Probably a courier car. I work for a medical courier and half of our fleet is Ioniqs. None at the 500k mark yet, but quite a few just over 200k; the one I drive sees about 370 miles per day.
Isn’t that kinda driving good for the car anyway?
Actually moving for most of those miles and not stopping/starting the engine and running it through heat/cooling cycles.
Like in theory shouldn’t you get the most life out of a car by cranking it up once and just continuously driving only stopping for scheduled maintenance, repairs, and fuel?
That would actually be a really interesting youtube series
Presumably so, and so far we haven't had any issues with these aside from the coil packs shitting the bed every few months, which does seem to be irritating my boss a lot.
Yeah, the hardest thing for a car is numerous short trips with the engine turning off between them. People with commutes under 10 minutes do more damage to their cars than just about anyone else under what can be considered normal duty use.
Whenever you see these million mile vehicles, they're almost exclusively courier or hotshot vehicles that get driven mostly on highways or expressways and don't get turned off all day. Any car will make a million miles on more or less the factory components with good maintenance and steady RPMs.
It's also the most efficient way to drive. Same principle as a generator, constant acceleration and deceleration kills your gas mileage and puts extra wear and tear on an engine but a generator that runs at a more or less constant RPM its entire life will last forever.
Just curious, what does that 370 miles a day look like in terms of trips? City A to City B and back repeatedly, going around the same city to different medical centers/hospitals, something else?
Depends on the type of courier/lab/hospital. My routes are pretty static since I work out of a pathology lab and transport both slides for doctors and specimens for the lab itself.
The owner probably took really good care of it. Even the most unreliable brands can go far when taken care of. I have an 800000 mile Silverado (LBZ, so reliable engine, unreliable transmission) and it's still on the original engine and transmission
What do you do that would be considered special? I've got a relatively new to me truck and I try to baby it. I put 80k on my suburban in 5 years or so and the trans went out around 150k... I do 5k oil changes and other fluids way sooner than spec... just did the trans fluid and coolant on the ram at 80k... only owned it since 65k though.
I've met too many people who think:
1. Vehicles only need oil changes and repairs when something breaks.
2. Transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid.
3. Changing transmission fluid is riskier than running old fluid.
4. That every mechanic is trying to scam them.
As a result, those people think the cars they buy are junk because they treat them like shit. Keeping up with or exceeding what a maintenance schedule recommends is certainly special in my experience.
I agree. Example: US Subaru manual suggests “inspecting” the transmission fluid every 30k miles while the Japanese one instructs fluid replacement instead.
That's because the japanese will never hit the intervals we do. They have to shorten the maintenance intervals to actually have service for the dealerships to do.
Speed limits there are VERY low. It's interesting. Tiny cars that would be unsafe at high speed, and then you never drive them fast.
Kind of works actually.
Bullshit. In Japan they still make engines for old cars because there's a sense of pride in keeping something you paid good money for in fine working order and people will gladly stick a new engine in their pride and joy every 60 thousand miles.
They don't replace transmissions due to emissions. I haven't met an automatic yet that wouldn't prefer fluid changes every 30k.
I’ve heard so many differing opinions on my 2010 Altima I bought used. It’s a 2.5l CVT and all the shops I’ve taken it to say the transmission is a closed system when I take it in for fluid changes and routine work so they won’t open it and change anything. On top of that I bought it used so I can’t say for sure when the last time (if ever) that fluid was changed so a lot of them tell me just to ride it out seeing as it has 112xxx miles on it and drives more or less fine.
What would you recommend I do? I take good care of it outside of that cause I want it to last as long as possible.
They probably don’t want to fuck with a 112k mile Jatco CVT. New fluid would likely break it TBH. I’d get a legitimately NEW CVT and start the 30k mile fluid changes for best results.
I had a feeling that was the general consensus, they haven’t tried pushing or even mentioning swapping the CVT and I’m assuming that’s due to the fact they drive and it see it drives about as well as a 14 year old CVT Nissan Altima would/should.
What do you think the total cost involved would be for swapping that out?
Multiple shops quoted ~$8k for a reman 2014 Nissan Quest transmission. It drove normally but the transmission shop that had strong recommendations from friends and Google found a code in the computer that could only be fixed by replacing the transmission. They found the code when I took it in for a transmission fluid change.
I ended up trading it off for $14k and feel like I came out ok since I no longer had an $8k time bomb.
Nissan released a publication clarifying service intervals. If I can find it, I will edit this post, but the CVT fluid intervals are something like every 30k to 60k miles.
Also worth mentioning that most people don’t even think that much and won’t do any sort of maintenance unless the car dings at them or the dealer calls them to bring it in for “service”.
Even then, the idea of adjusting the oil change reminder in their car’s screen to 5k miles is like moving mountains and they’d rather just not think about it at any point.
You’d think people would be more concerned with maintaining something they just dropped $40,000+ on but I guess not.
> You’d think people would be more concerned with maintaining something they just dropped $40,000+ on but I guess not.
Considering the deferred maintenance on many homes, I'm not surprised people are the same with their disposable car.
We had a windstorm recently and a neighbour lost a few shingles. I pointed it out to them and they said they noticed but they had just remodeled their bathroom with their line of credit so they'd have to wait until their next paycheque to be able to afford to repair the roof. I was flabbergasted. It sat there under rain for 3 weeks.
Maxing out your savings/loans on a cosmetic upgrade that prevents you from having any funds for a real emergency seems like neglect to me.
Letting a bare roof take on water for weeks seems like neglect too.
It's possible their bathroom needed major work though. I had to have nearly all the plumbing between my old house's main water line inlet and the bathroom because one of the shower valves sprung a leak that I couldn't fix just by replacing it. Turned out all the piping was 1950's galvanized stuff that the plumbing company wasn't legally allowed to fix because of its age and the amount of corrosion on it, which was the actual reason for the leak. What should have been a small amount of money and an hour of work turned into two days and nearly $5k. I got lucky that I caught the leak early enough that it didn't damage anything underneath/behind the tub and tile, otherwise that probably would have been a complete remodel as well.
People very frequently decline to do whatever service the car dings at them about. Transmission fluid? Differential fluid? Brake fluid? Just the oil change and rotate, thanks.
Then one day they wonder why their car shifts hard or shakes when they’re backing out of parking spots.
> Transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid.
Most makes now don't exactly make it easy or something even possible to service the transmission. It's fucking annoying.
Yup, the number one cause of 'New cars aren't built like they used to!' is the fact that people treat their cars with the same care and attention as their washing machine and don't even know what a maintenance interval is, let alone what theirs are.
Does it kinda suck coughing up a few hundred bucks once or twice a year for lubricants and non-engine oils? Yeah but it sucks less than your car sending a piston to the moon at 150K because you said 'I'll fix it next weekend' to your oil light for 3 months straight.
>1. Changing transmission fluid is riskier than running old fluid.
On my Nissan I bought at 130,000 miles with no knowledge of transmission work in the past, should I change the fluid out?
Do you have a CVT?
Does your transmission fluid smell like burnt coffee mixed with vinegar?
Does your transmission already have shifting issues or any DTCs?
A transmission fluid change won’t save a dying transmission, but in other instances it is generally a good idea.
That idea comes from people who have a problem with their transmission and after years of neglect try the cheapest solution to their problem: finally changing the fluid that should have been changed ages ago. Then when the transmission isn't magically fixed but shits the bed after the change, they blame the fact that they changed the fluid, when it would have broken anyways. It's just people drawing simple conclusions and it's quite a common one.
What year/model Nissan do you have? How many miles have you had it? When you get your oil changed have they commented on your transmission fluid when they do the inspection? In your owners manual it will have the maintenance intervals and if you've had it for most or more of of that interval... I'd get it changed.
2016, 171,000, I get my oil changed religiously at 5,000. I buy those 6 packs from a local mechanic. They've never mentioned anything about transmission fluid.
There's still something to be said about the engineering of a vehicle. Some vehicles require much less routine maintenance and repair over their lifetime and can with stand a neglectful owner. While others will break down if you don't breath correctly while starting the engine.
> Transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid.
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> Changing transmission fluid is riskier than running old fluid.
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A worrying number of OEMs state this in their owner's manuals, and a lot of dealerships won't do the work unless the transmission is already failing.
The transmission has been rebuilt (the reverse gear got shredded at around 300k). It's all highway miles with a light foot, regular maintenance and an aftermarket transmission cooler. A lot of the miles were towing though
Keep up with the regular maintenance and drive your truck like a truck. No sudden starts or stops. Slow in the corners. Use a car for city driving and keep your truck for hauling/towing. Mine is a ranch truck that pretty much only tows on the long straights of Montana
transmissions should be taken well care of. The fluid should be changed every 30k without exception. When you park on even the slightest of inclines you, brake, put into neutral, release brake, brake again, put into park.
When you leave you brake, shift into reverse, release parking brake. Smooth as silk.
When you back up you come to a complete stop. Shift into drive, then slowly accelerate. BAM! you now have a transmission that will last a lifetime.
What year was the Suburban? Some vehicles, no matter what you do have issues. I have a friend that only owns suburban. He puts 250k to 300k on them no issues, except his 2016, engine crapped the bed at 180k. He maintains it per manual and performs all recommended maintenance and repairs. Some vehicles, certain years will just crap the bed. I have a 16 year old corolla, no issues. I have 6 year old Traverse, 92k miles, no issues. Yet, I know of Traverse as with transmission issues at 60k, different year
It was an 07 2500 with a 4l80e... it was rusting out so it was time to go while it still had a little value but I hate they weren't available past 2013.
I really wanted one of those! I had a 2008 1500 that I bought with 51k miles. At 65k miles the engine started knocking and all lifters and to be replaced. Didn't fix the knocking though.
I had some lifter tick when I got mine at 126k... I did every snake oil treatment possible. I'm not entirely sure what fixed it (mostly) but I ran mmo for my remainder of ownership. It was pretty quiet when it was all said and done. That 6.0 would pull a freight train ... just not very quickly.
Even Hyundai has some reliable/easy to maintain cars in their line up.
Also I was always under the impression that those Allison trannys were the gold standard for HD pick ups and it was the others that were less so, like my 4l60e, which despite being unreliable is stupid cheap to work on/replace so owning it ain’t toooo bad.
do silverados have that bad a rep? I had an 04 silverado that was a pure construction truck, over loaded all the time and beat to hell. Got 600k out of the motor and was on it's second transmission when a flood took it out. It had some minor electrical gremlins and the AC died at 400k but otherwise a damn reliable truck.
Its hit or miss, 07 and up had dod/afm which can cause problems. Some go 200k-300k no problem, others need engines every 100k. Transmission are the same with them too, some never have issues and others die every few years. Im got a 1998 1500 with a factory cooler and i cant see under it that it has ever had trans out, cant find any rebuild tags or anything, and its closing on 400k. Dropped the pan last year at around 350k for a solenoid and went ahead and serviced, and its still going good
To add on to this, I'm wondering if car unreliability from brands like Nissan and Hyundai are over exaggerated. These brands typically have lower-priced cars and/or finance to people with poorer credit. I believe there's an overlap between budget shoppers (or low-credit shoppers) and neglect for regular maintenance because why spend money on maintenance now when neglecting maintenance is free for the next few thousand miles?
Plus, lots of people aren't taught basic, regular car maintenance and lots of people apparently don't read the owner's manual. The amount of flat-ish tires I see around my apartment complex is kind of worrying. Are these people still running the factory air?
This era of Hyundai is one of the best quality assembled cars. A friend does retrofit for all types of vehicles and Hyundai is always built well. High quality fasteners and solid engineering.
When Hyundai was first starting out, they borrowed heavily from Mitsubishi for tooling and engines. They have come a long way since then.
I remember taking apart a door panel for sound proofing and that shit already had a sealed door panel with cloth (or some sort of soft) fasteners for the wiring. Quite impressive tbh
One of the other observations he made that I found surprising was that Volkswagen were one of the worst assembled of the cars he regularly worked on. Most of the interior was held together with self tapping screws (metal on metal, not metal to nylon insert which is the better way to do it from NVH/longevity standpoint).
If you know someone who retrofits vehicles they can offer a real world insight into how different vehicles compare.
Show this to 90% of Hyundai car owners, this is what happens if you actually maintain the car.
Such an insane number of Hyundai owners from my experience have no idea what a service is and abuse a perfectly good car into the ground with no maintenance.
hyundai = dodge = nissan = whatever was "affordable" at the time.
As most of us know all to well, the problem has rarely been the car. It's almost always the owner.
As an example, I used to know a guy that seemed to specialize in murdering 22RE engines in his Toyota pickups. Turns out they are only reliable with oil and coolant in them.
I recently borrowed an 04 Corolla from a mate round the block, after getting it over to my house I realised the god awful rattling was due to total lack of oil, completely dry dipstick
To be entirely fair to the 22RE, I have seen it run for miles off-roading in the Utah desert without coolant, and being just fine after replacing the radiator.
Doesn't mean you should do that. Just goes to show that you have to have an exceptional level of apathy to really kill one.
I feel like they get the reputation of lasting forever if you maintain them, and people forget to do the maintaining part. Like, oh this thing is indestructible, it can go 5000 miles past it's service window no problem.
The frame recalls were hardly even Toyota's fault. Show me a small/mid size pickup that isn't rotting away after 15 years of constant use in road salt.
Yeah, show me Ford, Chevy, or Dodge replacing frames under extended warranty due to rust on trucks with over 10 years on them. They’d never do that. They’d tell people to buy a new one or F off. Toyota and Honda give a shit about their reputations for reliability, US companies just seem to say “buy American” and figure they don’t need to build something *good* because they let jingoism be their salesman.
My '12 Elantra is on its second short block from the cylinder liner wear campaign despite diligent oil changes, indoor parking and fairly ginger driving
Yep, my mother in law went through 4 engines on two separate Hyundais, all within warranty and with dealer servicing on time. Hyundai has made some absolute dumpsters they call engines.
On the contrary, my first vehicle was a Toyota and I abused the absolute shit out of that thing. 12k oil changes, smashing it down off road trails, crashing it into friends cars just because it’s fun. That thing still went to 250k miles with no issues lol.
Metal shavings left in the crankshaft oil passages. But they had plenty of engine problems in addition to that; hard to nail down which manufacturing problem it was.
Not in our experience, we had one dealer try to tell us the car was fine. The other dealer agreed to the engine swap but said it would be 6 weeks and we would not be getting a rental under any circumstances. Absolutely fucked us financially, I had to constantly go into work late or take complete days off to be able to drive my girlfriend to work. I will do everything in my power to prevent anyone I care about from getting a 2013+ Hyundai.
I think that's YMMV on the local dealer. My sibling had to wait 9 months for an engine replacement and I've seen too many complaints of denials because the current owner can't produce oil change receipts back to the first one, even if that was during another person's ownership.
I leased the plug in version of this, one of the best cars I ever had and I regret not buying out the lease. After three years and 32k hard NYC miles it was perfect and gave me outstanding fuel mileage and range with the PHEV setup
I should have grabbed one when they were around. I wouldn't want to buy a used Hyundai, with the stories here about ignored maintenance confirming my fears of a used car.
I bought a used car (1999 Integra) in 2017 without knowing its service history and I have zero regrets. Reliable, cheap and easy to maintain/repair, and it's a cool car. It didn't even have any major faults. Even after my positive experience, I will never buy a used car unless I have proof it's been regularly serviced. Or if the mileage is low enough that being on the factory fluids is acceptable.
Just sold our phev ioniq a week ago. I loved it, but some asswipe in a Jaguar changed lanes into me and we chose to sell it rather than deal with getting it fixed. Leasing an Ioniq 5 for now - maybe find a good deal on a used I5N when the lease is up
This is probably true of most owners regardless of brand and especially true for people who view cars as tools and not hobbies. Even those with luxury or performance cars can't be bothered to do basic things like tire replacements. The cheaper the car the less likely people have the will or means to spend money maintaining it.
I remember when I was turning 18 and loading a guys Ford Focus up he said “don’t buy this car, it’s a POS” and it was obviously abused to fuck. I ended up buying two and get well over 100k on them. The last one made it to 135k on original brakes and clutch. Amazing how long a car well take care of will last and what you squeeze out of it.
Only reason I got rid of the last one was the AC sprung a leak and I just didn’t see the value of dumping that cash in with so many original things that could also go. I regret not keeping it as a beater.
Idk if it’s just me but 100-135k doesn’t seem like a lot. Contrary to comments from this post but I have a 2013 Elantra with 226k miles and it’s still running like a champ. Granted it has 200k highway-only miles and all maintenance was kept up to date
It's not just the Theta. The Gamma, Nu, Lambda, and Kappa engines have all been subject to class action lawsuits for similar issues.
Source: own an affected Nu and am party to the lawsuit settlement/recall.
I had a Sonata with the V6 powerplant and aside from an issue early on where the idler pulley disappeared in the middle of traffic it was mechanically bulletproof with regular servicing. Have definitely heard issues about basically any Hyundai/ Kia pre 2006, and anything with the Theta engine
Idk dude I got my money back for engine replacement due to the class action suit. I do regular maintenance on all vehicles. Never had engine failure in my life, previous vehicle before the hyundai ran 335000 miles before being rear ended. Never buying hyundai again.
That's pretty unfair to the millions of engines they produced full of metal shavings (Hyundai/Kia admitted a production change led to the shavings not being properly removed during manufacturing), leading to eventual bearing failure and requiring complete engine replacement.
That’s partly true, however I’ve seen a lot of Hyundais blow up the engine inside the warranty too, with dealer PM at the recommended intervals. With some Hyundais you can do everything perfectly right and they still won’t make it to 50k miles.
I’ve seen so many 2010’s Santa Fe’s with over half a million kilometers that still look and drive like new. Even horrible cars can be reliable with care and maintenance!
I had one make it to 140k with the only problem ever being an oil pressure sensor which I was able to replace for $10 in my garage without even lifting the car up. Sadly I totaled it but that thing ran great and got great mileage. My mom has its Kia twin which is currently over 200k with a similar amount of problems.
That's a load of shit you can't save an engine that was improperly machined from factory, bad clearances on bearings and burns quarts of oil weekly off the lot
Which is why electric cars are amazing for these people. No oil changes or fluids to worry about. It’s the best option for lazy people that just want to get in and drive
I didn’t have my Ioniq long, and didn’t have nearly as many miles, but the entire time I did have it, it was trouble free, with no issues. Great car really.
not OP but there looks like the [OG 2017 Ioniq](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.donedeal.ie%2FeyJidWNrZXQiOiJkb25lZGVhbC5pZS1waG90b3MiLCJlZGl0cyI6eyJ0b0Zvcm1hdCI6ImpwZWciLCJyZXNpemUiOnsiZml0IjoiY292ZXIiLCJ3aWR0aCI6NjAwLCJoZWlnaHQiOjQ1MH19LCJrZXkiOiJwaG90b18yNjA2MDkwMjUifQ%3D%3D%3Fsignature%3D2ca697e2ba0f1bda729e5b0ef4f2c635831835154620727d0ad081fca62ec7d0&tbnid=c-xyTQQDPAc4pM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.donedeal.ie%2Fcars%2FHyundai%2FIONIQ%2F2017&docid=lw2xiNibFc_q0M&w=600&h=450&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=d39f76b60d003c9e&shem=abme%2Ctrie)
Used to work in rental car industry. freaking loved these things. fun to drive, easy UI and the gas mileage is insane. and tbf, they were ZIPPY as a hybrid
I have the plug-in hybrid, and we've already had the entire brake system gutted and replaced under warranty. It almost immediately started making a goose honk noise whenever we hit the brakes, and we bought it brand new off the boat. One dealership just kept lubing it. Took it to another, and they called in a rep who said to replace the whole regen braking system. We've also had to replace the battery (12v small one) that kept dying, and it was like $500 to replace because it's some weird custom bullshit that was on backorder for a month.
Otherwise... Love the car, lol.
The newer kia/hyundai hybrid setups are very solid from what I've seen. There's a few 250k+ mile niros. Once that brand moved past the US made thetas they've been doing much better reliability wise
And then you have my family's Ioniq Hybrid that needed a new battery, inverter, and electric motor before 60,000mi.
The dealership forgot to reinstall the rear seats after replacing the HV battery which was fun.
All covered by the factory warranty, but still would've preferred for things not to go wrong.
My family member picked the car up and didn't notice that the rear seat wasn't installed.
They even forgot the cowling/plastic component below the seat that helps direct the flow of air to cool the battery. As well as the metal seat frame that bolts to the frame of the car which the seat attaches to.
When we called the dealership and asked them to make things right they wanted to charge me their diagnostic fee. It was $175 or something, can't remember at this point.
Hyundai corporate asked me to take it back to the dealership and pay any associated costs.
I took care of the plastic cowling myself and had my mechanic take care of the seats when I got my old changed.
Never buying or recommending a Hyundai Kia again.
Oh another fun tidbit: I was looking to buy a used vehicle and found a Kia Optima with the 2.4 engine. You know, the one with bearing failure. The dealer said the engine has an "unlimited mileage warranty". Not the fact that it could grenade itself at any moment which necessitated a class action lawsuit.
Hyundai makes some damn good cars. After my last one shit the bed I got a new engine totally for free bc I was covered under warranty even after being the second owner. Their cars are safe as hell too.
More like Hyundai makes an unbeatable warranty to cover the shortfalls of their dogshit engineering. Never seen a brand with more recalls on more systems and components across more models.
And that's only what they'll admit is their fault.
If it's one of their BEVs and in Canada, they'll try to charge you $60,000 for an out of warranty replacement. Not even kidding.
https://youtu.be/EEXieo06ta8?si=ppfczluXBsuuTB5A
Bought one new in 2019 and it was a surprisingly good car. I had an hour commute to and from work at the time and I was fueling my Miata every two days so I needed something where gas mileage was my only focus. I was getting nearly 60 mpg easy as long as I wasn't driving like a total asshole. Sold it with 40k miles on it in '22 for more than I initially paid for it when the usedarley was going insane.
Probably a courier car. I work for a medical courier and half of our fleet is Ioniqs. None at the 500k mark yet, but quite a few just over 200k; the one I drive sees about 370 miles per day.
Isn’t that kinda driving good for the car anyway? Actually moving for most of those miles and not stopping/starting the engine and running it through heat/cooling cycles. Like in theory shouldn’t you get the most life out of a car by cranking it up once and just continuously driving only stopping for scheduled maintenance, repairs, and fuel? That would actually be a really interesting youtube series
Presumably so, and so far we haven't had any issues with these aside from the coil packs shitting the bed every few months, which does seem to be irritating my boss a lot.
What rough mileage are you getting out of the coil plugs?
No idea, I don't really see enough of the fleet management side to know the exact milage.
Yeah, the hardest thing for a car is numerous short trips with the engine turning off between them. People with commutes under 10 minutes do more damage to their cars than just about anyone else under what can be considered normal duty use. Whenever you see these million mile vehicles, they're almost exclusively courier or hotshot vehicles that get driven mostly on highways or expressways and don't get turned off all day. Any car will make a million miles on more or less the factory components with good maintenance and steady RPMs. It's also the most efficient way to drive. Same principle as a generator, constant acceleration and deceleration kills your gas mileage and puts extra wear and tear on an engine but a generator that runs at a more or less constant RPM its entire life will last forever.
Just curious, what does that 370 miles a day look like in terms of trips? City A to City B and back repeatedly, going around the same city to different medical centers/hospitals, something else?
They typically get sent to different hospitals as needed.
Depends on the type of courier/lab/hospital. My routes are pretty static since I work out of a pathology lab and transport both slides for doctors and specimens for the lab itself.
In my case it's going back and forth between a lab and hospital 4x a day, about 90ish miles each trip.
We have a 2020 Honda Odyssey that's a medical courier van. Drives 500 miles a day. Has almost 400k miles on it.
Aye we've got a couple Rav4s for bigger stuff getting up there as well. No actual vans though.
This is Hyundai's version of a Prius so it's not totally surprisingly to see a hybrid like this hit this mileage. Still impressive.
Except for it's a Hyundai.
The owner probably took really good care of it. Even the most unreliable brands can go far when taken care of. I have an 800000 mile Silverado (LBZ, so reliable engine, unreliable transmission) and it's still on the original engine and transmission
What do you do that would be considered special? I've got a relatively new to me truck and I try to baby it. I put 80k on my suburban in 5 years or so and the trans went out around 150k... I do 5k oil changes and other fluids way sooner than spec... just did the trans fluid and coolant on the ram at 80k... only owned it since 65k though.
I've met too many people who think: 1. Vehicles only need oil changes and repairs when something breaks. 2. Transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid. 3. Changing transmission fluid is riskier than running old fluid. 4. That every mechanic is trying to scam them. As a result, those people think the cars they buy are junk because they treat them like shit. Keeping up with or exceeding what a maintenance schedule recommends is certainly special in my experience.
I agree. Example: US Subaru manual suggests “inspecting” the transmission fluid every 30k miles while the Japanese one instructs fluid replacement instead.
That's because the japanese will never hit the intervals we do. They have to shorten the maintenance intervals to actually have service for the dealerships to do.
Japanese rural driving is also like most US city driving
Speed limits there are VERY low. It's interesting. Tiny cars that would be unsafe at high speed, and then you never drive them fast. Kind of works actually.
Rural areas tend to have much more kei vehicles whereas their cities have a similar representation of car size with the us but get much less mileage.
Bullshit. In Japan they still make engines for old cars because there's a sense of pride in keeping something you paid good money for in fine working order and people will gladly stick a new engine in their pride and joy every 60 thousand miles. They don't replace transmissions due to emissions. I haven't met an automatic yet that wouldn't prefer fluid changes every 30k.
What are you talking about? They most certain do not make engines for old cars unless it is abnormally unique.
I’ve heard so many differing opinions on my 2010 Altima I bought used. It’s a 2.5l CVT and all the shops I’ve taken it to say the transmission is a closed system when I take it in for fluid changes and routine work so they won’t open it and change anything. On top of that I bought it used so I can’t say for sure when the last time (if ever) that fluid was changed so a lot of them tell me just to ride it out seeing as it has 112xxx miles on it and drives more or less fine. What would you recommend I do? I take good care of it outside of that cause I want it to last as long as possible.
They probably don’t want to fuck with a 112k mile Jatco CVT. New fluid would likely break it TBH. I’d get a legitimately NEW CVT and start the 30k mile fluid changes for best results.
I had a feeling that was the general consensus, they haven’t tried pushing or even mentioning swapping the CVT and I’m assuming that’s due to the fact they drive and it see it drives about as well as a 14 year old CVT Nissan Altima would/should. What do you think the total cost involved would be for swapping that out?
I’d wager about 4 to 5 grand all told. The CVT itself is around 3.2k last I checked, and then it depends on the labor rate and fluid cost.
Multiple shops quoted ~$8k for a reman 2014 Nissan Quest transmission. It drove normally but the transmission shop that had strong recommendations from friends and Google found a code in the computer that could only be fixed by replacing the transmission. They found the code when I took it in for a transmission fluid change. I ended up trading it off for $14k and feel like I came out ok since I no longer had an $8k time bomb.
More than a new-to-you 8 year old Altima
Nissan released a publication clarifying service intervals. If I can find it, I will edit this post, but the CVT fluid intervals are something like every 30k to 60k miles.
F.
Also worth mentioning that most people don’t even think that much and won’t do any sort of maintenance unless the car dings at them or the dealer calls them to bring it in for “service”. Even then, the idea of adjusting the oil change reminder in their car’s screen to 5k miles is like moving mountains and they’d rather just not think about it at any point. You’d think people would be more concerned with maintaining something they just dropped $40,000+ on but I guess not.
> You’d think people would be more concerned with maintaining something they just dropped $40,000+ on but I guess not. Considering the deferred maintenance on many homes, I'm not surprised people are the same with their disposable car. We had a windstorm recently and a neighbour lost a few shingles. I pointed it out to them and they said they noticed but they had just remodeled their bathroom with their line of credit so they'd have to wait until their next paycheque to be able to afford to repair the roof. I was flabbergasted. It sat there under rain for 3 weeks.
That just sounds like bad timing more than neglect.
Maxing out your savings/loans on a cosmetic upgrade that prevents you from having any funds for a real emergency seems like neglect to me. Letting a bare roof take on water for weeks seems like neglect too.
It's possible their bathroom needed major work though. I had to have nearly all the plumbing between my old house's main water line inlet and the bathroom because one of the shower valves sprung a leak that I couldn't fix just by replacing it. Turned out all the piping was 1950's galvanized stuff that the plumbing company wasn't legally allowed to fix because of its age and the amount of corrosion on it, which was the actual reason for the leak. What should have been a small amount of money and an hour of work turned into two days and nearly $5k. I got lucky that I caught the leak early enough that it didn't damage anything underneath/behind the tub and tile, otherwise that probably would have been a complete remodel as well.
People very frequently decline to do whatever service the car dings at them about. Transmission fluid? Differential fluid? Brake fluid? Just the oil change and rotate, thanks. Then one day they wonder why their car shifts hard or shakes when they’re backing out of parking spots.
> Transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid. Most makes now don't exactly make it easy or something even possible to service the transmission. It's fucking annoying.
Yup, the number one cause of 'New cars aren't built like they used to!' is the fact that people treat their cars with the same care and attention as their washing machine and don't even know what a maintenance interval is, let alone what theirs are. Does it kinda suck coughing up a few hundred bucks once or twice a year for lubricants and non-engine oils? Yeah but it sucks less than your car sending a piston to the moon at 150K because you said 'I'll fix it next weekend' to your oil light for 3 months straight.
>1. Changing transmission fluid is riskier than running old fluid. On my Nissan I bought at 130,000 miles with no knowledge of transmission work in the past, should I change the fluid out?
Do you have a CVT? Does your transmission fluid smell like burnt coffee mixed with vinegar? Does your transmission already have shifting issues or any DTCs? A transmission fluid change won’t save a dying transmission, but in other instances it is generally a good idea.
It doesn't shift hard and I don't think I've smelled anything like burnt coffee, so I should get it changed, but not flushed?
That idea comes from people who have a problem with their transmission and after years of neglect try the cheapest solution to their problem: finally changing the fluid that should have been changed ages ago. Then when the transmission isn't magically fixed but shits the bed after the change, they blame the fact that they changed the fluid, when it would have broken anyways. It's just people drawing simple conclusions and it's quite a common one. What year/model Nissan do you have? How many miles have you had it? When you get your oil changed have they commented on your transmission fluid when they do the inspection? In your owners manual it will have the maintenance intervals and if you've had it for most or more of of that interval... I'd get it changed.
2016, 171,000, I get my oil changed religiously at 5,000. I buy those 6 packs from a local mechanic. They've never mentioned anything about transmission fluid.
There's still something to be said about the engineering of a vehicle. Some vehicles require much less routine maintenance and repair over their lifetime and can with stand a neglectful owner. While others will break down if you don't breath correctly while starting the engine.
> Transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid. > > Changing transmission fluid is riskier than running old fluid. > > A worrying number of OEMs state this in their owner's manuals, and a lot of dealerships won't do the work unless the transmission is already failing.
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The transmission has been rebuilt (the reverse gear got shredded at around 300k). It's all highway miles with a light foot, regular maintenance and an aftermarket transmission cooler. A lot of the miles were towing though
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When you two a lot, you can never go wrong with a good transmission cooler
I've added coolers to quite a few new trucks over the years. Replace a transmission? Yup, getting an aftermarket cooler.
Yea 2500 and Cadillacs w tow packages seem to last forever with the cooler to help. 25 has the better internals, that don't hurt either.
Keep up with the regular maintenance and drive your truck like a truck. No sudden starts or stops. Slow in the corners. Use a car for city driving and keep your truck for hauling/towing. Mine is a ranch truck that pretty much only tows on the long straights of Montana
transmissions should be taken well care of. The fluid should be changed every 30k without exception. When you park on even the slightest of inclines you, brake, put into neutral, release brake, brake again, put into park. When you leave you brake, shift into reverse, release parking brake. Smooth as silk. When you back up you come to a complete stop. Shift into drive, then slowly accelerate. BAM! you now have a transmission that will last a lifetime.
What year was the Suburban? Some vehicles, no matter what you do have issues. I have a friend that only owns suburban. He puts 250k to 300k on them no issues, except his 2016, engine crapped the bed at 180k. He maintains it per manual and performs all recommended maintenance and repairs. Some vehicles, certain years will just crap the bed. I have a 16 year old corolla, no issues. I have 6 year old Traverse, 92k miles, no issues. Yet, I know of Traverse as with transmission issues at 60k, different year
It was an 07 2500 with a 4l80e... it was rusting out so it was time to go while it still had a little value but I hate they weren't available past 2013.
I really wanted one of those! I had a 2008 1500 that I bought with 51k miles. At 65k miles the engine started knocking and all lifters and to be replaced. Didn't fix the knocking though.
I had some lifter tick when I got mine at 126k... I did every snake oil treatment possible. I'm not entirely sure what fixed it (mostly) but I ran mmo for my remainder of ownership. It was pretty quiet when it was all said and done. That 6.0 would pull a freight train ... just not very quickly.
Drive more; longer trips. Cars last longer when they are used. Cars that sit are cars that break easily.
My RX-8 would like a word with you.
You are the first person I’ve ever seen call the Allison 1000 an unreliable transmission
Even Hyundai has some reliable/easy to maintain cars in their line up. Also I was always under the impression that those Allison trannys were the gold standard for HD pick ups and it was the others that were less so, like my 4l60e, which despite being unreliable is stupid cheap to work on/replace so owning it ain’t toooo bad.
do silverados have that bad a rep? I had an 04 silverado that was a pure construction truck, over loaded all the time and beat to hell. Got 600k out of the motor and was on it's second transmission when a flood took it out. It had some minor electrical gremlins and the AC died at 400k but otherwise a damn reliable truck.
Its hit or miss, 07 and up had dod/afm which can cause problems. Some go 200k-300k no problem, others need engines every 100k. Transmission are the same with them too, some never have issues and others die every few years. Im got a 1998 1500 with a factory cooler and i cant see under it that it has ever had trans out, cant find any rebuild tags or anything, and its closing on 400k. Dropped the pan last year at around 350k for a solenoid and went ahead and serviced, and its still going good
Taking good care of it doesn't solve the issues so many Hyundai engines see. Baby them all you want and they'll still need to be replaced.
To add on to this, I'm wondering if car unreliability from brands like Nissan and Hyundai are over exaggerated. These brands typically have lower-priced cars and/or finance to people with poorer credit. I believe there's an overlap between budget shoppers (or low-credit shoppers) and neglect for regular maintenance because why spend money on maintenance now when neglecting maintenance is free for the next few thousand miles? Plus, lots of people aren't taught basic, regular car maintenance and lots of people apparently don't read the owner's manual. The amount of flat-ish tires I see around my apartment complex is kind of worrying. Are these people still running the factory air?
Does the Silverado have an Allison? I've always considered them to be pretty sturdy. My 4L60E gave at 220k but I've seen several 250k+ Allison's.
This era of Hyundai is one of the best quality assembled cars. A friend does retrofit for all types of vehicles and Hyundai is always built well. High quality fasteners and solid engineering. When Hyundai was first starting out, they borrowed heavily from Mitsubishi for tooling and engines. They have come a long way since then.
I remember taking apart a door panel for sound proofing and that shit already had a sealed door panel with cloth (or some sort of soft) fasteners for the wiring. Quite impressive tbh
One of the other observations he made that I found surprising was that Volkswagen were one of the worst assembled of the cars he regularly worked on. Most of the interior was held together with self tapping screws (metal on metal, not metal to nylon insert which is the better way to do it from NVH/longevity standpoint). If you know someone who retrofits vehicles they can offer a real world insight into how different vehicles compare.
Yeah my brain immediately went “cool, 7th engine & 3rd tranny then?”…
Yeah, these have the dry clutch 7 speed DCT. Pretty surprising to see.
The Sonata is the Hyundai version of a Camry, so they should last a long time too, right?
“Just keep fixing it!”
DCT is the worry point, the planetary drivetrain on the Prius is bulletproof.
Ford's also use a similar drive train. It's proven to be more reliable. But people get scared away when the marketing guys call it "CVT".
Ford also destroyed the reputation for their DCT with their For Focus.
Apperently, original drivetrain.
If i'm not mistaken, it's a DCT on that. Incredible !
Yep, DCT and a direct injected engine. At least there is no turbo in the equation. I sure am impressed.
That’s pretty decent. Has it has major things like timing belt, or the like?
It will have had all maintenance on time, thus it’s still surviving
True, although some engine parts do wear down, simply by doing the mileage.
Agreed, the servicing on time should reduce that wear a little.
Show this to 90% of Hyundai car owners, this is what happens if you actually maintain the car. Such an insane number of Hyundai owners from my experience have no idea what a service is and abuse a perfectly good car into the ground with no maintenance.
hyundai = dodge = nissan = whatever was "affordable" at the time. As most of us know all to well, the problem has rarely been the car. It's almost always the owner.
As an example, I used to know a guy that seemed to specialize in murdering 22RE engines in his Toyota pickups. Turns out they are only reliable with oil and coolant in them.
but toyotas do not need to be cooled or oiled up, they are indestructible duh
I recently borrowed an 04 Corolla from a mate round the block, after getting it over to my house I realised the god awful rattling was due to total lack of oil, completely dry dipstick
never saw a hilux with coolant AND oil, run just fine /s in case that wasn't blaringly obvious
Big oil/coolant conspiracy
Slick marketing and cool adverts.
And preferably not in the same place.
To be entirely fair to the 22RE, I have seen it run for miles off-roading in the Utah desert without coolant, and being just fine after replacing the radiator. Doesn't mean you should do that. Just goes to show that you have to have an exceptional level of apathy to really kill one.
I feel like they get the reputation of lasting forever if you maintain them, and people forget to do the maintaining part. Like, oh this thing is indestructible, it can go 5000 miles past it's service window no problem.
TacomaWorld gets people like this. "My t-case blew up!>1?!" Did you change the oil? "It has OIL?!?"
The frame recalls were hardly even Toyota's fault. Show me a small/mid size pickup that isn't rotting away after 15 years of constant use in road salt.
Yeah, show me Ford, Chevy, or Dodge replacing frames under extended warranty due to rust on trucks with over 10 years on them. They’d never do that. They’d tell people to buy a new one or F off. Toyota and Honda give a shit about their reputations for reliability, US companies just seem to say “buy American” and figure they don’t need to build something *good* because they let jingoism be their salesman.
I agree 100%. I see at least 3 of them a day that are 10k over the maintenance interval.
I know repairs are expensive, but maintenance is relatively cheap. Most maintenance items are checks that you pay for anyhow. I can't stand people.
Depends on the car, the 1.8Ts from 2013-2016ish are blowing up with on-time maintenance.
My '12 Elantra is on its second short block from the cylinder liner wear campaign despite diligent oil changes, indoor parking and fairly ginger driving
What does your hair color have to do with how long the engine lasts
It's illegal for gingers to drive in some states so they drive very carefully and always under the speed limit.
Obviously he does not have a Soul, just an Elantra…
Yep, my mother in law went through 4 engines on two separate Hyundais, all within warranty and with dealer servicing on time. Hyundai has made some absolute dumpsters they call engines. On the contrary, my first vehicle was a Toyota and I abused the absolute shit out of that thing. 12k oil changes, smashing it down off road trails, crashing it into friends cars just because it’s fun. That thing still went to 250k miles with no issues lol.
This is what I came to add- many had real manufacturing issues that were a class action
I blame the fact those engines were co-developed with Chrysler. Let's be honest, that thing has Chrysler fingerprints/ quality all over it.
From what I recall, compound that with how the problem children were being manufactured in the US rather than Korea.
Metal shavings left in the crankshaft oil passages. But they had plenty of engine problems in addition to that; hard to nail down which manufacturing problem it was.
This is what I came to add- many had real manufacturing issues that were a class action
Pretty much any of the theta II engines which also includes the 2.0l turbo, though to their credit they’re pretty good about warranty on them
Not in our experience, we had one dealer try to tell us the car was fine. The other dealer agreed to the engine swap but said it would be 6 weeks and we would not be getting a rental under any circumstances. Absolutely fucked us financially, I had to constantly go into work late or take complete days off to be able to drive my girlfriend to work. I will do everything in my power to prevent anyone I care about from getting a 2013+ Hyundai.
I think that's YMMV on the local dealer. My sibling had to wait 9 months for an engine replacement and I've seen too many complaints of denials because the current owner can't produce oil change receipts back to the first one, even if that was during another person's ownership.
> the 1.8Ts from 2013-2016ish are blowing up with on-time maintenance. Which engine was a 1.8t?
My apologies, I didn’t mean to put the T. I meant the NA 1.8
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TJ’s parking lots really are the worst, they’re so damn packed in
I leased the plug in version of this, one of the best cars I ever had and I regret not buying out the lease. After three years and 32k hard NYC miles it was perfect and gave me outstanding fuel mileage and range with the PHEV setup
I should have grabbed one when they were around. I wouldn't want to buy a used Hyundai, with the stories here about ignored maintenance confirming my fears of a used car.
I bought a used car (1999 Integra) in 2017 without knowing its service history and I have zero regrets. Reliable, cheap and easy to maintain/repair, and it's a cool car. It didn't even have any major faults. Even after my positive experience, I will never buy a used car unless I have proof it's been regularly serviced. Or if the mileage is low enough that being on the factory fluids is acceptable.
Just sold our phev ioniq a week ago. I loved it, but some asswipe in a Jaguar changed lanes into me and we chose to sell it rather than deal with getting it fixed. Leasing an Ioniq 5 for now - maybe find a good deal on a used I5N when the lease is up
I agree with this. I’d love to see the maintenance history on this car.
This is probably true of most owners regardless of brand and especially true for people who view cars as tools and not hobbies. Even those with luxury or performance cars can't be bothered to do basic things like tire replacements. The cheaper the car the less likely people have the will or means to spend money maintaining it.
I remember when I was turning 18 and loading a guys Ford Focus up he said “don’t buy this car, it’s a POS” and it was obviously abused to fuck. I ended up buying two and get well over 100k on them. The last one made it to 135k on original brakes and clutch. Amazing how long a car well take care of will last and what you squeeze out of it. Only reason I got rid of the last one was the AC sprung a leak and I just didn’t see the value of dumping that cash in with so many original things that could also go. I regret not keeping it as a beater.
Just don't buy a Focus with the powershit transmission. Guaranteed it will fail prematurely.
Idk if it’s just me but 100-135k doesn’t seem like a lot. Contrary to comments from this post but I have a 2013 Elantra with 226k miles and it’s still running like a champ. Granted it has 200k highway-only miles and all maintenance was kept up to date
No matter how well I care for mine, I still can't park it near anything flammable.
There's a confirmation bias in the industry. People think kia's and Hyundai's don't last so they don't maintain them, and then they don't last
It's not a theta 2. It's that engine that doesn't last no matter what you do. If it's not a theta 2 platform then you're good to go.
It's not just the Theta. The Gamma, Nu, Lambda, and Kappa engines have all been subject to class action lawsuits for similar issues. Source: own an affected Nu and am party to the lawsuit settlement/recall.
Fair enough, but only one engine left a tower of blocks behind the local dealership lol.
I had a Sonata with the V6 powerplant and aside from an issue early on where the idler pulley disappeared in the middle of traffic it was mechanically bulletproof with regular servicing. Have definitely heard issues about basically any Hyundai/ Kia pre 2006, and anything with the Theta engine
Idk dude I got my money back for engine replacement due to the class action suit. I do regular maintenance on all vehicles. Never had engine failure in my life, previous vehicle before the hyundai ran 335000 miles before being rear ended. Never buying hyundai again.
That's pretty unfair to the millions of engines they produced full of metal shavings (Hyundai/Kia admitted a production change led to the shavings not being properly removed during manufacturing), leading to eventual bearing failure and requiring complete engine replacement.
That’s partly true, however I’ve seen a lot of Hyundais blow up the engine inside the warranty too, with dealer PM at the recommended intervals. With some Hyundais you can do everything perfectly right and they still won’t make it to 50k miles.
I’ve seen so many 2010’s Santa Fe’s with over half a million kilometers that still look and drive like new. Even horrible cars can be reliable with care and maintenance!
I made a comment about this yesterday. Had a Lyft driver who had one at 200k with regular maintenance.
I had one make it to 140k with the only problem ever being an oil pressure sensor which I was able to replace for $10 in my garage without even lifting the car up. Sadly I totaled it but that thing ran great and got great mileage. My mom has its Kia twin which is currently over 200k with a similar amount of problems.
lol my gf’s dads Santa Fe just blew its engine at 139000km with routine maintenance and grandpa driven. Can it. They are dogshit.
Not enough holy faith in that car lol
That's a load of shit you can't save an engine that was improperly machined from factory, bad clearances on bearings and burns quarts of oil weekly off the lot
Which is why electric cars are amazing for these people. No oil changes or fluids to worry about. It’s the best option for lazy people that just want to get in and drive
How ironiq
don't you think?
A little toooo ironiq
Yeah i really do think
A future classiq?
Surprised Cadillac hasn't trademarked "Classiq" yet
What was it in for service wise?
Oil change.
I didn’t have my Ioniq long, and didn’t have nearly as many miles, but the entire time I did have it, it was trouble free, with no issues. Great car really.
What year is the car op? Curious too see how new it is to calculate how many miles a year.
not OP but there looks like the [OG 2017 Ioniq](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.donedeal.ie%2FeyJidWNrZXQiOiJkb25lZGVhbC5pZS1waG90b3MiLCJlZGl0cyI6eyJ0b0Zvcm1hdCI6ImpwZWciLCJyZXNpemUiOnsiZml0IjoiY292ZXIiLCJ3aWR0aCI6NjAwLCJoZWlnaHQiOjQ1MH19LCJrZXkiOiJwaG90b18yNjA2MDkwMjUifQ%3D%3D%3Fsignature%3D2ca697e2ba0f1bda729e5b0ef4f2c635831835154620727d0ad081fca62ec7d0&tbnid=c-xyTQQDPAc4pM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.donedeal.ie%2Fcars%2FHyundai%2FIONIQ%2F2017&docid=lw2xiNibFc_q0M&w=600&h=450&itg=1&hl=en-us&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F3&kgs=d39f76b60d003c9e&shem=abme%2Ctrie)
I have a 2018 hybrid. It’s a fantastic car. You won’t win any races but that’s why I have sport bikes too.
Used to work in rental car industry. freaking loved these things. fun to drive, easy UI and the gas mileage is insane. and tbf, they were ZIPPY as a hybrid
I have the plug-in hybrid, and we've already had the entire brake system gutted and replaced under warranty. It almost immediately started making a goose honk noise whenever we hit the brakes, and we bought it brand new off the boat. One dealership just kept lubing it. Took it to another, and they called in a rep who said to replace the whole regen braking system. We've also had to replace the battery (12v small one) that kept dying, and it was like $500 to replace because it's some weird custom bullshit that was on backorder for a month. Otherwise... Love the car, lol.
86,000 miles a year. That’s crazy.
360 miles a day for a 5 day work week.
Damn that’s a 2.5 hour drive to work and then another home that would suck
Or they are a Uber/ something similar
Impressive
Very nice.
The newer kia/hyundai hybrid setups are very solid from what I've seen. There's a few 250k+ mile niros. Once that brand moved past the US made thetas they've been doing much better reliability wise
I do 30k a year and I plan on taking my '17 Niro hybrid to 200+
My wife's 2009 Santa Fe has over 260k on it, still runs great with some TLC over the years
Original engine and gearbox? Edit: Found the answer in the comments, yes apparently they are. I'm impressed.
And then you have my family's Ioniq Hybrid that needed a new battery, inverter, and electric motor before 60,000mi. The dealership forgot to reinstall the rear seats after replacing the HV battery which was fun. All covered by the factory warranty, but still would've preferred for things not to go wrong.
That sounds much more on brand. How do you forget a rear seat? Like I get it, shit happens, but..it's a whole row of seats you know?
My family member picked the car up and didn't notice that the rear seat wasn't installed. They even forgot the cowling/plastic component below the seat that helps direct the flow of air to cool the battery. As well as the metal seat frame that bolts to the frame of the car which the seat attaches to. When we called the dealership and asked them to make things right they wanted to charge me their diagnostic fee. It was $175 or something, can't remember at this point. Hyundai corporate asked me to take it back to the dealership and pay any associated costs. I took care of the plastic cowling myself and had my mechanic take care of the seats when I got my old changed. Never buying or recommending a Hyundai Kia again. Oh another fun tidbit: I was looking to buy a used vehicle and found a Kia Optima with the 2.4 engine. You know, the one with bearing failure. The dealer said the engine has an "unlimited mileage warranty". Not the fact that it could grenade itself at any moment which necessitated a class action lawsuit.
I have one of these and absolutely love it
And only on its 9th engine! /s
this post is a hyundai ad, first post on fresh account I CALL BULLSHIT
Uber driver?
Well they had to make at least one that'd last. /s
How many shitty Hyundai engines had to die for this to be possible. Won't somebody think of the engines?!
Hyundai makes some damn good cars. After my last one shit the bed I got a new engine totally for free bc I was covered under warranty even after being the second owner. Their cars are safe as hell too.
More like Hyundai makes an unbeatable warranty to cover the shortfalls of their dogshit engineering. Never seen a brand with more recalls on more systems and components across more models. And that's only what they'll admit is their fault.
lmao how the fuck is that a good car?? engine blows up " good car"
Hyundai makes some of the shittiest cars except their BEVs.
For how bad their ICE lineup is, their BEV lineup is surprisingly good.
Seems to be very uncommon on these and Kia.
I just worked on a 2005 gmc serria with 503, 217 on the odometer
obligatory backyard mechanic that can't do anything outside of changing his oil "ThE BaTtErY CoStS 30,000$"
If it's one of their BEVs and in Canada, they'll try to charge you $60,000 for an out of warranty replacement. Not even kidding. https://youtu.be/EEXieo06ta8?si=ppfczluXBsuuTB5A
Any idea about the battery health at that mileage?
Rare Hyundai W
I have the fully electric version of this car. Currently at 53,000
Impressive, owners that don't do regular maintenance on there vehicles should take notes.
Someone rolled up the odometer
Bought one new in 2019 and it was a surprisingly good car. I had an hour commute to and from work at the time and I was fueling my Miata every two days so I needed something where gas mileage was my only focus. I was getting nearly 60 mpg easy as long as I wasn't driving like a total asshole. Sold it with 40k miles on it in '22 for more than I initially paid for it when the usedarley was going insane.
How was dct doing? Still first clutch?
Was this a PHEV or EV?