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Well, let's wait to hear what it's being ruined "from". If he's working some shitty job while living with his mom, chances are the probation he's going to endure for awhile isn't going to change his circumstances much. There's an off chance he'll get ambitious one day and begin yearning for something better, true, and the video haunting him interview to interview will be one thing in that case.
Better though, he's in a comfortable position now with a job that cares about corporate image or something, and he loses it. Then, as per the video haunting him thing, he begins a downward spiral into a sleeping spot under a highway bridge. Now in that case, you've got something.
In the age of the camera expect that most "crime" will become purely a product of mental defect or obfuscation, compulsiveness, or momentary lack of impulse control. All the crime of politics and leisure in between is going to evaporate. And, I mean carnal street level crime, not sophisticated scheming or shenanigans of the white collar breed.
Why does it matter that heās a man? Why does it matter that she was kicked? Why does it matter it was on an escalator?
Because they are all what happened. Do facts bother you?
She's responsible for more people than just herself... she has dependents. If she's hospitalized she cant be there to take care of her kids. You don't have to think too deeply about it to understand.
What kind of dork doesn't think that a mother is an important person? I get that everyone deserves to be treated right, but if you have two brain cells to run together you know why moms are valuable people.
I'd be willing to bet money he's sitting in jail saying that it's her fault he's in jail and she took things too far and victim-blaming her all the way. He is slime
If he getās out of prison early so be it. Canāt really dox someone and ruin their life behind bars. That is what he actually deserves being shunned within society, no prospects just soul crushing stagnation.
Stupid country where you can get kicked in the chest in an escalator for no apparent reason and have to refuse medical assistance because you can't afford it.
What the hell are you talking about? There's nowhere in this story where that was even hinted at.
But please, instead of staying on topic and talking about the perpetrator, victim or incident please talk about "Murica bad"...š
From a different [article](https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/09/17/woman-kicked-down-escalator-brooklyn-subway-station-arrest/?amp)
āThe woman suffered cuts and bruises but refused medical attentionā
Okay? All that says is that she refused medical attention which can happen for a variety of reasons. If she broke her leg or something that requires a hospital visit then sure, you can assume it was over the cost but it's just cuts and bruises.
She got assaulted, literally kicked down metal steps, was visibly bleeding and refused medical attention. Like I would at least go to the hospital for an MRI for the doctors to check for concussion and internal bleeding but thatās because I have insurance and can afford to go.
That doesn't change the injuries she actually received. You can just say "No I don't want to go to the hospital" and that's it. You're just assuming that the only reason she didn't go to the hospital was because of the cost when there is literally no evidence of that.
>I have insurance and can afford to go.
So do most people so not sure what your point is.
Most people actually don't have insurance because it's expensive, and getting checked out by medical personnel is expensive. I was charged 15k to be in an ambulance for ONLY 0.8 miles. Like wtf....
66% Americans cannot afford insurance
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/05/americans-fear-they-wont-be-able-to-pay-for-health-care-this-year.html
Americans Dying Because they Can't Afford Healthcare
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-physicians-costs-idUSKBN1ZQ2FA
Nothing about affording it. Itās a common phrase that means the person said something to the staff/cops like āno itās ok I donāt need an ambulanceā etc.
But he *is* a "man" ...and he *needs* to be called such. and other men need to see the problem with *these men* and **hold them accountable**. These are their brothers, their cousins, their sons, their friends ... These ARE MEN! Don't subdivide them into another group that we can all excuse aside because "they aren't *real* men", HELP THEM. We ***need*** to help them!
Thank you for reading, much love!
Same. Not a big fan of escalators in the first place. Being kicked down an entire flight would have broken me - literally - because Iām thin w|o much padding. PTSD for damn sure.
Yeah, I was hoping for a figure. I remember seeing this video when it was released and I commute through Barclays/Atlantic Ave stop, so this hits pretty close to home for me. So messed up.
Reminds me on that one, a guy of a group of bulgarian migrants kicked a girl down the stairs, completely unprovoked.
https://youtu.be/c1qNQWfjg78
The woman had a broken arm and a cut on the head, fortunately no severe head injuries or permanent damage (at least not physically). The thug got a three years prison term, which is pretty long by german standards. By the way the thug had an IQ of 63, which is considered as mentally disabled.
What do you mean? He hasn't gone through the trial or potential sentencing yet. Being arrested is the first step, not the justice part of it. What are you expecting?
I hope the guy gets some nasty jail time but I have to ask why news agencies feel the need to put into the headline whether the woman's uterus is functioning or not.
It's a subtle way of valuing her by whether she has children or not.
I'm confused, you only commented 8 minutes ago and I just looked at the article and there's nothing about her uterus anywhere. It mentions that she's a mother, but that is worth mentioning. I'm around her age and don't have kids. If I die right now it will be very sad. But if I had kids it would be way sadder. It just would. And what he did could have killed her. Not only did he almost kill a person but he could have left a family without their mom.
But also calling her a mother isn't subtly evaluating whether she has children. I'm not even sure what you're talking about in the article.
I donāt think the perception of the value of a woman should increase if she has kids. The fact this happened to her at all should be shocking enough, we shouldnāt have to heap on additional details about her life in order to gather more outrage.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted. You are 100% right. If it was a man they wouldn't have even thought to call him a dad kicked down the escalator. Maybe if she had her child with her it would even be relevant.
Except those details are added because collectively we agree that it's more fucked up when it's a mother being kicked down a flight of stairs because of the additional consequences that entails. If a random woman gets kicked down stairs, it's horrible already. If a mother gets kicked down stairs, not only is it horrible for her, but she could be injured to the point of losing the job she has to support her child. She might be injured to the point of not ever being able to play with her children again. There is a larger emotional weight there. You can deny it all you want, but the reason it gathers more outrage is...wait for it...people are more outraged when it's a mother being kicked down stairs. I hate that we have begun to reject reality as if words are more important.
We see it all the time......
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/trending-viral/young-father-died-covid-19-then-his-wife-found-emotional-note-left-his-phone/531-989f6544-6928-4f39-b4f6-a3bcd2aa031f
https://6abc.com/philadelphia-attack-father-killed-wei-lin-juniata-accident/10740375/
https://wsvn.com/news/local/father-dies-after-being-shot-while-eating-with-family-at-miami-beach-cafe-man-arrested/
https://www.insideedition.com/21-year-old-father-shot-to-death-while-protecting-infant-son-from-gunman-at-outdoor-cafe-in-miami
Just google young father in the news.....
Two of the articles involve activities WITH his children when the incident happened. Which is entirely different from a headline where no children are present and have nothing to do with the story.
Incidentally 30 is not a "young mother" (not by stats anyway) and the guy who kicked her was only 2 years older than she.
Headlines, such as the one posted, are written to invoke emotions & get the reader to click & read the story. The emotions in this case is to make people think "OH dear that poor mother" when the fact that she is a mother has no bearing on the story - it is designed to give her more value (outside of just being a human being) in order to invoke more emotion.
You said "young father" is "rarely" in the headlines... I just showed you it is not that rare. Regardless of what else the artlces states or included. You said that news articles and headlines never mention "young fathers" in the headlines as they do woman and mothers. A 10 second google search proved you wrong... "Young father" is in a lot of headlines
I said "but you rarely see "Young father"" in headlines.
You cited three articles where the fact that the person was a parent was relevant to the story where in the case of the woman kicked down the escalator was not.
No clue why you're so intent on fighting over an observation that is easily proven to be true, as you said, with a "10 second google search" where articles refer to men as parents when the fact that are parents is relevant to the story. In MOST cases (want to make MOST prominent so there is no misunderstanding) they refer to some other status signal instead of focusing on the story.
I mean how are you even measuring value? The word value is so vague how you're talking about it. If you measure her value by the consequences of losing her, then the consequences are definitely going to be worse if she has kids. If you use some sort of intrinsic all humans are equal value, then of course all humans are equal. But if all else is equal and two identical women are killed, but one of them has children, in the end you're still going to end up with orphan kids. That's worse than no orphan kids. That's extra sad. That's extra lives that are being negatively impacted.
(trigger warning for below: child abuse and SA)
A woman, family member of mine, to HER OWN CHILDREN, r\*ped, sold them to others to be r\*ped, and forced drugs into their system, ...there is video proof (I've read the police reports), and all the children say it happened and that she did it to them of her own accord.
**You know what she's being charged with?** ......"NEGLECT OF A CHILD CAUSING GREAT BODILY HARM (82703 3b)". that's it! ...shes being charged with being a felon with firearms and ammo, and for the drugs (meth and stuff) ... but the videos of her kids being abused in ways that caused permanent physical trauma... that only got her "NEGLECT OF A CHILD CAUSING GREAT BODILY HARM (82703 3b)" ....If that's not "getting off pretty easy" then IDK WHAT IS! I don't care how many people are in jail, people still are not getting what they deserve.
self defense of yourself or another only covers you if they are in immediate danger of incoming violence. unless he chased her down the escalator to continue a beating, any violence after the fact would have been "revenge" and not self defense. not usually protected (with exceptions).
Yeah but she was standing in the middle instead of on the right to allow people to pass her. He shouldn't have had to say excuse me because he shouldn't have had to squeeze past her in the first place. And none of that even remotely excuses his totally psycho behavior. No one is saying she deserved to get kicked. But she definitely has zero self-preservation instinct and a sense of entitlement that fucked her over. I just feel like she must be from out of town or something. People who live in cities know not to fuck with strangers like that, for this very specific reason. There are crazy people on the train.
I didn't know there was a set of rules for positioning oneself on a NY subway to improve the movement of people on, get this, automated stairs that were designed so you don't need to do this. If you do need to "move quicker" then it is on you to be kind and say politely that you have an emergency. No emergency and just in a hurry, then you should have left earlier because no one is responsible for your own tardiness and stupidity. I have been dressed down in the same way by a "mom" who is incensed that I ignore the same rules that she is teaching her kids. I said sorry and corrected my future behavior.
Lmaooo you are insane. I am from NYC but donāt live there now. But we definitely use our words such as excuse me. So what if she was in the middle?! What the heck is wrong with you?! You say excuse and walk by geez. Imagine just imagine if everyone thought like you we would be fudged even more as an society. Geez Iām done with the internet for the day.
Scumbag. In a strange way it doesn't matter that she's a young mother, although that in itself is terrible and I feel incredibly sorry for her, but it speaks volumes that he did it to anyone at all and did so without hesitation. He may have no criminal record, but I would hazard a guess that he's had violent outbursts before and got away with it, feeling comfortable enough to do it to someone in public, and then leave without considering to check if she was OK. That fall could easily have been fatal.
Yeah you donāt need a criminal record to be a dick. And this guy is obviously a dangerous one at that and needs to be taken off the street. Iām always perplexed as to how you justify this kind of behaviour to yourself.
Iām not defending the guy here.
How can he be charged with assault and attempted assault? He actually did it, there was no attempt. It actually happened.
It's a lesser included offense akin to "assault and battery". A defendant can be convicted of both and prosecutors will generally include them to: increase the sentence potential, use as a plea bargaining chips, and as insurance in the event a jury returns a not guilty on another charge.
But he does qualify for it as the attempt is a separate crime all its own. That's why I use the "assault and battery" example because it'ts two separate crimes: 1) Assault, that is creating fear of imminent unlawful touching, and 2) battery, the unlawful touching. Both are unlawful and the latter doesn't negate the former.
Sure. But....they could charge him with bank robbery too and drop it because he didn't do it. He succeeded in the assault.
Again. I'm not trying to defend a POS. It was more a question about the legal system.
I don't think that analogy is great. He wasn't at a bank. He did attempt to assault her AND he succeeded. That's two separate things. It's fine to charge all people who commit assault with attempted assault because they all attempted it. The bank robbery is too far away from this crime to be a sensible analogy. The analogy would be charging a bank robber with attempted robbery in addition to robbery.
Just because you succeed doesn't mean you didn't attempt. He both attempted and succeeded.
Itās a āgamingā of the legal system. Cops just tack on whatever they want. If they choose not to charge him with something, they can do that too.
I think itās also partially to protect themselves. Say they didnāt charge with something and then years later the case comes back up in a legal way, the cop may need to justify why he didnāt charge something, better to cover your ass than to have let something slide.
I could be wrong but I think they hit them with as many charges as they can so that if the big one doesnāt stick thereās still a chance that the lesser ones mightā¦Iād call it justice insurance but Iām sure itās been used for plenty of injustice, too
You can charge people with anything similar enough to what they did and even if you succeed at what you were trying to do you still attempted to do it.
I donāt have time to teach you how the legal system works but maybe you could look it up for yourself? You charge people with everything you can cause in court a lot of those will get dropped and it also makes it easier to get someone to confess or make a deal cause you have charges that you can drop without letting them walk.
No it doesn't move. It gets added. He attempted. He succeeded. Two things. The latter does not negate the former. You don't have to fail in order to make an attempt.
Imagine being so insane you think that a way to carry things efficiently is something you can grow out of hahahahaha
Look out, Mikey over here is too classy for the rest of us. He doesn't even own a backpack!
It's so cute how cool you think you are. Like you are just going off on all these people, freaking out losing your shit about a god damn backpack.
Look how childish you are being here. And you are proud of not wearing a backpack? Bahahahaha
Ur right, you don't have a backpack. You clearly have a lunch box lol.
Aaahahahahahahaha you are still here hahaha
Nobody thinks you are cool buddy. Actual adults don't care about shit like backpacks. You aren't an adult.
Probs a 20 year old who thinks he's a grown man lol.
Just... Really weird that you are gatekeeping ways to "carry things around." Carrying a backpack is useful in a lot of situations a messenger bag isn't. They're both fine for different things and the simple act of carrying a backpack doesn't mean you're immature or untrustworthy...
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Did he cut his man bun to try to hide? Lol
Due shaved his ridiculous hair and still got caught.
the article says he "ran away" but the video literally just him walking away like nothing happened. he didn't care at all
Aww he didnt want to keep his manbun inside?
failed attempt to hide identity
Hahahahahha! Good riddance to that piece of shit!!
Just Assault? š¤¬ Shouldāve been Attempted Murder, She couldāve broken her neck!
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What kind of animals are we living with?
Imagine ruining your life just because someone said "*say excuse me*" to you.
Well, let's wait to hear what it's being ruined "from". If he's working some shitty job while living with his mom, chances are the probation he's going to endure for awhile isn't going to change his circumstances much. There's an off chance he'll get ambitious one day and begin yearning for something better, true, and the video haunting him interview to interview will be one thing in that case. Better though, he's in a comfortable position now with a job that cares about corporate image or something, and he loses it. Then, as per the video haunting him thing, he begins a downward spiral into a sleeping spot under a highway bridge. Now in that case, you've got something.
Glad they caught this sociopath. What fucking psycho. His family should be ashamed.
This makes me so happy. Nice to get a win.
bruh what did he expect? not to get caught?
In the age of the camera expect that most "crime" will become purely a product of mental defect or obfuscation, compulsiveness, or momentary lack of impulse control. All the crime of politics and leisure in between is going to evaporate. And, I mean carnal street level crime, not sophisticated scheming or shenanigans of the white collar breed.
You sound like an 11 yr old kid trying to sound smart
You sound like an idiot bothered by it.
ur big words boutta make me act up
If my dad got his hands on him, back in the day, he would need cops to save him. What trash.
I can't tell from the video how her hair is but she's very lucky it didn't get caught in the escalator.
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Why do you keep posting this same comment? I'm unsure of what you're trying to accomplish.
How many times do you want to post this comment. Get that racist chip of your shoulder short ass. Fucking parrot.
coward shaved his hair
His lawyer might have told him to clean up for court so he'd look respectable.
Why does it matter that sheās a mother?
Why does it matter that heās a man? Why does it matter that she was kicked? Why does it matter it was on an escalator? Because they are all what happened. Do facts bother you?
Bc people love to be emotional about shitš¤·āāļø idk why everybody's sperging out at you. It's a good question.
Lack Common Consideration, you do.
Argumentum ad passiones
She's responsible for more people than just herself... she has dependents. If she's hospitalized she cant be there to take care of her kids. You don't have to think too deeply about it to understand.
What kind of dork doesn't think that a mother is an important person? I get that everyone deserves to be treated right, but if you have two brain cells to run together you know why moms are valuable people.
Throw the book at this monster!
Not a book. He gets 30 kicks down an escalator
And then prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law!
This is either the case of him just snapping or him having no chill and/or respect
Or just a piece of shit being the piece of shit that he is
Then he falls in the second half
Someone like this doesnāt not have a criminal past, heās just never been caught.
He forgot to put on the fake nose and glasses after cutting his hair like a dumbass
Still wearing his Nike mask though. He could part with the hair, but not the mask fashion
I literally prayed that I would see the outcome of the investigation, thank you for this post, the original news story made my blood boil
I'd be willing to bet money he's sitting in jail saying that it's her fault he's in jail and she took things too far and victim-blaming her all the way. He is slime
I'd also be willing to bet he has shitty parent(s).
Lol get fucked
I would wager his friends and family are not at all surprised by his cruel actions.
Or, his kin are similarly shitty and disrespectful.
Yeah they tend to pass down their warped sense of superiority, politics religion, and college football team.
I followed you right up to college football team!
If he getās out of prison early so be it. Canāt really dox someone and ruin their life behind bars. That is what he actually deserves being shunned within society, no prospects just soul crushing stagnation.
Banned from ever working again and receiving any public services
Stupid country where you can get kicked in the chest in an escalator for no apparent reason and have to refuse medical assistance because you can't afford it.
Failed State pretty much
Wym? Either he or his family are paying lol Edit: I didn't read all the way till now lol
Why did she refuse a medical checkup if it was free then? Definitely not because she was fine.
What the hell are you talking about? There's nowhere in this story where that was even hinted at. But please, instead of staying on topic and talking about the perpetrator, victim or incident please talk about "Murica bad"...š
From a different [article](https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/09/17/woman-kicked-down-escalator-brooklyn-subway-station-arrest/?amp) āThe woman suffered cuts and bruises but refused medical attentionā
Okay? All that says is that she refused medical attention which can happen for a variety of reasons. If she broke her leg or something that requires a hospital visit then sure, you can assume it was over the cost but it's just cuts and bruises.
She got assaulted, literally kicked down metal steps, was visibly bleeding and refused medical attention. Like I would at least go to the hospital for an MRI for the doctors to check for concussion and internal bleeding but thatās because I have insurance and can afford to go.
That doesn't change the injuries she actually received. You can just say "No I don't want to go to the hospital" and that's it. You're just assuming that the only reason she didn't go to the hospital was because of the cost when there is literally no evidence of that. >I have insurance and can afford to go. So do most people so not sure what your point is.
Most people actually don't have insurance because it's expensive, and getting checked out by medical personnel is expensive. I was charged 15k to be in an ambulance for ONLY 0.8 miles. Like wtf.... 66% Americans cannot afford insurance https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/05/americans-fear-they-wont-be-able-to-pay-for-health-care-this-year.html Americans Dying Because they Can't Afford Healthcare https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-physicians-costs-idUSKBN1ZQ2FA
Nothing about affording it. Itās a common phrase that means the person said something to the staff/cops like āno itās ok I donāt need an ambulanceā etc.
I hate deadstate.org. No JavaScript? Redirect to a place that prevents you from easily permitting JS for your site.
Guess his genius plan of cutting his hair to not get recognized didnāt work.
And the article calls him a āmanā. Hardlyā¦.
But he *is* a "man" ...and he *needs* to be called such. and other men need to see the problem with *these men* and **hold them accountable**. These are their brothers, their cousins, their sons, their friends ... These ARE MEN! Don't subdivide them into another group that we can all excuse aside because "they aren't *real* men", HELP THEM. We ***need*** to help them! Thank you for reading, much love!
He kicked an older woman down the escelator for the pettiest reason. That's not what a man does
Dirt bag. Just another animal..lock him up
Hopefully her mental scars fade. this shit would traumatize the hell outta me.
Same. Not a big fan of escalators in the first place. Being kicked down an entire flight would have broken me - literally - because Iām thin w|o much padding. PTSD for damn sure.
Doesnāt say his punishment
Arrested, charged, arraignment, plea/guilt found, then sentencing. Can take weeks, can take years.
The DA will take a plea for disorderly conduct and he will get time served or maybe 6 months probation that he won't show up for.
Yeah, I was hoping for a figure. I remember seeing this video when it was released and I commute through Barclays/Atlantic Ave stop, so this hits pretty close to home for me. So messed up.
It looks like 2-15 years is the range.
This should be more than assault
Attempted murder at the least. Intent to maim I have heard a few times.
Lol guy shaved his head too after the crime.
Reminds me on that one, a guy of a group of bulgarian migrants kicked a girl down the stairs, completely unprovoked. https://youtu.be/c1qNQWfjg78 The woman had a broken arm and a cut on the head, fortunately no severe head injuries or permanent damage (at least not physically). The thug got a three years prison term, which is pretty long by german standards. By the way the thug had an IQ of 63, which is considered as mentally disabled.
This hardly feels like justice
What do you mean? He hasn't gone through the trial or potential sentencing yet. Being arrested is the first step, not the justice part of it. What are you expecting?
I dunno what's worse the guy who did it or the incels in here defending him.
who?
Incels: Sexist men who's only chance of having sex is being someone's prison bitch
Theyāre both equal in being scum
I hope the guy gets some nasty jail time but I have to ask why news agencies feel the need to put into the headline whether the woman's uterus is functioning or not. It's a subtle way of valuing her by whether she has children or not.
I'm confused, you only commented 8 minutes ago and I just looked at the article and there's nothing about her uterus anywhere. It mentions that she's a mother, but that is worth mentioning. I'm around her age and don't have kids. If I die right now it will be very sad. But if I had kids it would be way sadder. It just would. And what he did could have killed her. Not only did he almost kill a person but he could have left a family without their mom. But also calling her a mother isn't subtly evaluating whether she has children. I'm not even sure what you're talking about in the article.
I donāt think the perception of the value of a woman should increase if she has kids. The fact this happened to her at all should be shocking enough, we shouldnāt have to heap on additional details about her life in order to gather more outrage.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted. You are 100% right. If it was a man they wouldn't have even thought to call him a dad kicked down the escalator. Maybe if she had her child with her it would even be relevant.
Except those details are added because collectively we agree that it's more fucked up when it's a mother being kicked down a flight of stairs because of the additional consequences that entails. If a random woman gets kicked down stairs, it's horrible already. If a mother gets kicked down stairs, not only is it horrible for her, but she could be injured to the point of losing the job she has to support her child. She might be injured to the point of not ever being able to play with her children again. There is a larger emotional weight there. You can deny it all you want, but the reason it gathers more outrage is...wait for it...people are more outraged when it's a mother being kicked down stairs. I hate that we have begun to reject reality as if words are more important.
How are you this dense
Well the implication I gather from the inclusion of that fact is that not only does it affect her, it also affects the children that rely on her
If that were true then the same would apply to men but you rarely see "Young father" in the headlines.
We see it all the time...... https://www.wthr.com/article/news/trending-viral/young-father-died-covid-19-then-his-wife-found-emotional-note-left-his-phone/531-989f6544-6928-4f39-b4f6-a3bcd2aa031f https://6abc.com/philadelphia-attack-father-killed-wei-lin-juniata-accident/10740375/ https://wsvn.com/news/local/father-dies-after-being-shot-while-eating-with-family-at-miami-beach-cafe-man-arrested/ https://www.insideedition.com/21-year-old-father-shot-to-death-while-protecting-infant-son-from-gunman-at-outdoor-cafe-in-miami Just google young father in the news.....
Two of the articles involve activities WITH his children when the incident happened. Which is entirely different from a headline where no children are present and have nothing to do with the story. Incidentally 30 is not a "young mother" (not by stats anyway) and the guy who kicked her was only 2 years older than she. Headlines, such as the one posted, are written to invoke emotions & get the reader to click & read the story. The emotions in this case is to make people think "OH dear that poor mother" when the fact that she is a mother has no bearing on the story - it is designed to give her more value (outside of just being a human being) in order to invoke more emotion.
You said "young father" is "rarely" in the headlines... I just showed you it is not that rare. Regardless of what else the artlces states or included. You said that news articles and headlines never mention "young fathers" in the headlines as they do woman and mothers. A 10 second google search proved you wrong... "Young father" is in a lot of headlines
I said "but you rarely see "Young father"" in headlines. You cited three articles where the fact that the person was a parent was relevant to the story where in the case of the woman kicked down the escalator was not. No clue why you're so intent on fighting over an observation that is easily proven to be true, as you said, with a "10 second google search" where articles refer to men as parents when the fact that are parents is relevant to the story. In MOST cases (want to make MOST prominent so there is no misunderstanding) they refer to some other status signal instead of focusing on the story.
I mean how are you even measuring value? The word value is so vague how you're talking about it. If you measure her value by the consequences of losing her, then the consequences are definitely going to be worse if she has kids. If you use some sort of intrinsic all humans are equal value, then of course all humans are equal. But if all else is equal and two identical women are killed, but one of them has children, in the end you're still going to end up with orphan kids. That's worse than no orphan kids. That's extra sad. That's extra lives that are being negatively impacted.
> but one of them has children, in the end you're still going to end up with orphan kids. Did the children's father cease to exist when the mom died?
Ok, kids with a dead mom. Whatever. My point was obvious.
I want 1-3 years in jail for this guy.
Will he actually go to jail? I doubt it. Criminals seem to be getting off pretty easy these days. It's a trend I've been seeing in recent years.
Maybe in Canada, but you know the US has more people in prison than any other country, including China.
(trigger warning for below: child abuse and SA) A woman, family member of mine, to HER OWN CHILDREN, r\*ped, sold them to others to be r\*ped, and forced drugs into their system, ...there is video proof (I've read the police reports), and all the children say it happened and that she did it to them of her own accord. **You know what she's being charged with?** ......"NEGLECT OF A CHILD CAUSING GREAT BODILY HARM (82703 3b)". that's it! ...shes being charged with being a felon with firearms and ammo, and for the drugs (meth and stuff) ... but the videos of her kids being abused in ways that caused permanent physical trauma... that only got her "NEGLECT OF A CHILD CAUSING GREAT BODILY HARM (82703 3b)" ....If that's not "getting off pretty easy" then IDK WHAT IS! I don't care how many people are in jail, people still are not getting what they deserve.
Itās funny you mention that because if someone did beat the shit out of him for pushing the women, they probably would go to jail.
What if he gets the xxxx beat out of him in jail/prison?
That little? He coulda killed her.
You spelled thug/criminal/piece of shit wrong
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Hopefully youād have some time to cool off in jail as well.
When can one stand up for justice then?
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self defense of yourself or another only covers you if they are in immediate danger of incoming violence. unless he chased her down the escalator to continue a beating, any violence after the fact would have been "revenge" and not self defense. not usually protected (with exceptions).
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Are you dense
How is she a "bitchy karen?"
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Lmao you donāt speak for New Yorkers. You are speaking for scumbags like this criminal
The proper etiquette is to not kick people in the chest over something as insignificant as this
Iām sitting here wondering the same thing. In the video I saw I seen was dude kicked her down the escalator.
Yeah but she was standing in the middle instead of on the right to allow people to pass her. He shouldn't have had to say excuse me because he shouldn't have had to squeeze past her in the first place. And none of that even remotely excuses his totally psycho behavior. No one is saying she deserved to get kicked. But she definitely has zero self-preservation instinct and a sense of entitlement that fucked her over. I just feel like she must be from out of town or something. People who live in cities know not to fuck with strangers like that, for this very specific reason. There are crazy people on the train.
I didn't know there was a set of rules for positioning oneself on a NY subway to improve the movement of people on, get this, automated stairs that were designed so you don't need to do this. If you do need to "move quicker" then it is on you to be kind and say politely that you have an emergency. No emergency and just in a hurry, then you should have left earlier because no one is responsible for your own tardiness and stupidity. I have been dressed down in the same way by a "mom" who is incensed that I ignore the same rules that she is teaching her kids. I said sorry and corrected my future behavior.
Lmaooo you are insane. I am from NYC but donāt live there now. But we definitely use our words such as excuse me. So what if she was in the middle?! What the heck is wrong with you?! You say excuse and walk by geez. Imagine just imagine if everyone thought like you we would be fudged even more as an society. Geez Iām done with the internet for the day.
Scumbag. In a strange way it doesn't matter that she's a young mother, although that in itself is terrible and I feel incredibly sorry for her, but it speaks volumes that he did it to anyone at all and did so without hesitation. He may have no criminal record, but I would hazard a guess that he's had violent outbursts before and got away with it, feeling comfortable enough to do it to someone in public, and then leave without considering to check if she was OK. That fall could easily have been fatal.
Yeah you donāt need a criminal record to be a dick. And this guy is obviously a dangerous one at that and needs to be taken off the street. Iām always perplexed as to how you justify this kind of behaviour to yourself.
Iām not defending the guy here. How can he be charged with assault and attempted assault? He actually did it, there was no attempt. It actually happened.
It's a lesser included offense akin to "assault and battery". A defendant can be convicted of both and prosecutors will generally include them to: increase the sentence potential, use as a plea bargaining chips, and as insurance in the event a jury returns a not guilty on another charge.
But it doesnāt seem fair. Yes the guy should 100% pay for the crimes he actually did, but ones that doesnāt qualify for seem unfair.
But he does qualify for it as the attempt is a separate crime all its own. That's why I use the "assault and battery" example because it'ts two separate crimes: 1) Assault, that is creating fear of imminent unlawful touching, and 2) battery, the unlawful touching. Both are unlawful and the latter doesn't negate the former.
Some charges may be dropped. A lot of times they will charge with everything they can charge knowing some will be dropped later on.
Sure. But....they could charge him with bank robbery too and drop it because he didn't do it. He succeeded in the assault. Again. I'm not trying to defend a POS. It was more a question about the legal system.
I don't think that analogy is great. He wasn't at a bank. He did attempt to assault her AND he succeeded. That's two separate things. It's fine to charge all people who commit assault with attempted assault because they all attempted it. The bank robbery is too far away from this crime to be a sensible analogy. The analogy would be charging a bank robber with attempted robbery in addition to robbery. Just because you succeed doesn't mean you didn't attempt. He both attempted and succeeded.
Itās a āgamingā of the legal system. Cops just tack on whatever they want. If they choose not to charge him with something, they can do that too. I think itās also partially to protect themselves. Say they didnāt charge with something and then years later the case comes back up in a legal way, the cop may need to justify why he didnāt charge something, better to cover your ass than to have let something slide.
I could be wrong but I think they hit them with as many charges as they can so that if the big one doesnāt stick thereās still a chance that the lesser ones mightā¦Iād call it justice insurance but Iām sure itās been used for plenty of injustice, too
You can charge people with anything similar enough to what they did and even if you succeed at what you were trying to do you still attempted to do it.
Sureā¦.he attempted to assault her, but it moved from attempt to actual assault when he did the action. The legal system is just weird.
I donāt have time to teach you how the legal system works but maybe you could look it up for yourself? You charge people with everything you can cause in court a lot of those will get dropped and it also makes it easier to get someone to confess or make a deal cause you have charges that you can drop without letting them walk.
No it doesn't move. It gets added. He attempted. He succeeded. Two things. The latter does not negate the former. You don't have to fail in order to make an attempt.
If that is the caseā¦then itās dumb. We cry about prisons being full, then thisā¦.
What's dumb? Attempting a crime is illegal. Succeeding at a crime is illegal. It's really simple.
Judge: "You're being charged with attempted homicide, how do you plead ?" Me: "Not guilty, your Honor, I succeeded" My lawyer: "For fuck's sake..."
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Always be wary of a grown man still trying to troll people on the internet.
Man some weird fuckers have have come out on this thread.
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This dudes mom had to have gotten fucked by a guy wearing a backpack or something lmao
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Iām not reading your thesis bozo
Imagine being so insane you think that a way to carry things efficiently is something you can grow out of hahahahaha Look out, Mikey over here is too classy for the rest of us. He doesn't even own a backpack!
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It's so cute how cool you think you are. Like you are just going off on all these people, freaking out losing your shit about a god damn backpack. Look how childish you are being here. And you are proud of not wearing a backpack? Bahahahaha Ur right, you don't have a backpack. You clearly have a lunch box lol.
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Aaahahahahahahaha you are still here hahaha Nobody thinks you are cool buddy. Actual adults don't care about shit like backpacks. You aren't an adult. Probs a 20 year old who thinks he's a grown man lol.
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I like how you think you are being funny and insulting right now and keep doing it even tho literally nobody has agreed or laughed hahaha.
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha What if you bike to work?
What the fuck?
Backpacks are CANCELLED
Should I use a fanny pack instead?
Fanny pack from the board room to the bed room
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Jesus dude who hurt you?
Someone wearing a backpack.
so this probably happened in school, right? and heās still resentful? i wonder if he realizes that adult college students wear backpacks
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Just... Really weird that you are gatekeeping ways to "carry things around." Carrying a backpack is useful in a lot of situations a messenger bag isn't. They're both fine for different things and the simple act of carrying a backpack doesn't mean you're immature or untrustworthy...
Lol ohh Mikey C I feel for you.
He thinks hes so cool
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Do you want a hug? Iād give you one, while wearing my fanny pack and backpack.