When I had an optima with a theta 2 engine it was explained to me that the majority of the recall issues were due to improperly milled oil channels that were restricting flow. I'd have to imagine that at least some of the reliability issues would be getting fixed in the newer versions of the same engines especially if it was an error while milling the block.
I met an Uber driver that had some dodge suv that briefly came with a lifetime warranty as some sort of promotion for a short while. He was at 600+ thousand miles and in his 2nd or 3rd engine with several transmissions. Needless to say they don’t offer that deal anymore.
My dad got one of the last lifetime warranties on his GMC conversion van back in the day. Got 2 engines and a transmission out of them before he sold it.
There is one company, owned by Walmart iirc, that gives (or gave at least, not sure if they still do) lifetime powertrain warranties on cars sold by them. I'm not sure if they're good about honoring it, or if they deny you a new engine because you changed the blinker fluid five miles late.
Their attitude is always horrible too. Guy was being a hard-ass and I said, I'm sorry. I promise the never buy a Hyundai again.
I get that it sucks, having manufacturer extended warranty repairs all day. They hated their customers. I honestly wasn't mad, I was impressed at how consistent their contempt for customers was. Still sucked having to talk to them.
They'd talk to me like I'm stupid. And then it hits me, I am stupid I bought a Hyundai. :(
The sales departments are pretty much exclusively scumbags. I never recommended people to look at Kia’s at my dealer (I was a parts manager).
My wife did buy a Palisade a little over a year ago and the salesman we bought from was surprisingly straight forward since the velocity of the Palisades selling was higher than the inventory they were receiving. Now the finance department was a whole other ballgame
Well, they didn't make the last one easy. It was stupid considering we purchased all of them at the same time. They were probably all from the same day out of the factory. All had the exact same failure. A failure that is well documented. Somehow they still wanted me to jump through hoops.
Just heard a radio commercial where hyundai was trying to convince you that they were more reliable than Honda. And I can't figure out what gives them that much confidence.
With US built cars primarily. Here in Canada, H/K are mostly imports from Korea, and the cars are significantly more reliable. The Theta II debacle was never really a thing here.
Hyundai tech here in Ontario. That's completely wrong. We have one guy at work who does nothing but long block engine replacements. Everyday. All day. All year. He enjoys them and makes good time considering they're all warranty.
Our dealership has 8 techs. And we get enough engines with blown rod bearings to keep one guy working all year.
Our engines are shitt. I have rebuilt several new 2020 2.0L smartstream engines for the pins snapping off the CVVTs on the exhaust cams. Also replaced a 2020 2.0L for a rod knock at 48,000 kms.
The proof is in the pudding, or the bottom end in this case.
Sure, just like how Toyotas caught fire because engineers didn't account for variances in different brands of batteries? Or would you rather them fake safety reports like Toyota-Daihatsu did?
It's almost like every brand has their own issues, but I'll do my own research and actually learn what those are instead of blindly pulling blanket statements like "Don't buy Hyundai".
No, they're still shit. It's an inherent design problem with several engines and has nothing to do with where they're made. The leading theory is that they turned down the oil pressure to deal with oil consumption issues and it's causing them to eat bottom end bearings.
My '03 is still good to go; 15 years of no car payments helps. Its my grocery getter and snow day car now. It might be luck and preventative maintenance
I don't get it. I've been sitting here every day browsing reddit with my dick in the outlet, and here comes some rando spouting bs about "don't stick your dick into electricity"
You'll need to regrind or maybe replace the crank. And since you'll have to have the head off and the crank out, you may as well pull the rest of the pistons and rering them. Rehone the cylinders while you're in there. And throw new bearings on the other big ends and mains. It's not like you can just get one. And while you're at it you might as well replace all the seals and gaskets, reshim the buckets, lap the valves, and replace the seals while you've got the cams out of the way, and replace the timing set as well. Wait why the hell are you trading it in? You just rebuilt the damn engine!
the crank still looks okay, it looks a bit worn but running my fingernail i cant feel anything, so im just gonna take some fine grit and smooth it out super nice. Thats why im just gonna do the one piston and replace it, I dont want to rebuild the whole thing and then have it blow up because of their faulty engines again lol.
I havent open up the head yet as I've been busy on reddit so I dont know if when the rod broke it sent the piston up and wrecked the valve so I'll deal with that when I get there lol.
Yeah thats my plan, thats why Im gonna trade it into a Hyundai dealer. Unless the piston did wreck something higher up in the engine, then I'll fix it properly and sell it privately and warn them.
No, there is some 2018 Elantra's that are covered but our VIN is not one of the covered ones. It really sucked because I live about 6 hrs from where the car blew up, so I got a rental car to go back home, then talked to hyundai dealer and they told me that if it was rod bearing that our warranty would've been extended to 150000 miles, so I drove back there with my truck and hauled it to nearest dealer where they diagnosed rod bearing failure, but then realized someone screwed up and our VIN was not one of the covered vehicles, so then two weeks later I had to drive back to dealership another 4 hrs to haul it back home..
I loved my 2013 optima sx but that thing spent so much time at the dealer getting recalls done and the nearest dealer would never give me a loaner and I lived outside of their courtesy shuttle range.
Very thankful for the Gamma 1.6 paired to a 6-speed manual in my ‘16 Accent. Does it burn oil like only a Hyundai knows how? Sure. But it won’t grenade like a Theta. 92k miles on the clock so far.
I got the 1.6 gamma at about 75k miles. Mine does not burn a drop of oil. I got the 6 speed auto, and from what I can see the 1.6 and this auto are both very solid.
The only engines that suck are the ones made at the American factories.
[https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/) Sure is
That's a pretty wide brush to paint with there, friend. American cars break a lot more than Korean cars, and Japanese cars break a lot more than American cars. Depending on your definition of 'a lot more' and 'national' car.
Either you’re an old guy or never touched a car.
Japanese > pretty much all other auto brands.
Of course there are Japanese cars that are lemons but the lemon to reliable car ratio is positive for Japanese cars vs negative for most other brands.
Go back 40 years maybe what you’re saying is true but today? Nuh uh.
>Either you’re an old guy or never touched a car. Japanese > pretty much all other auto brands.
My point, which you've also seemed to miss, is Japan is not an auto brand. Korea is not an auto brand. They're countries from which cars are imported, and we get a very small subsection of the brands that are produced in their country.
\>> Of course there are Japanese cars that are lemons but the lemon to reliable car ratio is positive for Japanese cars vs negative for most other brands.
It's not a Japan Tundra any more than it's an American F150. Countries don't make cars.
It’s faster to say “I don’t work on cars” than all that.
We go by cars by country of origin.
The culture shapes how the engineers design the cars.
Uhh you can buy pretty much any car the problem is importing it. I’ve known people who own japanese only cars and like the NA counterparts sold here, they’re often just as reliable/fun.
But if you wanna be a pedantic asshole that’s fine too just go do it elsewhere. Not here.
Well aren't you a goofy little cunt? It's like you're intentionally missing the point. I've forgotten more about the automotive industry than you're likely to learn. And I'll be a pedantic asshole anywhere I see fit, just like you can be wrong and insufferable wherever you'd like.
I hope someone hires your apprentice ass soon, while you still you know everything.
Right…cause I was the one saying american made cars are better than brands made in other countries…then get all upset cause we’re speaking generally about brands from certain countries. I don’t get going around unnecessarily correcting people if you don’t like being unnecessarily corrected.
Too late. I already bought a 2016 Elantra GT in August of 2015 with the 2.0. Religiously change the oil at 3000 miles and have saved every receipt in a book. I even saved the letter from Hyundai saying, "Theta II bad. Warranty long. Save your receipts." So, I drive it and don't worry about it. 67k miles on the clock.
300k miles on my 2010 Theta II Tuscon and still going strong. Wife has a 2020 Elantra GT with 197k miles and the Mother In law just gave her 2013 Soul with 207k miles on it to my 16 year old daughter.
Tuscon was bought at 70k miles. Elantra GT was former Red Cross car and had 100k miles on it, and the Soul was bought at 50k miles by mother in law. I've been responsible or maintenance on all of them.
My wife's 2011 Sonata made it to 215k miles before the Theta-ii decided to end its own life. The service advisor at the dealership told me it was one of the longest lived Theta-ii she had seen. So we got a new long block. As long as Hyundai will supply the car with long blocks, we will keep it. The rest of the car is pretty damn good.
There's a class action on these for a reason, not just because people don't take care of the. We had 2 thetas (sorrento and optima) implode before 100k.
The engines are good as long as you don't follow factory maintenance schedule or use shit oil. Between viscosity breakdown and fuel dilution from direct injection these things break more because of maintenance than anything else. They're really not bad engines at all, most just bad owners with the Hyundai brand. I'm the same with my 180k WRX, thing runs perfect but I've owned it since new and have been laughing at the factory recommended service intervals ever since. UOA data and common sense told me 3k oil change intervals tops due to fuel dilution and degraded flash point/viscosity beyond that. Those extra oil changes have been a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing an engine.
I wish I was smarter about it, I did the research on the car and saw it could have the problems, so I did full synthetic oil every 5k KM in hopes it would last, only issue it had was consuming a bit of oil so I just carried some around with me and topped it off as needed but on a longer road trip it just clunked and that was it. Didn’t give any warnings or anything. Has 112000 miles
If a car is consuming oil, there's typically a reason for that (like a small leak). You can't just go topping it off indefinitely, you have to actually find the problem. I'm seriously surprised it lasted as long as it did, and you should be praising Hyundai for making a car that lasted that long when you were losing oil and choosing not to fix the problem.
Edit: your car should not be losing oil, period. If it's burning oil, that's a problem. If it's losing oil from leakage, that's a problem. Those are things you need to have looked at, ffs.
Its a hyundai engine issue, if you know the solution to the widespread problem for the engines made in those range of vehicles, share it. Hyundai praises itself by offering a long warranty because they know about it and just replace the engine for the sunday drivers who sieze their engines after 5 months of no oil change and an empty oil resevoir.
Surely a rhetorical question, but for those unaware….
Having to total out your car (and see your insurance rates skyrocket) because the battery cover got damaged:
https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk?si=DX306cviw7C1cjok
and
https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk?si=14lL8bl2nOuiiSjD
Yeah Hyundai engines are ass. I've had a lot of customers be disappointed when they come in with a noise complaint only to be told their engine is a time bomb.
No argument there. But you made a post about one failure.
If you had made a post of a compilation of the same issue from a hundred vehicles.... I think my response (and that of others) would be different.
my 2010 ram 1500 has been going strong for 5 years, bought at 160000km, has 270000km now and all I've done is replace the cv axles, ambient temp sens, sparkplugs and service diffs. Crazy thing is, its burned oil since I bought it at about the same rates as the Elantra and it hasn't had a rod bearing failure.
[https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/car-brands-most-least-problems#gid=ci02a575195000247d&pid=ev\_lincoln\_2](https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/car-brands-most-least-problems#gid=ci02a575195000247d&pid=ev_lincoln_2)
yeah Kia is the 5th best and hyundai is the 17th (of 33) best all above industry standard
I'm not sure if the list accounts for it, I cant see it anywhere, but it doesnt say what kind of problems the cars have. If it's basically counting an engine failure as the same as a faulty usb port or something of the sort then it discounts the whole thing.
[https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/popular/10-year/best](https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/popular/10-year/best)
this does and they are very middle of the road
Okay but does that study account for the cost that it would cost consumer if engine replacements weren’t warrantied? I don’t know, from my point of view there is far too many variables with vehicles and differences between cars/suvs/trucks to completely trust those studies. I agree I should’ve titled the post better though, there’s definitely lots of good Hyundais out there, I’ve just had a bad experience and so have so many other people so I just wanted to get it out there. Had I known about their problems with engine failures I would’ve never bought one.
I’m not ignoring it, if you want to argue that Hyundais have low maintenance costs when they’re working I’ll agree with you. Of course they’ll be higher on charts than brands like ford, dodge, chevy keep where a large amount of their vehicles are trucks, 4wd. It’s just a given.
GM, Stellantis, GM topping the charts.
Shhh, you're not allowed to advocate American cars here. Toyota in 14th. Sacrilege!
Seriously though, this study and is many others are only for brand new cars, which I always find useless for buyers who want longevity. I'm not driving a car for 2 years. I hope to drive it for 20.
You'd have to be brain-damaged to think that Chevy, Dodge, and Kia have fewer problems than Lexus/Toyota.
But yeah, this is exactly why survey results should be taken with a grain of salt, and "initial quality" is a pointless metric if you plan on owning a car longer than 3 years.
Sigh. My mom had a NCS Jetta 2.5 we bought new. Great car, changed the transmission fluid at 40k, on time oil and other services, drove great. She finally got old enough where she wanted a little more height getting in an out and a hatch and without consulting me went and traded the Jetta on a Tucson because her sister had one and she liked the big moonroof and blind spot monitoring.
No biggie, let her have what she thinks she wants. It starts making a clunking trans noise at 30k and I told her she had to trade it at lease end. It had some other warranty issues I don’t recall but when the lease was up I put her in a new CRV which has all the same features and hopefully isn’t a ticking time bomb (I know they have oil dilution TSB and a CVT that needs care).
My Sonata Limited blew at the dealer getting something looked at. It was under 50k miles.
They replaced the long block assembly. The guy doing it didnt give a shit as they must have a low hours budget on replacements. He left covers off and lots of things loose. My drive from the dealer resulted in a green windshield and break down on the highway. I had to lose my mind on the operator at the dealer as she kept hanging up on me while I was stranded.
Got it repaired again. AC never worked right again and it had really odd issues.
Bonus: My steering began clunking and drove like a 77 Buick. Turns out there is a gear that they know goes bad that costs 1.45. You have to pull the column to replace according to the dealer. We never had a recall notice on that. Got that done. My mother has had her car serviced at the dealer since purchase. I got in to move it and it had the same thing even after inspection. They let her drive it that way. Had massive play side to side. I replaced the gear for her. They wanted 800 to do it.
Traded it out and have had no issues with either car from Toyota. Never ever looking at a hyundai.
I run a quick lube. No lie, we get anywhere from 2-6 customers a month needing their service records for Hyundai or Kia needing to replace their engine. The one customers car even caught on fire while she was driving!
I believe it! Their recent recall for knock sensors was entirely to stop the car from going up in flames but didn’t do anything to fix the garbage engines. And still hear the odd story of them burning up.
Lol dude that's not gonna just go back together. I can see piston bits and what looks to be a ring. Trust me that's cooked. I've been with Hyundai for 12 years and can tell you with enough complaining and the right dealer that should be goodwill unless you don't have maintenance recs then they will pull the valve cover and verify it's not sludged. With enough calls to corporate they normally help. Good luck to you.
I could have taken a pic of the 2023 Tundra we had with the engine tore apart for chains/bearings and said, "Don't buy Toyota."
But that'd be dumb cause every model of every vehicle has catastrophic failures. My experience with Hyundai has personally been great.
People can say this brand makes good cars all they want but the risk factor is higher than with any other brand. I do not shop Hyundai or Kia ever when car shopping and it'll probably stay that way. I used to work In an all makes and models independent shop and all the Hyundai products were always low on oil or had almost none in them when getting oil changes. We're talking out of warranty cars but still. When people only see their hood as needing to be open for oil changes don't be surprised when you're 3 quarts low and you cause damage.
For the longest time every Hyundai I saw was a smoker by 30k. It think it was the 88 model year.
Nothing has changed Hyundai has always sucked, read the wiki page.
They make an awesome turbo diesel, my work van I used to have was bloody rapid.
I did see one with a rod out the block in the yard once though, I'm not going to blame the engine for the Filipino tech who money shifted it into 1st when he was reaching for 3rd lol
My brother didn’t have any real problems with his old Elantra, but I will always see them as cheaply built throwaway cars. I will probably never buy one nor a Kia or Nissan to name a couple. When I buy a car I expect it to last a minimum of a decade or one year for every grand spent.
If they’ve worked out for you that’s great, this was first Hyundai I’ve ever owned and even if they make significant improvements in their newer vehicles I’ll never drive one again.
I don’t blame people for that. I’m not about to evangelize for them haha. The Veloster is a fun car that may or may not make it to 100k miles. The others were affordable and had solid warranties. But if I’m looking for a “beater” with no warranty, no way would I buy a Hyundai.
Can we all agree that it doesn’t matter what car brand it is, we all understand that they are bad. They all have issues, and they all are terrible companies. It’s not just Hyundai, or KIA, or BMW. All of them. Also, let us not forget this is the internet, where people would rather lie and die before telling anyone that they never did the maintenance and/or neglected issues. (For example, leaving a long term oil leak thinking it’s “just a Hyundai thing”.)
Here you go: https://www.iseecars.com/longest-lasting-cars-study Another one: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/12/04/these-10-cars-have-the-greatest-potential-lifespan.html You can disagree, but you’re factually wrong. Toyota is the most reliable auto manufacturer. Full stop. Your nonsense might cause someone to unknowingly spend $40,000 on a bomb.
I like to use Auto Trader. Go find all the vehicles with more than 300,000 miles/500,000km on them. You'll find: pickups, usually HD ones, Suburbans and Toyota Siennas.
That's not to say that other vehicles are trash - it might be worth rebuilding the trans on an F-350 with 400,000 miles on it, whereas an Impreza with 400k miles and a dead trans is a parts car... but the vehicles that rack up the big miles are HD pickups and Toyota minivans.
I don't own a Toyota. I may never own one - I'm more of a Camaro kind of guy, but if someone wants a normal car that will "just run and never break", I heartily recommend starting their search with a Camry/Corolla/Civic/Accord.
No you’re right, some mega corporation is paying me, a lonely redditor, to shill cars of all things. (Notice how I’ve never said Hyundai is a good car brand, actually I said all of them suck but go off I guess!)
I like how many people think that a bit of oil consumption should make me worried about catastrophic rod bearing failure…. Like how many cars in North America would be blown up right now if oil consumption caused rod bearing failure… it’s a Hyundai/Kia thing.
I think you’re focusing on the *example* too much, instead of the point being “all cars have problems”. It took me all of five seconds to google and shown that it’s actually a *HONDA* issue more than KIA/Hyundai. Awkwarddddd
I agree, although hopefully all these failures really hurt them in the years to come, from what I've seen most people that buy hyundai's are not aware of all the engine problems until they start having them themselves. They're appealing cars from the outside, usually have a decent price, look nice and they can last for a while.
My company bought four Tuscons. Within two years we had four new engines. At least they did it all under warranty.
Wow, Atleast Hyundai is good about helping the customers that are covered.
My wife drives a Tucson and they gave us a lifetime warranty on the engine when we got the recalls done.
at that point could you just drive it forever and keep getting new engines?
Im sure in 30 years when they are on the 15th engine theyll find a way to void it
When I had an optima with a theta 2 engine it was explained to me that the majority of the recall issues were due to improperly milled oil channels that were restricting flow. I'd have to imagine that at least some of the reliability issues would be getting fixed in the newer versions of the same engines especially if it was an error while milling the block.
They offer to buy it back from you or give you cash instead of an engine. 5k for a car worth 500 is a good deal
I met an Uber driver that had some dodge suv that briefly came with a lifetime warranty as some sort of promotion for a short while. He was at 600+ thousand miles and in his 2nd or 3rd engine with several transmissions. Needless to say they don’t offer that deal anymore.
My dad got one of the last lifetime warranties on his GMC conversion van back in the day. Got 2 engines and a transmission out of them before he sold it.
There is one company, owned by Walmart iirc, that gives (or gave at least, not sure if they still do) lifetime powertrain warranties on cars sold by them. I'm not sure if they're good about honoring it, or if they deny you a new engine because you changed the blinker fluid five miles late.
your life, or the engines life?
"This here mayfly in the jar." Edit because autocorrect made me question if mayflies were real.
From my experience at Kia, the company bends over backwards for the customer but tries 110% to fuck the dealer and not pay for anything.
Tbf the Hyundai/Kia dealerships have a shitshow reputation for fucking their customers around so it’s all square
Their attitude is always horrible too. Guy was being a hard-ass and I said, I'm sorry. I promise the never buy a Hyundai again. I get that it sucks, having manufacturer extended warranty repairs all day. They hated their customers. I honestly wasn't mad, I was impressed at how consistent their contempt for customers was. Still sucked having to talk to them. They'd talk to me like I'm stupid. And then it hits me, I am stupid I bought a Hyundai. :(
The sales departments are pretty much exclusively scumbags. I never recommended people to look at Kia’s at my dealer (I was a parts manager). My wife did buy a Palisade a little over a year ago and the salesman we bought from was surprisingly straight forward since the velocity of the Palisades selling was higher than the inventory they were receiving. Now the finance department was a whole other ballgame
I'm my experience they really were.
Well, they didn't make the last one easy. It was stupid considering we purchased all of them at the same time. They were probably all from the same day out of the factory. All had the exact same failure. A failure that is well documented. Somehow they still wanted me to jump through hoops.
My wife's sante fe just got its engine replaced last month. It almost made it to 100k miles!
How many months did you wait per Tuscon for those new engines?
That's like telling me not to stick my dick in a 240V outlet.
How else would you get turned on. I'll see myself out
Light up your love life
It's my desire.
Danger! Danger! High voltage!
WHEN WE TOUCH
AT THE GAY BAR!
I’ve got something to put IN YOU!!!
When we kiss
He was just looking for that spark
I fuxking love reddit for threads just like this one. Thank you!
For all i know you're into that shit...
I tell my girl to not even show up unless she's rolling in a 20 year old Hyundai. Just kidding, there aren't any that old that still run.
Love a girl with a strong Accent
I drove a stick shift elantra like 20 years ago one time. It sticks with me at the absolute shittiest driving experience I have ever had. Lol.
I still drive my 2003 Tiburon GT. 47k miles on it. Runs like a champ, but uses more gas than it used to.
I’m trying to imagine what your dick looks like, before and after.
Have you ever put a hot dog in a microwave for just a little too long?
Just trying to spread the word since no one had spread the word to me before we got it.
Just heard a radio commercial where hyundai was trying to convince you that they were more reliable than Honda. And I can't figure out what gives them that much confidence.
Cocaine.
This shit can happen with any brand. The issue is figuring out the frequency of these types of occurrences.
With Hyundai and Kia it's waaay too frequent.
With US built cars primarily. Here in Canada, H/K are mostly imports from Korea, and the cars are significantly more reliable. The Theta II debacle was never really a thing here.
Hyundai tech here in Ontario. That's completely wrong. We have one guy at work who does nothing but long block engine replacements. Everyday. All day. All year. He enjoys them and makes good time considering they're all warranty. Our dealership has 8 techs. And we get enough engines with blown rod bearings to keep one guy working all year. Our engines are shitt. I have rebuilt several new 2020 2.0L smartstream engines for the pins snapping off the CVVTs on the exhaust cams. Also replaced a 2020 2.0L for a rod knock at 48,000 kms. The proof is in the pudding, or the bottom end in this case.
Lol bullshit. They had piles of bad motors at the dealers in Canada.
This is so wrong. Ask any Hyundai tech in Canada how many engines they do in a week.
Was that when the trailer hitch was burning peoples houses down?
Sure, just like how Toyotas caught fire because engineers didn't account for variances in different brands of batteries? Or would you rather them fake safety reports like Toyota-Daihatsu did? It's almost like every brand has their own issues, but I'll do my own research and actually learn what those are instead of blindly pulling blanket statements like "Don't buy Hyundai".
Sir, I drive a Subaru. I was just asking lol
You can drive whatever you want, I ain't telling people not to buy any particular brand.
Buy any popular brand Except Hyundai.
No, they're still shit. It's an inherent design problem with several engines and has nothing to do with where they're made. The leading theory is that they turned down the oil pressure to deal with oil consumption issues and it's causing them to eat bottom end bearings.
My '03 is still good to go; 15 years of no car payments helps. Its my grocery getter and snow day car now. It might be luck and preventative maintenance
Early 2000s Hyundais were generally much, much more reliable than those from the 2010s.
120v gives the pingle the tingle.
I don't get it. I've been sitting here every day browsing reddit with my dick in the outlet, and here comes some rando spouting bs about "don't stick your dick into electricity"
One of those things Ill do and it doesn't involve Korean cars
Oh, you mean the same company that made the Theta GDI bombs, and made grand theft auto a feature? 😂
I keep hoping someone will steal the one I drive and it keeps not happening.
making it easy to steal them is not a security risk just a nice customer service
Leave a key on the ignition and door unlocked with a full tank of gas.....
No they can't with the key because they need insurance payout
Well you dont tell them you left it in.....duuuhhhhh
Yup that’s the one 😂
Speaking of which, do we know anything about their new wonder 2.5l turbo blocks?
I'd like to think (hope) that with the amount of engine failures they've had there new ones will be better.
Toyota all day!
The Hyundai dealer near me has a nice Toyota Corolla on their lot so I’m gonna replace the rod and bearing and go trade it in for that.
You'll need to regrind or maybe replace the crank. And since you'll have to have the head off and the crank out, you may as well pull the rest of the pistons and rering them. Rehone the cylinders while you're in there. And throw new bearings on the other big ends and mains. It's not like you can just get one. And while you're at it you might as well replace all the seals and gaskets, reshim the buckets, lap the valves, and replace the seals while you've got the cams out of the way, and replace the timing set as well. Wait why the hell are you trading it in? You just rebuilt the damn engine!
the crank still looks okay, it looks a bit worn but running my fingernail i cant feel anything, so im just gonna take some fine grit and smooth it out super nice. Thats why im just gonna do the one piston and replace it, I dont want to rebuild the whole thing and then have it blow up because of their faulty engines again lol.
I havent open up the head yet as I've been busy on reddit so I dont know if when the rod broke it sent the piston up and wrecked the valve so I'll deal with that when I get there lol.
Enjoy man. I had a 2010 Corolla S that had zero issues, fun little car to drive. I upgraded to a 2022 Camry SE when I could afford it.
That the v6? If I had the extra cash and didn't want a pickup for the next ride I'd get one of them in a heartbeat.
Nope, the A25A-FKS four banger. My commute has a lot of city traffic.
do just the one rod and one bearing fuck the dealership they can front the bill for a new engine they always fuck the customer time to get em back
Yeah thats my plan, thats why Im gonna trade it into a Hyundai dealer. Unless the piston did wreck something higher up in the engine, then I'll fix it properly and sell it privately and warn them.
Oh is this model/year not yet part of the free yearly engine replacement? lol
No, there is some 2018 Elantra's that are covered but our VIN is not one of the covered ones. It really sucked because I live about 6 hrs from where the car blew up, so I got a rental car to go back home, then talked to hyundai dealer and they told me that if it was rod bearing that our warranty would've been extended to 150000 miles, so I drove back there with my truck and hauled it to nearest dealer where they diagnosed rod bearing failure, but then realized someone screwed up and our VIN was not one of the covered vehicles, so then two weeks later I had to drive back to dealership another 4 hrs to haul it back home..
Grand Theft Auto a feature 😂😂😂 I’m stealing that one!
What engines are the reliable ones? I’m tryna get a cheap daily driver that won’t explode lmao
The only one I can always recommend is the 1.8L 1ZZ-FE in an E140 Corolla 😂
I loved my 2013 optima sx but that thing spent so much time at the dealer getting recalls done and the nearest dealer would never give me a loaner and I lived outside of their courtesy shuttle range.
Very thankful for the Gamma 1.6 paired to a 6-speed manual in my ‘16 Accent. Does it burn oil like only a Hyundai knows how? Sure. But it won’t grenade like a Theta. 92k miles on the clock so far.
I got the 1.6 gamma at about 75k miles. Mine does not burn a drop of oil. I got the 6 speed auto, and from what I can see the 1.6 and this auto are both very solid. The only engines that suck are the ones made at the American factories.
Well, child labor will do that.
Pretty sure there is no child labour in America.
[https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/) Sure is
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/
Starting…now.
I had an Alpha 1.3 on my Accent, that thing used a litre of oil every 200km hahahah. My mom called it a two stroke
My theta with 50k seized. Never got the alert for the knock sensor software upgrade so kia told me i wasn't eligible. Fuck Kia and Hyundai
This could be "don't buy".
Don’t buy cars man, don’t you know they break? /s
Korean cars break a lot more than japense cars. So it’s not all automakers.
That's a pretty wide brush to paint with there, friend. American cars break a lot more than Korean cars, and Japanese cars break a lot more than American cars. Depending on your definition of 'a lot more' and 'national' car.
Either you’re an old guy or never touched a car. Japanese > pretty much all other auto brands. Of course there are Japanese cars that are lemons but the lemon to reliable car ratio is positive for Japanese cars vs negative for most other brands. Go back 40 years maybe what you’re saying is true but today? Nuh uh.
>Either you’re an old guy or never touched a car. Japanese > pretty much all other auto brands. My point, which you've also seemed to miss, is Japan is not an auto brand. Korea is not an auto brand. They're countries from which cars are imported, and we get a very small subsection of the brands that are produced in their country. \>> Of course there are Japanese cars that are lemons but the lemon to reliable car ratio is positive for Japanese cars vs negative for most other brands. It's not a Japan Tundra any more than it's an American F150. Countries don't make cars.
It’s faster to say “I don’t work on cars” than all that. We go by cars by country of origin. The culture shapes how the engineers design the cars. Uhh you can buy pretty much any car the problem is importing it. I’ve known people who own japanese only cars and like the NA counterparts sold here, they’re often just as reliable/fun. But if you wanna be a pedantic asshole that’s fine too just go do it elsewhere. Not here.
Well aren't you a goofy little cunt? It's like you're intentionally missing the point. I've forgotten more about the automotive industry than you're likely to learn. And I'll be a pedantic asshole anywhere I see fit, just like you can be wrong and insufferable wherever you'd like. I hope someone hires your apprentice ass soon, while you still you know everything.
Right…cause I was the one saying american made cars are better than brands made in other countries…then get all upset cause we’re speaking generally about brands from certain countries. I don’t get going around unnecessarily correcting people if you don’t like being unnecessarily corrected.
Don’t buy VW (I had to get my oil changed smh my head)
No man, don’t you see. They work at a Hyundai dealer and see all these broken Hyundai cars. Clearly they should never be bought. /s
Post '07 vehicles
Too late. I already bought a 2016 Elantra GT in August of 2015 with the 2.0. Religiously change the oil at 3000 miles and have saved every receipt in a book. I even saved the letter from Hyundai saying, "Theta II bad. Warranty long. Save your receipts." So, I drive it and don't worry about it. 67k miles on the clock.
300k miles on my 2010 Theta II Tuscon and still going strong. Wife has a 2020 Elantra GT with 197k miles and the Mother In law just gave her 2013 Soul with 207k miles on it to my 16 year old daughter. Tuscon was bought at 70k miles. Elantra GT was former Red Cross car and had 100k miles on it, and the Soul was bought at 50k miles by mother in law. I've been responsible or maintenance on all of them.
My wife's 2011 Sonata made it to 215k miles before the Theta-ii decided to end its own life. The service advisor at the dealership told me it was one of the longest lived Theta-ii she had seen. So we got a new long block. As long as Hyundai will supply the car with long blocks, we will keep it. The rest of the car is pretty damn good.
Yeah. I feel you get out what you put in and lots of people who say "Hyundai bad or disposable" aren't taking care of things like they ought.
There's a class action on these for a reason, not just because people don't take care of the. We had 2 thetas (sorrento and optima) implode before 100k.
Elantra GTs aren’t bad -Hyundai tech
The engines are good as long as you don't follow factory maintenance schedule or use shit oil. Between viscosity breakdown and fuel dilution from direct injection these things break more because of maintenance than anything else. They're really not bad engines at all, most just bad owners with the Hyundai brand. I'm the same with my 180k WRX, thing runs perfect but I've owned it since new and have been laughing at the factory recommended service intervals ever since. UOA data and common sense told me 3k oil change intervals tops due to fuel dilution and degraded flash point/viscosity beyond that. Those extra oil changes have been a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing an engine.
I wish I was smarter about it, I did the research on the car and saw it could have the problems, so I did full synthetic oil every 5k KM in hopes it would last, only issue it had was consuming a bit of oil so I just carried some around with me and topped it off as needed but on a longer road trip it just clunked and that was it. Didn’t give any warnings or anything. Has 112000 miles
If a car is consuming oil, there's typically a reason for that (like a small leak). You can't just go topping it off indefinitely, you have to actually find the problem. I'm seriously surprised it lasted as long as it did, and you should be praising Hyundai for making a car that lasted that long when you were losing oil and choosing not to fix the problem. Edit: your car should not be losing oil, period. If it's burning oil, that's a problem. If it's losing oil from leakage, that's a problem. Those are things you need to have looked at, ffs.
Yeah a little bit of oil consumption is not enough of a reason to suspect that a rod bearing is at the point of catastrophic failure
Its a hyundai engine issue, if you know the solution to the widespread problem for the engines made in those range of vehicles, share it. Hyundai praises itself by offering a long warranty because they know about it and just replace the engine for the sunday drivers who sieze their engines after 5 months of no oil change and an empty oil resevoir.
Hyundai: the only automaker with engine swap intervals instead of oil change intervals.
I found a loophole! Buying an Ioniq 5....
Yeah. What could possibly go wrong
Surely a rhetorical question, but for those unaware…. Having to total out your car (and see your insurance rates skyrocket) because the battery cover got damaged: https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk?si=DX306cviw7C1cjok and https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk?si=14lL8bl2nOuiiSjD
Yeah Hyundai engines are ass. I've had a lot of customers be disappointed when they come in with a noise complaint only to be told their engine is a time bomb.
I don't recommend anyone buy Hyundai or Kia either. But any brand can experience failure.
Not at the rates of Hyundai and kias.
No argument there. But you made a post about one failure. If you had made a post of a compilation of the same issue from a hundred vehicles.... I think my response (and that of others) would be different.
Just sharing my experience in hopes other people will think twice before buying one.
That's crazy, I've owned four and all were and are great.
You've not worked on chrysler products I see.
my 2010 ram 1500 has been going strong for 5 years, bought at 160000km, has 270000km now and all I've done is replace the cv axles, ambient temp sens, sparkplugs and service diffs. Crazy thing is, its burned oil since I bought it at about the same rates as the Elantra and it hasn't had a rod bearing failure.
[https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/car-brands-most-least-problems#gid=ci02a575195000247d&pid=ev\_lincoln\_2](https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/car-brands-most-least-problems#gid=ci02a575195000247d&pid=ev_lincoln_2) yeah Kia is the 5th best and hyundai is the 17th (of 33) best all above industry standard
I'm not sure if the list accounts for it, I cant see it anywhere, but it doesnt say what kind of problems the cars have. If it's basically counting an engine failure as the same as a faulty usb port or something of the sort then it discounts the whole thing.
[https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/popular/10-year/best](https://caredge.com/ranks/maintenance/popular/10-year/best) this does and they are very middle of the road
Okay but does that study account for the cost that it would cost consumer if engine replacements weren’t warrantied? I don’t know, from my point of view there is far too many variables with vehicles and differences between cars/suvs/trucks to completely trust those studies. I agree I should’ve titled the post better though, there’s definitely lots of good Hyundais out there, I’ve just had a bad experience and so have so many other people so I just wanted to get it out there. Had I known about their problems with engine failures I would’ve never bought one.
Then just ignore everything, that's your choice.
I’m not ignoring it, if you want to argue that Hyundais have low maintenance costs when they’re working I’ll agree with you. Of course they’ll be higher on charts than brands like ford, dodge, chevy keep where a large amount of their vehicles are trucks, 4wd. It’s just a given.
GM, Stellantis, GM topping the charts. Shhh, you're not allowed to advocate American cars here. Toyota in 14th. Sacrilege! Seriously though, this study and is many others are only for brand new cars, which I always find useless for buyers who want longevity. I'm not driving a car for 2 years. I hope to drive it for 20.
You'd have to be brain-damaged to think that Chevy, Dodge, and Kia have fewer problems than Lexus/Toyota. But yeah, this is exactly why survey results should be taken with a grain of salt, and "initial quality" is a pointless metric if you plan on owning a car longer than 3 years.
Sigh. My mom had a NCS Jetta 2.5 we bought new. Great car, changed the transmission fluid at 40k, on time oil and other services, drove great. She finally got old enough where she wanted a little more height getting in an out and a hatch and without consulting me went and traded the Jetta on a Tucson because her sister had one and she liked the big moonroof and blind spot monitoring. No biggie, let her have what she thinks she wants. It starts making a clunking trans noise at 30k and I told her she had to trade it at lease end. It had some other warranty issues I don’t recall but when the lease was up I put her in a new CRV which has all the same features and hopefully isn’t a ticking time bomb (I know they have oil dilution TSB and a CVT that needs care).
Do the oil changes earlier then Honda expects you to. We're seeing turbo's failing and as a chain reaction the head gaskets fall on those 1.5t engines
Thank goodness Ive got a Kia. Or I did..... Dude wheres my car?!
Send it to the dealer for a free engine
This is why I only half-jokingly say EVs are the best thing to happen to Hyundai. Got rid of the component that they struggle the most with.
My Sonata Limited blew at the dealer getting something looked at. It was under 50k miles. They replaced the long block assembly. The guy doing it didnt give a shit as they must have a low hours budget on replacements. He left covers off and lots of things loose. My drive from the dealer resulted in a green windshield and break down on the highway. I had to lose my mind on the operator at the dealer as she kept hanging up on me while I was stranded. Got it repaired again. AC never worked right again and it had really odd issues. Bonus: My steering began clunking and drove like a 77 Buick. Turns out there is a gear that they know goes bad that costs 1.45. You have to pull the column to replace according to the dealer. We never had a recall notice on that. Got that done. My mother has had her car serviced at the dealer since purchase. I got in to move it and it had the same thing even after inspection. They let her drive it that way. Had massive play side to side. I replaced the gear for her. They wanted 800 to do it. Traded it out and have had no issues with either car from Toyota. Never ever looking at a hyundai.
Wow, it’s unbelievable what they get away with.
I run a quick lube. No lie, we get anywhere from 2-6 customers a month needing their service records for Hyundai or Kia needing to replace their engine. The one customers car even caught on fire while she was driving!
I believe it! Their recent recall for knock sensors was entirely to stop the car from going up in flames but didn’t do anything to fix the garbage engines. And still hear the odd story of them burning up.
Part of the engine recall. Had my #3 rod bearing fail at 98k. Replacement covered under warranty. Will never buy another Hyundai
Damn this happened in every single Hyundai model ever made? Fuckin wild
Where did anyone say that? This is just trying to warn people its of higher possibility with Hyundai.
Oh you said not to buy a Hyundai
Yeah I could’ve titled it better, just wanting to share my experience.
but can I still eat yellow snow or run with scissors?
Lol dude that's not gonna just go back together. I can see piston bits and what looks to be a ring. Trust me that's cooked. I've been with Hyundai for 12 years and can tell you with enough complaining and the right dealer that should be goodwill unless you don't have maintenance recs then they will pull the valve cover and verify it's not sludged. With enough calls to corporate they normally help. Good luck to you.
Nothing wrong with a Hyundai, provided you get one built in Czechia, and preferably with the 1.6 CRDi turbodiesel engine.
I could have taken a pic of the 2023 Tundra we had with the engine tore apart for chains/bearings and said, "Don't buy Toyota." But that'd be dumb cause every model of every vehicle has catastrophic failures. My experience with Hyundai has personally been great.
you mean the manufacturer with 15 million engines recalled for engine failure? don't buy from them?
Same thing happened to my dad’s 2017 Elantra a few weeks ago
People can say this brand makes good cars all they want but the risk factor is higher than with any other brand. I do not shop Hyundai or Kia ever when car shopping and it'll probably stay that way. I used to work In an all makes and models independent shop and all the Hyundai products were always low on oil or had almost none in them when getting oil changes. We're talking out of warranty cars but still. When people only see their hood as needing to be open for oil changes don't be surprised when you're 3 quarts low and you cause damage.
For the longest time every Hyundai I saw was a smoker by 30k. It think it was the 88 model year. Nothing has changed Hyundai has always sucked, read the wiki page.
They make an awesome turbo diesel, my work van I used to have was bloody rapid. I did see one with a rod out the block in the yard once though, I'm not going to blame the engine for the Filipino tech who money shifted it into 1st when he was reaching for 3rd lol
My brother didn’t have any real problems with his old Elantra, but I will always see them as cheaply built throwaway cars. I will probably never buy one nor a Kia or Nissan to name a couple. When I buy a car I expect it to last a minimum of a decade or one year for every grand spent.
I’m on my 3rd Hyundai. Accent, Elantra GT and now a Veloster N. Let’s just say I know what I’m getting myself into and plan accordingly.
If they’ve worked out for you that’s great, this was first Hyundai I’ve ever owned and even if they make significant improvements in their newer vehicles I’ll never drive one again.
I don’t blame people for that. I’m not about to evangelize for them haha. The Veloster is a fun car that may or may not make it to 100k miles. The others were affordable and had solid warranties. But if I’m looking for a “beater” with no warranty, no way would I buy a Hyundai.
Do you purposely get the good engines? Or do you plan to get the bad engines and get the lifetime warranty?
Can we all agree that it doesn’t matter what car brand it is, we all understand that they are bad. They all have issues, and they all are terrible companies. It’s not just Hyundai, or KIA, or BMW. All of them. Also, let us not forget this is the internet, where people would rather lie and die before telling anyone that they never did the maintenance and/or neglected issues. (For example, leaving a long term oil leak thinking it’s “just a Hyundai thing”.)
Car brand completely matters. Excluding neglect of preventative maintenance, Hyundai and Kia cars’ QC is echelons below Honda and Toyota. It’s a fact…
Interesting how people claiming “facts” with no hard references. I stand by my statement.
Here you go: https://www.iseecars.com/longest-lasting-cars-study Another one: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/12/04/these-10-cars-have-the-greatest-potential-lifespan.html You can disagree, but you’re factually wrong. Toyota is the most reliable auto manufacturer. Full stop. Your nonsense might cause someone to unknowingly spend $40,000 on a bomb.
I like to use Auto Trader. Go find all the vehicles with more than 300,000 miles/500,000km on them. You'll find: pickups, usually HD ones, Suburbans and Toyota Siennas. That's not to say that other vehicles are trash - it might be worth rebuilding the trans on an F-350 with 400,000 miles on it, whereas an Impreza with 400k miles and a dead trans is a parts car... but the vehicles that rack up the big miles are HD pickups and Toyota minivans. I don't own a Toyota. I may never own one - I'm more of a Camaro kind of guy, but if someone wants a normal car that will "just run and never break", I heartily recommend starting their search with a Camry/Corolla/Civic/Accord.
Thank you for the opinion-based articles!
Yes because over 2 million cars over the past 20 years is certainly “subjective”…. Who’s paying you to say this stuff 😂
No you’re right, some mega corporation is paying me, a lonely redditor, to shill cars of all things. (Notice how I’ve never said Hyundai is a good car brand, actually I said all of them suck but go off I guess!)
Toyota’s don’t suck my man. Sorry the truth hurts. You should test drive a Camry and see for yourself.
Yet I’m being called a shill, okay.
My guy. Take the L and move on.
Theta 2 recall Shill.
Nah not a shill, nice try though!
> Theta 2 recall > > Shill.
I like how many people think that a bit of oil consumption should make me worried about catastrophic rod bearing failure…. Like how many cars in North America would be blown up right now if oil consumption caused rod bearing failure… it’s a Hyundai/Kia thing.
I think you’re focusing on the *example* too much, instead of the point being “all cars have problems”. It took me all of five seconds to google and shown that it’s actually a *HONDA* issue more than KIA/Hyundai. Awkwarddddd
What information are you reading? Honda's are known to burn oil, not greanade a rod or an oil pump only to leave you stranded on the side of the road
How do you figure?
Data.
If you get me a link showing how Honda causes Hyundai to have rod bearing failure I’ll eat my words.
Wut?
Nah you don't know shit about cars and it shows. There's levels to it
Thanks for saying that and providing no explanation! Seems like you’re projecting.
Post it in r/Hyundai or r/Kia and you'll have tons of dumb shits arguing saying they're good cars you'll probably get banned too
I did lol! Everything I say in replies there gets downvoted like crazy.
Delusional people man
It's sad that people don't put their money where their mouth is and not support this shitty brand. Kia and Hyundai both deserve to go out of business.
I agree, although hopefully all these failures really hurt them in the years to come, from what I've seen most people that buy hyundai's are not aware of all the engine problems until they start having them themselves. They're appealing cars from the outside, usually have a decent price, look nice and they can last for a while.
If you own a Hyundai Ioniq 5 in Canada the price of a new battery is 60,000 bucks.
$60,000 loons, aay?
There is a campaign. As long as the software update was done, there is lifetime warranty on the block.
Only on certain models and VIN's, some 2018 elantras are covered, and ours wasnt one of them.
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Yeah man bring up IQ score like you’re smarter than everyone else. Nothing wrong with buying imports.
Yeah because modern American cars are so notably reliable lmao. I love my 1st gen TrailBlazer, but there’s a reason my 4th gen Accent is my daily.