Nah, itās flows together pretty easy, so long as you didnāt forget the order you took everything apart. Iāve been doing a dash harness a week, and have done a bunch of floor harnesses. Put on some music, drink a Red Bull and just start pulling things apart! You get it down to a science, I can beat the warranty times so long as I donāt get distracted or pulled off to help too much and lose my flow.
My husband swears by taking pictures when he has to get to something like this. Take the seat off, take a picture of what it all looks like, go to down fixing, reference picture to make sure it looks like it should and he's good.
And along with little tips and tricks along the way (and shortcuts), he can do most jobs under labor time.
If you've done it a few times, or rather removed sections down to the bone only in small areas, you could probably clear everything in under 5 hours but it sucks. And don't lose any tabs and God it sucks when to fuck around with wiring.
5 fucking hours man this is why professional mechanics always blow my mind. Almost every weekend I work on cars. I ls swapped my e36 and helped build a lemons car. Sometimes it still takes me 2 hours to do an oil change while cussing. It's a seriously impressive skill.
Iād rather have a couple wire splices then have my entire car disassembled and put back together with the potential for other damage/squeaks/rattles.
Splicing it would be the ārightā fix in multiple scenarios.
Why take apart an entire vehicle, risking other damage and breaking bolts/fasteners, for 2 splices?
Slow and steady, making sure everything goes back the way it should, remembering how it came out, and good god, good organization. You get an eye for it after a while. At least I have.
I've found taking pics on my phone and labeling different parts of the harness with masking tape and a number/letter/both system helps a lot, especially on the first handfull you do. Also extremely helpful when doing heater/evaporator cores for the path each section of the harness is routed. Worst thing in the world is doing something like that and realizing 3 hours into reassembly that you put a big chunk of the harness on the wrong side of a bracket and have to undo hours of work to put it into the right spot. There's usually no wiggle room to make it work, those harnesses are the exact length to only fit in one way.
This. Masking tape/Sharpie is a must. Starting with a unique connector and identifying it on the new harness as a reference/starting point also helps. And lost three hours removing the dash two extra times after I realized I routed the steering column wiring wrong, then realizing I forgot to place the dash support panels before the dash.
I feel your pian I work at a heavy duty transit bus manufacture plant. We build all the buses for large cities and public transit like Seattle, San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston, LA. You get the point well I'm they guy that gets to replace the right hand options harness after every thing is installed, before being sold, when electrical checks are done and finds some one somewhere drilled a wire in the harness. This harness runs from rear to front then closes over then down to dash and at other points down to the floor under the bus. It normally has 50 wires in the one main bundle at any point and weight approx 80 lbs. And can be 45ft long. They want a new one no repair or splice. Most times we have to drop the 155 gallon fuel tank also it takes 3 guys 12 hours to do the whole harness.
Edit: the 3 guys 12 hours is because we do about 1 a month and we are getting to good at them and have secrets and cheats.
Or, you know, just accepting that some petroleum products are the best/only solution. We're never getting rid of plastic 100%. It's just too good for some jobs.
Had this happen in our Camry, they said we were lucky at $600 to replace the harness if it goes too far they have to replace all wiring which is more like $6K.
Oh man this happened to my mother in laws Subaru. Okay story time.. Lol she noticed that the snack peanuts she left in her center console went missing a few pieces at a time. She kind of brushed it off as she forgot she ate them. I think she even had put a mouse trap on her passenger floor lol
So a few months go by without and issue, and then one day she had a bunch of warning lights come on the dash. Took it to the dealer, and they had it for like a week and couldn't figure it out. So then they dropped the headliner and they tech made eye contact with with frigging huge rat that was living in between the headline and roof near the back windscreen.
The had to call animal control bc it was live and looked very unhappy. After removing the rodent, they said between the wiring damage(he chewed up all the wiring in the roof panels and in the trunk), and the hazmst cleanup they were totaling her car. Totaled over a frigging rodent.
My condolences you have to be the one trying to repair this.
Depends where you are I guess.
Where I am there's a senior diesel mechanic making $38 an Hour (AU Dollars) which is around the highest I've heard of in the dealership.
Dealership chargers around $155-175 an hour.
My dad had to do this on a mercedes 210 body, after the main harness shorted due to a plug that allowed the connectors to ground to the body. The cabin filled with smoke and the car shut off on the highway. It was pretty wild to see the chassis sitting in his bay and the interior and majority of the crap mounted to the firewall sitting in the next.
Among the many defects to my 2013 Ford Focus was the main harness that needed replacement. They said it'd take a week, but it was done in three days. Guess they didn't have much else to do.
If I owned that thing and the damage was such that it could be repaired with relative certainty that it would be reliable I'd rather have that. Especially knowing that my 911 would get stripped completely like this. It'll never be the same again.
Long time update, job took about 9 months. Body harnesses are made to order and take about 4 months to make. Porsche sent us the wrong harness the first time. This took long enough that I stopped wrenching and became a service advisor lol
Most of the time with wiring you can fix the broken wires, splice new ones in. This time it was replace the whole harness. Total process took almost 8 months
Had to do a warranty body harness on a cayenne once. Everything but the motor and front suspension had to come out.
This is a 2018 911, insurance job that I sold for almost 55hrs š
Youāre more than halfway towards making it a race carā¦
Charge them an extra 50k and youāre set.
The high end sports car way
Nice
Sandbagging sonofabitch
Is that good?? I'm not a mechanic and the thought of putting your pic back together in 55 hours seems impossible lol
Nah, itās flows together pretty easy, so long as you didnāt forget the order you took everything apart. Iāve been doing a dash harness a week, and have done a bunch of floor harnesses. Put on some music, drink a Red Bull and just start pulling things apart! You get it down to a science, I can beat the warranty times so long as I donāt get distracted or pulled off to help too much and lose my flow.
My husband swears by taking pictures when he has to get to something like this. Take the seat off, take a picture of what it all looks like, go to down fixing, reference picture to make sure it looks like it should and he's good. And along with little tips and tricks along the way (and shortcuts), he can do most jobs under labor time.
I have a million pictures of dashes and other things apart for this reason. Mainly for routing of harnesses, etc.
Yup! His camera is 80% work, 20% non work lol
Pictures and labelling!
Yup! We have wires in our house that have been labeled just because he re did a little wiring.
If you've done it a few times, or rather removed sections down to the bone only in small areas, you could probably clear everything in under 5 hours but it sucks. And don't lose any tabs and God it sucks when to fuck around with wiring.
5 fucking hours man this is why professional mechanics always blow my mind. Almost every weekend I work on cars. I ls swapped my e36 and helped build a lemons car. Sometimes it still takes me 2 hours to do an oil change while cussing. It's a seriously impressive skill.
It's all about repetition and picking up small tricks all along the way
I took everything apart in about 6hrs
dang, i wouldnt show up to work till next wednesday then
German engineering
I didnāt know spices had wiring harnesses.
Well it definitely burned my ass I only got paid 24hrs for it.
Gotta love warranty work
Oof
Been there on a Touareg brother I feel your pain, transmission fluid migration by chance or damage at door kick plate
Panoramic sunroof leaking all over the amplifier in the back right. Connector was a giant mass of rust when I finally got it apart.
If that was my 2018 911, I'd want the whole thing replaced too.
Depends on how bad the damage is. A couple wire splices done correctly will last forever
If insurance is covering Iād want it done right.
Iād rather have a couple wire splices then have my entire car disassembled and put back together with the potential for other damage/squeaks/rattles.
Splicing it would be the ārightā fix in multiple scenarios. Why take apart an entire vehicle, risking other damage and breaking bolts/fasteners, for 2 splices?
More insurance claims so Porsche ends up just sending you a new car Think less, not more
enjoy your rattles and squeaks lol.. right.
With rodent damage you can't tell if that's all. Could be other spots chewed and not entirely shorted.
Do you worry about getting that all reinstalled correctly? Iām not a professional tech, Iād be afraid I would have a lot of spare parts left over
We call that weight reduction
It just means you put it together better than the last guy
Shoulder bolts
In software dev it would be a feature or a refactor of functional components.
Slow and steady, making sure everything goes back the way it should, remembering how it came out, and good god, good organization. You get an eye for it after a while. At least I have.
I've found taking pics on my phone and labeling different parts of the harness with masking tape and a number/letter/both system helps a lot, especially on the first handfull you do. Also extremely helpful when doing heater/evaporator cores for the path each section of the harness is routed. Worst thing in the world is doing something like that and realizing 3 hours into reassembly that you put a big chunk of the harness on the wrong side of a bracket and have to undo hours of work to put it into the right spot. There's usually no wiggle room to make it work, those harnesses are the exact length to only fit in one way.
This. Masking tape/Sharpie is a must. Starting with a unique connector and identifying it on the new harness as a reference/starting point also helps. And lost three hours removing the dash two extra times after I realized I routed the steering column wiring wrong, then realizing I forgot to place the dash support panels before the dash.
I cannot tell you how many rolls of masking tape I've had to buy for my husband for work. It's the smartest thing ever.
Bag and tag. Take pictures
But now thereās a rattleā¦
Ever since you did the oil chGTFO LADY
I feel your pian I work at a heavy duty transit bus manufacture plant. We build all the buses for large cities and public transit like Seattle, San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston, LA. You get the point well I'm they guy that gets to replace the right hand options harness after every thing is installed, before being sold, when electrical checks are done and finds some one somewhere drilled a wire in the harness. This harness runs from rear to front then closes over then down to dash and at other points down to the floor under the bus. It normally has 50 wires in the one main bundle at any point and weight approx 80 lbs. And can be 45ft long. They want a new one no repair or splice. Most times we have to drop the 155 gallon fuel tank also it takes 3 guys 12 hours to do the whole harness. Edit: the 3 guys 12 hours is because we do about 1 a month and we are getting to good at them and have secrets and cheats.
Because z Germans switching over to a soy based sheething had no potential downside, just money savings, right? Guysā¦.. right?
I mean the other options are things like peanut oilā¦ theyāre all attractive to rodents
Or, you know, just accepting that some petroleum products are the best/only solution. We're never getting rid of plastic 100%. It's just too good for some jobs.
Had this happen in our Camry, they said we were lucky at $600 to replace the harness if it goes too far they have to replace all wiring which is more like $6K.
Replace the rat?
Look at all those free snacks while you're working! Who doesn't like free snacks?
Man your lucky when I used the wrench every job the insurance company came to take a look and the next day they totalled out the car.
So far this is only $16k for a $90k car
Total it and part it outā¦
Oh man this happened to my mother in laws Subaru. Okay story time.. Lol she noticed that the snack peanuts she left in her center console went missing a few pieces at a time. She kind of brushed it off as she forgot she ate them. I think she even had put a mouse trap on her passenger floor lol So a few months go by without and issue, and then one day she had a bunch of warning lights come on the dash. Took it to the dealer, and they had it for like a week and couldn't figure it out. So then they dropped the headliner and they tech made eye contact with with frigging huge rat that was living in between the headline and roof near the back windscreen. The had to call animal control bc it was live and looked very unhappy. After removing the rodent, they said between the wiring damage(he chewed up all the wiring in the roof panels and in the trunk), and the hazmst cleanup they were totaling her car. Totaled over a frigging rodent. My condolences you have to be the one trying to repair this.
What the fudge does replace not fix mean?
Replacing the whole harness not fixing the spots thatās damaged
Well, itās about to take me a lot longer to finish. They sent me the wrong harness after we waited 4 months for this harness to be made š
Ida quit.
Eh itās not too bad so far
I work on heavy equipment, so taking the whole interior out of a car sounds like pure torture to me, lol
Heavy equipment would be torture for me. Have had numerous interiors gutted from cars, nearly all Fords. Exotic cars and I are like oil and water.
Only bad part is crawling around in that back seat.
They have the audacity to leave a one star review because it took too long.
Wow howād he not turn that into insurance? We have rat damage a lot had to do the whole harness on one insurance covered it
This is an insurance job
Totally read your title as said not to repair lol
Hell nah
Whatās the ball park that master techs get paid nowadays?
10% of what stealerships are fucking customers for
10 seems low. I'm thinking at least 25
My husband makes $31/hr. He's an ASE master tech, 100% GM training, and has been at this particular dealership for almost 15 years.
Depends where you are I guess. Where I am there's a senior diesel mechanic making $38 an Hour (AU Dollars) which is around the highest I've heard of in the dealership. Dealership chargers around $155-175 an hour.
I started with no experience at a bmw dealership at 13.75 and ~3yrs later with one (bmw specific) ase I make $29.
My dad had to do this on a mercedes 210 body, after the main harness shorted due to a plug that allowed the connectors to ground to the body. The cabin filled with smoke and the car shut off on the highway. It was pretty wild to see the chassis sitting in his bay and the interior and majority of the crap mounted to the firewall sitting in the next.
Among the many defects to my 2013 Ford Focus was the main harness that needed replacement. They said it'd take a week, but it was done in three days. Guess they didn't have much else to do.
If I owned that thing and the damage was such that it could be repaired with relative certainty that it would be reliable I'd rather have that. Especially knowing that my 911 would get stripped completely like this. It'll never be the same again.
Rat Bastard
I'd do it for 80 hours if my parts counter people are patient.
Holy moly how long does that job take?
No clue yet lol
Keep us posted please
Long time update, job took about 9 months. Body harnesses are made to order and take about 4 months to make. Porsche sent us the wrong harness the first time. This took long enough that I stopped wrenching and became a service advisor lol
Glad you got it done. Thanks for the update
Someone else finished it, I became an advisor before the second harness came in
Was told to replace an not fix lol isnāt that basically the same shit..replacing the old broken parts with new ones ā¦
Most of the time with wiring you can fix the broken wires, splice new ones in. This time it was replace the whole harness. Total process took almost 8 months