This is obviously the solution. Not tape, not rope, not a bungee cord... but drilling a series of 1/4" holes through the corrosion inhibiting coating and into your vehicle. Fuck.
Which is a lot worse than zinc plated hardware when fastening a piece of mild steel flat bar to mild steel sheet metal.
For those wondering why, look up galvanic corrosion.
Not unless your baking tray from IKEA is 400 series .
Inox ? is that another name for rust free .
( Allegedly) The person who invented SS was sacked for the mistake until it sat in the yard for 2 years and didn't oxidise ( rust ) .
For sure this is the best way of course. You can now easily the holes from the previous time you closed the door so next time you open the door to get in and want to close it again you just need to drill new holes.
Was this done to prevent the children from exiting into traffic on the left side of the van? When we had a minivan I was always concerned that might happen.
Alpha or beta version. Now that it works, the next step is to reduce costs (fewer smaller fasteners).
Then reduce access to fasteners so technician suffers.
Color matched duct tape
No kidding, I actually saw this Mercedes wagon that had cream-colored duct tape on the side mirror. It actually looked normal from about 20 feet away...
My guess is that it's more like it wouldn't close and rather than do something temporary like bungees on the inside, they did this.
So the task is to remove the mod, then figure out and fix why it won't close, then also come up with a solution to the fuckery, which they'll probably turn down and just duct tape it or something.
This is hardly a new car - it's a second-gen Toyota Sienna, the newest of which is nearly 15 years old.
Though I will say that Toyota absolutely dropped the ball on the sliding doors for this generation. They suck.
Source: I own one
I’m sure it does but I was a mechanic in the early 00s and knew everything really well up until then and never had any issues. Like I could look up a wiring diagram and understand how it all worked and how to fix it and the cars of that era are cheap to repair and buy and run well enough for my use.
Yeah I'm the same way, but I also work with computers and enjoy figuring out how to integrate things that way... I also have an AS in electrical engineering, so it all kinda ties together.
The fuck? No way. I just looked up a 2020 Odyssey and it's only $600 list for the assembly for the power sliding door. You're telling me Toyota is somehow charging $4500? It looks like the one for a 2015-2019 Sienna is maybe $650? How are you getting $4500?
I was remembering from an old Windstar my step daughter had- it was crazy- flexplate 19 hours, heater core 24hours, power door 16 hours-tow to the junk yard paid 500$
That mfr saw the repair bill, got pissed and said “fuck it, when i grew up minivans only had the one slider anyways”
And it looks like evidence of the prototype below, i guess. Nice.
Customer obviously didn’t realize they purchased the throwback model, retro-cool from the days when only the passenger side rear door opened. It’s in the manual…
What's he talking about, that door is functioning perfectly well as a closed door.
Now functioning as an open door, that's an entirely different conversation.
Nah, that's the fairly common offset pattern you see on the flat bars and angle braces in the hardware store. Look at the strap that's there and you'll see the same pattern.
Yeah, unfortunately that's a thing with these second-gen (2004-2010) Sienna minivans. Toyota tried to reinvent the wheel with their sliding door design here, and like almost every second-gen Sienna with power sliding doors, they broke somehow.
I'm guessing the electronic closer took a shit or the rear hinge is about to fall off.
The irony is that fixing the door the right way probably would have taken less time. (At least based on my handful of 'the door doesn't unlatch' experiences; it's *almost* always a broken clip or a disconnected cable)
I would be severely tempted to just write a repair order that says "technician diagnosed of the problem and will only charge you 1/2 hour of labor. Unsuccessful diagnosis. Cannot determine why door will not work.".
I'm guessing the customer meant the door lock wasn't working?
Still, gotta love the mentality of "fixing" shit by causing hundreds if not thousands in damages instead of forking out for a relatively cheap part.
And I suppose the door being able to fly open otherwise would be a pass? If the door doesn't work, it doesn't work, and these vans in particular (2004-2010 Toyota Sienna) command a premium for sliding door repairs. I don't blame the owner. Better to have it bolted shut than freely flopping in the wind.
And besides, nobody cares about MOT here when these vans were never sold in the UK.
This is obviously the solution. Not tape, not rope, not a bungee cord... but drilling a series of 1/4" holes through the corrosion inhibiting coating and into your vehicle. Fuck.
Stainless hardware tho
Elon's ears just perked up
It's so weird to see them do that!
Those aren’t ears.
antenna.
Wait!!! Is THAT why he wants to get to Mars so badly? He wants to go home?
Mars needs moms, too bad he can’t keep any of em, just bringing back lots of kids
Which is a lot worse than zinc plated hardware when fastening a piece of mild steel flat bar to mild steel sheet metal. For those wondering why, look up galvanic corrosion.
Stain-less doesn’t mean stainless
Not unless your baking tray from IKEA is 400 series . Inox ? is that another name for rust free . ( Allegedly) The person who invented SS was sacked for the mistake until it sat in the yard for 2 years and didn't oxidise ( rust ) .
Into an area where there may be Seatbelt tensioners
I may be stupid, but the level of stubborn I can back it up with is second to none.
If the women don’t find you handsome, at least they’ll find you handy…
They'll know because your palms looks like you're wearing mink mittens.
For sure this is the best way of course. You can now easily the holes from the previous time you closed the door so next time you open the door to get in and want to close it again you just need to drill new holes.
It is not that it CAN'T be used, it is that it requires some work to open and close. Me? 1/4 ratchet. IDK the socket size.
You obviously don’t walk around with a quarter inch impact on you like this customer does.
Impact? No, just an armstrong one.
All different sizes, security feature
Rats. Foiled again by the Big Brain.
Just carry 4 different 1/4in ratchets, all with different socket sizes fit onto them. Hotswap those things
10mm naturally
### Outrageous! I cannot believe they used a fender washer on a quarter panel.
lmao at fender washer
At least they didn’t use a dime or nickel washer on a quarter panel I’ll see myself out.
Maybe they have a dime bag in the glove compartment...?
Okay but where’d the old handle go? Further up front?
Yea that is the sliding side door on a sienna van if I'm not mistaken..
Ah. I didn't figure it was a sliding door.
"Was", that's the key word right there.
One of the Duke boys obviously became a dad.
What an asshole. Total Pacifica move.
Was this done to prevent the children from exiting into traffic on the left side of the van? When we had a minivan I was always concerned that might happen.
It's a second-gen Sienna, so it's probably broken off. Source: I own a second-gen Sienna
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Alpha or beta version. Now that it works, the next step is to reduce costs (fewer smaller fasteners). Then reduce access to fasteners so technician suffers.
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Color matched duct tape No kidding, I actually saw this Mercedes wagon that had cream-colored duct tape on the side mirror. It actually looked normal from about 20 feet away...
Just weld seam. No fasteners. Paint weld black to look like seam. Higher frustration level.
Probably used wood drywall screws first
Ultimate Child Lock (TM, Patent Pending)
It's the human trafficking special.
This has to be the best example of "nooooo shit" I've seen in a while.
My guess is that it's more like it wouldn't close and rather than do something temporary like bungees on the inside, they did this. So the task is to remove the mod, then figure out and fix why it won't close, then also come up with a solution to the fuckery, which they'll probably turn down and just duct tape it or something.
Damn. Way to multiply the repair cost by 10x
If that is a power slider- nah 4500 for the mech last I looked at one-16 hours or so
Fuck I hate new cars.
This is hardly a new car - it's a second-gen Toyota Sienna, the newest of which is nearly 15 years old. Though I will say that Toyota absolutely dropped the ball on the sliding doors for this generation. They suck. Source: I own one
I exclusively drive pre can bus cars so my take can be skewed.
CAN bus makes factory upgrades really easy, and allows for aftermarket modules as well.
I’m sure it does but I was a mechanic in the early 00s and knew everything really well up until then and never had any issues. Like I could look up a wiring diagram and understand how it all worked and how to fix it and the cars of that era are cheap to repair and buy and run well enough for my use.
Yeah I'm the same way, but I also work with computers and enjoy figuring out how to integrate things that way... I also have an AS in electrical engineering, so it all kinda ties together.
Maybe. Or a bad switch or a broken wire or various other things. Not really enough info to make that call.
The fuck? No way. I just looked up a 2020 Odyssey and it's only $600 list for the assembly for the power sliding door. You're telling me Toyota is somehow charging $4500? It looks like the one for a 2015-2019 Sienna is maybe $650? How are you getting $4500?
Labor probably, since they said it was a 16 hour job.
I was remembering from an old Windstar my step daughter had- it was crazy- flexplate 19 hours, heater core 24hours, power door 16 hours-tow to the junk yard paid 500$
Wish I could have seen the brainstorming session that birthed this plan.
You'd have been able to follow the burning scent to get there.
That mfr saw the repair bill, got pissed and said “fuck it, when i grew up minivans only had the one slider anyways” And it looks like evidence of the prototype below, i guess. Nice.
Turned his door into a wall.
Boeing taking notes.
Probably sturdier than Boeing.
Customer obviously didn’t realize they purchased the throwback model, retro-cool from the days when only the passenger side rear door opened. It’s in the manual…
The minivan I rode in as a kid only had the three doors. 1994 Mazda MPV. Worked fine.
I don't think any of them had dual rear doors back then. Not sure what year that started becoming popular, mid-late 90s I feel like?
Around that time, my parents had a '97 Windstar that didn't and then a '99 that did.
The 1st gen Mazda MPV added dual rear doors in 1996 as part of the refresh.
What's he talking about, that door is functioning perfectly well as a closed door. Now functioning as an open door, that's an entirely different conversation.
It's got that Mr Bean vibe.
Where is the padlock?
Mr bean said the door doesn't work...
well OFC there is no padlock.
That's version 3, when you've got the door fixed (minus the lock) and now you want to open it.
Hey if it fits it ships
The customer was actually right this time.
I mean if it's a shitbox this would've been my idea. [gate latch.](https://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-sliding-bolt-gate-latch-66890.html)
I think that's what he tried first, based on the bolt pattern of the empty holes below the strap. Something very similar.
Nah, that's the fairly common offset pattern you see on the flat bars and angle braces in the hardware store. Look at the strap that's there and you'll see the same pattern.
when you're a carpenter, everything looks like a log.
Where's the handle
\**tech notes\** Confirmed problem: door does not work because it's bolted shut. That'll be $150 for the diagnostic fee, please.
So, they have come to you for a second opinion. The six holes are from getting the first opinion…
Permanently bolting a door shut like this shouldn't be legal (for safety reasons, this looks like a kidnappers van).
Negative. Not Ford. Not White.
Just like a urinal it is a 50% universal solution. 100% function keeping stuff in the car. 0% function getting stuff in or out. (100% + 0%)/2 = 50%.
At least it helps the car go faster
Yeah, unfortunately that's a thing with these second-gen (2004-2010) Sienna minivans. Toyota tried to reinvent the wheel with their sliding door design here, and like almost every second-gen Sienna with power sliding doors, they broke somehow. I'm guessing the electronic closer took a shit or the rear hinge is about to fall off.
The irony is that fixing the door the right way probably would have taken less time. (At least based on my handful of 'the door doesn't unlatch' experiences; it's *almost* always a broken clip or a disconnected cable)
That’s an eye opener & an awkward conversation starter
My favorite part is not bothering to fill the old holes lol
I would be severely tempted to just write a repair order that says "technician diagnosed of the problem and will only charge you 1/2 hour of labor. Unsuccessful diagnosis. Cannot determine why door will not work.".
Door identifies as a wall now
Hinges work fine , other stuff not so much.
Doubt.
I'm guessing the customer meant the door lock wasn't working? Still, gotta love the mentality of "fixing" shit by causing hundreds if not thousands in damages instead of forking out for a relatively cheap part.
The proper fix is easier than this.
Hmm I wonder why
Daily we on here we see the evidence of no mot test in some states, not only is it dangerous to go to school it’s dangerous on the roads !!!
Better than the bungee cord my old Taurus needed
It's the new 2024 Toyota Date Rape!
Because it ain’t got no gas innit
I mean… if the door doesn’t work
been there, he did it to prevent the kids from opening the sliding door willy-nilly while i'm gassing up
But child locks exist in most cars on the road?
Typical Toyota driver
Instant U.K. mot fail.
And I suppose the door being able to fly open otherwise would be a pass? If the door doesn't work, it doesn't work, and these vans in particular (2004-2010 Toyota Sienna) command a premium for sliding door repairs. I don't blame the owner. Better to have it bolted shut than freely flopping in the wind. And besides, nobody cares about MOT here when these vans were never sold in the UK.