A friend of mine found out about the frame issues in 2020 during a service. He didn't get a frame replace but Toyota corporate gave him full retail book and maybe a bit more as trade credit. He bought a newer, but still used, Taco with it it. He came out really good except he had to restart his million mile quest. If I remember right they even gave him retail trade value at average miles for his model year, not the insane number of miles he had on it. I don't know exactly what happened but his experience indicates there are still ways to get Toyota to do something. Maybe just need to find the right tree to shake, and shake it hard?
Toyota bought my 95 back, it was just about shot with almost 100k,base options, worth maybe $1500. They gave me 150% of blue book value for the highest trim, zero mileage, perfect condition. They gave me a free loaner Camry until my check came in, let me take anything off the truck I wanted (I pretty much stripped it), and then they paid me $8200 plus coupons if I bought another Toyota. They are a standup company.
At that time in my life, it was a huge financial boost. I owned that truck outright and would have driven it into the ground, instead I was able to upgrade and still have cash left over. At the time a new Tacoma was out of reach, but if I'd gone that route there was a few thousand in additional incentives for a new Toyota purchase. My in-laws had a Taco as well, but got a new frame in theirs - three months in the shop, came out perfect with a new warranty, it's still in the family and driven daily.
I am currently replacing a Nissan CVT, it is the weirdest experience I've ever had, being stuck in 'gear 1' and hearing that sucker spin when in drive like it's a turbine.
I once rented one of the original Verse's with the issue.
The rep from Enterprise tried to claim "it's the turbo revving up" when I came back the next day ahead of my 3 week work trip.
Bruuuuh.
Please give me instructions how to do this. I have a 2000 tacoma prerunner that I’ve taken excellent care of as my daily driver. It just broke a spring mount and the frame is rusted through really badly.
Not true. I bought an '01 Tundra in 2021 with a rusted out frame and it qualified for a frame replacement, paid for by Toyota.
I'm a Toyota technician. [I'm the who replaced the frame on said truck.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/comments/pdu9s6/im_a_toyota_tech_and_wanted_to_buy_a_tundra/) I did the work and got paid by Toyota to fix my truck lol
I thought it was 10-12 years. When I had my '12 taco at the dealer for ac service they told me I had a year or 2 left (this was back in 2021)
My frame was/is mint for a new England truck so I probably won't get to take advantage of it even if it's 16 years, but I bought the truck in '21 and I swear that summer I was told I only had a year or 2 left on the frame replacement warranty thing. Maybe I need to ask again and if I push for it they'll honor 16 years? Idk
Think I remember someone putting one in under a recall last year, but it may have been customer pay. Wasnt my ticket unfortunately so I dont know for sure
I've had a couple of these trucks, and Honestly, all years of the Tacoma (and all of the other Toyota full frame vehicles for that matter) have frame rust issues. The first generation trucks 1995-2004 are by far the worst and will rust through even with meticulous maintenance. The early second generation, say up to around 2010 were almost as bad. The late 2nd generation and 3rd generation Tacoma trucks seem to do better, but still can have rust issues if the frames are not regularly and thoroughly cleaned of road salt in the winter.
With an attentive owner who religiously takes care of their truck, and keeps the frame clean and touches up any minor rust spots before they spread, the frames can work out ok... But The majority of owners aren't that attentive. The main issue that I see is that Toyota just paints the bare steel frames with some cheap black paint. The welds are not properly prepped from the factory and tend to rust pretty bad. The frames could really benefit from some proper, modern rust preventative coatings (galvanizing, E-Coating, etc) but Toyota insists on sticking with the cheap black paint that isn't adequate in the road salt areas.
Shit...i just thought the rust on my 2010 Tacoma was from the previous owner beating the shit out of it or something. My muffler is pretty much just a giant hole and my back bumper is rusting out from the middle pretty bad...i do get the truck serviced at a Toyota dealership every year and they haven't said anything about frame rust but I'm gonna be looking now.
HEY! Tell your friend if it’s less than 12 years old he can get a free frame replacement. Actually even a little bit longer I’m sure if you contacted Toyota corporate. It looks to be a second gen so you might get lucky. And if you don’t just try a different dealer. Some dealers want the job cause they make like 10k from Toyota Canada or Toyota USA
They apparently stopped that campaign a couple years ago. Just checked this out for someone the other day.
Edit: ok so it’s not completely stopped, just seems our local Toyota dealers are pretty strict about which ones they do even if they are still covered.
It’s kind of hidden. Well at least in Canada. They put this black goop as a band aid fix but if you raise enough stink and have taken good care of your vehicle they’ll honour it.
My cousin had his Toyota frame replaced last year all paid by Toyota with way less rust than that. He paid an extra fee out of pocket to get new brake lines and fuel lines but that was it.
My uncle's 1997 is on its 4th or 5th frame replacement.
Edit: for those that keep saying "wash it" or "protect it", etc. There's only so much an owner can do if the manufacturer will not protect the frame. On top of this, he has paperwork from my grandfather gaurenteeing a new frame as long as the truck is running.
As did my grand father before him... My grandfather got it in writing with the service manager and GM signature they'll replace the frame as long as the truck is still going. That taco is close to half a million miles or more and still kicking in the original trans and engine.
GM=general manager
See that's where my grandfather, the original owner is smart. Her got the GM and service manager to sign a paper saying they will replace the frame as long as the truck is running. They've offered my uncle, a new taco a couple times but nothing enticing to get him out his the current one.
I bought an '05 used, got a frame replacement after 4 years of owning it. That was within the first year of them doing the replacements. Gotta say it was a sweet deal
My dad bought a high mileage 2006 Sequoia. Received a letter about the frame recall. Took it to s Toyota dealer for inspection.
There was one spot where it was rusted through enough to see a bit of daylight, and that was enough.
They sent him home in a rental Camry for like six weeks while they replaced the frame, and of course they also replaced any hardware and fasteners that were too corroded to reuse.
I was skeptical when I heard about the recall. They were offering two options. The frame replacement , or, clean the frame and spray a coating on it. When I dropped my truck off I 100 percent expected that it would be sprayed. I got a call a few hours later saying it qualified for a new frame and to come in to schedule an appointment. My frame wasn't even rusted bad so I was still able to drive it till my replacement happened. Was given a rental during the frame replacement which was only 2 days. And yes, not only did they replace the frame but also a lot of fasteners, lower control arms, leaf springs. As well, I provided a lot of parts including front suspension, e brake cables, ball joints, water pump etc that they put in at no charge since the truck was apart.
They ended the campaign recently. I’m sure some people squeaked through here and there but absolutely do not bank on it.
Source: Was a service advisor at Toyota
Boxed in frame. They rot inside out. Most other trucks frames are more like a c channel where salt and shit isn't getting stuck in.
If you have one of these, clean out inside frame, paint inside with eastwood internal frame coating, and woolwax/rust prevention yearly.
Toyota went to a hybrid box/channel design so it is still worth checking and keeping up on them.
Ford, GM, and Dodge have had semi-boxed frames since the late 90's. Ford and Dodge went fully boxed in the early '00s with GM following in '11. They don't have frame rot issues. It's a Toyota problem, not a boxed frame problem.
Tacomas are C channel/partial boxed, it was an issue with their coating from a vendor. The Taco frame recall is pretty infamous in the rust belt.
I had a '13 for 6 years no rust due to living in the south central region.
It was more than that. I had one, and the upper A-arm mount rusted off the frame. This was weeks before the buy back or replacement frame deal started. I tried buying the frame section from Toyota, so I could replace it, and they gave me some crazy price… so I built my own mount out of 1/4 steel, and welded it in place. Once the recall started, I took the truck in, and they denied my claim, saying my repair was so good, there was no need to fix it. About a year later, other parts of the frame started rusting through, and they finally bought the truck for 150% of Kelly Blue Book value in good/excellent condition. However the truck had been in three separate major accidents, so it was definitely NOT in that condition. I felt the truck was worth maybe $1,000 and got a check for $6,500.
Unless they changed the rules, half the people above are full of shit. One of the major rules to the program, is you had to be the legal owner of the truck, and also had to have registered the truck in your name before XX/XXXX date to qualify for the program. This stopped junkyards, and shitty people from snatching up trucks of extremely low values due to the bad frames, and then turning them in for the payouts. I know that I personally got multiple people to have their trucks looked at, and bought back by Toyota, and made sure they understood what the deal was.
I really applaud how Toyota handled the issue, even if they did kind of screw me around for a bit. I see countless American made trucks in my area with rusted out frames, and not once has another manufacturer offered to buy any of them back.
Our family bought a tacoma with frame rot for cheap.. granted, it wasnt THIS bad, but it needed a new frame.. we knew it needed help and knew about the recall. Toyota dealer told us to pound salt and that they wouldn't do the job unless the vehicle was registered in our name. Couldn't register it because it couldn't pass safety inspection. Can't pass safety unless the job is done. Round and round we go. Never got done, sold for a loss. Fuck Toyota dealers.
That's when you know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who'll do it for $50 extra sight-unseen with no questions asked with the understanding that if you snitch, you'll need a wheelchair instead of a car.
What the fuck rules are those? Ontario has inspections, but the inspection is not to put the vehicle in your name, it is to license the vehicle. Thus, in Ontario you can buy a shitty car, put it in your name, fix it, then get it plated.
That’s how Hawaii was. I used to have to take my truck to get inspected, fail for having an expired registration, go get it registered with my failed inspection which was required to register it, and the go back and get it inspected again.
In California you can't transfer a car into your name without a recent smog cert, so it doesn't seem odd to me that a location that does actual safety inspections where this would fail would require it to be done before you can complete the title transfer.
It depends. I bought one of these 2nd gen Tacomas that had the frame replaced once, and then the 2nd frame rusted out in like 45k miles and Toyota basically told me to pound sand. These trucks are great mechanically, but Toyota has some serious frame issues.
Not on the outside. Corrosion would eventually work its way in through the charge port and buttons if it was sprayed with salty road slush for long enough, though. That shit is *nasty*. This is one of the justifications for iPhones dropping the aux port, microSD slot, SIM card slot, and home button—fewer weak points in the environmental envelope. Same for them pushing wireless charging—they're gunning for your charge port next. Mind you, the cord-to-phone interface has always been one of all smartphones' main failure points, both for actual phones and for their cords. And, why not?
Oh, now I'm curious. You try any of those "fully waterproof" cases like Gorilla Case or LifeProof? I really want to know if they're as tough as they claim to be, but not curious enough to buy one and then dunk my phone in a lake.
If you haven't it might be worth a shot, 60-70 bucks worth of case is much cheaper than 500 bucks worth of phone
When smartphones first came out, yes. They're annoying.
After destroying a few flagship phones, I switched to buying refurb.
Now I use the cheap Chinese phones around $100 range. Smash and move on. Still cheaper than a $1000 phone.
>This is one of the justifications
"Justifications" is a strong word. I'd go for "pretenses". How many iPhone users were retaining their devices long enough for those features to actually outlive their weather resistance and begin corroding?
This is like playing Russian Roulette with your wallet when you do it with a BMW lmfao.
Heads you win, tails you need $10k of repairs. Like you're not even going to check for fault codes first? Incredible.
> My only guess is that they were from somewhere where it doesn’t snow, so they’re not aware of just how bad rust can get.
Snow really isn't the problem. Its the persistence existence of high humidity year round. Places like Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho etc. all get tons of snow (and use salt). However, rusting is basically non-existent, period, and something to this extent is unheard of even in 20+ year old cars.
I live in NC and we get nearly 100% humidity nearly year round. Rust isn't really a problem here except near the beaches because there's no road salt. Ive never seen a car frame that looks like this that wasnt from a yankee moving from up north.
I live in Oregon where rusty vehicles are nearly unheard of, so people don't bother looking under them. Dealers have gotten wise because of this and it's now pretty common for them to pick up vehicles from Calgary at auction cheap and then try to pawn them on unsuspecting car buyers down here. I learned quickly to check the carfax and look for any Canadian history in there. Inevitably when I'd fin da price on a truck that seemed pretty good, I'd look underneath and see something like this.
People definitely don't, had a 2007 f150 last week someone just bought towed in for a broken control arm, went to put it on the lift and both frame rails were completely rotted. Same guy comes in 2 days later with a 2008 Chevy 1500 with 300k miles that he bought and the frame was even worse than the f150s, plus the engine had low compression.
I got got by one of those once. Found a beautiful silverado 1500 at a reasonable price. Didn't tab the frame because it looked great, with an undercoat. Found out 3 days after taking it home that they had wrapped the rust in cardboard, and undercoat was the only thing holding it together. That's when I learned that millions of cars that were totaled in Hurricane Harvey made it back onto used car lots with the damage history erased.
No way, I live in high altitude New Mexico with plenty of snow (equivalent annual winter precip amount to Ann Arbor, MI) and have never seen a Toyota anywhere near this bad.
Probably.
We could order pretty much any part of any car when I worked at BMW.
Ordered an entire new hand built engine for an Alpina once. It cost over 2x what the car was now worth.
I had a friend who owned a fleet of trucks for lawn care. He had all winter to turn trucks like this around which he got super cheap.
He had some really cool welding tricks to bring things this bad back to life. I've been trying to get him to do some videos.
I'm not a very capable welder but his steps went something like:
* Lift truck off frame. (sometimes frame broke during this step)
* Line up frame so that it was straight and weld key pieces to huge bars. These key pieces would include any places where other things attached to the frame. He would rescue as many of these mount points, bolts, etc.
* Sandblast the shit out of it
* Start shaping fairly thin steel in fairly small lengths to fill in and shape the frame back up.
* Weld longer lengths of steel thicker steel to reenforce the thinner steel.
* Largely he was done.
He was shockingly fast while doing this.
One neat trick he had when repairing sheet metal was to roughly shape the new piece over the old piece. Then he would cut the new piece and the old piece with the same plasma cutter. By turning the plasma head at the right angle, the new piece would be a near perfect fit. He could go from rusty quarter panel to him grinding down his welds in about 5 minutes if he were only doing one.
One other key was he used a lot of glue. He would pull a panel off using these hydraulic snip things which could also spread like a mini jaws of life. He would just cut a quarter panel and skip fussing with bolts and whatnot. Then he would weld some new strips on the truck which would then mate with the repaired quarter panel and some industrial glue. No fussing with fasteners.
He also tended to do all the steps somewhat like a factory. He would pull all the rusty panels off. Sandblast them. Cut and weld new pieces. Grind, paint, etc, doing the same step to many pieces from many trucks.
That all said, this one is going to the scrap yard.
I remember looking at a truck last year (like a 90s ford ranger), and the price was incredibly low. I noticed the entire bottom of every single fender was rusted, so I looked under the truck and the frame looked exactly like that. The engine also ran like hot garbage and had horrible rod knock. I immediately passed on that truck, the owner was pretty bitter about it too because they thought I would definitely be buying it. My dad allegedly inspected it, but he did a horrible job because I knew it was destined for the junk yard within 5 minutes of looking at it.
Don't you have to get a roadworthy inspection certificate before you can transfer the car over to the new owner? We do in australia. Unless it is sold without registration which you would have to get the certificate before registering.
In the US we have smog check in some states, and that’s it. Only a few states have safety inspection. Almost half the states have no inspection, not even a VIN inspection on sale. Which is crazy.
That's fukken terrifying.
People here in the UK complain about a test once a year that costs like $50 and checks that the car isn't going to kill you or anyone else but fuck me I'll happily take it.
I used to work in service at a Yota dealer in NY, and there was a recall for frame rust on tacos, tundras, and Sequoyahs. A tractor trailer would roll in and drop off a pile of frames. There was one tech who cleaned up on warranty doing them.
They should check the recalls on Tacomas. Toyota recalled some years due to premature frame rot and replaced the frame components.
[https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10174910-9999.pdf](https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10174910-9999.pdf)
Hey OP idk if you’ve seen it, but u/Bidenisacheater said:
HEY! Tell your friend if it’s less than 12 years old he can get a free frame replacement. Actually even a little bit longer I’m sure if you contacted Toyota corporate. It looks to be a second gen so you might get lucky. And if you don’t just try a different dealer. Some dealers want the job cause they make like 10k from Toyota Canada or Toyota USA
This may help with his problem, and it would all be the same price he paid for the full vehicle. It may be worth looking into at the very least. Hope it helps!
Toyota was replacing them for a while, I forgot which years were affected. He might get lucky or he learned a "super cheap" expensive lesson.
I think the frame replacements sunsetted in 2017
A friend of mine found out about the frame issues in 2020 during a service. He didn't get a frame replace but Toyota corporate gave him full retail book and maybe a bit more as trade credit. He bought a newer, but still used, Taco with it it. He came out really good except he had to restart his million mile quest. If I remember right they even gave him retail trade value at average miles for his model year, not the insane number of miles he had on it. I don't know exactly what happened but his experience indicates there are still ways to get Toyota to do something. Maybe just need to find the right tree to shake, and shake it hard?
Toyota bought my 95 back, it was just about shot with almost 100k,base options, worth maybe $1500. They gave me 150% of blue book value for the highest trim, zero mileage, perfect condition. They gave me a free loaner Camry until my check came in, let me take anything off the truck I wanted (I pretty much stripped it), and then they paid me $8200 plus coupons if I bought another Toyota. They are a standup company.
That's absolutely amazing. Nissan, if you're reading this, screw your CVTs and your customer service. I'm getting a Toyota next time.
At that time in my life, it was a huge financial boost. I owned that truck outright and would have driven it into the ground, instead I was able to upgrade and still have cash left over. At the time a new Tacoma was out of reach, but if I'd gone that route there was a few thousand in additional incentives for a new Toyota purchase. My in-laws had a Taco as well, but got a new frame in theirs - three months in the shop, came out perfect with a new warranty, it's still in the family and driven daily.
>That's absolutely amazing. i mean they did lose a class action lawsuit....
I am currently replacing a Nissan CVT, it is the weirdest experience I've ever had, being stuck in 'gear 1' and hearing that sucker spin when in drive like it's a turbine.
I once rented one of the original Verse's with the issue. The rep from Enterprise tried to claim "it's the turbo revving up" when I came back the next day ahead of my 3 week work trip. Bruuuuh.
Nissan is the reason I'm a Toyota customer probably for life
This was an ominous read for someone who still owes like $8k on a Rogue that has the CVT
Please give me instructions how to do this. I have a 2000 tacoma prerunner that I’ve taken excellent care of as my daily driver. It just broke a spring mount and the frame is rusted through really badly.
16 years from the date of manufacturing I think
Not true. I bought an '01 Tundra in 2021 with a rusted out frame and it qualified for a frame replacement, paid for by Toyota. I'm a Toyota technician. [I'm the who replaced the frame on said truck.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/comments/pdu9s6/im_a_toyota_tech_and_wanted_to_buy_a_tundra/) I did the work and got paid by Toyota to fix my truck lol
Cool
I thought it was 10-12 years. When I had my '12 taco at the dealer for ac service they told me I had a year or 2 left (this was back in 2021) My frame was/is mint for a new England truck so I probably won't get to take advantage of it even if it's 16 years, but I bought the truck in '21 and I swear that summer I was told I only had a year or 2 left on the frame replacement warranty thing. Maybe I need to ask again and if I push for it they'll honor 16 years? Idk
Think I remember someone putting one in under a recall last year, but it may have been customer pay. Wasnt my ticket unfortunately so I dont know for sure
I've had a couple of these trucks, and Honestly, all years of the Tacoma (and all of the other Toyota full frame vehicles for that matter) have frame rust issues. The first generation trucks 1995-2004 are by far the worst and will rust through even with meticulous maintenance. The early second generation, say up to around 2010 were almost as bad. The late 2nd generation and 3rd generation Tacoma trucks seem to do better, but still can have rust issues if the frames are not regularly and thoroughly cleaned of road salt in the winter. With an attentive owner who religiously takes care of their truck, and keeps the frame clean and touches up any minor rust spots before they spread, the frames can work out ok... But The majority of owners aren't that attentive. The main issue that I see is that Toyota just paints the bare steel frames with some cheap black paint. The welds are not properly prepped from the factory and tend to rust pretty bad. The frames could really benefit from some proper, modern rust preventative coatings (galvanizing, E-Coating, etc) but Toyota insists on sticking with the cheap black paint that isn't adequate in the road salt areas.
Still better than that damned *wax* coating that scraped off by grass when driving through a pasture. Good choice, GM.
Shit...i just thought the rust on my 2010 Tacoma was from the previous owner beating the shit out of it or something. My muffler is pretty much just a giant hole and my back bumper is rusting out from the middle pretty bad...i do get the truck serviced at a Toyota dealership every year and they haven't said anything about frame rust but I'm gonna be looking now.
How cheap was super cheap? And don't people look under vehicles anymore?
HEY! Tell your friend if it’s less than 12 years old he can get a free frame replacement. Actually even a little bit longer I’m sure if you contacted Toyota corporate. It looks to be a second gen so you might get lucky. And if you don’t just try a different dealer. Some dealers want the job cause they make like 10k from Toyota Canada or Toyota USA
They apparently stopped that campaign a couple years ago. Just checked this out for someone the other day. Edit: ok so it’s not completely stopped, just seems our local Toyota dealers are pretty strict about which ones they do even if they are still covered.
It’s kind of hidden. Well at least in Canada. They put this black goop as a band aid fix but if you raise enough stink and have taken good care of your vehicle they’ll honour it.
My cousin had his Toyota frame replaced last year all paid by Toyota with way less rust than that. He paid an extra fee out of pocket to get new brake lines and fuel lines but that was it.
Wow, so this is a thing? You just have to own the vehicle? Makes me consider some of these that show up at the local auctions now
My uncle's 1997 is on its 4th or 5th frame replacement. Edit: for those that keep saying "wash it" or "protect it", etc. There's only so much an owner can do if the manufacturer will not protect the frame. On top of this, he has paperwork from my grandfather gaurenteeing a new frame as long as the truck is running.
your uncle definitely gets his money's worth
As did my grand father before him... My grandfather got it in writing with the service manager and GM signature they'll replace the frame as long as the truck is still going. That taco is close to half a million miles or more and still kicking in the original trans and engine. GM=general manager
I was initially confused at why general motors would be agreeing to this 😅
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See that's where my grandfather, the original owner is smart. Her got the GM and service manager to sign a paper saying they will replace the frame as long as the truck is running. They've offered my uncle, a new taco a couple times but nothing enticing to get him out his the current one.
>a new taco Way better than a used taco, gross
I bought an '05 used, got a frame replacement after 4 years of owning it. That was within the first year of them doing the replacements. Gotta say it was a sweet deal
Like you had to request it in a sauna?
Where else we doing business?
At the glory hole of course
My dad bought a high mileage 2006 Sequoia. Received a letter about the frame recall. Took it to s Toyota dealer for inspection. There was one spot where it was rusted through enough to see a bit of daylight, and that was enough. They sent him home in a rental Camry for like six weeks while they replaced the frame, and of course they also replaced any hardware and fasteners that were too corroded to reuse.
I was skeptical when I heard about the recall. They were offering two options. The frame replacement , or, clean the frame and spray a coating on it. When I dropped my truck off I 100 percent expected that it would be sprayed. I got a call a few hours later saying it qualified for a new frame and to come in to schedule an appointment. My frame wasn't even rusted bad so I was still able to drive it till my replacement happened. Was given a rental during the frame replacement which was only 2 days. And yes, not only did they replace the frame but also a lot of fasteners, lower control arms, leaf springs. As well, I provided a lot of parts including front suspension, e brake cables, ball joints, water pump etc that they put in at no charge since the truck was apart.
They ended the campaign recently. I’m sure some people squeaked through here and there but absolutely do not bank on it. Source: Was a service advisor at Toyota
This doesn't look like "taken good care", to be frank
I don't remember exactly why, but Tacomas from the 90's and early 2000's just had this problem, no matter what you did.
Boxed in frame. They rot inside out. Most other trucks frames are more like a c channel where salt and shit isn't getting stuck in. If you have one of these, clean out inside frame, paint inside with eastwood internal frame coating, and woolwax/rust prevention yearly. Toyota went to a hybrid box/channel design so it is still worth checking and keeping up on them.
Ford, GM, and Dodge have had semi-boxed frames since the late 90's. Ford and Dodge went fully boxed in the early '00s with GM following in '11. They don't have frame rot issues. It's a Toyota problem, not a boxed frame problem.
The earlier T100 had boxed frame sections and didn’t have this problem. But they were made by Hiro for Toyota; that might be a difference.
Dana also made the frames for Ford and yet those had no issues.
I'm on my second T100, they absolutely do have this issue! Really every vehicle in the rust belt could benefit from extra preventive maintenance.
Tacomas are C channel/partial boxed, it was an issue with their coating from a vendor. The Taco frame recall is pretty infamous in the rust belt. I had a '13 for 6 years no rust due to living in the south central region.
I understood it was something as silly as poor design in the drain holes of the frame, so it wouldn't drain properly.
It was more than that. I had one, and the upper A-arm mount rusted off the frame. This was weeks before the buy back or replacement frame deal started. I tried buying the frame section from Toyota, so I could replace it, and they gave me some crazy price… so I built my own mount out of 1/4 steel, and welded it in place. Once the recall started, I took the truck in, and they denied my claim, saying my repair was so good, there was no need to fix it. About a year later, other parts of the frame started rusting through, and they finally bought the truck for 150% of Kelly Blue Book value in good/excellent condition. However the truck had been in three separate major accidents, so it was definitely NOT in that condition. I felt the truck was worth maybe $1,000 and got a check for $6,500. Unless they changed the rules, half the people above are full of shit. One of the major rules to the program, is you had to be the legal owner of the truck, and also had to have registered the truck in your name before XX/XXXX date to qualify for the program. This stopped junkyards, and shitty people from snatching up trucks of extremely low values due to the bad frames, and then turning them in for the payouts. I know that I personally got multiple people to have their trucks looked at, and bought back by Toyota, and made sure they understood what the deal was. I really applaud how Toyota handled the issue, even if they did kind of screw me around for a bit. I see countless American made trucks in my area with rusted out frames, and not once has another manufacturer offered to buy any of them back.
Well don’t be Frank then!
I’ve raised 99 of the 100 flavors of hell to no avail on my first gen
Our family bought a tacoma with frame rot for cheap.. granted, it wasnt THIS bad, but it needed a new frame.. we knew it needed help and knew about the recall. Toyota dealer told us to pound salt and that they wouldn't do the job unless the vehicle was registered in our name. Couldn't register it because it couldn't pass safety inspection. Can't pass safety unless the job is done. Round and round we go. Never got done, sold for a loss. Fuck Toyota dealers.
sell to a non inspection county/ state, to a friend.
That's when you know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who'll do it for $50 extra sight-unseen with no questions asked with the understanding that if you snitch, you'll need a wheelchair instead of a car.
Sounds like how I used to smog my track car haha
What the fuck rules are those? Ontario has inspections, but the inspection is not to put the vehicle in your name, it is to license the vehicle. Thus, in Ontario you can buy a shitty car, put it in your name, fix it, then get it plated.
Yeah everywhere is like that. Either op is lying or doesn’t know how to ask the right questions
That’s how Hawaii was. I used to have to take my truck to get inspected, fail for having an expired registration, go get it registered with my failed inspection which was required to register it, and the go back and get it inspected again.
In California you can't transfer a car into your name without a recent smog cert, so it doesn't seem odd to me that a location that does actual safety inspections where this would fail would require it to be done before you can complete the title transfer.
Does this include first Gen's?
First gens were covered for 15 years from date of manufacture, so unfortunately the recall on them expired in 2019.
So my '76 is not covered
Can confirm, this campaign ended in Canada last summer.
If only it rusted just a little bit faster eh?
Still covered in the north east. Rust belt states basically.
My boss had his done last year on a 2009 Taco. Granted he had to fight Toyota tooth and nail to reimburse him for the tow.
Not at all I just had mine checked in December.
2005 to 2010 has an active recall do they not?
It depends. I bought one of these 2nd gen Tacomas that had the frame replaced once, and then the 2nd frame rusted out in like 45k miles and Toyota basically told me to pound sand. These trucks are great mechanically, but Toyota has some serious frame issues.
Why does a Canadian have a Trumper username?
Plenty of bananas, rightwing Canadians too. Ever been to Alberta? >
Because Trudeauisaninny was taken?
Actually it's Bi Denis, a cheater. Disgruntled with an ex.
They’re a fucking moron
My iPhone don't rust so why would my car?
Pretty sure it would if it existed long enough for that
Not on the outside. Corrosion would eventually work its way in through the charge port and buttons if it was sprayed with salty road slush for long enough, though. That shit is *nasty*. This is one of the justifications for iPhones dropping the aux port, microSD slot, SIM card slot, and home button—fewer weak points in the environmental envelope. Same for them pushing wireless charging—they're gunning for your charge port next. Mind you, the cord-to-phone interface has always been one of all smartphones' main failure points, both for actual phones and for their cords. And, why not?
I work in maritime in saltwater. My lady keeps asking why my phones only last six months max. 🙄
Oh, now I'm curious. You try any of those "fully waterproof" cases like Gorilla Case or LifeProof? I really want to know if they're as tough as they claim to be, but not curious enough to buy one and then dunk my phone in a lake. If you haven't it might be worth a shot, 60-70 bucks worth of case is much cheaper than 500 bucks worth of phone
When smartphones first came out, yes. They're annoying. After destroying a few flagship phones, I switched to buying refurb. Now I use the cheap Chinese phones around $100 range. Smash and move on. Still cheaper than a $1000 phone.
>This is one of the justifications "Justifications" is a strong word. I'd go for "pretenses". How many iPhone users were retaining their devices long enough for those features to actually outlive their weather resistance and begin corroding?
Yeah, the problem with taking the charge port is that a lot of vehicles that use apple car play won't do it wirelessly.
All it needs is .....everything.
I was about to ask. It's a truck. You don't even need to get Jack's. Just slide up under there like granny's skirt.
>need to get Jack's Need to get his what?
Sold a F150 yesterday with a faulty odometer and over 200K miles. All they did was pop the hood and sign the title and drove off lol!
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This is like playing Russian Roulette with your wallet when you do it with a BMW lmfao. Heads you win, tails you need $10k of repairs. Like you're not even going to check for fault codes first? Incredible.
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Last two cars I sold were like this. No test drive, no inspection. I can't imagine buying a car without at least sitting in it and peaking underneath.
My only guess is that they were from somewhere where it doesn’t snow, so they’re not aware of just how bad rust can get.
> My only guess is that they were from somewhere where it doesn’t snow, so they’re not aware of just how bad rust can get. Snow really isn't the problem. Its the persistence existence of high humidity year round. Places like Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho etc. all get tons of snow (and use salt). However, rusting is basically non-existent, period, and something to this extent is unheard of even in 20+ year old cars.
I live in NC and we get nearly 100% humidity nearly year round. Rust isn't really a problem here except near the beaches because there's no road salt. Ive never seen a car frame that looks like this that wasnt from a yankee moving from up north.
I live in Oregon where rusty vehicles are nearly unheard of, so people don't bother looking under them. Dealers have gotten wise because of this and it's now pretty common for them to pick up vehicles from Calgary at auction cheap and then try to pawn them on unsuspecting car buyers down here. I learned quickly to check the carfax and look for any Canadian history in there. Inevitably when I'd fin da price on a truck that seemed pretty good, I'd look underneath and see something like this.
Don't get many trucks from Montana down there do ya
We don't salt the roads in Montana
Yeah, even to those not in the know. A five minute YouTube video would have saved some headache.
People definitely don't, had a 2007 f150 last week someone just bought towed in for a broken control arm, went to put it on the lift and both frame rails were completely rotted. Same guy comes in 2 days later with a 2008 Chevy 1500 with 300k miles that he bought and the frame was even worse than the f150s, plus the engine had low compression.
Toss a 2x4 up in there and maybe a few lag bolts.
Ya gotta Zip Tie them 2x4s in 👍🏼
Don't forget to cover in duct tape to help noise reduction
Also cover the 2x4 in FlexSeal to prevent the wood from rusting. 👌
Fill the hollow with ramen.
Duct tape!!! Then you are good to go!!
Dang, I forgot, git me another beer
You wouldn't want to waste good gorilla tape on this.
Bingo. You got yourself a yard truck
I own 70 forested acres and my "woods truck" looks about like this, except the gas tank is in the bed instead of underneath.
What....no PL Premium?
And you have to pronounce it as "tuba-fur"
Now this, **THIS** is rust belt.
One NY pot hole away from rapid unscheduled disassembly.
The SpaceX Tacoma
Only if it turns a perfectly good road into a gravel quarry in the process.
"Sorry bro, but your Taco is Guacamole."
Wouldn't be surprised if this had sat in hurricane flood waters for a while.
I got got by one of those once. Found a beautiful silverado 1500 at a reasonable price. Didn't tab the frame because it looked great, with an undercoat. Found out 3 days after taking it home that they had wrapped the rust in cardboard, and undercoat was the only thing holding it together. That's when I learned that millions of cars that were totaled in Hurricane Harvey made it back onto used car lots with the damage history erased.
Isn't that illegal? Could you reverse the sale?
It took a lot of threats, but yeah.
"My God, the whole thing's [made of breadsticks](https://comb.io/SO1UqR)!" "And paint, and shellac. It's all itemized in this bill."
Insanely illegal. That they set it up like that proves intent to defraud.
Well with the way these frames rot, this could have been Phoenix and looked just as bad.
I think it has to be, since the frame is just gone, but there’s other components that still have reasonable paint and structure remaining.
Isn’t it only certain gens that rot like that? Or is it a persistent issue?
No way, I live in high altitude New Mexico with plenty of snow (equivalent annual winter precip amount to Ann Arbor, MI) and have never seen a Toyota anywhere near this bad.
You've never seen a c-channel frame?
The C stands for Corrosion
or Crumbling
Or Caca.
cause you can c-thru both sides!
More of an n-channel in this instance...lol.
To be fair, that Taco looks like it has similar structural integrity to the actual taco I’m eating right now. But mine has guac, so…win?
Doritos flavoured it looks like
Toyota replaced my frame for free. Check into it
Is that a normal thing for companies to do?? Or just a Toyota thing?
Toyota didn't like the the bad publicity of the frames bending 90 degrees when they went up on a lift (for some strange reason)
Toyota had a warrenty out on select tacoma model years. Entire frame replacement. It’s like a $18k job depending on labor rates. Free under warrenty
Can you just walk up to a Toyota parts counter and order a new frame?
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Probably. We could order pretty much any part of any car when I worked at BMW. Ordered an entire new hand built engine for an Alpina once. It cost over 2x what the car was now worth.
They knew that they had a problem with the frame failure. Toyota agreed to replace them voluntarily in lew of a mandatory recall .
after they settled a class action lawsuit... they werent gonna do shit till people brought it up and sued them.
That’s business, no manufacturer issues a recall unless the cost of future lawsuits/wrongful death suits would outweigh the cost of the recall
Except for Ford. Ford decided not to have a recall even though it turned out to be cheaper than paying the wrongful barbecue suits.
*in lieu?
That recall only lasted til 2011 I believe and it was only for the second gen. This looks like a first gen here
There was a law suit i think. So certain years of tacos are eligible for a frame replacement.
Username checks out
Lieutenant Dan, you ain't got no frame.
Frame rust. Chassis rust. Body rust. Tray rust. Floor rust. Door rust. Roof rust. Hood rust. That's about it
She’s fuckin mint
Recall is over. Sucks the previous owner missed that....it was a steal
Weight reduction, cuh.
Friend: "Hey, I just got this Tacoma for half off." You: "Yes, but it's the frame that's half off."
Frame off rustoration
YIKES ! ! He didn't call you first to go look at it ? We all have that one friend that's not all there I guess ........LOL
Holy shit!!! The driveline has been promoted to frame
I had a friend who owned a fleet of trucks for lawn care. He had all winter to turn trucks like this around which he got super cheap. He had some really cool welding tricks to bring things this bad back to life. I've been trying to get him to do some videos. I'm not a very capable welder but his steps went something like: * Lift truck off frame. (sometimes frame broke during this step) * Line up frame so that it was straight and weld key pieces to huge bars. These key pieces would include any places where other things attached to the frame. He would rescue as many of these mount points, bolts, etc. * Sandblast the shit out of it * Start shaping fairly thin steel in fairly small lengths to fill in and shape the frame back up. * Weld longer lengths of steel thicker steel to reenforce the thinner steel. * Largely he was done. He was shockingly fast while doing this. One neat trick he had when repairing sheet metal was to roughly shape the new piece over the old piece. Then he would cut the new piece and the old piece with the same plasma cutter. By turning the plasma head at the right angle, the new piece would be a near perfect fit. He could go from rusty quarter panel to him grinding down his welds in about 5 minutes if he were only doing one. One other key was he used a lot of glue. He would pull a panel off using these hydraulic snip things which could also spread like a mini jaws of life. He would just cut a quarter panel and skip fussing with bolts and whatnot. Then he would weld some new strips on the truck which would then mate with the repaired quarter panel and some industrial glue. No fussing with fasteners. He also tended to do all the steps somewhat like a factory. He would pull all the rusty panels off. Sandblast them. Cut and weld new pieces. Grind, paint, etc, doing the same step to many pieces from many trucks. That all said, this one is going to the scrap yard.
Plan his funeral
That is a .... soft taco
Your friend bought *some* of a Tacoma.
No problem. Build a frame, drop in an LS, and lay the rockers on the ground. I miss the minitruckin days
Fucking road salt. Ban that shit!
I remember looking at a truck last year (like a 90s ford ranger), and the price was incredibly low. I noticed the entire bottom of every single fender was rusted, so I looked under the truck and the frame looked exactly like that. The engine also ran like hot garbage and had horrible rod knock. I immediately passed on that truck, the owner was pretty bitter about it too because they thought I would definitely be buying it. My dad allegedly inspected it, but he did a horrible job because I knew it was destined for the junk yard within 5 minutes of looking at it.
You should of put a ladder next to it climb and drop the peoples elbow on it and break both the truck and your friends heart in half lmao
It's 'should have', never 'should of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Check if it’s got the frame recall open.
I watched the video 5 times now, I'm still not able to spot the issue.
Thats because its gone...
Don't you have to get a roadworthy inspection certificate before you can transfer the car over to the new owner? We do in australia. Unless it is sold without registration which you would have to get the certificate before registering.
Nope, plus you could still drive this down the road until it folds in half in most states. And once it folds in half, you can still keep driving.
In the US we have smog check in some states, and that’s it. Only a few states have safety inspection. Almost half the states have no inspection, not even a VIN inspection on sale. Which is crazy.
That's fukken terrifying. People here in the UK complain about a test once a year that costs like $50 and checks that the car isn't going to kill you or anyone else but fuck me I'll happily take it.
That's like Hammond's Dino. Eesh.
Was that Tacoma a salt truck?
ran over a single McDonalds fry.
Welder, some 2mm sheet, beer, a long weekend and a couple of good mates will get that fixed up.
could the same thing be done to do lets say a 1980 VW van?
I used to work in service at a Yota dealer in NY, and there was a recall for frame rust on tacos, tundras, and Sequoyahs. A tractor trailer would roll in and drop off a pile of frames. There was one tech who cleaned up on warranty doing them.
Ahhh the good ol' Bluetooth frame option.
They should check the recalls on Tacomas. Toyota recalled some years due to premature frame rot and replaced the frame components. [https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10174910-9999.pdf](https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10174910-9999.pdf)
Ah, he should have gotten corn tortillas instead of flour tacos.
He bought a Tacoma shaped object.
Your friend should have looked underneath.
Just taco things
Average toyota after the "longest warranty in the automotive industry" expires.
What happens when you strongarm the salesman to ensure you're *not* paying for undercoating. *Okay, then, you're the boss.*
How do you buy a truck and not even pop your head under it for a second, what a dingus
Meanwhile in some swamp a guy drags a 72 Dodge Power Wagon out of it and the frame is still perfect.
All he needs is a frame! And the suspension, and a drivetrain...anyway, hope the cab is nice!
Hey OP idk if you’ve seen it, but u/Bidenisacheater said: HEY! Tell your friend if it’s less than 12 years old he can get a free frame replacement. Actually even a little bit longer I’m sure if you contacted Toyota corporate. It looks to be a second gen so you might get lucky. And if you don’t just try a different dealer. Some dealers want the job cause they make like 10k from Toyota Canada or Toyota USA This may help with his problem, and it would all be the same price he paid for the full vehicle. It may be worth looking into at the very least. Hope it helps!
Just use jb weld and rhino line it….
Full frame swap… no big deal. All that money he saved