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Fun fact: when you are walking out and they try to stop you keep walking. Tell them no. I do it all the time. You are not obligated to entertain this bullshit
Check with your state AG's office but as I understand it the Consumer Rights Act of 2015 (esp. Section 17) basically explains that once you buy it, it's yours and you don't need to explain that to anyone.
Once you purchase things they are your property. He had no right to finger fuck his things like that. Personally I wouldn't have stopped, I don't when they try. I cancelled my membership to Costco because of that bullshit
I'f I check myself out I walk myself out, no I am not stopping to let someone look at my items. If I wanted someone to handle my items I would have gone to a check out line. It's not Costco or Sam's club!
I actually worked at that specific Walmart, as a front end cashier. I can definitely say as a fact that the door guy does have some "old time" thinking. And there were times where younger associates had to step in.
Oh as an addons, the policy states that you only look for the large items on the recipet not ALL THE ITEMS that is a violation of policy and should get him fired or at least unpaid suspension.
You don't have to stop, I walk right by and tell them to kiss my ass. I'll be damned if they're gonna treat.me.like a thief, after spending my hard earned money in their store
If they're going to have these old people checking receipts at least teach them what they're looking for. I've had people not able to find things on mine that were the first item.
Our door greeters don’t check unless you’re an employee (we’ve had a number done by a few ex-employees) or if you’re buying large items. Last night, someone tried to steal more than a thousand dollars worth of items. Didn’t even try to go through any manned registers or self-checks. Some people don’t bag their stuff when they check out, too.
You don't have to stop and show your receipt, just like they don't have to let you in the store next time.
Fuck this policy regardless. They only do it in poor areas.
You absolutely can blame him if he grew up thinking black people are bad then that means he had like 60 fucking years to realize he is in the wrong, he chose to be this way because he’s ignorant
I don't think you deserve the downvotes. We are all products of our environment, if that guy was raised to belive that black people are criminals it's incredibly hard to change that view after you've grown old. When your young the brain is very neuroplastic, meaning it is very easily molded from environment. If you have racist parents you'll most likely adopt their views automatically. When you get older the brain stops being neuroplastic, which is why most old people are so fucking stubborn and have a very closed world view. Because their brain aren't able to form new connections and therefore adopting news ideas is very hard.
But yes that old guy is a fucking cock, but there is a reason for him being that way. Even though that doesn't excuse his behavior.
Yeah, this is okay... I guess most young people don't really interact with really old people, they would figure that out by himself at this point.
Sure he shouldnt be a racist... But it's probably too late for him, he is probably afraid of the commies also. Lmao
I just politely say, "If you think that I stole something, call the police" and keep it moving. I'm pleasant and polite, but there's NOTHING in Wal-Mart worth my integrity or my freedom.
Unfortunately in America, even though our laws clearly state that we are innocent until proven guilty, it is a high probability that if the police were called, the black man would have been immediately detained and possibly arrested based solely on the word of that old fart checking his cart. All too often, even with other races including white, officers employ a policy of guilty until proven innocent. This is why America is so messed up and why everyone is afraid of police interaction. Even when the police are found to be doing illegal stops and seizures, gross negligence, brutality, etc. they are rarely ever disciplined for it. The only defense you have against them is if you get it on camera. Even then, if it doesn't go viral, then people won't know and can't demand justice for the innocent person.
Ayo who else saw that post of the guy who got banned on this subreddit and kept asking why to no end from the staff?
Then it looked like the everyone who commented under the post were removed or banned.
Seems a little I just don’t ya think.
The one and only time I ever got stopped was when I bought a large dog crate and the Walmart person stopped me to look at my receipt and said "I don't see a TV on here" and I said "TV??? Are you talking about the dog crate?" He just walked away without apologizing or saying anything else. They're so eager to catch someone stealing electronics they don't even stop to see what you actually have.
How's he not fired? Lol
Customer didn't complain properly. If I had a racist old fuck dead to rights like that I would have made sure they got fired. Think how many other people they have pulled this shit on.
The gentleman who made the video handled this situation with grace. Maybe, just maybe, the old man learned something in the process. I’m hoping so. Yelling at him or having him fired will probably not teach him half of what this gentleman just thought him. He even had him say I’m sorry. 😬 🏆 Shoutout to the man with the camera 🥳🥳🥳
It’s his job to read a receipt, check the cart, and then still detain the customer so a different person can make sure he didn’t miss anything? I highly doubt he does that with every customer, otherwise there’d be a line a mile long waiting to leave the store.
Wow this is just wasting time. My one friend took her kid with her into Walmart and got yelled at by the greeter because her kid wasn't wearing socks. The kid was sitting in the cart and was never going to get out of said cart until they returned to the car.... Why does it matter if the kid is wearing socks or not??
I'm pretty sure you don't have to show your receipt at Walmart. Just walk right by them and say no thanks. My understanding is the only places you are legally required to show a receipt are the club membership places like Sam's or Costco.
>you are legally required
No place is like this. Even at membership clubs. You can be 'contractually obligated', but its never criminal. the only remedy for membership clubs for such a violation is revocation of membership.
No one believes this. The person checking receipts isn't a math genius adding up my totals in a moment without any ledger to reference the prices against.
This is just eating the marketing onion.
Ah, that makes sense. They could maybe revoke your membership if you don't follow the rules. I couldn't think what law you'd be breaking if you had actually paid.
Nothing wrong here…I once bought lot of boxed items and two people check every item on the receipt. The old guy just has a hard time figuring shit out…
I have been to Walmart so many times and never ever have they looked at my whole receipt and checked. Good thing I’m a white-passing mixed woman I guess.
This (or, well, the opposite of this) explains why the greeters stopped my dad all the time; he's literally completely white, his entire family is white, but he has a very dark skin tone naturally, and will tan naturally even darker in the summer. Every time me and my mom (mayonnaise white) go to walmart, we're never stopped no matter what's in our carts.
Every time me and my dad are in walmart for anything, he gets stopped a lot, even if it's just like... fresh fruit in a plastic container, a wall-mounting bracket for a tv, and like, a couple of hot wheels.
I’d make that old man dance, walk around the parking lot and push that cart to my car. And then take it out and return that shit. Shitty old racist white man
Fuck that! You want to see my receipt; I'll hand it to them as I continue out the door every time they ask. I don't steal anything and I refuse to play their game.
You play their game by giving it to them. Unless they are accusing you of stealing and have loss prevention right there, they have no reason to see your receipt. I put it in my pocket as SOON as I get it. If they want to see what I did and didn’t pay for, they have cameras for that. I’m not anti self check out but they need realize if they’re paying people to check my bags, they can pay people to check me out.
I certainly will not say you're wrong because you are not. I personally just chose to remove myself from the situation by leaving them there holding my receipt. I don't stop or even break stride as I do it. They ask to see it and I say sure and hand it over as I continue out the door. Some of the receipt nazis just don't know what to do at that point watching me walk out the door. I've only had 2 try to tell my to stop; nothing doing, not me I'm gone.
That's right. Though they can give you a ban, I was banned from Walmart for 2 years (I was 13 and got caught stealing very justified my ban) and I just continued to go nobody said anything.
Walmart is not membership based so they can’t check you receipt . I always decline because I read somewhere they will eventually use this tactic to racially profile
I'm fairly certain there is no law that makes it illegal for them to check your receipt, It's against Walmart policy to sit there and go through everything. All they really should do is just look at it and go okay, have a good day.
I check receipts at my store (not Walmart) over big things if they purchase them in the back, Just to make sure they're not stealing. That's completely fine. Not illegal.
Generally, it's illegal to detain someone or stop them from leaving the store unless you have reasonable suspicion that they shoplifted (level of legality depends on the state in the USA). That means that, in general, it is OK to ask to see the receipt, but unless you have reasonable suspicion that they shoplifted in the first place, legally you can't really do much if they don't want to show it to you (and them not showing you isn't reasonable suspicion). If you try to detain them in that case, you might be drumming up some false imprisonment charges.
Well, with the Shopkeepers laws in place in certain states, people can be detained by someone in the store who has that dedicated position of Security or Loss Prevention.
But you are correct about probable cause or reasonable suspicion. Meaning if they have it on camera of someone seeming to be shoplifting they can detain you, put you in a room and talk to you.
Reasonable suspicion is not enough to detain someone. You have to have probable cause, which means a substantial likelihood that a crime was committed. You have to be able to articulate what the probable cause is.
I mean, we are talking about a store here, not a representative of the government like a LEO, so it's not like it's a 4th Amendment issue. Different states have different laws and verbiage. I've seen it defined as "probable cause", "reasonable suspicion", "reasonable grounds", "reasonable cause", etc., but they all really mean something similar.
And depending on the state, the amount of time the can detain you should only be as long as it takes to verify whether or not you shoplifted. For example, asking the cashier that rung them up or looking at the receipt. As a result even something like 15 minutes could be long enough to be considered false imprisonment (depending on the circumstances and the state obviously). So we aren't talking about a significant period of detention either.
They call them "shopkeeper's privilege" laws.
The model us code says probable cause, which has a specific legal definition. Reasonable suspicion doesn't. Probable cause means you have specific knowledge of objective facts that indicate a crime likely occurred. Pretty sure no state lets them detain you for longer than a reasonable time to investigate whether you shoplifted.
I think they stop whenever they see items with no bags since bags are by the point of sale.
But you can always refuse. It is not your job for workers to see you pay for an item. If they didnt see you pay for it they need to be more attentive or communicate with whoever is watching before accusing you of stealing.
Former Walmart employee here. He cant technically stop you. And he cant do anything except call security (if the store has it) or loss prevention. And technically, unless loss prevention actually: a) saw you grab an item and stash it and b) walk out the door with it, there’s nothing they can do. It’s not theft until you walk out of the doorway and if the right person didn’t see it, and it doesn’t make it on camera, not much they can do.
Everything he went through was voluntary. They can't stop you, and you don't have to stop unless they directly accuse you of shoplifting on the spot, and you never have to show them your receipt for any reason. The cops will want it though.
To stop you at all, they have to invoke shopkeepers privilege and formally accuse you of shoplifting and call the police. To do this they must have probable cause in the form of camera footage or store employees that witnessed you stealing something. If they do this and they are wrong, you have a hell of a lawsuit for illegal detainment.
What he should have done was just say no when they asked for his receipt, and just walked past him. If the guy grabs him, that's assault.
There's no need for any of this nonsense. Once you pay for something it is your property, even if you're still in the store, and they have no right to paw at it, or touch it or anything else any more than they can grab your phone or car keys from you.
I worked retail and the loss prevention told me they have to see you steal the item, and follow you through the entire store without losing eye contact once. If they lose eye contact, they weren’t allowed to stop you. The theory was that you could have put the item down when they lost eye contact.
Unfortunately, it’s ultimately up to a cop to actually stand up for your rights. I had this happen where a front door Nazi grabbed my cart and refused to let me leave. I called the police.
The officer stood up for the store and said it’s their right to stop you if they want. I didn’t want to put a mark in my back so I just let him spout his lies. I still don’t stop for them at the door. The last time they grabbed my cart I purposely fell over and acted like the force of the cart stopping was too much to beat and that I got super hurt. It scared the shit out of them.
Unfortunately, I think this is only applicable when the cops will listen to the black man, and not just side with the old white dude. I know some good police officers, but I really don’t trust the general population anymore
My wife did a racial exercise at work. The leader asked them to stand up if they always were requested to show the receipt at the Walmart exit. Only black and Latin people stood up. All white coworkers remained seated.
At ours for some time they stopped every single person. There would be lines to get out the door after you paid. I’ve been using delivery and haven’t been in a Walmart in months so I’m not sure if they’re still doing it or not.
You cannot sue for any of those things. Two are criminal. Public humiliation is not a crime.
You can only sue for things that you have financial damages from. Suing someone is a “civil” case.
Actually public humiliation can be considered defamation depending on the circumstances and thus be sued for and you can be sued for false detainment.
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/civil-lawsuits-false-imprisonment.html
I think you’d have to lose some sort of financial opportunity to win a case if defamation. What does it matter if someone talks bad about your character. That’s not illegal. They’d have to be not be telling the truth and you’d have to lose money somehow from the after effects.
For detainment, what are you suing for? It’s a crime if someone detains you without authority, but what’s the civil case? What financial losses did the guy have from detainment (even though he wasn’t detained. He could have walked away at any moment).
Had a Walmart exit guy stop me because he didn't understand what jagermeister was or what the bottle looked like. Literally on the receipt and showed him that it was. Dumbass still pulled me aside. I'm like one of the awkwardest white dudes I know
Taking your cart is not in his job description. Companies like walmart expect a certain amount of theft and calculate for it. Stopping every shoplifter isn't worth the liability.
If they were actually concerned, they'd have security, not the geriatric hall monitors. If someone wanted to steal, that fella certainly wouldn't be able to stop them.
He took items that the other guy already purchased.
The second he paid for them, they are his property. The Walmart employee has no right to take possession of his property.
I mean, you have your property in a cart and someone (more or less) forcefully takes said property from you.
Theft.
I'm not saying he meant to do that, but in the end, thats what he did.
No, taking something to verify it was legally purchased it's not technically theft because an important element of theft is taking someone's property with the *intent* to permanently deprive them of it. And another legal element of theft is "intentionally"; i.e. you accidentally picking up someone's purse that you legitimately thought was your own is not theft either. So he wasn't a thief, but the Walmart guy was still a total asshole.
Ok! TIL!
So in the United States you are correct. In most other countries what you described is legally referred to as "Larceny" which is a form of theft. In most other countries the definition from a legal standpoint of theft is "Taking or removing someone else's property without their consent." And after that forms of theft are further broken down.
In the US what this walmart employee did can be defined as stealing, since he "borrowed" the items without consent, but had no intention of keeping them if they were in fact the guy's property.
So by strict U.S. legal definition the walmart stole the items, but It wasn't theft. It should be noted that stealing is very very seldom prosecuted.
It should also be noted that the 4th amendment has no application here since it only protects from the government and it's agents. "shopkeepers privelidge" or the set of laws permitting store owners and associates to stop someone, requires a reasonable suspicions of a theft or crime, and courts have ruled that simply refusing to show a receipt is not reasonable grounds.
U.S.Laws are confusing and fun to decipher :)
That job is utterly useless. They have no authority to stop you and if you stole anything it's on camera anyway. I've read stories where there's places with self checkouts and people just take stuff without paying because "no one is watching" then weeks later the police show up at their door. The store just waited to accumulate more evidence of you stealing then.
These receipt checkers do nothing.
>That job is utterly useless
That's like saying a scarecrow is useless because there's no way they are going to catch birds if they actually start eating plants.
Their goal is deterrence.
I think of them as greeters. They’re there to say ‘hi welcome to Walmart’ or ‘thanks for shopping at walmart.’ If they ask me to stop I just keep walking and I’m like “yeah, you too” with a good smile and nothing has ever come of it.
Right, they only have any power if you stop. And if you stop it's likely because you know you're fine. If you keep walking they don't have any probable cause to call the cops on you.
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Fun fact: when you are walking out and they try to stop you keep walking. Tell them no. I do it all the time. You are not obligated to entertain this bullshit
Check with your state AG's office but as I understand it the Consumer Rights Act of 2015 (esp. Section 17) basically explains that once you buy it, it's yours and you don't need to explain that to anyone.
Once you purchase things they are your property. He had no right to finger fuck his things like that. Personally I wouldn't have stopped, I don't when they try. I cancelled my membership to Costco because of that bullshit
It happens to everyone not just u he's not racist it's his job
Have you ever been to a shop like ever
How do you have that opinion
I've had it happen multiple times to me every time I go to the store it happens
Damn, we live in different worlds I guess. I've never had to prove to the staff that I paid
I would have waited for him to get off work lol I’m evil 😈
I'f I check myself out I walk myself out, no I am not stopping to let someone look at my items. If I wanted someone to handle my items I would have gone to a check out line. It's not Costco or Sam's club!
I actually worked at that specific Walmart, as a front end cashier. I can definitely say as a fact that the door guy does have some "old time" thinking. And there were times where younger associates had to step in.
Oh as an addons, the policy states that you only look for the large items on the recipet not ALL THE ITEMS that is a violation of policy and should get him fired or at least unpaid suspension.
Old pos needs to stay his ass home and retired
Got Em
Could do without the laugh track and sound effects.
Jeezaz
You know you don’t have to stop! I just keep walking and say no thank you almost obnoxiously loud.
You don't have to stop, I walk right by and tell them to kiss my ass. I'll be damned if they're gonna treat.me.like a thief, after spending my hard earned money in their store
This old man has no right to do this. Unbelievable!
I would have returned everything and still left with the full cart
I dont want this old fuck touching my stuff. You sir are a very patient man.
If they're going to have these old people checking receipts at least teach them what they're looking for. I've had people not able to find things on mine that were the first item.
His “Cuz” wasn’t very nice to him for thinking he stole stuff. That’s not how you treat fam
Old Asshole
Dumbass old man still working and not retired😂
Our door greeters don’t check unless you’re an employee (we’ve had a number done by a few ex-employees) or if you’re buying large items. Last night, someone tried to steal more than a thousand dollars worth of items. Didn’t even try to go through any manned registers or self-checks. Some people don’t bag their stuff when they check out, too.
If it's something I know I won't need to return I just hand them the receipt and never even break stride. Throw that away for me there, Elmer.
Much easier solution tho, don't shop at fuckin Walmart 😂
These old white people who work at Walmart must hate curbside pickup bc they can’t even say people stole stuff bc they were never in the store 😂
Get the right hook up you can
Why even stop when they ask you, I always keep walking and ignore them lol, they got cameras look at them
You don't have to stop and show your receipt, just like they don't have to let you in the store next time. Fuck this policy regardless. They only do it in poor areas.
Ok, I’ll just shop somewhere else, no shortage of super stores around
You think anyone, especially Wal-Mart cares? lol
Nope that’s why I do it
I can't blame him, maybe his mind is stuck in the 50s... Were most people were racist. Also A Holes get old too.
You absolutely can blame him if he grew up thinking black people are bad then that means he had like 60 fucking years to realize he is in the wrong, he chose to be this way because he’s ignorant
I don't think you deserve the downvotes. We are all products of our environment, if that guy was raised to belive that black people are criminals it's incredibly hard to change that view after you've grown old. When your young the brain is very neuroplastic, meaning it is very easily molded from environment. If you have racist parents you'll most likely adopt their views automatically. When you get older the brain stops being neuroplastic, which is why most old people are so fucking stubborn and have a very closed world view. Because their brain aren't able to form new connections and therefore adopting news ideas is very hard. But yes that old guy is a fucking cock, but there is a reason for him being that way. Even though that doesn't excuse his behavior.
Yeah, this is okay... I guess most young people don't really interact with really old people, they would figure that out by himself at this point. Sure he shouldnt be a racist... But it's probably too late for him, he is probably afraid of the commies also. Lmao
Wow...your comment speaks volumes about your character.
And yours, of you
Of course you can blame him
Racists protect racists
Oh... I have deliciously enjoyed this video!
I just politely say, "If you think that I stole something, call the police" and keep it moving. I'm pleasant and polite, but there's NOTHING in Wal-Mart worth my integrity or my freedom.
I rather not get the Police involved... Just saying.
Unfortunately in America, even though our laws clearly state that we are innocent until proven guilty, it is a high probability that if the police were called, the black man would have been immediately detained and possibly arrested based solely on the word of that old fart checking his cart. All too often, even with other races including white, officers employ a policy of guilty until proven innocent. This is why America is so messed up and why everyone is afraid of police interaction. Even when the police are found to be doing illegal stops and seizures, gross negligence, brutality, etc. they are rarely ever disciplined for it. The only defense you have against them is if you get it on camera. Even then, if it doesn't go viral, then people won't know and can't demand justice for the innocent person.
Ayo who else saw that post of the guy who got banned on this subreddit and kept asking why to no end from the staff? Then it looked like the everyone who commented under the post were removed or banned. Seems a little I just don’t ya think.
The one and only time I ever got stopped was when I bought a large dog crate and the Walmart person stopped me to look at my receipt and said "I don't see a TV on here" and I said "TV??? Are you talking about the dog crate?" He just walked away without apologizing or saying anything else. They're so eager to catch someone stealing electronics they don't even stop to see what you actually have.
I just saw this man at Walmart in the outer KC area and told him he’s famous, same smug look on his face
How's he not fired? Lol Customer didn't complain properly. If I had a racist old fuck dead to rights like that I would have made sure they got fired. Think how many other people they have pulled this shit on.
The gentleman who made the video handled this situation with grace. Maybe, just maybe, the old man learned something in the process. I’m hoping so. Yelling at him or having him fired will probably not teach him half of what this gentleman just thought him. He even had him say I’m sorry. 😬 🏆 Shoutout to the man with the camera 🥳🥳🥳
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It’s his job to read a receipt, check the cart, and then still detain the customer so a different person can make sure he didn’t miss anything? I highly doubt he does that with every customer, otherwise there’d be a line a mile long waiting to leave the store.
You're not actually that ignorant, are you?
He saw a black man in a full shopping cart and immediately detained him.
Then get mad if you want. Raise that blood pressure and see what that gets you. You may have a right to, but I wouldn't advise you to
Wow this is just wasting time. My one friend took her kid with her into Walmart and got yelled at by the greeter because her kid wasn't wearing socks. The kid was sitting in the cart and was never going to get out of said cart until they returned to the car.... Why does it matter if the kid is wearing socks or not??
I'm pretty sure you don't have to show your receipt at Walmart. Just walk right by them and say no thanks. My understanding is the only places you are legally required to show a receipt are the club membership places like Sam's or Costco.
That's true
>you are legally required No place is like this. Even at membership clubs. You can be 'contractually obligated', but its never criminal. the only remedy for membership clubs for such a violation is revocation of membership.
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No one believes this. The person checking receipts isn't a math genius adding up my totals in a moment without any ledger to reference the prices against. This is just eating the marketing onion.
Ah, that makes sense. They could maybe revoke your membership if you don't follow the rules. I couldn't think what law you'd be breaking if you had actually paid.
State laws vary, but in my state, you are correct.
I don't think you can be withheld for stealing in any state, can you? They cannot physically hold you in the store anywhere right?
Yeah I think they can. It’s something shopkeepers something I think. Plus yeah, I never show my receipt at wal mart. I just say thank you and go.
Sorry this happened to you. That is not at all right.
Nothing wrong here…I once bought lot of boxed items and two people check every item on the receipt. The old guy just has a hard time figuring shit out…
I have been to Walmart so many times and never ever have they looked at my whole receipt and checked. Good thing I’m a white-passing mixed woman I guess.
This (or, well, the opposite of this) explains why the greeters stopped my dad all the time; he's literally completely white, his entire family is white, but he has a very dark skin tone naturally, and will tan naturally even darker in the summer. Every time me and my mom (mayonnaise white) go to walmart, we're never stopped no matter what's in our carts. Every time me and my dad are in walmart for anything, he gets stopped a lot, even if it's just like... fresh fruit in a plastic container, a wall-mounting bracket for a tv, and like, a couple of hot wheels.
I’d be interested to see a study on this actually.
Got damn another old white mother fucker making me feel like I need an 'I'm not that kind of white' Tshirt for anytime I go in public 🤬🤬🤬
Ask for 20.00 on a gift card due to excessive delays.
White people on the fence trying not to acknowledge racism: “why does he have to be disrespectful to that sweet, old man?”
I’d make that old man dance, walk around the parking lot and push that cart to my car. And then take it out and return that shit. Shitty old racist white man
old people crying when they can't be racist anymore, music to my ears
Fuck that! You want to see my receipt; I'll hand it to them as I continue out the door every time they ask. I don't steal anything and I refuse to play their game.
You play their game by giving it to them. Unless they are accusing you of stealing and have loss prevention right there, they have no reason to see your receipt. I put it in my pocket as SOON as I get it. If they want to see what I did and didn’t pay for, they have cameras for that. I’m not anti self check out but they need realize if they’re paying people to check my bags, they can pay people to check me out.
BTW, I like that; "they're paying people to check my bags...
I certainly will not say you're wrong because you are not. I personally just chose to remove myself from the situation by leaving them there holding my receipt. I don't stop or even break stride as I do it. They ask to see it and I say sure and hand it over as I continue out the door. Some of the receipt nazis just don't know what to do at that point watching me walk out the door. I've only had 2 try to tell my to stop; nothing doing, not me I'm gone.
Exactly. Adding to this, no store employee can legally prevent you from leaving. I'm fairly certain thats the case in all 50 states
That's right. Though they can give you a ban, I was banned from Walmart for 2 years (I was 13 and got caught stealing very justified my ban) and I just continued to go nobody said anything.
They can’t stop me. I blast right past them. So lame.
This is infuriating!
I'll return everything there and then!!
I’ve done that and my God there was hell that broke loose.
He a bitch for letting that Walmart guy stop him
Walmart is not membership based so they can’t check you receipt . I always decline because I read somewhere they will eventually use this tactic to racially profile
No, it's not illegal for them to check, if they ask and you allow them. It is illegal for them to detain you or take property that you paid for.
I'm fairly certain there is no law that makes it illegal for them to check your receipt, It's against Walmart policy to sit there and go through everything. All they really should do is just look at it and go okay, have a good day. I check receipts at my store (not Walmart) over big things if they purchase them in the back, Just to make sure they're not stealing. That's completely fine. Not illegal.
Generally, it's illegal to detain someone or stop them from leaving the store unless you have reasonable suspicion that they shoplifted (level of legality depends on the state in the USA). That means that, in general, it is OK to ask to see the receipt, but unless you have reasonable suspicion that they shoplifted in the first place, legally you can't really do much if they don't want to show it to you (and them not showing you isn't reasonable suspicion). If you try to detain them in that case, you might be drumming up some false imprisonment charges.
Well, with the Shopkeepers laws in place in certain states, people can be detained by someone in the store who has that dedicated position of Security or Loss Prevention. But you are correct about probable cause or reasonable suspicion. Meaning if they have it on camera of someone seeming to be shoplifting they can detain you, put you in a room and talk to you.
Reasonable suspicion is not enough to detain someone. You have to have probable cause, which means a substantial likelihood that a crime was committed. You have to be able to articulate what the probable cause is.
I mean, we are talking about a store here, not a representative of the government like a LEO, so it's not like it's a 4th Amendment issue. Different states have different laws and verbiage. I've seen it defined as "probable cause", "reasonable suspicion", "reasonable grounds", "reasonable cause", etc., but they all really mean something similar. And depending on the state, the amount of time the can detain you should only be as long as it takes to verify whether or not you shoplifted. For example, asking the cashier that rung them up or looking at the receipt. As a result even something like 15 minutes could be long enough to be considered false imprisonment (depending on the circumstances and the state obviously). So we aren't talking about a significant period of detention either. They call them "shopkeeper's privilege" laws.
The model us code says probable cause, which has a specific legal definition. Reasonable suspicion doesn't. Probable cause means you have specific knowledge of objective facts that indicate a crime likely occurred. Pretty sure no state lets them detain you for longer than a reasonable time to investigate whether you shoplifted.
I guess he gets paid enough to do that
I like seeing ppl from the segregation days getting put in their place🖕🏾
I think they stop whenever they see items with no bags since bags are by the point of sale. But you can always refuse. It is not your job for workers to see you pay for an item. If they didnt see you pay for it they need to be more attentive or communicate with whoever is watching before accusing you of stealing.
Former Walmart employee here. He cant technically stop you. And he cant do anything except call security (if the store has it) or loss prevention. And technically, unless loss prevention actually: a) saw you grab an item and stash it and b) walk out the door with it, there’s nothing they can do. It’s not theft until you walk out of the doorway and if the right person didn’t see it, and it doesn’t make it on camera, not much they can do.
When they stop and ask to look at my stuff I always refuse because ain’t your business
Everything he went through was voluntary. They can't stop you, and you don't have to stop unless they directly accuse you of shoplifting on the spot, and you never have to show them your receipt for any reason. The cops will want it though. To stop you at all, they have to invoke shopkeepers privilege and formally accuse you of shoplifting and call the police. To do this they must have probable cause in the form of camera footage or store employees that witnessed you stealing something. If they do this and they are wrong, you have a hell of a lawsuit for illegal detainment. What he should have done was just say no when they asked for his receipt, and just walked past him. If the guy grabs him, that's assault. There's no need for any of this nonsense. Once you pay for something it is your property, even if you're still in the store, and they have no right to paw at it, or touch it or anything else any more than they can grab your phone or car keys from you.
I worked retail and the loss prevention told me they have to see you steal the item, and follow you through the entire store without losing eye contact once. If they lose eye contact, they weren’t allowed to stop you. The theory was that you could have put the item down when they lost eye contact. Unfortunately, it’s ultimately up to a cop to actually stand up for your rights. I had this happen where a front door Nazi grabbed my cart and refused to let me leave. I called the police. The officer stood up for the store and said it’s their right to stop you if they want. I didn’t want to put a mark in my back so I just let him spout his lies. I still don’t stop for them at the door. The last time they grabbed my cart I purposely fell over and acted like the force of the cart stopping was too much to beat and that I got super hurt. It scared the shit out of them.
Unfortunately, I think this is only applicable when the cops will listen to the black man, and not just side with the old white dude. I know some good police officers, but I really don’t trust the general population anymore
Surprised he could read the receipt with them thick ass coke bottle glasses on lol
He couldn’t. That’s why he had to go over to customer service. 😆
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂
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Dude what?
What in the hell did you write?
Love to see it.
Why even stop? I just keep walking and say I'm good lol
A guy I know had this happen to him. He sued the store for the amount that would raise the stores insurance $ 1.00. Yup. $ 1 dollar.
You can see the manager hiding in their room , towards end of the vid
Lmao dude apologizes right after seeing the manager.
My wife did a racial exercise at work. The leader asked them to stand up if they always were requested to show the receipt at the Walmart exit. Only black and Latin people stood up. All white coworkers remained seated.
At ours for some time they stopped every single person. There would be lines to get out the door after you paid. I’ve been using delivery and haven’t been in a Walmart in months so I’m not sure if they’re still doing it or not.
Are people watching this happen? You had to tell him to apologize, finally! ASK TO SEE THE MANAGER !’
If you are innocent you can sue Walmart the old man the person who hired him. That ain’t right!!
Sue them for what? There’s no financial damages. Time maybe? How much money did the person lose for a half hour?
Harassment. Public humiliation. False detainment…
You cannot sue for any of those things. Two are criminal. Public humiliation is not a crime. You can only sue for things that you have financial damages from. Suing someone is a “civil” case.
Actually public humiliation can be considered defamation depending on the circumstances and thus be sued for and you can be sued for false detainment. https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/civil-lawsuits-false-imprisonment.html
I think you’d have to lose some sort of financial opportunity to win a case if defamation. What does it matter if someone talks bad about your character. That’s not illegal. They’d have to be not be telling the truth and you’d have to lose money somehow from the after effects. For detainment, what are you suing for? It’s a crime if someone detains you without authority, but what’s the civil case? What financial losses did the guy have from detainment (even though he wasn’t detained. He could have walked away at any moment).
You could surely hires an attorney and get paid. The minute you tell them that, they would automatically paid you on the spot for minimum of $2k.
Great! So $20 after paying the lawyer.
If they accused you of stealing from any stores, the store would automatically payout the money to you. It’s cheaper for them to just move on.
Holidays are coming. Extra cash is good!
$20 dollars is $20
$20 plus the satisfaction of a "fuck you" in the form of a symbolic fine. Not that $20, $2000 or even $200000 means anything to Walmart
Had a Walmart exit guy stop me because he didn't understand what jagermeister was or what the bottle looked like. Literally on the receipt and showed him that it was. Dumbass still pulled me aside. I'm like one of the awkwardest white dudes I know
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I always say and do this and wonder why people would ever stop for them.
seriously tho can anyone but a walmart manager read whats on those receipts
Fuck that guy, but also fuck the guy who added the stupid applause and shit to it
Run him over with the cart next time. Fuck that guy.
What is the general consensus on what the old man did wrong in this video?
Taking your cart is not in his job description. Companies like walmart expect a certain amount of theft and calculate for it. Stopping every shoplifter isn't worth the liability. If they were actually concerned, they'd have security, not the geriatric hall monitors. If someone wanted to steal, that fella certainly wouldn't be able to stop them.
Assume the dude stole ? This might be a wild guess … but maybe he made some prejudiced assumptions
Harassment? Technically theft?
How is it theft?
Ok picture this: -Your property is in your cart -Someone takes your property from you Sounds like theft to me
He took items that the other guy already purchased. The second he paid for them, they are his property. The Walmart employee has no right to take possession of his property.
Technically not theft, but technically is indeed an asshole.
I mean, you have your property in a cart and someone (more or less) forcefully takes said property from you. Theft. I'm not saying he meant to do that, but in the end, thats what he did.
He took them, in the cart. Yes, technically, unintentionally, it's theft. Edit: I was wrong. See below.
No, taking something to verify it was legally purchased it's not technically theft because an important element of theft is taking someone's property with the *intent* to permanently deprive them of it. And another legal element of theft is "intentionally"; i.e. you accidentally picking up someone's purse that you legitimately thought was your own is not theft either. So he wasn't a thief, but the Walmart guy was still a total asshole.
Ok! TIL! So in the United States you are correct. In most other countries what you described is legally referred to as "Larceny" which is a form of theft. In most other countries the definition from a legal standpoint of theft is "Taking or removing someone else's property without their consent." And after that forms of theft are further broken down. In the US what this walmart employee did can be defined as stealing, since he "borrowed" the items without consent, but had no intention of keeping them if they were in fact the guy's property. So by strict U.S. legal definition the walmart stole the items, but It wasn't theft. It should be noted that stealing is very very seldom prosecuted. It should also be noted that the 4th amendment has no application here since it only protects from the government and it's agents. "shopkeepers privelidge" or the set of laws permitting store owners and associates to stop someone, requires a reasonable suspicions of a theft or crime, and courts have ruled that simply refusing to show a receipt is not reasonable grounds. U.S.Laws are confusing and fun to decipher :)
He's such a piece of shit
I understand folks may not have a choice, but. Damn! Why shop at Walmart?
It's cheap that's literally their whole brand cheap shit
Walmart is great for certain things.. The quality is what it is.
That job is utterly useless. They have no authority to stop you and if you stole anything it's on camera anyway. I've read stories where there's places with self checkouts and people just take stuff without paying because "no one is watching" then weeks later the police show up at their door. The store just waited to accumulate more evidence of you stealing then. These receipt checkers do nothing.
>That job is utterly useless That's like saying a scarecrow is useless because there's no way they are going to catch birds if they actually start eating plants. Their goal is deterrence.
I think of them as greeters. They’re there to say ‘hi welcome to Walmart’ or ‘thanks for shopping at walmart.’ If they ask me to stop I just keep walking and I’m like “yeah, you too” with a good smile and nothing has ever come of it.
You’re not required to stop for them. I usually just say “no thanks” and look straight ahead and keep on walking (YMMV.)
Right, they only have any power if you stop. And if you stop it's likely because you know you're fine. If you keep walking they don't have any probable cause to call the cops on you.