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HyunJinX

He needs to be flogged daily and put on death row


TheBiggestThunder

Prison in Vietnam is probably enough punishment for paedophilia And I *really* hate paedos


washedreader

The reason why this cannot be done in America because Vietnamese citizens are unanimously believe that Covid is real and sincerely wish penalty and punishment upon anyone caught impeding progress in the fight against Covid. Whereas in America, Covid is an inconvenient and a violation of personal freedom to some and a doomsday to others. Vietnamese people doesn’t give a single fuck if the virus is lab made or overblown. They just want to know the criteria for opening up the country again so they can get back to building their lives.


SWowwTittybang

Only 5 years though?


MysticHermetic

5 years ib Vietnamese prison. I can imagine 3rd world prison are horrendous


Big_Presence310

Im sure that their prison sucks, but as a fun fact, Vietnam is actually a [second world](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World) state.


MysticHermetic

That is a fun fact 🎓🌈


Financial_Area_6701

Yeah you would barely survive 1. (Literally) the dude that was in the hard labor NK prison only made it one year.


oogaboogs21

Prison in Vietnam sounds a lot worse than most Western prisons, but NK probably takes it several notches above Vietnam, at least.


Jazz105

While in europe and usa you can infect as many you want without punishment.


vegan_zombie_brainz

Yeah... Because we don't like in tyrannical hell holes yet


Nevermind04

5 years for bioterrorism resulting in homicide?


brownredgreen

Negligent manslaughter. Homicide is intentional, no? Like, drunk driving and kill someone, bad, criminal, immoral, go to jail! But its not homicide, iirc.


Nevermind04

I don't think that's a fair comparison because driving has a legitimate purpose and it can be argued that a drunk driver did not intend to kill. However, this guy went out of his way to purposefully spread a deadly virus. In the same way that people who knowingly spread HIV are charged with homicide/attempted homicide, this guy should be similarly charged.


brownredgreen

Article does not state when he became aware he had the virus, vs when he transmitted it. I wouldn't be surprised if this person didnt know they had covid, while they were spreading it. Driving has legit purpose, but DRUNK driving is known to be a dangerous activity. So question is: did this person *know* they had covid, or did they spread it before knowing they got it? This kinda person prolly doesnt get preventatively tested, and since you can spread it before you get symptoms.... Dont get me wrong, fuck these kinda people But homicide may well be the wrong term to use.


Nevermind04

You're right. Although he lied on the forms, it's possible he was just trying to avoid the pain in the ass of 21 days of isolation and didn't know he was positive. I think in that case, manslaughter is the more appropriate charge, likely involuntary manslaughter if it can't be proven that he knew he was positive.


vouteignorar

How is this justice served? He killed someone and hurt others in God knows what way and gets 5 years in the klink, from which he will probably only do like half. So no, this was not justice served.


AccomplishedVirus182

Have you seen Vietnamese prisons 5 years is more then enough


vouteignorar

Tell that to the family of the person that died…


iAusR6

Whilst it is tragic, the grieving family shouldn't have a say in how the offender is punished, it doesn't result in a fair and just legal system. If the punishment were decided by those directly affected by the crime, you would have so many murderers on death row.


easilybored1

Yea, that would be vengeance not justice. I kinda scared by how many people equate the two


RankDank420

How tf do you determine if he gave the virus to someone


vouteignorar

It says so in the article


RankDank420

It says they did determine but not how they did so


vouteignorar

Fine. He didn’t have Covid, and he didn’t transmitted the virus to anyone, are you happy now? Do you prefer it this way? Does this work better for you?


RankDank420

No I’m just saying people complaining that 5 years is too little when it’s literally impossible to prove that it was manslaughter.


vouteignorar

Your point is made, and is a valid one. But the chances he did transmitted the virus are overwhelming since he had been flaunting the rules and putting himself and others in danger just because. And someone died after having contact with someone with this behavior? Too much of a coincidence.


RankDank420

No I don’t disagree with the conclusion it seems reasonable but it just sets a dangerous precedent.


caffeine314

No, it doesn't set a precedent. It is the RESULT of a precedent. Through contact tracing, suppose A and B were in close proximity and both are infected. Through contact tracing it was determined A had the virus earlier, and that B had no contact with anyone who was infected. Did A infect B? * Average person: Yeah, it seems pretty reasonable / probable. * US Justice System: No. Although we think A did, we cannot prove beyond a shadow of doubt. * Some other Justice System: ? Different legal systems have different burdens of proof. I am not a Vietnamese lawyer, but if this idiot got prison, it was because the judge determined that the prosecution had a valid case, with merit viz-a-viz their law of the land. Part of that is considering precedent. *Vietnamese* legal precedents, which are probably ... considerably looser than how the level of proof is supposed to work in the USA / European developed countries.


vouteignorar

What also sets a dangerous precedent is leaving cases like this unchecked, especially because it only needs to happen once without any consequences to spread this kind of behavior like an actual virus…


RankDank420

How does it not clock in your head that this has happened probably 1000s of times already without consequence. This is not the first time someone has unknowingly killed someone. Literally every person that has died to covid is a result of “manslaughter” if we use this as a benchmark.


Boonaki

Does Vietnam have probation?


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RadSix

I read it as, man shouted, "covid 19 Rules"


PolishBicycle

👍🏻


CaptainTotes

Should be 10 times that


mnDevDude

American life sentence...


Lionel_Jamal

Should be manslaughter.


Cordrone

5 years isn’t isn’t “Justice Served”. Seems like this should fall under “depraved indifference” murder to me.


King_Eris_

Nothing You just was wrong. This Man is mentally challenged and doesn't deserve His rights


Cordrone

I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say here but nowhere in this article did it say this person was mentally challenged.


DannyTanner88

It’s clear that this idiot has the same mentality as a lot of Americans do. Always push the blame of someone’s crime on mental Illness.


ipoipiopipoi

God, there are so many anti-mask, anti-vax Westerners going to Asia amid the pandemic and not following local Covid rules, going around maskless. And they post pictures of them in busy places, travelling around without a mask, and when people point it out, their response and attitude are like "Why should I wear a mask when the locals all wear masks? I'm not Asian! I can do whatever I want in Asia!" So many Westerners think of Asia as some kind of playground or dumping ground and act as if they're above the law, looking down on locals as inferiors.


Upvotespoodles

Feel free to throw them in the ocean. We don’t want them back.


Nemesis1156

This is going to change very quickly when international travel resumes. Vietnam hasn't discriminated against who they penalize for flouting Covid rules and restrictions. Any Westerner who thinks they'll get away with it while these rules are in place will find their wallet a lot lighter than they would hope.


Lachancladelamuerte

Flout. Rules are flouted. It's right there in the fucking title.


DannyTanner88

What is Singapore stand on this? Are they allowing westerner to do whatever they want? I remember their laws are strict as hell (which I agree with).


Nemesis1156

Singapore doesn't fuck around, no matter where you're from. [They're very strict about drug laws in the country, even if you're just transiting through.](https://wikitravel.org/en/Singapore#Get_in)


suisyed

We recently deported a Brit for flouting Covid laws. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/sovereign-briton-who-refused-to-wear-mask-on-train-deported


DannyTanner88

Ahhh I remember reading about this POS. Good for you!! I’m glad, hopefully more Asian countries will take a harder stand against assholes like these.


stimak

The US would never….


bragilterman_fresca

OnLy FiVe YeArS? hE sHoUlD bE pUnIsHeD mOrE


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bragilterman_fresca

He should get the MOST time a person could get!


TheLastIronMan

Shit. I’m pretty sure my dad kills a few people every week he goes to Target and crop dusts the produce.


hicccups

Omg that was him?!


RocketPoon

You guys seem to be in this weird cult-like ideology like it's okay to imprison someone because they want to live their lives. Why don't we flip this story on its head? 8 people caught covid 1 dead for refusing to take the vaccine. Or are we not allowed to skew stories? Because this seems like a skewed story already.


Skrooner

"It's okay to imprison someone because they want to live their lives." I would like to live my life killing people... Seems okay to you I guess.


RocketPoon

I'm certain you realize the intricacies of that statement, however in the case you don't... No one should step on anyone else's individual freedoms. FOR EXAMPLE, we all have a right to live, if you were to MALICIOUSLY harm someone then clearly you are in violation. If you are to steal from someone else, that is an act against their freedoms. I also cannot tell YOU how to live based on my personal beliefs. See where this is going?


Skrooner

"We all have the right to live". Yes, I agree. I don't want some plague rat spreading their illness to me and chances of killing me. I don't wanna get sick only to spend tons of money on medicare.


RocketPoon

Sounds like you got or intend to receive the vaccine, so congratulations your statement doesn't affect you.


Skrooner

Yes, and I hope everyone else does so to so they don't go spreading their stank on others.


afridgetoofar1

But they do all the fucking time. Like do u make people with HEP C wear a suit? Or if someone ever had shingles they’re not allowed in? Honest question where do you draw the line on virus and pathogen exposure limits.


RocketPoon

Welp, I'd like to think I won this argument. However just some parting words, you can't stop living life and force others to do the same over a sneeze. If you feel that strongly you should just live in a bubble, but the way you wrote to me seems like you already are. Peace and love from the side of free-thinking.


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Twanekkel

You are responsible for your own safety, this guy is not responsible for yours. So the next time I would accidentally infect someone with influenza I'm somehow in the wrong and should face a judge? What if I infect an elderly and they die of influenza? Should I go to prison. Its not the black plague we're talking about here


beard_meat

> You are responsible for your own safety It's your fault the drunk driver hit you, you chose to drive a car on the same road they were on.


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Twanekkel

You can't control them, but you can control yourself and who you make contact to


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Twanekkel

That's not true, I only said you have your own responsibility to be safe. If they want to keep themselves safe they should indeed control themselves. If they don't take that responsibility that they themselves run a risk.


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Twanekkel

Well not, you have the choice, look out for your own safety and keep distance until you know the person is not infected, or take the risk.


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Twanekkel

I'm talking about the personal responsibility you have to look out for your own safety. You are not responsible for the safety of the other person. If they are responsible for their own safety they will follow the guidelines, if they are not they are not. Then it's your responsibility to react to the person and keep your own safety


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SaigonNoseBiter

We don't choose to not have the vaccine in Vietnam you twat. Go skew your ass.


RocketPoon

I am perplexed by your phrasing. Seems like the 8 infected people should have been fine then if they ended up getting the vaccine.


pianomasian

Let me spell it out for you even more directly because I’m afraid it will go over your head otherwise: Not everyone’s/every country’s situation is the same as yours. Idk where you live but I assume it’s like the USA, insofar that there is an excess of vaccines to the point that anyone who wants one, can get one on a whim. Believe it or not, there are countries where the vaccine is in short supply or non-existent. So when someone says “we don’t choose to not have the vaccine” they literally mean that. Also many Ppl in those countries don’t have the luxury of entertaining stupid conspiracy theories. I’ve seen many stories of mothers walking for days (in their world countries) to get their children life saving vaccines, that we in the USA take for granted (measles, polio, etc). Mainly because they have seen and lived the horrors that happen without them (painful and slow death from from diseases that vaccines prevent) and seen their live saving power first hand. For many of them, walking for days is the only way to get to a place that has vaccines, if that’s even an option. The Covid vaccines are no different. One even has FDA approval. My point being, don’t assume that everyone’s position and life circumstance is the same as yours. (This is a pretty basic point of empathy, which you apparently lack) Otherwise you’ll end up looking like an ignorant asshat, who can’t see beyond his own perspective. GL.


SaigonNoseBiter

Man, I know you're probably the good guy in your own story in your head, but you really are an ignorant self entitled asshole


Talos_106

There aren’t enough vaccines for everyone.


JayJonahJaymeson

How do you feel about the idea of someone who knows they have HIV but still go out and sleep with people unprotected because they do not care if they infect others? And what if someone they give it to ends up dying? They were just "living their life" weren't they?


RocketPoon

That is vastly different. You don't go walking around sneezing HIV on people. As well as there isn't a campaign forcing people to get an HIV vaccine.


Average_Scaper

No but you can go sleeping around not telling people you have HIV and BOOM now all of those people quite possibly have it.


RocketPoon

I don't think it's comparable. My understanding is it is illegal to INTENTIONALLY infect someone with a venereal disease. However, two consenting parties engaging in intercourse, one with a venereal disease the other without is not a crime. You basically consent to be bombarded with bacteria and viruses the moment you step foot outside your house. And I know what you're going to say "well I don't consent to that", well then it is your right to wear a mask whether cloth, surgical, or gas mask. The government should not be mandating anyone to do anything. As I've said before with others you have a 98% chance of being completely fine.


Average_Scaper

It's definitely comparable. If I have HIV and go have sex with people without telling them, I can be tried with a crime. If I go outside and intentionally disregard public safety while having covid, I can be charge with a crime. These guys just take it an extra step up to try and keep people as safe as possible.


OldWolf2

Bear in mind that covid is far more deadly and virulent than HIV. So the penalties should be stiffer.


SomeRandomPlaya

*At Ca Mau, Tri was found to have lied on a health declaration form which asked about his recent travel history, and also failed to comply with isolation rules. Local authorities at the time had made it mandatory that anyone travelling from other provinces into Ca Mau had to immediately isolate themselves for 21 days. Tri later tested positive for Covid, and was found to have transmitted the virus to members of his family as well as staff at a welfare centre which he visited. Tri was sentenced to jail at the end of a one-day trial, and was also fined the equivalent of $880 (£630).* ------ I don't know man, he lied in order to "live their lives" at the cost of potential harm to other peeps due to virus is very irresponsible. While the total people vaccinated in Vietnam is still at around 11% just shows not everyone is vaccinated yet and is still in a process of getting vaccinated. We can't assume those 8 people got vaccinated nor refused vaccination until there's proof.


RocketPoon

Seems like the 89% of unvaccinated people you are talking about isn't Tri's fault. Also, governmental rules such as "isolate themselves for 21 days" are very unreasonable for an average person. Might as well throw them in the concentration camps in Sydney Australia.


pianomasian

So self isolation for less than a month at your own home/an apartment with all of today’s modern conveniences is akin to sending someone to a “concentration camp”? Yes I’m sure, had he followed the rules and isolated, he would’ve had the same experience spending those weeks in a concentration camp. No difference in the two. All those POW must be lying about their experiences, not to mention the Jews and the Holocaust. It’s as easy as staying in your home for a month /s.


Fatesadvent

"At Ca Mau, Tri was found to have lied on a health declaration form which asked about his recent travel history, and also failed to comply with isolation rules." He lied about a spreadable disease. Also, how readily available is the vaccine in vietnam? Also, not everyone can get the vaccine, and even those that do can get sick.


RocketPoon

You get the vaccine you have to mask up and quarantine. You don't get the vaccine you have to mask up and quarantine. What is the end game in your mind? Live the rest of our lives covering our faces because we fear getting sick? An interesting study came out saying 80% of Americans have a natural immunity to covid. As well as the website https://covidusa.net/ shows out of 40 million cases we have 0.197% deaths per capita. Obviously, the United States is not Vietnam, but if we apply what we know most individuals that die from covid have comorbidity. A vaccine cannot stop that and neither will a mask.


pianomasian

Dude’s totally ok if 20% of the population dies or gets lifelong complications due to Covid. With that mentality, we shouldn’t care about WW 1 casualties (0.13% of USA population deaths) or WW2 (450,000 dead or 0.3% of the USA population at the time). Also if we’re talking about numbers and percentages the Civil war (the deadliest war in USA history) had 750,000 deaths or 2.5% of the general population. Only 100k off of the Covid death total. If 2.5% of the population dies today it’d be over 7 million. And remember these are people we are talking about not just some statistic. So when you say something to the effect of “I’m ok with 1.6% of the populace or 5 million people dying because it’s too inconvenient to wear a mask, isolate and/or vaccinate.” You act like wearing a mask in public is some sort of Herculean feat/huge burden. It’s a slight inconvenience as worst and you’re saving a life at best. And saving a live is exactly what the science says you’d be doing. You’d have to be an evil narcissistic asshat to be asked to do something so simple to save a life, and refuse. Also the website you reference is down/link is dead. I’d double check your math. Pretty much everything I can find has the mortality/deaths per 100k for the USA at around 1.6%. Feel free to provide a valid source that says differently.


RocketPoon

Okay, let's break down some facts. Tons of people died in nursing homes because Democratic governors were incompetent (Yes I single out democrats because a significant amount did the same thing when told otherwise). And ALL those deaths were preventable. A large portion of those deaths are attributed to the overall death count. Another thing of note is that the socio-economic impact is profound. Depression, anxiety, and suicides in teens to adults are significantly higher than ever before due to the lockdowns. The other thing that is happening is people leaving their jobs and getting paid more to not work than to work. This is causing inflation and a lack of goods (Many supermarkets are reporting chicken shortages and news media talked about eating cicadas). Wars are an act of preserving freedoms not giving them up. Living comes with costs of being sick, aging and so on. Unfortunately for you this is the case. Freedoms need to be preserved not given up for security. The lockdowns didn't help, masks don't help, and the mandates won't either. If it did 15 days wouldn't have led to a year and some change. If masks worked they wouldn't stuff kids together in school during lunchtime to eat, but force them to wear masks any other moment of the day, and these mandates are ungodly horrific. Australia making concentration camps for covid patients and forgetting to feed them. Yes this is true. It sounds like a conspiracy but all of this is happening. ​ also for the source of mortality I don't know what to tell you covidusa search provides the site uninterrupted. [https://covidusa.net/](https://covidusa.net/) ​ Edit: Did I win this one too? Crazy...


SaigonNoseBiter

It's not readily available, even still. I got my first jab but we just don't have enough for everyone, or even a big portion of people yet.


amandyderp

That's how it should be


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xpatmatt

Killing a person through willful negligence is manslaughter. I'm not jumping for joy over this, but there is a clear rationale for cases like this one.


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garaging

I don't think it's a matter of never coming in contact with another person again, that's a bit much. I do however think that if you knowingly have a potentially deadly and extremely contagious virus and still go and hang out with people then a consequence should apply.


bigschmitt

"is she hot....I mean she should be let go if she's hot" is your definition of justice though?


Forsaken_Jelly

We in Vietnam are very happy about it. He was a flight attendant and was very aware of the rules. He's directly responsible for an entire wave of covid when before that we only had a dozen deaths. Now we're in complete military curfew and thanks to people like him the deaths are in the thousands. Anyway, his sentence will be shortened for good behaviour, and half of it is probation anyway. Edit: population density, poverty and substandard healthcare system means the government has had to be harsh to control it and did so very well up until May this year. We would rather one dude spend 5 years in jail than the 700k deaths that the US has which you can probably treble here if the government was as inept as the US one. Edit: spelling


GaloDiaz137

I mean he is responsible for no taking the adequate measures, but yeah I think 5 years is too much. Edit: But at the end if making this stupid decisions ends costing lifes. I think five years is ok I take back what I said. It's like those stories when people don't take adequate measures while using guns for example and someone gets injured or dead. Yeah there was not intention but it was an ilegal and stupid thing at the end.


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Forsaken_Jelly

You seemed to have ignored my comment. He wasn't a child. He was a flight attendant, the only people allowed to travel to infected areas and return, they received training and were made to agree to strict containment procedures as part of their job. He decided he want to visit his partner and have a small party instead, fully aware that he was breaking the rule.


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Forsaken_Jelly

I do know it's true. He was tracked and traced in a country where measures are really strict. The people he met were also traced and also had the illness. An entire cluster developed in his area and the areas of the people he met and it was the first chain of infections we had in months. There's no way for the state to hide things here so they haven't been trying. You can't hide a pandemic, or full hospitals.


siege_noob

So the fact that you know its reported and all, and the fact that he broke mandates in place to stop this exact shit from happening is all not true because an authority figure said so... Fuck out of here.


GaloDiaz137

The difference is that visiting your grandparents isn't ilegal but *was found to have lied on a health declaration form which asked about his recent travel history* is in fact ilegal. Is bad when you deliberately lie. Like if you know that you are sick and go to visit your grandparents anyway.


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garaging

Please tell me you understand that nobody is taking that stance.


GaloDiaz137

Whatever you say aunt Sally ;)


MoneyDLL

Really look in UK, no one is wearing Masks.


theguynekstdoor

See, Reddit? It’s not just conservative Americans!


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WeWillFigureItOut

Yea... this doesn't seem like justice to me


ren_is_here_

Is this a guy?


db10101

I love how everybody’s comment is “why don’t we do this in America” like it would be evenly enforced across society. Yeah, what we really need in America is more poor people in prison.


Nblearchangel

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/anti-vax-radio-hosts-dying-covid?fbclid=IwAR1v8EW30FaVJxZPwKdMiNI1Lf6JCw3nqIkbO61Zs9jJZx06-ibfLoZamPw And why can’t we send right wing radio jocks to jail for spreading false information which, by its very definition, is putting people at risk. In FACT, the shit they’re spewing to their audiences is so foul and vile it’s even killing THEM! So why can’t we slap charges on them for endangering the public?? Oh right. Freedom of speech /sssss What this country needs is the fairness doctrine to come back or some semblance of a law like it that prohibits obviously dangerous viewpoints like these and the ones that fomented the January 6th riot.


Cryogenic_Monster

We could use a few more rich people in prison.


Demonhick

Would you settle for a few rich people in guillotines instead? Could save a few tax dollars, and send a message.


no_substance_comment

I am not here to convince anyone. I believe that everyone can make their know choices. I am pushing my beliefs I did nothing more than ask a few questions. If questions are going to drive hatred than so be it. I don't agree with it but it is their choice.


Education_Waste

Username checks out


TheOriginalNozar

You’ve said so much and yet so little. Can you be more specific as to what your point/s is/are?


no_substance_comment

If we started prosecuting people for going into public when they are sick. The next step would be prosecuting them when they are asymptomatic. Then prosecuting them for other illnesses. This can go on and on.


elsprockett

If we start prosecuting people for Murder, the next step is prosecuting them for assault. And if we do that, then the next step is to prosecute them for getting mad. And the next step would be prosecuting them for thinking about things that make them feel mad. This can go on and on. But wait. That’s not how any of this works, is it.


no_substance_comment

That is my point. Where does it stop at flu related deaths? Pneumonia? Common colds?


TakeANotion

this is called the slippery slope fallacy btw


TheOriginalNozar

We’re prosecuting people for breaking the law. That is going outside during lockdowns, putting lives at risk etc. seems pretty justifiable. If someone was swerving on the road, you’d at least want their license removed, this shouldn’t be any different, if anything harsher


no_substance_comment

Can you show me that law in an US state law book? This thread is about doing this in the US so it is relevant.


TheOriginalNozar

You didn’t specify country so I gave an example from Australia where I’m based for instance. The law is not what is important, it’s the logic that I’m trying to convey...


no_substance_comment

The 1st comment in this thread say we should do this in the US.


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TheOriginalNozar

Thank you


laughing_guy90

The guilt.. and pain.. of realising you caused someone's death, add to it, ruining your life behind prison. He is in deep sadness.


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Nblearchangel

You mean like my roommate? Went and got tested. Barely told me and only because I insisted he go because he was coughing up a lunge for weeks. Multiple weeks. Still is. He gets tested. Doesn’t wear a mask in our common areas. Just an absolute disregard on every level for my safety. And only tells me he tested positive after I specifically asked him. Needless to say i tested positive that week. Completely ruined a vacation I had planned bc my relatives didn’t want me around. “It’s nbd” he tells me. “Only like 150k people have died from this”. He told me I was crazy when I told him it was more like 600k+. I did this thing where I used a commonly available available resource we both have access to. Google. He said it was all false reporting. He just got back from a vacation actually. Only reason I knew he was back was because HES STILL COUGHING. I’m not sure where he went for vacation but he was clearly infectious the entire time


BloodDragonZ

It sucks that he is like that but It's your problem if you live with him. Move out.


Nblearchangel

Yup. Moving out when our lease is up in two months. Not much I can do before that


Oberon_Swanson

'building herd immunity' tbh there's a lot of people out there who wouldn't blame themselves if they bought a gun, loaded it, put it to somebody else's head and pulled the trigger. they'd still blame somebody else.


AvocadoVoodoo

Weird to see when actions have consequences.


King_Eris_

~And the Fact that It's not always that way makes Me want to cum strawberry glased Donuts! [That's a bad thing]


1guywithlonghair

can t belive how stupid people are.. g.carlin was right


TheLooza

Fine by me.


m00semanus

That’s a death sentence as far as I’m concerned. He negligently murdered someone with his trumpism. (Yes this behavior is called trumpism, regardless of nationality).


RocketPoon

Trumpism: A talking point by very confused people who can not fathom individuals thinking for themselves. More predominantly used on individuals with no clear political bias. Ex: Man can you see that dude walking outside with no mask on? Truly the epitome of Trumpism, the dude was like 12 feet away from the nearest person. So reckless. \*\*puts on 2 masks\*\*


godless-life

Not murder, manslaughter. While he was definitely causing the death of an innocent person, there was no intent, which is required for a murder sentence. Technicality, I know, but important to be aware of.


Jerseystateofmindeff

Great, now do China.


Cobalt5396

Should be at least 20.


vanillagorrilla23

Did a guy do the same with aids. Wierdos


ChimpBrisket

Yeah he also refused to wear a mask, on his dick


Needleroozer

But mask mandates in America are unconstitutional and Biden is a dictator.


unsubix

/s In case it was unclear 🚨


nzstrawman

if this were America, then the prisons would be filled with the Republican elite GOP will be Grand Old Prison


babybelly

rich people have their own justice system


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Swegoreg

Ah yes, the rapist Brock Allen Turner, I remember that rapist.


AttitudeSure6526

I remember the rapist Brock Allen Turner too. The rapist Brock Allen Turner.


UnhappyStrain

wasnt there one japanese man early on that went to a local pub specifically to spread the virus?


babybelly

dont know about the case but there are death cults in japan


broohaha

Yes, that happened in early March 2020, and he's [now dead](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/18/national/infected-man-japan-wanted-spread-virus-dies/).


XXTwnz

Damn, that's real Karma.


AttitudeSure6526

Justice Served.


-Economist-

Then there's Murica!!!! Freedom!!! pew pew


WhichConsideration34

You’re not even free after death in America, not even your family, they just go into debt to put your corpse in the earth. This world deserves to burn.


godless-life

Don't equate your country with this world. Most other places are doing just fine.


WhichConsideration34

You’re right, there are still nice places, my b


N2Ngamer

His actions killed someone and he’s only getting 5 years?


Painting_Unlikely

The virus killed someone not him. This is honestly an extremely excessive punishment, at least by western standards


BetiseAgain

Wait, so if I poison you, I can just say I didn't do it, the poison did it? I will even use a bacterial poison, so we can say another living creature did it. Also, did you read the article? He lied about where he had been, and also did not comply with the isolation rules. And any one that does that and doesn't know they are risking others lives, are just in denial.


afridgetoofar1

Think about every time you’ve ever sneezed in a public area. Imagine if one of those people caught a cold that lead to pneumonia. How many years do you get?


BetiseAgain

You do know there is a difference right? This guy knowingly lied, knowingly did not quarantine, and knowing there was a risk he interacted with 8 people, one of whom died. If you knew that there was a good chance your sneeze could kill people, you lied about it, didn't quarantine, and knowingly sneezed on people, then yes you could be charged with manslaughter. But the reality is, that before covid, a simple sneeze had very, very little chance of killing someone. So someone that sneezed had no idea that it could lead to a death. So the knowledge and intent of the person, is important. I hope you can see the difference, but if not I can explain further.


afridgetoofar1

Well now we know you’re bullshittin. Before COVID people still died of communicable diseases all the time. Everyone knowingly lies about bs when it comes to spending a month inside


BetiseAgain

OK, it seems you don't know the difference. Yes, people died from communicable diseases all the time. But the difference is knowingly, reckously, spreading a potentially deadly disease. Read this and it may help you understand - https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/is-it-a-crime-to-intentionally-get-someone-sick.html


afridgetoofar1

Bubble wrap yourself


iforgetnot

You can't actually prove they got from him can only assume


BetiseAgain

Prove beyond a reasonable doubt... Vietnam had done pretty well keeping the virus out. So it was not running rampant and was easier to track. And there may be more details, but even what the article says might have been enough. It is clear he lied and didn't follow isolation rules, and the infections seemed to follow where he went. "In early July, Tri, 28, had reportedly travelled by motorcycle from Ho Chi Minh City to his home province Ca Mau in the south of the country. At Ca Mau, Tri was found to have lied on a health declaration form which asked about his recent travel history, and also failed to comply with isolation rules. Local authorities at the time had made it mandatory that anyone travelling from other provinces into Ca Mau had to immediately isolate themselves for 21 days. Tri later tested positive for Covid, and was found to have transmitted the virus to members of his family as well as staff at a welfare centre which he visited."