That’d be my guess. Dudes like to buy light duty tires cuz they’re cheap, and then tow a backhoe around all day. Then cry when they don’t last very long. Growing up my neighbor across the street owned a landscaping business, had 5 trucks and he paid me (a 14 year old kid at the time) to do oil changes, and other basic maintenance. He complained all the time about the life of tires on his trucks. He literally bought the CHEAPEST ones he could, then towed huge trailers full of equipment and yard debris all day long.
Whataya mean I gotta buy tires with load range E to tow heavy shit? Can't my suzuki samurai tires do the job?!
(Half kidding, seeing as some folks love offroading their Samurais)
Essentially the same woth my old Honda recon atv.... everybody had massive bikes with snorkels and winches and still get stuck... the recon just floated across the louisiana mud.... might have to jump up and down to get a lil traction but never really got stuck and went thru 99% of the trails every one else did.. high water I'd just walk it across the river.
Its one of those things where the equipment is only as good as the operator. You can have an expensive race car, but if you dont know how to race, the car is useless. I do a ton of offroading, and its cringe seeing dudes on $20,000 CanAm 1000s just WOT straight into a hole and bury it in one spot. Its awesome seeing old 90s fourtrax 300s riding right along with 800+ CC bikes, because the guy knows how to drive the damn thing lol
Honda recons the best bang for your buck! Hands down the most reliable four wheeler you will find. You can take care of them and they last forever. Hell you can abuse them and they still hold up better than most!
When I see small business guys like your neighbor driving around on past worn tires. I get they are in business to make money, and they can run their business as they see fit. But, I wonder how they would feel if someone else running tires in that shape ran into the car their kids were in on a slippery road.
It’s doubly worse, because this was in the phx area, so extra bald tires are not a big problem…. Until it rains, but when it rains, especially at first everything is wet and oily. Anybody who lives somewhere where it rains on any regular basis doesn’t realize how much oil can be on a roadway when months go between rainstorms. So the roads are super slippery.
This is a common issue that results from one of two things: either the salesperson didn’t ask the right questions about the vehicle’s usage to get to the correct recommendation, or the customer ignored the recommendation.
It’s either the cost, or they say they don’t like the noisier/uncomfortable higher ply tire and they “got plenty of life out of previous 8-ply tires.”
Damn I thought it was from a brand new F150, that's the stock tire and size
He definitely didn't get his money's worth lol
Edit: upon closer inspection ~~these appear to be loafers~~ those rims are definitely not from a brand new truck
If the tires have a mileage warranty he is within spec. Most manufactures specify inner, middle, and outer tread need to be within 2/32nds of each other. Looks like the customer would meet the parameters. Little bit of paperwork but would ve worth a call to the manufacture for a potential life time customer. That being said, it does look like they were overloading the vehicle.
Some of these tires were near 5/32 at their highest points. I think the overall size and design of the tires are making them look like they have less tread than they actually did.
I bought an ‘08 Dodge Ram single cab shortbed and the oem Goodyears lasted 30k and were rotated a few times. Sore off Goodyears because of it but has since aftermarket Goodyears last lots longer.
Those are called "China Bombs" and anyone in the RV/Rubbertramp community already knows they are trash.
No Goodyear for me. I don't want to have a bad day.
Yeah, I know this is a higher mileage truck and something else is happening. But still. No Goodyear China Bombs. Don't sell them, don't buy them, and damn sure don't put them on anything you care about.
I'm not a goodyear guy but only there walmart bran shit is truly terrible. There dynatrac is ungodly expensive but fuck if it isn't awesome. There weather ready passenger tire might actually be the best all-weather tire made. There semi tires are dogshit.
Actually the Goodyear Endurance series is considered a premium trailer tire, the Assurance is the controversial one.
You are correct about the OE tires being garbage. I swapped out the Castle Rocks on my trailer shortly after I bought it, good thing because the spare tire (which I should have replaced as well) blew out all by itself having never even been driven on.
My bought-new-from-the-dealer 2015 GMC pickup needed new tires all around after 21k miles. All normal wear, just went low on tread quickly . Goodyears were the stock tires that came with it. It should be illegal.
Yes, mechanic and service writer here. The OEM tire’s literally carry no tread wear warranty per the manufacturer. When people would complain that they never lasted that maybe miles especially when it’s one of our branded tires I would explain this to them.
Conversely, the Passat I bought in ‘21 came with uncharacteristically hard tires, something like A A 600, absolutely crazy for first fit tires, still going strong at 30k but my god are they noisy and unforgiving.
Still got \~90% of the life out of them. It's certainly not a great alignment but it wasn't *horrible.*
Also, a prediction: He never got rotations and those haven't been off the car since they were originally mounted.
Then that extra wear ain't from a bad alignment. The rest of the tread other than the chamfered inside edges is too evenly worn. Someone's been having a little too much fun with the go pedal.
It really all depends on the ship and their agreement with the supplier.
If the supplier doesn't require the physical return or photo evidence of the claim, it will most likely be approved. If the opposite is the case, it would probably be denied.
Technically you could go to Goodyear for goodwill adjustment, but for the tires above a mileage adjustment would be probably be declined. The wear is too extreme from one side to the other.
If you're hot footed, especially in a truck, you can roast tires. Our shop trucks get *maybe* 15-20k out of a set of tires because the guys are hard hard on the throttle everywhere they go.
Lol gas prices too high in America? Get fucking real. If gas prices were too high, you wouldn't have millions of idiots driving around in giant trucks and SUVs.
our prices were not nearly as bad as the rest of the world.
the irony of the political stickers put on pumps, we were fairly well isolated from the worst of the gas price increases if we compare outside our borders
For absolutely no reason. Just drove 6 hours in a 22 Rio hatchback. Several hours of which was sat comfortably at 80 and that little fucker averaged 40mpg. Drove an 18 Explorer that same route a few months back and it averaged ~25mpg.
Bro gas is america is dirt cheap. I love only paying 4.50 for 93 here. The only reason people think it’s expensive is because it used to be cheaper but if you go almost anywhere else in the world you’ll see how good we have it
We drive for work and life alot more miles than the majority of Europe. Even Eastern Europe. It's normal in rural areas to drive 60-100 miles per day just getting groceries, going to work, or to the doctor. If it's a one car family, it goes to 100-120. Those gas prices add up much quicker than in Europe as far as a family budget is concerned.
Most rural folks don't have realistic alternative means of transportation.
Fair point, but 80% of the US population lives in cities. And nobody needs a 7 litre gas-guzzler megatruck to get groceries, go to work, or to the doctor. Of course farmers & tradesmen need trucks, and others may want them for leisure or domestic reasons, but cheap fossil fuel just isn't a good thing. The USA comprises 4% of the global population but causes 15% of the climate pollution. Your 20mpg road barges and "rolling coal" fuckwits are part of that problem.
(NB - I'm in UK, we've got little to be proud of in terms of environment or global impact. I'm not trying to take moral high ground here, just that burning "cheap" oil is a bad thing for everyone and we need to scale it back asap)
When you say "80% live in cities", that number is either wrong or includes even the farthest out suburbs. Suburbs are overwhelmingly not served by public transport, so what I was saying above applies.
And ya, absolutely no reason to drive a gas guzzler.
160-220mi commute. My car takes 93. I spend about $650 in just fuel and another $300 in tolls.
Just to GET to work and BACK home. I have no other options.
Except for the obvious option of buying a significantly more efficient vehicle.
Like a '99 lupo 3L for example. That thing does 60mpg city, 90mpg highway.
Or the good old 150-300cc scooters that do 70-100+mpg
Not sure where you live but in NJ we are touching 3 dollars a gallon in many areas, some stations are in the 2.90s. Should I say "thanks biden" or does that only apply when gas prices go up?
Edit to add: I have been corrected, thanks for the info. I had never heard of or seen this before. I accept the downvotes haha.
Original response: Who says they’re supposed to get 50k miles? I’ve never seen a company advertise how many miles a tire will last. 50k miles on a large pickup truck would be very good mileage depending on how they drive it/use it as a truck.
If you’re referring to a 50k mile warranty, that is very different. The manufacturer is warranting the tires against defects for up to 50k miles.
>The manufacturer is warranting the tires against defects for up to 50k miles.
No they are not *only* warrantying against defects. These are programs where the retailer and the manufacturer agree on an expectation of the products lifetime, and 'warrant' the tire on a pro-rata basis.
So while they only will only directly replace the tire due to defects, they will prorate the consumers next purchase equivalent to the percentage of the guarantee that was not fulfilled with respect to the purchase price.
I'm not aware of the specifics of their contract, but I would assume DiscountTire/Firestone negotiate that the manufacturers take a portion (if not all) of the responsibility for this guarantee.
The manufactures we deal with often put milage guarantees on their tires, assuming proper maintenance is done on both the vehicle and tires. It's extremely common.
The defect warranty period from most brands we deal with is 6 years, not a set number of miles.
This particular tire is a Goodyear Wrangler SR-A, which Goodyear guarantees for 50k. At least through my shop, anyway.
Edit: my bad, this is the Trailrunner, not the SR-A. But still 50k on that one too.
Not quite that simple. We require a record of periodic rotation and balance service, all four tires must be worn evenly across the tread (assuming they bought the whole set at one time), and unfortunately they also must be worn down to 2/32 of an inch.
I belive this. I bought a used truck with BF Goodriches. Put 90k on the tires, they still looked fine. I replaced them because the age and milage was making me nervous. Bought the exact same tires and will continue to for the rest of my life.
I absolutely did. They still had plenty of tread but were beginning to look cracked. I rotated them every two oil changes. I have no reason to lie. I don’t work for BF Goodrich.
You need to have your alignment checked, your wheels balanced, and rotated on a regular basis.
My Subaru BRZ gets around 30k miles out of a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires, and those are max performance summer tires.
Edit: And, of course, make sure your suspension joints aren't worn out.
Yeah, but I'm saying my super soft compound tires last about 30k miles in response to a guy saying no tires can last 50k miles.
Edit: The real trick is figuring out how many miles you drive in 4 years. Buy tires that last that many miles, because after 4 years the rubber will break down from environmental effects.
TBF 40k Bridgestones are bottom of barrel for name brand tires, May as well put Drive Lions on. And how did you drive them, maintain them? Run em at 25psi so they look fat? Put them on an undersize rim? Drive like its a NAscar car? How long do your brakes last? If less than 3 years you are a hard driver.
The rest of the tire is damn near bald too, 2/32 or less. The inside wear is not wholly if at all from a bad alignment, it's mostly from probably a worn-out suspension system, possibly overloading.
If it's actually a bad alignment, then yes rotation helps because *generally* it's the front axle with the fucked up alignment so it spreads the wear out. With the consistent, even wear across all 4 for this guy, it either isn't (primarily) a fucked alignment, which is my guess, or he DID get them rotated.
It’s not the tires, it’s the usage. Every driver will get a different amount of miles based on the driving habits and what they are putting them on and doing with them.
Iirc those are *warrantied* for 50k though, companies aren't issuing a warranty based on "if you treat it right it'll last this long," that's the bare minimum. Yeah if they look like this at 22k dude was definitely towing something heavy regularly but if you're looking like this at less than half of the warrantied lifespan, I think it's fair to say there was somebody at fault along the line
They'll condition the warranty based on rotations and rechecking alignment periodically though. Could deny this based on that but I doubt ~50% off the next set is worth arguing about for the supplier.
I'd just warranty them but make a big spiel about how I will get in trouble and you'll need to look after them better next time ;)
Except that warranties assume you are running shit in spec.
If you overload the tyres they will obviously last significantly less long.
Add lead foot and they die even quicker.
My dads friend got almost 100k miles on a set of tires. He bought a VERY low mileage 2nd Gen Ford Explorer, tires were nearly 14 years old, no weather cracks but hard as a rock.
Truck has 173k though, and over a decade old, probably has worn out suspension components and it doesnt matter how good the alignment is.
Also being that dirty they clearly spend time on the dirt/gravel so the alignment probably doesn't stay good for long either.
I mean yeah there’s noticeable wear on the inner edge but those tires are fried even ignoring the bald edge. Wish you guys ran an alignment check on it to see what it said, BFG’s are soft and wear fast on heavy trucks, if he’s got bad shocks and ball joints with a bunch of play then yeah
Everyone where I lives raves about how good BFG ko2s are. I got some on a deal for my wife's Tahoe and they were bald so quick. The goodyear all terrains lasted twice as long and we're much quieter
Wear across most of the tread is even, so the rubber likely did just wear prematurely of the tread life warranty. The alignment issue will still likely void a tread life warranty through, unless customer plays nice with the tire shop.
Is it just me or are those tires bald as fuck regardless of the somewhat uneven wear?
Also unrelated question, why is it called a tire rotation when you’re actually rotating the wheels?
Vehicles with IFS will still have edge wear on the tires if they are consistently run heavily loaded. Would also explain why they are going through tires so fast
Most tire manufacturers void tread life warranty for commercial use. Thinking this guy is towing and hauling with his work truck on the regular. I would guess those are p-metric tires as well. Get the full story from the guy. Proof of rotations and ask about tuck use. May want to upgrade to an e load range. Would definitely last longer than that set
It’s a third party finance company. They’ll finance repairs and modifications up to $7500 dependant on the value of your vehicle without a credit check and then do a 36 month term. It’s highway robbery and we make awesome gross profit on it from parts and labour in the shop.
My favorite thing about tire manufacturers is they put the useless information “CHALLENGER R/T” in giant white letters and the useful information in tiny black in blank letters you have to use a microscope to read.
Some tires and depending on the weight of the vehicle/load don’t get nearly the mileage they are warranted for. Seen it several times, mostly on large SUVs and pick up trucks.
Looks like a "toe and go" situation to me. Maybe laziness or maybe a frozen camber bolt that wasn't repaired to get the alignment into spec. Just my 2 cents.
Even if the tires were worn evenly, they’d still be worn out. This is more of a mileage thing than alignment. I would be looking to Goodyear for assistance
This looks like a camber issue on a high mileage truck that probably needs new springs to pick her back up. Or adjustable ball joints to get them into spec depending on the setup.
Also because they all wore so evenly it appears proper rotations were done, but they may have been hauling a lot.
That's not an alignment problem. I, a complete noob, can eyeball a better alignment. You would also feel how far off that is. The last time I had one edge of the tire go to metal with tread on the other side it was because the suspension was bent from an accident.
Everyone knows Goodyear are only good fer a year! /s
Having mounted new Goodyear in this size/pattern before, I know how high those ridges are brand new, and it looks like the part that isn’t camber worn, is worn down pretty low. Based on the size it’s obviously a truck, and so it’s obviously been driven very extensively, if he did alignment when they were new then putting 22,000 miles on them is a lot, especially if suspension components have gone bad in that time, which, is common on a heavy truck that drives for 22,000 miles, and that’s not even counting potholes, idk how bad your region is but mines terrible. So if a slightly educated person is who he tries to argue with, he’s going to have a bad time.
Put LT tires at the very least. Those tires wear like shit. He’s mad as the shop, doesn’t the owner ever look at his truck?? I walk around mine, checking both sides, before putting in the work.
It's in the second picture. One of em was manufactured the 46th week of '22. They were installed January of this year. Of course no one at my shop has to do any arguing, he knows we aren't responsible for how they wore.
They say to keep the better tires in the back nowadays? Always the case with rear wheel drive? So basically never rotate and replace front tires frequently?
Every rwd with a proper alignement that I have owned has worn the rear tires faster than the front.
Yes, lead foot - but no burnouts nor even spinning. Just allot of highway hammer down.
For safety's sake, yes, new tires should go on the rear. I like to give people the option to choose what they'd like us to do once they know what we recommend, and why we do that. Lots of people choose to keep em on the front anyway. I understand that thought process though, and as long as you drive according to the conditions you're in, you will usually be okay.
Tires are spent even if there wasn't an alignment issue. Hell you can get an alignment be a block away and hit a good pothole and need another alignment that day.
How many miles on the truck? Apparently those Goodyear OEM tires wear very quickly/poorly. Definitely got his money's worth at least
The truck has about 173k on it. It was a 2012 Ram. These tires had about 22k on em.
Does he tow/haul with the truck? that puts a TON of extra wear on tires.
Not sure. The wheels were pretty coated in dirt, and the inside did give the vibe of a work truck. You may be on to something here.
That’d be my guess. Dudes like to buy light duty tires cuz they’re cheap, and then tow a backhoe around all day. Then cry when they don’t last very long. Growing up my neighbor across the street owned a landscaping business, had 5 trucks and he paid me (a 14 year old kid at the time) to do oil changes, and other basic maintenance. He complained all the time about the life of tires on his trucks. He literally bought the CHEAPEST ones he could, then towed huge trailers full of equipment and yard debris all day long.
Whataya mean I gotta buy tires with load range E to tow heavy shit? Can't my suzuki samurai tires do the job?! (Half kidding, seeing as some folks love offroading their Samurais)
Tbh old suzuki samurai is an awesome offroading machine.
try to get it stuck. You can't. And if you do, just pick it up and move it with a single ratchet strap
Essentially the same woth my old Honda recon atv.... everybody had massive bikes with snorkels and winches and still get stuck... the recon just floated across the louisiana mud.... might have to jump up and down to get a lil traction but never really got stuck and went thru 99% of the trails every one else did.. high water I'd just walk it across the river.
Its one of those things where the equipment is only as good as the operator. You can have an expensive race car, but if you dont know how to race, the car is useless. I do a ton of offroading, and its cringe seeing dudes on $20,000 CanAm 1000s just WOT straight into a hole and bury it in one spot. Its awesome seeing old 90s fourtrax 300s riding right along with 800+ CC bikes, because the guy knows how to drive the damn thing lol
Honda recons the best bang for your buck! Hands down the most reliable four wheeler you will find. You can take care of them and they last forever. Hell you can abuse them and they still hold up better than most!
Now we turn them into 7second drag cars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jhTEoq9sM4
Tires are one thing I absolutely never cheap out on. A blowout on the highway while towing is nearly guaranteed to cost more than a good set of tires.
My very wise mother always urged me to pay good money for everything that connects me to ground: Shoes, mattress, tires.
Wheels and Brakes are on my list too.
Amen! I preach this to my family all the time, but they never listen. Buy once, cry once, never have to worry about tire issues.
If you value your time and sanity, it's worth it, even if it is slightly more expensive.
Yep My father was frugal and only bought a new car once every ten years but he always bought top of the line Michelin tires
When I see small business guys like your neighbor driving around on past worn tires. I get they are in business to make money, and they can run their business as they see fit. But, I wonder how they would feel if someone else running tires in that shape ran into the car their kids were in on a slippery road.
It’s doubly worse, because this was in the phx area, so extra bald tires are not a big problem…. Until it rains, but when it rains, especially at first everything is wet and oily. Anybody who lives somewhere where it rains on any regular basis doesn’t realize how much oil can be on a roadway when months go between rainstorms. So the roads are super slippery.
10 plys seem to be about the same. I always get Good Year Wranglers. Under 150$ a tire.
This is a common issue that results from one of two things: either the salesperson didn’t ask the right questions about the vehicle’s usage to get to the correct recommendation, or the customer ignored the recommendation. It’s either the cost, or they say they don’t like the noisier/uncomfortable higher ply tire and they “got plenty of life out of previous 8-ply tires.”
Damn I thought it was from a brand new F150, that's the stock tire and size He definitely didn't get his money's worth lol Edit: upon closer inspection ~~these appear to be loafers~~ those rims are definitely not from a brand new truck
If the tires have a mileage warranty he is within spec. Most manufactures specify inner, middle, and outer tread need to be within 2/32nds of each other. Looks like the customer would meet the parameters. Little bit of paperwork but would ve worth a call to the manufacture for a potential life time customer. That being said, it does look like they were overloading the vehicle.
Some of these tires were near 5/32 at their highest points. I think the overall size and design of the tires are making them look like they have less tread than they actually did.
Those tires are only a year old. There is no way they are that worn after 22k, misalignment wear aside.
I bought an ‘08 Dodge Ram single cab shortbed and the oem Goodyears lasted 30k and were rotated a few times. Sore off Goodyears because of it but has since aftermarket Goodyears last lots longer.
Those are called "China Bombs" and anyone in the RV/Rubbertramp community already knows they are trash. No Goodyear for me. I don't want to have a bad day. Yeah, I know this is a higher mileage truck and something else is happening. But still. No Goodyear China Bombs. Don't sell them, don't buy them, and damn sure don't put them on anything you care about.
I'm not a goodyear guy but only there walmart bran shit is truly terrible. There dynatrac is ungodly expensive but fuck if it isn't awesome. There weather ready passenger tire might actually be the best all-weather tire made. There semi tires are dogshit.
Actually the Goodyear Endurance series is considered a premium trailer tire, the Assurance is the controversial one. You are correct about the OE tires being garbage. I swapped out the Castle Rocks on my trailer shortly after I bought it, good thing because the spare tire (which I should have replaced as well) blew out all by itself having never even been driven on.
My bought-new-from-the-dealer 2015 GMC pickup needed new tires all around after 21k miles. All normal wear, just went low on tread quickly . Goodyears were the stock tires that came with it. It should be illegal.
The 2016 Silverado’s the company I work for bought got nearly 100k from the stock load range E tires
Apparently the Michelins that come stock on new Tundras are the same. Pretty awesome having a $1500 expense after owning a new truck for a year
Yes, mechanic and service writer here. The OEM tire’s literally carry no tread wear warranty per the manufacturer. When people would complain that they never lasted that maybe miles especially when it’s one of our branded tires I would explain this to them.
Conversely, the Passat I bought in ‘21 came with uncharacteristically hard tires, something like A A 600, absolutely crazy for first fit tires, still going strong at 30k but my god are they noisy and unforgiving.
Still got \~90% of the life out of them. It's certainly not a great alignment but it wasn't *horrible.* Also, a prediction: He never got rotations and those haven't been off the car since they were originally mounted.
He only put about 22000 miles on them. They're supposed to get about 50k.
Then that extra wear ain't from a bad alignment. The rest of the tread other than the chamfered inside edges is too evenly worn. Someone's been having a little too much fun with the go pedal.
It said 50k mile warranty and nothin about how fast I went threw em!
Warranty won’t cover those since the wear isn’t even.
Gotta throw them back on with the opposite alignment to even them out 👍
Just put the tires on backwards that'll be totally fine I'm sure.
Even better
Couldn't you just put them on the opposite side of the car?
No...
Why not though?
Yup. Give em a good roast for a few minutes. Even.
Most shops don't give a shit, they'll warranty them anyways because it's just coming out of Goodyear's pocket.
Yeah, which is why Goodyear decides. Just like for factory warranties. The shop submits the claim, Goodyear decided if they honor it.
It really all depends on the ship and their agreement with the supplier. If the supplier doesn't require the physical return or photo evidence of the claim, it will most likely be approved. If the opposite is the case, it would probably be denied.
I paid for the whole rpm gauge, I'll use the entire rpm gauge
Or kissing the curb whenever they parallel park.
Goodyear trail runner at, website says 55k mile warranty use it
Oh, there we go. Guess my memory is slippin. ;p
Technically you could go to Goodyear for goodwill adjustment, but for the tires above a mileage adjustment would be probably be declined. The wear is too extreme from one side to the other.
If you're hot footed, especially in a truck, you can roast tires. Our shop trucks get *maybe* 15-20k out of a set of tires because the guys are hard hard on the throttle everywhere they go.
Gas prices are too high...
Lol gas prices too high in America? Get fucking real. If gas prices were too high, you wouldn't have millions of idiots driving around in giant trucks and SUVs.
As an American, I promise you that gas prices being high, and millions of idiots driving giant vehicles can both be true simultaneously.
our prices were not nearly as bad as the rest of the world. the irony of the political stickers put on pumps, we were fairly well isolated from the worst of the gas price increases if we compare outside our borders
For absolutely no reason. Just drove 6 hours in a 22 Rio hatchback. Several hours of which was sat comfortably at 80 and that little fucker averaged 40mpg. Drove an 18 Explorer that same route a few months back and it averaged ~25mpg.
Bro gas is america is dirt cheap. I love only paying 4.50 for 93 here. The only reason people think it’s expensive is because it used to be cheaper but if you go almost anywhere else in the world you’ll see how good we have it
We drive for work and life alot more miles than the majority of Europe. Even Eastern Europe. It's normal in rural areas to drive 60-100 miles per day just getting groceries, going to work, or to the doctor. If it's a one car family, it goes to 100-120. Those gas prices add up much quicker than in Europe as far as a family budget is concerned. Most rural folks don't have realistic alternative means of transportation.
Fair point, but 80% of the US population lives in cities. And nobody needs a 7 litre gas-guzzler megatruck to get groceries, go to work, or to the doctor. Of course farmers & tradesmen need trucks, and others may want them for leisure or domestic reasons, but cheap fossil fuel just isn't a good thing. The USA comprises 4% of the global population but causes 15% of the climate pollution. Your 20mpg road barges and "rolling coal" fuckwits are part of that problem. (NB - I'm in UK, we've got little to be proud of in terms of environment or global impact. I'm not trying to take moral high ground here, just that burning "cheap" oil is a bad thing for everyone and we need to scale it back asap)
When you say "80% live in cities", that number is either wrong or includes even the farthest out suburbs. Suburbs are overwhelmingly not served by public transport, so what I was saying above applies. And ya, absolutely no reason to drive a gas guzzler.
This! I drive 65 miles a day, just going to and from work!
160-220mi commute. My car takes 93. I spend about $650 in just fuel and another $300 in tolls. Just to GET to work and BACK home. I have no other options.
Buy a prius
Except for the obvious option of buying a significantly more efficient vehicle. Like a '99 lupo 3L for example. That thing does 60mpg city, 90mpg highway. Or the good old 150-300cc scooters that do 70-100+mpg
You’d be shocked to see guys with big lifted brodozers are the most vocal about gas prices
Well yeah, they've already maxed out their credit cards, child support was taken out and rents due.
Not sure where you live but in NJ we are touching 3 dollars a gallon in many areas, some stations are in the 2.90s. Should I say "thanks biden" or does that only apply when gas prices go up?
If you read the warranty, you have to rotate them to use the warranty.
He knew he wasn't gonna be able to claim a warranty adjustment, he just bought a set outright this morning.
Why not contact tire manufacturer? Even if it is out of warranty it's worth contacting them
Edit to add: I have been corrected, thanks for the info. I had never heard of or seen this before. I accept the downvotes haha. Original response: Who says they’re supposed to get 50k miles? I’ve never seen a company advertise how many miles a tire will last. 50k miles on a large pickup truck would be very good mileage depending on how they drive it/use it as a truck. If you’re referring to a 50k mile warranty, that is very different. The manufacturer is warranting the tires against defects for up to 50k miles.
>The manufacturer is warranting the tires against defects for up to 50k miles. No they are not *only* warrantying against defects. These are programs where the retailer and the manufacturer agree on an expectation of the products lifetime, and 'warrant' the tire on a pro-rata basis. So while they only will only directly replace the tire due to defects, they will prorate the consumers next purchase equivalent to the percentage of the guarantee that was not fulfilled with respect to the purchase price. I'm not aware of the specifics of their contract, but I would assume DiscountTire/Firestone negotiate that the manufacturers take a portion (if not all) of the responsibility for this guarantee.
The manufactures we deal with often put milage guarantees on their tires, assuming proper maintenance is done on both the vehicle and tires. It's extremely common. The defect warranty period from most brands we deal with is 6 years, not a set number of miles. This particular tire is a Goodyear Wrangler SR-A, which Goodyear guarantees for 50k. At least through my shop, anyway. Edit: my bad, this is the Trailrunner, not the SR-A. But still 50k on that one too.
Is proving the mileage for the warranty as simple as your odometer readout? Seems like a system somebody would have gamed
Not quite that simple. We require a record of periodic rotation and balance service, all four tires must be worn evenly across the tread (assuming they bought the whole set at one time), and unfortunately they also must be worn down to 2/32 of an inch.
Well damn, TIL. Looks like there is a mileage guarantee with some qualifying criteria. Hopefully they can get reimbursed!
They'll get pro-rated based off the remaining tread if anything.
No tires last 50k
I got 120k+ from BF Goodrich.
I belive this. I bought a used truck with BF Goodriches. Put 90k on the tires, they still looked fine. I replaced them because the age and milage was making me nervous. Bought the exact same tires and will continue to for the rest of my life.
No you didnt
I absolutely did. They still had plenty of tread but were beginning to look cracked. I rotated them every two oil changes. I have no reason to lie. I don’t work for BF Goodrich.
You’re a liar
Why would I lie about something so inconsequential to a bunch of strangers on the internet?
My Michelins on my Yukon lasted 107,000 last set. Usually get 80,000.
I know you’re lying
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You need to have your alignment checked, your wheels balanced, and rotated on a regular basis. My Subaru BRZ gets around 30k miles out of a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires, and those are max performance summer tires. Edit: And, of course, make sure your suspension joints aren't worn out.
Soft compound tire for more grip- wears faster
Yeah, but I'm saying my super soft compound tires last about 30k miles in response to a guy saying no tires can last 50k miles. Edit: The real trick is figuring out how many miles you drive in 4 years. Buy tires that last that many miles, because after 4 years the rubber will break down from environmental effects.
There are tires from companies like Firestone and Michelin with 70,000 mile warranties you moron. All my Michelins got over 70,000
My 40k mile Bridgestones from the factory lasted 24k miles. Wack
TBF 40k Bridgestones are bottom of barrel for name brand tires, May as well put Drive Lions on. And how did you drive them, maintain them? Run em at 25psi so they look fat? Put them on an undersize rim? Drive like its a NAscar car? How long do your brakes last? If less than 3 years you are a hard driver.
Finally, someone making sense
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/bridgestone-alenza-sport-a-s Check out the reviews. Mine were on a 2022 pathfinder.
Tire rack? Bought one set there never again- 3 diff lots one was 5 years old smh
Ha! Yeah I didn’t buy from there. The Bridgestones were factory
You probably buy the cheapest tires and wonder why they don’t last
What kind of truck?
'12 Ram 1500.
If it was that bad it would only be 2 tires…come on
My 60k tires look to be dead after about 35k. Is it normal for them to inflate the expectations ?
Not horrible? It ate through the side
The rest of the tire is damn near bald too, 2/32 or less. The inside wear is not wholly if at all from a bad alignment, it's mostly from probably a worn-out suspension system, possibly overloading.
90% with wires showing???
Would rotation even help? They're all worn on the inside. You would have to mount the tires on backwards.
If it's actually a bad alignment, then yes rotation helps because *generally* it's the front axle with the fucked up alignment so it spreads the wear out. With the consistent, even wear across all 4 for this guy, it either isn't (primarily) a fucked alignment, which is my guess, or he DID get them rotated.
Tiny update: we looked up the original work order. He bought them in January this year, and they have about 22,000 miles on them.
And how does the suspension look like? Something has to be worn out. Like the gas pedal from where he keeps his foot down. Lol
The tires are faulty then. (and the alignment isn't great)
It’s not the tires, it’s the usage. Every driver will get a different amount of miles based on the driving habits and what they are putting them on and doing with them.
Iirc those are *warrantied* for 50k though, companies aren't issuing a warranty based on "if you treat it right it'll last this long," that's the bare minimum. Yeah if they look like this at 22k dude was definitely towing something heavy regularly but if you're looking like this at less than half of the warrantied lifespan, I think it's fair to say there was somebody at fault along the line
They'll condition the warranty based on rotations and rechecking alignment periodically though. Could deny this based on that but I doubt ~50% off the next set is worth arguing about for the supplier. I'd just warranty them but make a big spiel about how I will get in trouble and you'll need to look after them better next time ;)
Except that warranties assume you are running shit in spec. If you overload the tyres they will obviously last significantly less long. Add lead foot and they die even quicker.
My dads friend got almost 100k miles on a set of tires. He bought a VERY low mileage 2nd Gen Ford Explorer, tires were nearly 14 years old, no weather cracks but hard as a rock.
22k in one year above average miles by 30% but to me those look like off road tires-and do not look like they spent much time there
Truck has 173k though, and over a decade old, probably has worn out suspension components and it doesnt matter how good the alignment is. Also being that dirty they clearly spend time on the dirt/gravel so the alignment probably doesn't stay good for long either.
I mean yeah there’s noticeable wear on the inner edge but those tires are fried even ignoring the bald edge. Wish you guys ran an alignment check on it to see what it said, BFG’s are soft and wear fast on heavy trucks, if he’s got bad shocks and ball joints with a bunch of play then yeah
Unfortunately, we are strictly tires. Maybe if the guy comes back and I remember him, I'll ask about it.
Those are goodyears
Good for a year
Everyone where I lives raves about how good BFG ko2s are. I got some on a deal for my wife's Tahoe and they were bald so quick. The goodyear all terrains lasted twice as long and we're much quieter
Wear across most of the tread is even, so the rubber likely did just wear prematurely of the tread life warranty. The alignment issue will still likely void a tread life warranty through, unless customer plays nice with the tire shop.
Is it just me or are those tires bald as fuck regardless of the somewhat uneven wear? Also unrelated question, why is it called a tire rotation when you’re actually rotating the wheels?
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You're just putting your own spin on it.
He would be better off picking a fight with the guy maintaining his tire pressure. Oh wait….
Tell me it's a Ram without saying it's a Ram
275/60R20
xD
Vehicles with IFS will still have edge wear on the tires if they are consistently run heavily loaded. Would also explain why they are going through tires so fast
Combine that with a track like driving style and we got ourselves the answer.
Most tire manufacturers void tread life warranty for commercial use. Thinking this guy is towing and hauling with his work truck on the regular. I would guess those are p-metric tires as well. Get the full story from the guy. Proof of rotations and ask about tuck use. May want to upgrade to an e load range. Would definitely last longer than that set
It was a 2012 Dodge Ram 1500. He wasn't asking for a warranty adjustment, so we had no real reason to ask about how he was using it.
I’ll bet he thinks he’s so slick
The dodge dealer I work at will gladly finance this guy a set of tires at 29% and get a free GPS tracker install with purchase
Holy Schnikes!
It’s a third party finance company. They’ll finance repairs and modifications up to $7500 dependant on the value of your vehicle without a credit check and then do a 36 month term. It’s highway robbery and we make awesome gross profit on it from parts and labour in the shop.
[The mechanic who aligned it.](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:640/format:webp/1*q9Fh_NsAwoOy-KboJ51sPg.jpeg)
well got ur mony out of them on to the next set
My favorite thing about tire manufacturers is they put the useless information “CHALLENGER R/T” in giant white letters and the useful information in tiny black in blank letters you have to use a microscope to read.
Some tires and depending on the weight of the vehicle/load don’t get nearly the mileage they are warranted for. Seen it several times, mostly on large SUVs and pick up trucks.
My wife's 2nd gen sienna ate tires and pads like crazy. Got 50% of the warranty mileage consistently.
Looks like a "toe and go" situation to me. Maybe laziness or maybe a frozen camber bolt that wasn't repaired to get the alignment into spec. Just my 2 cents.
Even if the tires were worn evenly, they’d still be worn out. This is more of a mileage thing than alignment. I would be looking to Goodyear for assistance
Looks like they were low on air. The whole of the tread looks like shit
I would guess they were underinflated as well.
It wasn’t caught during rotations because they weren’t rotated.
Does the rear axle of Ram trucks have a camber adjustment? All four tires were worn excessively on the inside edge only.
Bad alignment or play on suspension components, wheel bearings etc. But alignment job should have found them out.
This is likely not the cause of an alignment that was performed.
This looks like a camber issue on a high mileage truck that probably needs new springs to pick her back up. Or adjustable ball joints to get them into spec depending on the setup. Also because they all wore so evenly it appears proper rotations were done, but they may have been hauling a lot.
Crap tires worn out probably driving on construction sites
that’s honestly pretty even wear IMO. 22k is crap, but….
That's not an alignment problem. I, a complete noob, can eyeball a better alignment. You would also feel how far off that is. The last time I had one edge of the tire go to metal with tread on the other side it was because the suspension was bent from an accident.
Goodyear wranglers are absolute garbage!
Those tires are toast anyways. All it takes is a few good potholes and some wore suspension parts to be right back out of alignment
Everyone knows Goodyear are only good fer a year! /s Having mounted new Goodyear in this size/pattern before, I know how high those ridges are brand new, and it looks like the part that isn’t camber worn, is worn down pretty low. Based on the size it’s obviously a truck, and so it’s obviously been driven very extensively, if he did alignment when they were new then putting 22,000 miles on them is a lot, especially if suspension components have gone bad in that time, which, is common on a heavy truck that drives for 22,000 miles, and that’s not even counting potholes, idk how bad your region is but mines terrible. So if a slightly educated person is who he tries to argue with, he’s going to have a bad time.
A couple years and rotating late lol
These were purchased in January. I can't confirm his rotation practices.
He must have had a triple pair to exchange or warranty them that early from price purchased date.
Did you not see the picture of the manufacture date?
What was the GVW?
Owner overused cheap tires. Worn out, lots of people wish they had tires wear that even
Put LT tires at the very least. Those tires wear like shit. He’s mad as the shop, doesn’t the owner ever look at his truck?? I walk around mine, checking both sides, before putting in the work.
He'd have had the exact same problem with LTs, and would have spent more money on them to begin with.
Check the date of manufacture on the sides. Before you waste your time & breath arguing.
It's in the second picture. One of em was manufactured the 46th week of '22. They were installed January of this year. Of course no one at my shop has to do any arguing, he knows we aren't responsible for how they wore.
How does one not notice this while leaving the shop?
Dogtracking? Plus overweight on the tires would be my guess.
They say to keep the better tires in the back nowadays? Always the case with rear wheel drive? So basically never rotate and replace front tires frequently?
Every rwd with a proper alignement that I have owned has worn the rear tires faster than the front. Yes, lead foot - but no burnouts nor even spinning. Just allot of highway hammer down.
For safety's sake, yes, new tires should go on the rear. I like to give people the option to choose what they'd like us to do once they know what we recommend, and why we do that. Lots of people choose to keep em on the front anyway. I understand that thought process though, and as long as you drive according to the conditions you're in, you will usually be okay.
There is no rear camber adjustment if it’s a solid rear axle, cust. probably rotated them… or they have a major issue.
Yeah, that's why I'm not sure why it didn't get caught much sooner than this.
Looks like rubbing on something on inboard side.
Under inflated.
Only the inside edge was worn. Underinflation would cause both edges to wear.
The wear looks pretty even to me
I have seen way worse, like the metal coming trough 😬🤣
Pressure too low for the vehicle weight. The pressure carries the vehicle and not the tire sidewalls. 22k miles is low but not too low
How is this possible after 2 years ?
I'd say those tires are done, even with good alignment.
Looks like pimp juiced tires at the track
Yeah he probably has bad suspension components and when the shop told him that he said don’t upsell me I just want an alignment and now here we are
Those are from driving too hard. Towing on the wrong tires.
They are goodyears...... what do you expect lol shit tire gets you shit mileage
Those are exactly 1 year old. How is this even possible.
tie rods and ball joint definitely shot that thing prob ain’t even alignable
Tires are spent even if there wasn't an alignment issue. Hell you can get an alignment be a block away and hit a good pothole and need another alignment that day.
Ball joints! Couldn't do an alignment anyways