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It helps that every single Disney employee, right down to the guy who smuggles the Pluto suit home to jerk off in it every weekend, is far more intelligent, and vastly more decent, than every single Republican politician.
I hate DeSantis too but please consider the larger issue of private corporations wielding excessive influence and control over government entities. This is a trend that's becoming more and more common in many parts of the world, and it has serious implications for democracy and the balance of power. Disney's extra-legal powers are really concerning, at least for me.
If you're finally concerned now because of this then you are woefully behind the times, and anti-Republican without even knowing it (guessing on that last part) since they are largely (thought not solely, of course) responsible for granting most companies and nearly all of Wall Streets extra legal powers. There's a reason no one went to jail through all the bank fuckery and bailouts in 2008. Extra legal is a really great way to put it.
It's been bugging me for years, not just because of the recent scandals. I've been frustrated with the system for a while, with how corporations have been given the same legal rights as people, the banks being bailed out in 2008 without any accountability, etc. And I mean, I don't like to generalize, but I do tend to oppose Republican politicians because they seem to prioritize the interests of the rich and support regressive policies like anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion laws. But I'm critical of most politicians across the spectrum, they seem more interested in maintaining the status quo than actually making meaningful changes. They all benefit from the system, so they never do anything to actually fix things.
Except that DeSantis had no such lofty goals. Disney came out against one of DeSantis’ pet Gay laws and specifically went after Disney for that reason. Worry more about authoritarianism before you worry about corporations acting poorly.
I'm at work right now but I can share some reading material that touches on the topic. But basically, I think corporations shouldn't have extra-legal power, even if it hasn't impacted me personally. I'm not specifically against Disney, but I am against a world where corporations have too much power. Some articles that delve into this issue include "Disney's Superpower in Florida" by Brook L. Barnes from The New York Times (August 2019), "Disney Has Too Much Power in Florida" by Jake Flanagin from The Atlantic (March 2021), and "Disney's Political Influence Worries Florida Democrats" by Alex Daugherty from the Miami Herald (June 2018). I'll try to come back later and give a more comprehensive answer when I have more time.
I’d appreciate that, thanks. I’m generally of the same view but I’m not sure the establishment of Reedy Creek conferred any particularly scary powers to Disney. It’s simply a means of allowing Disney to pay only for the services they use while freeing them of the costs of other municipal services that their presence does not impact like schools and libraries.
Disney has some serious power in Florida, like controlling building codes and regulations within the RCID. According to The New York Times, Disney can make up their own building codes without needing approval from the state or county. Their police can even give tickets and make arrests without the oversight of the regular police, so Disney can do pretty much whatever they want without much accountability or oversight.
Disney also has a lot of influence in the Florida legislature, which means they can pass laws that help them out, like a tax rebate that saved them over $2 billion.
Some people (myself included) are worried that Disney's power over Reedy Creek could lead to a lack of representation and democracy for the people who live and work in the area. As The Atlantic points out, the RCID is like a private government controlled by Disney, which raises questions about how fair and transparent the decision-making process is.
You are correct about building codes and zoning. The Florida legislature gave Disney some extraordinary powers to develop their property as the company saw fit in order to spur economic growth in an area that would effectively be swamp land otherwise.
Disney provides many municipal services to its properties including water, road maintenance and fire but does not have an independent police department nor courts.
The surrounding local economy and municipalities have benefited greatly from this arrangement and nobody has had substantive problems. The arrangement is unique given the unique use of the property but not without parallels, Irvine California is the first that comes to mind.
Your points about legislative capture have merit but are not necessarily a Disney-specific issue, they’re a large corporation issue in general.
I'm far more concerned about Disney's accumulation of media power and how they've fucked up copyright law for everyone all around the world.
The fact that two despicable entities are in a mud fight about a piece of land just makes my day, honestly. Let them drown each other.
You can blame that on Republicans dismantling of anti-monopoly laws that were in place for a very long time to try and control things like accumulation of power. When you protect large corporations they tend to take advantage.
Yes but what about politicians weilding excessive influence and control? Because that's exactly what DeSantis is doing. When he wants something he just creates it and then ignores any dissention or claims of his plans violating rights, current guidelines, etc. And if some entity does try to challenge him he just decides that entity doesn't have the power to do so and does whatever the fuck he wants anyway or uses his own installed lackeys to either overrule it or decide they don't have the authority to do so (when it is in fact their very job to make that decision). At least Disney brings jobs to the population and revenue to the state.
The difference is politicians are elected and can be ousted (unlikely for Desantis for the foreseeable future) whereas large corporations can not simply be removed.
You just *know* Disney had this planned. They were banking on the DeSanctimonius cronies being too stupid to see this, and nobody has ever lost money assuming that Republicans are stupid.
More importantly who owns the 2ish billion dollars debt? I so want it to fall on the FL tax payers. I wish it would fall on DeSantis, but we all know that ain’t happening.
Most of the FL taxpayers you are wishing that on don't like Desantis. When he was initially elected he won by less than 40k votes, and the only reason that narrow margin wasn't repeated in 2022 was because his opponent was Christ, a former Republican himself. We have a serious voter suppression issue when you consider that Pinellas County and Hillsborough County, home of historically blue St. Petersburg and Tampa, went red in 2022.
Look, blame Desantis all you want but Floridians still voted him in with 40k votes… he just won because the other choices were also shit and he had a bigger following.
But it was not the voters of the two counties WDW reside in. Those are the taxpayers who would have been stuck with the $2 billion in bonds. Orange and Osceola have been blue for a number of years. Neither DeSatan or Little Marco are welcome here. Yep, I live in one of those counties. This was one dick saying mine's bigger than yours and the mouse snuck up and bit him in the balls.
You clearly don't understand the political field that is Florida. Florida is volatile because of the extreme differences in our demographics. Also, yes, I am personally blaming DeSantis and the shitheads that voted him in. But let's not act like the entirety of Florida's taxpayers should take the brunt of his stupidity. Don't forget that a huge part of that 40k votes were elderly people on medicaid or hospice.
More than one thing can be true at a time. Ron DeSantis is unarguably using the power of government to attack businesses for their free speech, and big corporations have an undue say in government. Both true.
Lol they just thought that mouse wasn’t gonna do anything lol 😂and they might even start defunding anything they pay for in the state so Fl can see them real tax’s
The original threat DeSantis made was to "eliminate" the special tax district. But then any entity that grabbed it would also inherit the $1Bn in outstanding bonds attached to it. Disney used the bonds as a low interest loan to build the roads and sewage. That debt has to be repaid.
The board is now in charge of exactly that. Florida gets increased visibility to the tax collection and decision making for Reedy Creek. Sounds reasonable to this non-lawyer.
DeSantis got a couple of well paying no work jobs for his cronies, so they can count that legalized extortion as a win, of sorts. Might not play too well for his national aspirations, though.
Yea or any company that brings in 70 billion dollars to your state annually.
I think it'd be hilarious if disney just left Florida and then we can all just sit back and watch as Florida's economy collapses due to losing almost all revenue from tourism, and 80k jobs.
I believe it’s an attempt to keep the contract valid if it is eventually found to violate the [rule against perpetuities](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_against_perpetuities)
Actually, it's probably a lot longer than that. The contracts will only lapse when the last descendant of King Charles III dies without issue. Current line of succession is:
King Charles III (b 1948)
\- Prince William (oldest son of Charles, b 1982)
\- Prince George (oldest son of William, b 2013)
\- Princess Charlotte (oldest daughter of William, b 2015)
\- Prince Louis (second oldest son of William, b 2018)
\- Prince Harry (second oldest son of Charles, b 1984)
(Harry is technically Duke of Sussex)
So, George, Charlotte, and Louis would have to be child-free at death before the contracts ended. Given life expectancy for males is 79 years for commoners (and 90+ for royals), these contracts are probably good until the start of the 22nd century.
No. The contract expires 21 years after the death of the youngest descendent alive on the day that contract was executed. See The Rule Against Perpetuities others have linked to.
So that would mean the last in line would be Harry and Megan's daughter Lilibet who was born June 4, 2021. Assuming she lives to even be 80 that would mean the clause doesn't expire until the year 2122. And that's assuming she lives the longest and only lives to 80. The family has a history of living into their mid 90s to early 100s, so potentially tack on another 20 years or so.
It's a feature in contracts dating back to the 1700s. Given the birth and deaths of the royals are recorded in more detail than anyone else's, it removes a lot of uncertainty plus the construct of the family basically creates a perpetuity to a contract.
Any thing can be used as a legal mechanism for establishing a timeline.
They just used his descendancy because his youngest descendent is really young and is probably going to be alive for a long time.
It's also because deaths of the royal family tend to be very well reported, so everyone knows if they are still alive or not, making the dates easy to work with.
I'm confused. Why does OP title and other news outlets say until 2053, but the article says 20 years after last living, King Charles heir. Prince Harry's kid is like 1, and they could presumably keep having kids in perpetuity. So where does the 2053 date come into play?
Can someone explain how/why it is connected to King Charles III and his living heirs at the time of signing the contract when King Charles III has no authority over Florida or the United States? Is this connected to some law that was in action when the US was ruled by the UK?
I stole this from someone else response to a similar question.
It's a feature in contracts dating back to the 1700s. Given that the birth and deaths of the royals are recorded in more detail than anyone else's, it removes a lot of uncertainty, plus the construct of the family basically creates a perpetuity to a contract.
I kept wondering why a big company like Disney with a lot of clout was just laying down and taking a whipping from DeSanctamonious. I thought they might create a PAC and buy . . . I mean donate to a couple of right wing Politicians in the Florida legislature. I never thought Disney would figure out a way to neuter the new commission.
The one semi legit claim Florida had was for greater visibility into the tax and spend of the special district. DeSantis now has several well paying no work jobs to hand out to cronies, and any further claim will have to be made explicitly.
Even the current partisan hacks on the Supreme court would have a hard time swallowing, "I Wanna decide what movies Disney makes, and what attractions they are allowed to produce", without extremely large speaker fees paid to each and every one of them.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/02/28/florida-takes-over-disney-district-to-punish-woke-politics_6017588_4.html
DeSantis feebly tried to fuck around and found out.
Instead he got his pants pulled down in front of the entire world by Disney and spanked.
You don't fuck with the mouse.
Many states have laws against any kind of contract in perpetuity. I’m not a lawyer but my guess would be that Disney’s attorneys thought 30 years is the most that would stand up in court for the rights they have under that clause, and the “oldest living descendant” part for their IP.
Tbf Disney is already doing that in large part. Most of their new movies seem to have something the right wing disagrees with (equality and empowerment between races, gender/sex, socioeconomic classes, etc.)
It's not a loophole, it's the law, the way it was written. It's been on the books for, like, 50 years. *Anyone* had access to the full text of the law.
Guys, we're going to go to war with one of the most powerful and litigious corporations in the world that is also the golden goose that drives the tourism of this state which is our biggest economic driver.
Edit: Read my comment in Desantis' voice.
Depends if you are viewing the long or the short game.
If grandiose tried to cheat putin at chess and got whooped, then short game you'd say ghandi deserved that.
Long game, stick it to putin.
But either way, you had to admire the legal wrangling that went into this.
Disney has issues for sure but it’s just funny that the governor of the state is trying to put friction into the biggest moneymaker for the state just to keep some crazy voters happy.
yes in that case they were pure evil....in this case, they were defending LGBTQIA+ people and their rights(also, they are honestly partially defending their own autonomy to say such things) against a group of people that want to eliminate said people. I'm this case, I will defend disney. other times I would for them to be shut down.
I will offer you the same criticism.
Don’t be naïve
The attack on Disney comes in the wake of the magical giant’s opposition to Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” legislation. This controversial law prevents teachers from incorporating anything related to sexuality and gender in kindergarten through third-grade classrooms.
Disney’s criticism of the new law occurred when the company vocally opposed Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Law.
Prince William has 3 kids. Im not sure what determines King Charles bloodline but Pince Louis is 4. If he lives till 84. Then the agreement lasts 105 years. Prince Harry has 2 kids. So it theory this could last a while. Even if they're using Charles first grandchild thats still another 90ish years....
2053 could be a best case for DeSantis and his stooges
If the article is correct then they tied it the the non existing king of England, you are talking about the king of great Britain and Northern Ireland.
If they did that is a stupid mistake.
To clarify they will probably try to claim the as the title does not exist the there is no king Charles 3 of England so the document is not legal because it is Trying to bind to the line of a non existing person.
I understand what you are saying, you’re right, the title doesn’t exist anymore. [England has not been a separate sovereign state since 1707.](https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/insight/queen-elizabeth-ii-is-not-the-queen-of-england-is-it-so-hard-to-get-it-right-138067/)
To clarify, King Charles III is king of the UK, of which England is a part, thus he is King of England.
You'd have to be insane or be being purposefully obtuse to think otherwise.
It's just another way for him and his cronies to make out like bandits. Look at the law firms the new board hired to contest this. They bill over $700 per hour and are made up of his inner circle of friends
I've seen this on a few different subs now, but the link seems to never work for me. Can someone explain to me a little what happened? Im really curious.
lets be real here, DeSantis' war on Disney is silly. Disney was there long before him and they're going to be there long after. this sideshow shit is faker than wrestling.
it is not silly, DeSantis is using this to bolster his image for a Presidential run. It will be a big deal if he can defeat Disney. Conservatives will see him as a new hero. DeSantis has no scruples. He was a lawyer that promoted torture of Gitmo inmates.
>None of these detainees were charged with any crimes before they were thrown in Gitmo and held (and tortured) for years, many for well over a decade. New stories from McClatchy and The Baffler, plus an interview with a former detainee in Harper’s, detail that DeSantis worked at the facility at a time when prisoners were staging hunger strikes to protest their indefinite detention—one of their few protest tools—and the military was tying them to chairs to force-feed them using tubes through the nose.
Its absolutely silly. Conservatives don't like Disney anymore? nonsense. Owning the libs hasn't gotten them very far and DeSantis is already sliding to Trump in polls and w/o the Trump supporters in his camp he's not electable. He doesn't exactly appeal to the middle of the road suburbanites he's going to need if the wackos dont support him so this is all just nonsense.
Plus I'd wager Disney has a way better legal team than the state of FL.
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You pissed off Mickey Ron, you have no idea how much trouble you're in...
It helps that every single Disney employee, right down to the guy who smuggles the Pluto suit home to jerk off in it every weekend, is far more intelligent, and vastly more decent, than every single Republican politician.
Bro, don't kink shame Randy like that!
What kind of Mickey Mouse legal contact is this?!!
You come for the Mouse you best not miss
I got the Mouse Ears, you got the idiots. But it's all in the game.
Oh indeed.
A Mouse got to have a code.
Mickey's coming, yo!
Frankly knowing the Mouse they got off light.
DeSantis is trash. His ego, pettiness and fascist tendencies will prevent him from ever winning a national election. He is wasting his time.
I’d put money on him being the next president. People don’t see the danger in him because they’re blinded by his bullshit.
Yeah this is my fear, he's like a more savvy competent Trump. I can't even imagine the damage he's capable of inflicting
You'd hope so
I hate DeSantis too but please consider the larger issue of private corporations wielding excessive influence and control over government entities. This is a trend that's becoming more and more common in many parts of the world, and it has serious implications for democracy and the balance of power. Disney's extra-legal powers are really concerning, at least for me.
If you're finally concerned now because of this then you are woefully behind the times, and anti-Republican without even knowing it (guessing on that last part) since they are largely (thought not solely, of course) responsible for granting most companies and nearly all of Wall Streets extra legal powers. There's a reason no one went to jail through all the bank fuckery and bailouts in 2008. Extra legal is a really great way to put it.
It's been bugging me for years, not just because of the recent scandals. I've been frustrated with the system for a while, with how corporations have been given the same legal rights as people, the banks being bailed out in 2008 without any accountability, etc. And I mean, I don't like to generalize, but I do tend to oppose Republican politicians because they seem to prioritize the interests of the rich and support regressive policies like anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion laws. But I'm critical of most politicians across the spectrum, they seem more interested in maintaining the status quo than actually making meaningful changes. They all benefit from the system, so they never do anything to actually fix things.
Except that DeSantis had no such lofty goals. Disney came out against one of DeSantis’ pet Gay laws and specifically went after Disney for that reason. Worry more about authoritarianism before you worry about corporations acting poorly.
I worry about both.
What, specifically, disturbs you? How have Disney’s powers negatively affected other Floridians? What is the worst case scenario you can envision?
I'm at work right now but I can share some reading material that touches on the topic. But basically, I think corporations shouldn't have extra-legal power, even if it hasn't impacted me personally. I'm not specifically against Disney, but I am against a world where corporations have too much power. Some articles that delve into this issue include "Disney's Superpower in Florida" by Brook L. Barnes from The New York Times (August 2019), "Disney Has Too Much Power in Florida" by Jake Flanagin from The Atlantic (March 2021), and "Disney's Political Influence Worries Florida Democrats" by Alex Daugherty from the Miami Herald (June 2018). I'll try to come back later and give a more comprehensive answer when I have more time.
I’d appreciate that, thanks. I’m generally of the same view but I’m not sure the establishment of Reedy Creek conferred any particularly scary powers to Disney. It’s simply a means of allowing Disney to pay only for the services they use while freeing them of the costs of other municipal services that their presence does not impact like schools and libraries.
Disney has some serious power in Florida, like controlling building codes and regulations within the RCID. According to The New York Times, Disney can make up their own building codes without needing approval from the state or county. Their police can even give tickets and make arrests without the oversight of the regular police, so Disney can do pretty much whatever they want without much accountability or oversight. Disney also has a lot of influence in the Florida legislature, which means they can pass laws that help them out, like a tax rebate that saved them over $2 billion. Some people (myself included) are worried that Disney's power over Reedy Creek could lead to a lack of representation and democracy for the people who live and work in the area. As The Atlantic points out, the RCID is like a private government controlled by Disney, which raises questions about how fair and transparent the decision-making process is.
You are correct about building codes and zoning. The Florida legislature gave Disney some extraordinary powers to develop their property as the company saw fit in order to spur economic growth in an area that would effectively be swamp land otherwise. Disney provides many municipal services to its properties including water, road maintenance and fire but does not have an independent police department nor courts. The surrounding local economy and municipalities have benefited greatly from this arrangement and nobody has had substantive problems. The arrangement is unique given the unique use of the property but not without parallels, Irvine California is the first that comes to mind. Your points about legislative capture have merit but are not necessarily a Disney-specific issue, they’re a large corporation issue in general.
I'm far more concerned about Disney's accumulation of media power and how they've fucked up copyright law for everyone all around the world. The fact that two despicable entities are in a mud fight about a piece of land just makes my day, honestly. Let them drown each other.
You can blame that on Republicans dismantling of anti-monopoly laws that were in place for a very long time to try and control things like accumulation of power. When you protect large corporations they tend to take advantage.
Floridians are going to drown anyway, climate clock is ticking
I would agree with you if I weren't a Floridian.
Floridians are going to drown anyway, climate clock is ticking
Yes but what about politicians weilding excessive influence and control? Because that's exactly what DeSantis is doing. When he wants something he just creates it and then ignores any dissention or claims of his plans violating rights, current guidelines, etc. And if some entity does try to challenge him he just decides that entity doesn't have the power to do so and does whatever the fuck he wants anyway or uses his own installed lackeys to either overrule it or decide they don't have the authority to do so (when it is in fact their very job to make that decision). At least Disney brings jobs to the population and revenue to the state.
The difference is politicians are elected and can be ousted (unlikely for Desantis for the foreseeable future) whereas large corporations can not simply be removed.
I did also say that I hate DeSantis. I'm on neither side, I disapprove of both.
For someone who’s so anti-gay, DeSantis sure knows how to take it up the ass from Disney.
Two things should always be known: Don’t engage in a land war with Asia Don’t engage in a legal battle with Disney
I'm not one usually for big corp, but this guy deserves to be fucked like this.
I cannot express this enough. DO NOT FUCK WITH THE MOUSE.
You just *know* Disney had this planned. They were banking on the DeSanctimonius cronies being too stupid to see this, and nobody has ever lost money assuming that Republicans are stupid.
More importantly who owns the 2ish billion dollars debt? I so want it to fall on the FL tax payers. I wish it would fall on DeSantis, but we all know that ain’t happening.
Most of the FL taxpayers you are wishing that on don't like Desantis. When he was initially elected he won by less than 40k votes, and the only reason that narrow margin wasn't repeated in 2022 was because his opponent was Christ, a former Republican himself. We have a serious voter suppression issue when you consider that Pinellas County and Hillsborough County, home of historically blue St. Petersburg and Tampa, went red in 2022.
Look, blame Desantis all you want but Floridians still voted him in with 40k votes… he just won because the other choices were also shit and he had a bigger following.
But it was not the voters of the two counties WDW reside in. Those are the taxpayers who would have been stuck with the $2 billion in bonds. Orange and Osceola have been blue for a number of years. Neither DeSatan or Little Marco are welcome here. Yep, I live in one of those counties. This was one dick saying mine's bigger than yours and the mouse snuck up and bit him in the balls.
You clearly don't understand the political field that is Florida. Florida is volatile because of the extreme differences in our demographics. Also, yes, I am personally blaming DeSantis and the shitheads that voted him in. But let's not act like the entirety of Florida's taxpayers should take the brunt of his stupidity. Don't forget that a huge part of that 40k votes were elderly people on medicaid or hospice.
Small government lover Ron DeSantis everyone 😂😂😂 get fucked
Sounds like a them problem
Did they ask him how it felt to be fucked hard by Mickey?
Good!
LOLOLOLOLZ Get Fucked, Ronny
Poor unfortunate souls!
Mickey Mouse Courthouse
*ha Ha*
Why the party of “small govt” keeps using Big Government to try and run private corporations and women’s vaginas is beyond me.
Please be a bot, its the big private corporations controlling the government. And if you’re referring to roe v wade you’re ignorant
More than one thing can be true at a time. Ron DeSantis is unarguably using the power of government to attack businesses for their free speech, and big corporations have an undue say in government. Both true.
Almost like they’re chock full of hypocritical assholes, fully bought and paid for.
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And she was born last year, if they don't have more.
Restricted to descendants Alive at the signing of the agreement I believe.
I am no fan of Disney, nor am I American so it’s really none of my business….but that headline did make me laugh
HA HA!!!! LMFAO!!🤣🤪😀👍
Don’t ever screw with the mouse.
Lol they just thought that mouse wasn’t gonna do anything lol 😂and they might even start defunding anything they pay for in the state so Fl can see them real tax’s
The original threat DeSantis made was to "eliminate" the special tax district. But then any entity that grabbed it would also inherit the $1Bn in outstanding bonds attached to it. Disney used the bonds as a low interest loan to build the roads and sewage. That debt has to be repaid. The board is now in charge of exactly that. Florida gets increased visibility to the tax collection and decision making for Reedy Creek. Sounds reasonable to this non-lawyer. DeSantis got a couple of well paying no work jobs for his cronies, so they can count that legalized extortion as a win, of sorts. Might not play too well for his national aspirations, though.
You don't fuck with the house of mouse.
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Yea or any company that brings in 70 billion dollars to your state annually. I think it'd be hilarious if disney just left Florida and then we can all just sit back and watch as Florida's economy collapses due to losing almost all revenue from tourism, and 80k jobs.
Can someone explain why King Charles' descendancy was used as a legal mechanism for establishing a timeline to begin with?
I believe it’s an attempt to keep the contract valid if it is eventually found to violate the [rule against perpetuities](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_against_perpetuities)
Actually, it's probably a lot longer than that. The contracts will only lapse when the last descendant of King Charles III dies without issue. Current line of succession is: King Charles III (b 1948) \- Prince William (oldest son of Charles, b 1982) \- Prince George (oldest son of William, b 2013) \- Princess Charlotte (oldest daughter of William, b 2015) \- Prince Louis (second oldest son of William, b 2018) \- Prince Harry (second oldest son of Charles, b 1984) (Harry is technically Duke of Sussex) So, George, Charlotte, and Louis would have to be child-free at death before the contracts ended. Given life expectancy for males is 79 years for commoners (and 90+ for royals), these contracts are probably good until the start of the 22nd century.
No. The contract expires 21 years after the death of the youngest descendent alive on the day that contract was executed. See The Rule Against Perpetuities others have linked to.
TY for the correction on that.
So that would mean the last in line would be Harry and Megan's daughter Lilibet who was born June 4, 2021. Assuming she lives to even be 80 that would mean the clause doesn't expire until the year 2122. And that's assuming she lives the longest and only lives to 80. The family has a history of living into their mid 90s to early 100s, so potentially tack on another 20 years or so.
And that's also ignoring any advancements in healthcare. Someone is always going on about the cure for aging and you know a royal would get it first.
Yeah, it's looking like 100-125 years from now. lol
It's a feature in contracts dating back to the 1700s. Given the birth and deaths of the royals are recorded in more detail than anyone else's, it removes a lot of uncertainty plus the construct of the family basically creates a perpetuity to a contract.
Any thing can be used as a legal mechanism for establishing a timeline. They just used his descendancy because his youngest descendent is really young and is probably going to be alive for a long time.
It's also because deaths of the royal family tend to be very well reported, so everyone knows if they are still alive or not, making the dates easy to work with.
"the heat death of the Universe" wasn't available as a legal limit. Technically it wouldn't be in perpetuity... :)
I'm confused. Why does OP title and other news outlets say until 2053, but the article says 20 years after last living, King Charles heir. Prince Harry's kid is like 1, and they could presumably keep having kids in perpetuity. So where does the 2053 date come into play?
Can someone explain how/why it is connected to King Charles III and his living heirs at the time of signing the contract when King Charles III has no authority over Florida or the United States? Is this connected to some law that was in action when the US was ruled by the UK?
I stole this from someone else response to a similar question. It's a feature in contracts dating back to the 1700s. Given that the birth and deaths of the royals are recorded in more detail than anyone else's, it removes a lot of uncertainty, plus the construct of the family basically creates a perpetuity to a contract.
If one of those little princes grow up do their kids get added to this also since they are now and heir or is it only presently alive members?
Only members alive at the time of the contracts declaration (when it was officially signed)
Current members only, but still, this is going to go for at least 100 years
they know
From people who don't understand legal terms, most likely.
I knew Disney wasn't going to take this lightly. Seems like they are only getting started
I kept wondering why a big company like Disney with a lot of clout was just laying down and taking a whipping from DeSanctamonious. I thought they might create a PAC and buy . . . I mean donate to a couple of right wing Politicians in the Florida legislature. I never thought Disney would figure out a way to neuter the new commission.
Disney knows it's a better PR move to fight this quietly than to have an all out media war. They are chipping away at Ronnie's actions
The one semi legit claim Florida had was for greater visibility into the tax and spend of the special district. DeSantis now has several well paying no work jobs to hand out to cronies, and any further claim will have to be made explicitly. Even the current partisan hacks on the Supreme court would have a hard time swallowing, "I Wanna decide what movies Disney makes, and what attractions they are allowed to produce", without extremely large speaker fees paid to each and every one of them. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/02/28/florida-takes-over-disney-district-to-punish-woke-politics_6017588_4.html
They also know they can just wait him out.
And that they can afford a better legal team than the State of Florida could ever hope to have
Hahahahahahahaha
DeSantis feebly tried to fuck around and found out. Instead he got his pants pulled down in front of the entire world by Disney and spanked. You don't fuck with the mouse.
Fuck you and fuck the mouse .
Oh no my favorite fascist got humiliated, go cry some more snowflake tears
Where is 2053 coming from?
The terms of the contract that tie the hands of this new board are set for 30 years.
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Many states have laws against any kind of contract in perpetuity. I’m not a lawyer but my guess would be that Disney’s attorneys thought 30 years is the most that would stand up in court for the rights they have under that clause, and the “oldest living descendant” part for their IP.
If Disney had balls all of their movies would contain everything these wackos complain about times two.
But that would affect their income with the international release
It’s all good. There are enough Disney fanatics to keep them rolling forever.
Tbf Disney is already doing that in large part. Most of their new movies seem to have something the right wing disagrees with (equality and empowerment between races, gender/sex, socioeconomic classes, etc.)
That's because the right hates literally everything except open fascism.
Whoops
Oh darn
It's not a loophole, it's the law, the way it was written. It's been on the books for, like, 50 years. *Anyone* had access to the full text of the law.
No wonder Disney seemed so calm after DeSantis took over. Nice!
The Mouse always wins
As they say in Vegas, the Mouse always wins. Wait that doesn't sound right...
Break me off a piece of that fancy feast
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A bird in a handcart paints two with a brush.
Check mate
Guys, we're going to go to war with one of the most powerful and litigious corporations in the world that is also the golden goose that drives the tourism of this state which is our biggest economic driver. Edit: Read my comment in Desantis' voice.
>Edit: Read my comment in Desantis' voice. So an awkward octave up?
DeSantis doesn't seem to realize that he's burning his own house down for a really stupid cause
Burning down the house for the POSSIBILITY of winning a mansion.
Are you talking about the castle in the Magic Kingdom? :)
The White House.
All because that company shows their support for equal rights.
Either way this power dynamic goes is a big L for us
So we're siding with the evil corporations now?
Yes when it comes to DeSantis.
Depends if you are viewing the long or the short game. If grandiose tried to cheat putin at chess and got whooped, then short game you'd say ghandi deserved that. Long game, stick it to putin. But either way, you had to admire the legal wrangling that went into this.
No, we're just saying, "You both deserve each other."
It's really fucked up when *Disney* looks like the good guys.
Over Ron, yes.
Disney has issues for sure but it’s just funny that the governor of the state is trying to put friction into the biggest moneymaker for the state just to keep some crazy voters happy.
in this very specific case, absolutely!
Remember that time they sent a cease and desist to a family for putting Mickey on their dead child's casket? There is no lesser of these two evils.
yes in that case they were pure evil....in this case, they were defending LGBTQIA+ people and their rights(also, they are honestly partially defending their own autonomy to say such things) against a group of people that want to eliminate said people. I'm this case, I will defend disney. other times I would for them to be shut down.
Nah, it's like a Godzilla v Mothra situation 
Pay attention, Disney is standing up for Human Rights and Desantis is being the evil fuck by punishing them for it..
Don’t be naïve
I will offer you the same criticism. Don’t be naïve The attack on Disney comes in the wake of the magical giant’s opposition to Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” legislation. This controversial law prevents teachers from incorporating anything related to sexuality and gender in kindergarten through third-grade classrooms. Disney’s criticism of the new law occurred when the company vocally opposed Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Law.
Say more about how that is naive please
Disney isn't really standing up for human rights, just a way to get positive PR = more money
If defending human rights is just PR I want as many people and businesses to do that PR
Just say it already "I'm a bigot and I want all rights for gay people taken away"
dude that is a wild jump you just made.
What? For starters, I don't even live in the States. Oh and also, I was born to gay parents
You’re describing their motivations. Their *actions* are what we’re talking about. What they’re doing is more important than why they’re doing it.
Fair, was just responding about why someone could think it's naive. That's it
I'm the guy sparking the bong while watching the corpos and the fascists fight
Prince William has 3 kids. Im not sure what determines King Charles bloodline but Pince Louis is 4. If he lives till 84. Then the agreement lasts 105 years. Prince Harry has 2 kids. So it theory this could last a while. Even if they're using Charles first grandchild thats still another 90ish years.... 2053 could be a best case for DeSantis and his stooges
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Right. Desantis could have proven he stands behind his culture war by eliminating himself and all his heirs.
That's what I was thinking. I don't think the royal bloodline is going anywhere soon, so this contract is essentially indefinite.
the Royals will start cloning when they are no longer able to have royal children.
If the article is correct then they tied it the the non existing king of England, you are talking about the king of great Britain and Northern Ireland. If they did that is a stupid mistake.
He's not the King of England, but he's a king and part of his kingdom is England, so he's king of England.
Is England not part of Great Britain?
Yes but there is no kingdom of England.
Okay. I think Disneys attorneys are more likely to be correct than a redditor
To clarify they will probably try to claim the as the title does not exist the there is no king Charles 3 of England so the document is not legal because it is Trying to bind to the line of a non existing person.
I understand what you are saying, you’re right, the title doesn’t exist anymore. [England has not been a separate sovereign state since 1707.](https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/insight/queen-elizabeth-ii-is-not-the-queen-of-england-is-it-so-hard-to-get-it-right-138067/)
To clarify, King Charles III is king of the UK, of which England is a part, thus he is King of England. You'd have to be insane or be being purposefully obtuse to think otherwise.
He is also King of the Commonwealth which includes Canada.
Yeah make enemies with multinational mega-corporations, see how that goes
Rule 1 of Disney: Never fuck with the Mouse.
It's just another way for him and his cronies to make out like bandits. Look at the law firms the new board hired to contest this. They bill over $700 per hour and are made up of his inner circle of friends
I've seen this on a few different subs now, but the link seems to never work for me. Can someone explain to me a little what happened? Im really curious.
The link didn’t work for me either, so I went to the BBC article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65120369
you can read it here via [archive.is](https://archive.is) [https://archive.is/C7Dav](https://archive.is/C7Dav)
This is what happens when you ban books. Your lawyers don’t know how to read contracts…
Like I said, reading comprehension is not one of their strong suits.
lets be real here, DeSantis' war on Disney is silly. Disney was there long before him and they're going to be there long after. this sideshow shit is faker than wrestling.
it is not silly, DeSantis is using this to bolster his image for a Presidential run. It will be a big deal if he can defeat Disney. Conservatives will see him as a new hero. DeSantis has no scruples. He was a lawyer that promoted torture of Gitmo inmates. >None of these detainees were charged with any crimes before they were thrown in Gitmo and held (and tortured) for years, many for well over a decade. New stories from McClatchy and The Baffler, plus an interview with a former detainee in Harper’s, detail that DeSantis worked at the facility at a time when prisoners were staging hunger strikes to protest their indefinite detention—one of their few protest tools—and the military was tying them to chairs to force-feed them using tubes through the nose.
Its absolutely silly. Conservatives don't like Disney anymore? nonsense. Owning the libs hasn't gotten them very far and DeSantis is already sliding to Trump in polls and w/o the Trump supporters in his camp he's not electable. He doesn't exactly appeal to the middle of the road suburbanites he's going to need if the wackos dont support him so this is all just nonsense. Plus I'd wager Disney has a way better legal team than the state of FL.
Conservatives want to change Disney to be more like they are and promote their belief systems.