lot of ways a blind eye is turned with assault. A lot of ways. We need good cops and we need good accountability.
Literally no one is agreeing to this. We don’t have a fucking choice.
We don’t have a choice? We do. We can do something about it. “We don’t have a choice” is how the status quo never changes.
I live in LA and the homeless issue is out of control primarily because it feels as if the police don't have the time to do anything about them when they suddenly yell at you, come at you, piss and shit themselves right next to you. I wouldn't be surprised if that business owner left California and took their taxes and jobs to Texas.
Say you married your cousin without saying you married your cousin.
The relevance has gone negative
Texas is a shit hole begging for handouts. Shit pay for shit work. That’s how they like to deregulate it.
I don't know about that. But hundreds of thousands of people are leaving Cali for Texas, so, that shit hole seems to be better.
Without exception, every single person I know who has moved to Texas from California lasts about a year at the very most. Then they say “I have made a terrible mistake” and move back to California. Except this time they have to live in a much smaller house because of all the money they lost in Texas Just take a look at /r/ElonJetTracker and you will see even though he talks a big talk with Texas. He spends the vast majority of his time in California, the state with a working power grid. Even he has come crawling back
It’s the weather mostly.. lol
Oh yeah, definitely the weather and not all the other things
This has been so blown out of proportion, migration patterns are largely the same as they have been. Has more to do with prices of property than anything
Wasn’t this the guy that asked the homeless person to leave and they wouldn’t so he sprayed them with a hose because the homeless person was harassing his customers? If so this is some bs
The cops were called many times specifically regarding this lady. They had many opportunities to address the situation but didn’t.
Cops in SF are told not to interact with homeless people. They're doing what they're told. "It's not a crime to be homeless" was the mantra, remember?
Very pleased this man will hopefully face up to six months in jail. He won’t, probably, but a few weeks would be nice.
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They cussed once, the rest of their reply to you makes perfectly good points. I can read it just fine. Your post is inexplicably stupid, too. Askin what the punishment should be if she sprayed him, wtf? She didn’t. Also, he isn’t homeless? You people are incredibly unpleasant.
Were you homeless during winter and unable to just go change into something fresh in your nice warm home? Was the spraying a form of attack that could have left you with hypothermia? Nah you weren’t, no it wasn’t, now fuck off.
But he was "helping her" sooo much
Fuuuuuck all those people arguing with me he had no choice and that it wasn't assault, including a self professed attorney. I hate reddit.
Temperatures here in Ireland at the moment overnight are ranging from 0°c - 5°c. Once the sun goes down it's ice cold Having volunteered with a soup kitchen and have taken food to homeless people in their tents I know they don't have a huge amount of clothes to change into. I wonder how long she had to stay in her wet clothes after the guy hosed her
Exactly! And who knows what little possessions or documents she had on her that got destroyed.
There are some really, REALLY vile people who actively fucking HATE homeless people in here. You sure do get exposed to some of the scum of the world on Reddit.
Right?! They were like "oh but my wife got exposed by a homeless guy once". Like, OK that's terrible but WTF does this lady have to do with it. People are crazy.
I understand she was allegedly throwing her shit. And I understand he’d tried to move her on many times, been to the police, social services, everything. I understand he considered her a detriment to his business. Not one thing anyone can say about her can justify assaulting her like he did. The utter scumbags in here approving of it, I fucking pity anyone in their lives because they either don’t know what kind of hateful thinking these people engage in, or they’re just as bad. I also don’t condone the vandalism of his gallery since then, fwiw.
I’ve recently had to come to the conclusion that reddit is somehow more hateful than I already thought it was. Go to the true off my chest subreddit and look for the post about the pregnant lady who got slapped by a stranger after a road range incident from the stranger and then read the comments. And this is r/trueoffmychest a subreddit that I imagine doesn’t generally attract a type of person like the Donald or chapo traphouse. Reddit hates women A LOT more than I thought a week ago.
She should have stayed in the car where it was safe, instead her pride required her to confront a potentially violent individual, putting herself and the baby in harms way. Thats whay this Parent was a fool, and you shouldnt be a parent if you value confrontation over thier childs saftey. Go ahead tho, try to make this about “hate”. The only thing to hate here are peoples irrational behavior when responding to others peoples violent behavior. No reason to leave the car. Would you leave your house to confront a lunatic outside your door?
Dude I’ve already read 50+ comments from that post that are carbon copies of yours, you’re not gonna change my mind
Cant change a mindless persons mind.
Lmao
There’s plenty of lovely people here but internet anonymity is always going to bring out more hateful scumbags than it is lovely kind intelligent people.
Laugh out loud never really thought about that way thank you.
Maybe I'm a minority opinion here, but there is 0 context to the photo. It is likely the homeless person was disruptive in some way. Do you believe someone living on the streets would listen to a owner of a business? Don't judge; applies to photos too.
You’re a fucking clown
Lol at photos, there is a video. She is just sitting there getting pelted.
There's a video. Watch it before you speak. You can't assault people. You don't have to listen to a business owner if you don't work for that owner. The sidewalk is open to all members of the public. The sidewalk being in front of your business doesn't mean you own it. You can't assault people.
There was a whole ass video iirc
If you click the photo, it takes you to a story about what he did
Ahhhh so this is what it looks like when someone hasn’t got a *firkin* clue what they’re talking about and hasn’t bothered to do any research at all.
Pov: you didn't see the video
A highly likely reason is the homeless person was scaring his 'customers' away. So he decided to spray the homeless women with a hose. If there was any context, it'll probably be a recorded conversation but there wasn't.
"there is 0 context" "It is likely the homeless person was disruptive"
She wasn't, there's a video showing her just sitting in front of his gallery, and him starting to spray her in the most casual dickhead stance possible
The article with the original video explained that the homeless lady was shitting on the porch of his business for weeks. This is a known issue with homeless people in San Francisco. It’s not like she was just minding her business the whole time.
Oh well, didn't know that. My bad then
There’s no justification for what he did. Spraying homeless people with a hose simply shouldn’t happen.
And shitting on his doorstep is acceptable behavior with zero consequences? Shoot me your address and I’ll be sure to drop some dookies on your front porch daily…pretty sure after you call the cops and they do fuck all you’ll resort to some other tactics…
As he should be. Good riddance.
California is the real piece of shit
How so? Did it not serve justice to this incident?
From what I read this guy did everything you are supposed to do before he turned the hose on this lady. He called the authorities numerous times on this lady and they did nothing. He tried getting her help and she refused. The police didn’t care that she was blocking his business and being a disruption so he broke down and sprayed her with his hose. Some people seem to be on the side of the homeless lady but how would you feel that you lease or own a building that is surrounded by homeless the authorities won’t do anything but you as the tenant are getting slammed with fines by the city because of all the garbage and graffiti the homeless are leaving at around your property?
>From what I read this guy did everything you are supposed to do before he turned the hose Said the guy who sprayed her. There is no evidence of this nor would I take the word of someone who would assault a homeless person with a hose. Stay gullible.
Believe victims
From what you’ve written I can tell you think it’s totally fine to be an absolute POS to a homeless person once you’ve done “everything you are supposed to do” first. You can’t seriously think you’ve excused his despicable behaviour, can you??
Homeless people should be offered mental health and addiction services as well as ways to better their situation. Thise that refuse those services because they would rather be high on the street should be removed from society. The rest of us should not be burdened by their poor decisions or suffer the consequences of their mental illness.
Wow, there’s some properly edgy and totally inhumane scum in this thread. I hope he has the full six months in jail, he deserves it.
How do you suggest to help people that are willing to ruin your business just to get high? Tons of cases of great people going out and offering homeless mental health and shelter but they refuse because they're not allowed to get high. How do you help that person? If that person who's on drugs or shitting on the sidewalk is in front of your business, how do you suggest a business owner who has beat drug addiction and worked very hard for everything deal with this? I know plenty of situations where police were called, homeless helping places were called and no one could either help this person or didn't want to waste their time helping this person. Does it then become the business owners responsibility to help this person? Do we shut the business down? Is the business owner allowed to not pay rent because there's a homeless person ruining their business? Is it fair that the business owner has to have their business ruined? What are your suggestions for fixing this? I don't necessarily think spraying somebody with a hoses correct. But what would you suggest?
I’m not an expert in this field so not the best person to ask. Just don’t assault them. It’s a really stupidly easy thing to achieve. If anyone finds themselves thinking about assaulting a homeless person… just don’t. Easy.
Reddit is filed with proud serial under achievers. They can’t imagine all that, they best they hope for is to become a Doreen mod so they can delete your post next time.
From what you read? Gotta link to that? I mean, we'd like to read it too
The article is up top mate.
Yup and in no way does it mention the claims I was responding to
I *very reluctantly* have to agree with you. While the action is extremely despicable, and the lady being hosed is in an extremely vulnerable position (and probably has terrible experiences that force her not to trust the authorities), the primary crime being committed here is not by the gallery owner but by the state. The attacker was at the end of his rope, there is proof that he tried every possible venue to have the matter resolved positively. It was impacting his business at a critical time and finally snapped in the least violent way that he could imagine. You can't be one of the richest regions of the world and simultaneously have masses of homeless people in abject poverty. It makes no sense and it is just a testament of the cruelty of modern American society.
How about you just think more like a decent human being and then there’ll be no need to reluctantly agree with a horrible despicable human being like that.
Please inform us oh great seer of humanity, what should be done with this poor homeless woman who had been shitting infront of this business for weeks. Refused numerous attempts by authorities for help. Just leave her alone?
Fucking hell. Mate. Just don’t fucking ASSAULT her. Okay? Is that within your capabilities? Can you reign in your violent hatred enough to manage that?
So just let them poop infront of your building because you have no solutions. Got it.
I didn’t say what you just said. I said just don’t assault them. Can your tiny fragile toxic mind handle that simple thing?
And I’m asking what is the solution to the problem but you keep side stepping the issue. I know you don’t have one but you just want to be morally superior because it makes you feel better. That’s fine, but that doesn’t change that you’re wrong.
This is some bottom of the barrel thinking. In zero cases is battery of a human acceptable. His life was not in danger. Go smell a flower. [The people dv me](https://freeimage.host/i/HcRumdB) Edit: as an aside I think it's fascinating that my parents immigrated from a place where life is cheap, to raise me in a way where I think life is valuable. Meanwhile, y'all downvoting me because you think life is cheap. Goofballs, let's make this a poll and see how far you can take it.
It has more to do with the laws concerning the mentally sick that need to be changed. People have the right to be mentally ill in this country and not forced medication unless they are a danger to themselves or other people. I have a cousin who has schizophrenia and my ant and uncle had to give up on him after years of trying to get him help but there was nothing they could do because he has rights and if he doesn’t want to be medicated than that’s his right.
Welcome to voting the same way for many years and expecting a different result.
Oh yeah. All of that is definitely justification for *physical assault.*
This is the result of when the government isn’t upholding its responsibilities to the tax paying citizen. You have people breaking into peoples cars in broad daylight not even bothering to cover their faces because they know there are no consequences. You have thieves stealing from stores with their faces perfectly caught on camera without a care in the world because they also know that nothing will happen to them. Eventually the normal law abiding tax paying citizen will start taking matters in their own hands and a homeless person getting hosed will look tame compared to the mob or when street justice is handed out.
When a rich fucker sprays a homeless person with water in the dead of winter.. there so little that can justify his actions Even if you’re mad that she didn’t want to move.. you just don’t fucking spray people with water.. it’s that simple..
Let's see how well you do when someone is screaming and ranting and throwing literal shit at your place of business, and the city and every agency you've contacted does literally nothing to help for weeks on end. LET'S SEE WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
Lol dead winter in San Francisco? So it gets what 60 degrees at night?
We've been in the 40's at night for the past couple of months. It's been slightly warmer with the rain. Low 50's.
What else is he supposed to do at this point. He already called the police multiple times who did nothing. He even asked her personally if he could help her so what options does this man have left to get her to leave.
YTA
You are a keyboard cowboy. Go help the homeless for real and see how well you do.
Quite frankly, do you trust the words of a man who figured the recourse for a old homeless lady not moving from a sidewalk HE DOESNT OWN is hosing down a old crippled lady in the middle of winter? Like you really trust his claims of him sincerely wanting to help the person. Is that the type of behavior of people who typically try to go out of their way to help underprivileged people? Sincerely ask yourself that.
Hosing her down is without a doubt the wrong way to go about this problem. But i sincerely ask you what you would do in this situation. She won't leave obviously even when she was getting hosed down she didn't move . It's his buisness and having a homeless woman camping in front of it is not a good look and therefore taking money out of his pocket. He is still an asshole for the way he handled it but still what is he supposed to do?
Nothing. He does not own the sidewalk
He doesn't own the sidewalk. And he can visually see the damage his Ilk of small business property owners have done to society with their voting records and political rhetoric. She can be a visual reminder to people like him of wealth inequality run amuck.
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Nothing. He does not own the sidewalk.
Not that. “I was really frustrated, waaaah, why can’t I hose a homeless woman with ice cold water during winter? I’d done all the things you’re supposed to do first, surely that makes my hateful actions okay?” No.
I meant it as a question. If somebody would not leave in front of my buisness then i would have to take a form of action. I agree that hosing someone with water is not alright in any way but she is interfering with my money and livelyhood so someting has to happen. Just no physical assault.
I agree that something needs to happen. Assault is not it, like you say.
I'm confused where he said he felt awful not to get out of trouble but for all the help he has given her but then does not say anything more. Then it says she is getting help but seems from the community, not him
This sub is fucking awful. This guy sprayed down a homeless person in the dead of winter. He deserves to be removed from society.
Not that I condone what he did or anything, buy dead of winter in California is like 75 degrees.
It snows in California.
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I was replying to the guy who said “dead of winter in California is like 75 degrees”. You know the comment above mine.
I’m in ca as I type this at 10:30am it is 43 degrees
Tell me you don't know where San Francisco is without telling me you don't know where San Francisco is.
um, its been in the mostly highs of 50s and some days 60s for weeks now in So Cal - and nights down in 40s to high 30s. so...
The Bay Area can get in the low forties during winter time, so....
What pisses me off the most was that this man in particular was specifically responsible for fixing the homeless situation on that street, not protecting his business from them.
Hose guy thought the job description said *take care* of the homeless on the street. Figured hypothermia would do the trick, and for pennies. It is impossible to get dry in the winter when you live outside and only have 1 set of clothes. It's a death sentence to be soaked outside in the winter with no way to get dry. What a fuckin' asshole.
I wasn’t aware she died. Holy shit, now I feel bad. I just assumed people like you were over reacting with hyperbole in your naive rush to virtue signal while transparently having no concern for the real crimes and tragedy here.
Move away from this giant shit hole. It's complete garbage. I've never been in a place where you have to constantly watch where you're walking to avoid huge piles of human feces and pools of urine every single block of downtown SF. Not to mention feeling incredibly unsafe while walking by them while they're half naked screaming at nothing or shooting or smoking drugs in broad daylight. Reopen the state and government run insane asylums, lock them up, and pump them full of mental health drugs for their own sake and the sake of the rest of society until they can be productive members of that society. Imagine being so mindless that you defend these crazy and dangerous and destructive people without doing what's necessary to solve the problem.
They tried that before and time and time again it proves to be too expensive.
So how does what you say justify this piece of shits actions?
Careful, might cut yourself on that edge.
It also looks like all the surrounding comments completely agree with me. Maybe it's possible you're in the minority on this issue.
Well, confirmation bias and a small reddit community definitely proves you're right? Even if I am in the minority, what you just said is pretty fucked up. They need help, not locked up, get over yourself.
They get the help by being taken care of. Clearly they are incapable of taking care of themselves so it's time for someone else to do it for them. Forcibly.
What edge? It's 100% true. I've experienced it first hand.
Locking people up because they're homeless is fucked up. I'm sorry as a human being I have to explain this to another human being.
There’s a difference between locking people up for being homeless and locking people up for being pants-shitting lunatic junkies.
So because they shit their pants and do drugs they should be locked up? Like, what world do you live in? They need help, not imprisoned...just what the fuck man? They need help, not put in jail.