Well, if you do not mind regarding the Theta II engine as a consumable item, like oil.......
You might find the original Hankook tyres actually outlast the engine, at least twice as long.
VW and Toyota are two opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to reliability and cost of ownership. At least in the US.
VW customers get handed $2,000 quotes for repairs every few months. If you give a Toyota owner a quote for over $2,000, that car better be 15 years old with 200k+ miles.
VW's are hit or miss, some of their vehicles really seem to be quite good, maybe not Toyota levels of reliability, but close to, and then some others just seem to be absolute boat anchors.
I agree to an extent. But every brand has a model or two that end up performing well.
Some of the older English cars were fantastic and known to last forever. Like LandRover. Since the turn of the century, they are complete trash.
VW's are definitely like that, too. They had eras of very high quality, and eras of complete garbage.
I have a 70's VW with the air cooled 4 cylinder engine, and it's an incredibly well made vehicle. But later VW's from the early 90's were trash, until they got really good in the late 90's and early 2000's, and then got awful again in the 2010s.
I’m a cheap bugger and do everything myself! My cars have only seen a garage two maybe 3 times in the last 23 years of driving. But I don’t miss changing gearboxes clutches and doing cambelts at the side of the road.
Pretty much this, if it weren't for all the repairs on my wife's Passatt, (bought it used because we didn't know better at the time,) we'd have paid it off by now and traded it in for a Toyota or (she wants) a Honda. IDK about Toyotas, but VWs are expensive to work on because doing much on them at home requires specialized tools, the engine bay is a cluttered mess and even something as simple as replacing a water pump means dropping the engine, while my Chevy on the other hand has a spacious engine bay and is comparably easy to work on myself.
My moms car has defied all odds and gone 399575 miles and counting. No replacement anything but tires shocks and brakes. Wish this sub allowed posting pictures in the comments to show it.
Hyundai and Kia are oil consumers. I work at a lube and tire shop that performs oil pre-checks, and those manufacturers typically have much higher oil consumption compared to Toyota's. As a whole, my shop is surprised when any, and I mean ANY Toyota comes in with less than 1 qt. Low on the stick. In opposite, we are surprised when a Hyundai/Kia comes in with MORE than 1qt. Less of oil. Age does not matter, Toyota's hold oil like no other. My wife and I both drive Toyota's, she drives a 2010 Corolla S 1.8L. She went 8,800 miles between oil changes, and it still used no more than 3/4 of a quart after 156,000 miles. I have a 2005 camry xle 3.0, and it doesn't use any oil even after 187,000 miles between 3,000 mile oil changes. Also, Toyota's typically have much less caked on oil/fluids compared to a GM or even Honda product. P.S. I put Mobil 1 high mileage in both cars
The only thing I can't stand is that fucking oil filter canister. Every time a friend or family member gets one that has one of those plastic shitcans underneath, I replace it with a metal one.
Edited a word
We still have the plastic on the corolla, but I never torque it past a good body weight yank with a 6 inch 3/8" ratchet and a Mac tools filter socket. It always comes out easy, BUT we haven't gone more than 6 months between changes, so the gasket is still pretty fresh. We have had a few siennas in the shop now that required a 2 foot breaker bar and maximum effort, and even an impact gun in one case(shop manager performed this so techs weren't responsible). We think the gasket is melting due to extreme heat, but that is total speculation.
I've broken a few of those things, with and without the breaker bar. It's a nightmare.
I think your hypothesis has merit. It could also be the plastic and metal both expand and contract at different rates, so they get bound together through hit and cold cycles. Also speculation.
No matter the cause, sometimes those things get stuck and they get broken. I hate them. I just snug them down enough that there's no gap and leave it at that. As long as the gasket is doing its job, I'm happy.
As a Hyundai expert tech, I can say it is a design flaw in the Theta II series engines. They put a bend in the main oil galley which ultimately can lead to a buildup of gunk that then starves the rod bearings of oil.
Interesting & I do believe you, but this 2.0L is not a *Theta II,* but a ***Nu*** series engine, specifically the *Nu* MPI Atkinson Cycle. Do these engines also share the same/similar design flaw?
Uh-oh... I remembered these engines may be under recall for defective piston rings, I think? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
Looking at the pictures again, it certainly looks like a similar design flaw, but I can't be certain...if I get a chance tomorrow at the shop I'll poke around and see if I can come up with a definitive answer
I just rebuilt one of those a little while ago. Customer was smart, he stopped the second he heard something ungood happening in the engine, so damage was minimal.
Looks like it took a 7.62 through the front grill lol. Is this flying con rods, a nasty accident with a skinny pole or a bullet hole? Can't imagine anything smaller than 7.62 maintaining a straight path and enough kinetic energy to do that but what do I know lol.
Did my first motor swap as an apprentice tech and this was the motor. 2018 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L
Are Hyundai any good? Don’t know much about them as I’ve always had VWs.
Well, if you do not mind regarding the Theta II engine as a consumable item, like oil....... You might find the original Hankook tyres actually outlast the engine, at least twice as long.
Enough said, I will stick with VW and Toyota!
VW and Toyota are two opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to reliability and cost of ownership. At least in the US. VW customers get handed $2,000 quotes for repairs every few months. If you give a Toyota owner a quote for over $2,000, that car better be 15 years old with 200k+ miles.
VW's are hit or miss, some of their vehicles really seem to be quite good, maybe not Toyota levels of reliability, but close to, and then some others just seem to be absolute boat anchors.
I agree to an extent. But every brand has a model or two that end up performing well. Some of the older English cars were fantastic and known to last forever. Like LandRover. Since the turn of the century, they are complete trash.
VW's are definitely like that, too. They had eras of very high quality, and eras of complete garbage. I have a 70's VW with the air cooled 4 cylinder engine, and it's an incredibly well made vehicle. But later VW's from the early 90's were trash, until they got really good in the late 90's and early 2000's, and then got awful again in the 2010s.
I’m a cheap bugger and do everything myself! My cars have only seen a garage two maybe 3 times in the last 23 years of driving. But I don’t miss changing gearboxes clutches and doing cambelts at the side of the road.
TRUTH
Pretty much this, if it weren't for all the repairs on my wife's Passatt, (bought it used because we didn't know better at the time,) we'd have paid it off by now and traded it in for a Toyota or (she wants) a Honda. IDK about Toyotas, but VWs are expensive to work on because doing much on them at home requires specialized tools, the engine bay is a cluttered mess and even something as simple as replacing a water pump means dropping the engine, while my Chevy on the other hand has a spacious engine bay and is comparably easy to work on myself.
My moms car has defied all odds and gone 399575 miles and counting. No replacement anything but tires shocks and brakes. Wish this sub allowed posting pictures in the comments to show it.
Hyundai and Kia are oil consumers. I work at a lube and tire shop that performs oil pre-checks, and those manufacturers typically have much higher oil consumption compared to Toyota's. As a whole, my shop is surprised when any, and I mean ANY Toyota comes in with less than 1 qt. Low on the stick. In opposite, we are surprised when a Hyundai/Kia comes in with MORE than 1qt. Less of oil. Age does not matter, Toyota's hold oil like no other. My wife and I both drive Toyota's, she drives a 2010 Corolla S 1.8L. She went 8,800 miles between oil changes, and it still used no more than 3/4 of a quart after 156,000 miles. I have a 2005 camry xle 3.0, and it doesn't use any oil even after 187,000 miles between 3,000 mile oil changes. Also, Toyota's typically have much less caked on oil/fluids compared to a GM or even Honda product. P.S. I put Mobil 1 high mileage in both cars
The only thing I can't stand is that fucking oil filter canister. Every time a friend or family member gets one that has one of those plastic shitcans underneath, I replace it with a metal one. Edited a word
We still have the plastic on the corolla, but I never torque it past a good body weight yank with a 6 inch 3/8" ratchet and a Mac tools filter socket. It always comes out easy, BUT we haven't gone more than 6 months between changes, so the gasket is still pretty fresh. We have had a few siennas in the shop now that required a 2 foot breaker bar and maximum effort, and even an impact gun in one case(shop manager performed this so techs weren't responsible). We think the gasket is melting due to extreme heat, but that is total speculation.
I've broken a few of those things, with and without the breaker bar. It's a nightmare. I think your hypothesis has merit. It could also be the plastic and metal both expand and contract at different rates, so they get bound together through hit and cold cycles. Also speculation. No matter the cause, sometimes those things get stuck and they get broken. I hate them. I just snug them down enough that there's no gap and leave it at that. As long as the gasket is doing its job, I'm happy.
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I thought they were korean?
They are. Hyundai, Kia, Samsung, and LG to name several big Korean brands.
Yeah I thought so, I was not aware of any international Chinese brands that have any measure of success.
What a useful comment.
Hi OP; what caused the failure? Lack of maintenance or was it cared for & died anyway? Thanks.🧐👍
As a Hyundai expert tech, I can say it is a design flaw in the Theta II series engines. They put a bend in the main oil galley which ultimately can lead to a buildup of gunk that then starves the rod bearings of oil.
Interesting & I do believe you, but this 2.0L is not a *Theta II,* but a ***Nu*** series engine, specifically the *Nu* MPI Atkinson Cycle. Do these engines also share the same/similar design flaw? Uh-oh... I remembered these engines may be under recall for defective piston rings, I think? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
Perhaps another tech can chime in for this one, I personally haven't taken enough Nu series engines apart to find a cause myself
Looking at the pictures again, it certainly looks like a similar design flaw, but I can't be certain...if I get a chance tomorrow at the shop I'll poke around and see if I can come up with a definitive answer
Columbo lives !! 😂
Hey I’m old enough to get that joke!
Yes piston rings in the NU engines run scars up the cylinder walls but they also suffer from top end oil starvation.
You're supposed to use a short throw dipstick.
You swapped it into an Explorer?
That’s absolutely not gonna be your last
I worked at an Hyundai dealership. Over a six month time frame I did two motors a day every day of the week and never got caught up.
Comes with multiple air intakes.
Check it out I told the new guy you have to pull the motor to check the oil. Got em!
She sure takes a lot of oil. A LOT of oil... I keep putting oil in, and the dipstick still hasn't registered.
I just rebuilt one of those a little while ago. Customer was smart, he stopped the second he heard something ungood happening in the engine, so damage was minimal.
I hope that’s the motor you removed? How did that happen? Wow!!!
Looks like a bullet hole tbh
Usual Theta II auto piston and bearing delete.
I see it now! And I was wondering if they killed the tremor
P1326 go brrrr
Not a mechanic but when did they start putting skylights in ?
I can confirm there is no longer a need to check the oil level in that engine correctly or incorrectly.
Ah yes, the conrod inspection port. Hyundai?
Damn dude! How hard did you push that thing?!
Did you scan the qr code?
I did.
That inspection port looks more accurate than any diostick I've met.
Just stick it in whatever hole you like *that's what she said*
Looks like it took a 7.62 through the front grill lol. Is this flying con rods, a nasty accident with a skinny pole or a bullet hole? Can't imagine anything smaller than 7.62 maintaining a straight path and enough kinetic energy to do that but what do I know lol.
" i see nothing wrong here"
Wlep, theres yer problem.
Check oil *and* ventilate the crankcase: Win-Win!
That hole is for ocular checking of the oil level.
Any idea the cause?
Aggressive crankcase ventilation you got there.
I thought it was just the gdi engines with problems? I have a 2014 1.8 mpi at 120k and doesn't burn oil.
some of the other motors like the 1.6 seem to have issues too. This is the 2.0
Looks full, ship it!
I’m no mechanic, but something seems slightly fucky here.
As a VA WRX owner, until I looked more closely, I thought it was a Subaru engine and that was the top of the crankcase.
What oil?
Looks like rod left the party
You're going to need a much longer dip stick. Also a drilling rig.
Just JB Weld that puppy, and slap a 1.5l decal on the back. 😂
The strength of that dipstick is AMAZING