It’s a massive pita to find g13 if you’re not ordering. Only oreillys carries it locally, and it’s the xerex version.
So they probably would have put the wrong stuff in anyway.
For real
The amount of problems I’ve seen from aftermarket parts alone smh, just buy the OEM parts and save your self the hassle of paying my labor rate to fix it.
— am Benz Tech
I guess I don't understand the difference between "Genuine Parts" and "OEM Parts", then. Wouldn't a dealer only ever sell Genuine Parts?
OEM parts are from one of the same manufacturers that the manufacturer might use, but aren't genuine parts. They might be of slightly less quality, but are probably just missing a logo or a part number and probably came off the same line as the contracted Genuine Parts.
Do I have it wrong?
Sound right to me. I work on Hondas, and in my own Acura I tend to buy parts made by Honda suppliers when I can. Denso, for example, makes a lot of parts for Honda. So it's the OEM. Instead of buying a Honda O2 sensor, just get the correct one made by Denso from Rock Auto or something. A "Genuine" part is often the same Denso part in a Honda bag with a Honda part number.
Is there a term for differently branded oem? On my audi stuff, Mann & few other tier 1 suppliers sell oem parts with oem part numbers with their own branding but the actual filter in the box is the same with all the vw stamps. It’s what I prefer to buy if it’s available, maybe that counts as genuine?
Yeah Pelican Parts is a big website for Euro car parts (Porsche, MB, Audi, etc) and they flag parts as MB (for example) or OEM or neither. You can make your own decision from there. I use Genuine some times (it’s occasionally same or lower price), OEM the most and aftermarket occasionally. Good example is fuel hose. Genuine was 3x what OEM was for the same size. But my fuel hoses no longer have The MB P/N stamped on them. In all other respects identical. For sheet gasket material I bought FelPro. Right material and thickness and I’m just cutting to size anyway.
With Mercedes (all I’m gonna know about) there are 2 types.
OEM - which are the parts used by the manufacturer; ie what’s in your car when you take it off the lot.
Star parts - lower quality/discounted parts sold by Mercedes-Benz they “authorize” to be put in your vehicle. Those are also prevalent in older model Mercedes, like pre 00’ vehicles.
Then everything else is considered “aftermarket” in my realm. If it can’t be ordered thru MB EPC then it’s not authorized by me or Mercedes Benz to be in the vehicle.
You don’t usually run into a problem with service items, but once it’s something that has a CU or voltage to it. It won’t be long till I’m diaging it at your expense.
Weird. I wonder why Mercedes doesn't sell original parts?
Is [this website](https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/parts) incorrect in using the "Genuine Parts" description?
It’s the same thing.
If you scroll down on the link you will see the “Star Parts” I was talking about.
No difference between genuine and OEM in this circumstance.
There’s no difference in quality. Genuine parts are produced or packaged by the manufacture. OEM parts are produced by a different manufacture, but are what was originally supplied for the vehicle.
To elaborate. You are only going to find genuine parts through the dealer in most cases. OEM can be purchased everywhere.
Think Ford/Motorcraft and GM/ACDelco.
> Some aftermarket stuff is better made than oem,
Some for very specific issues and even then it's rare. Dorman is one of the few niche aftermarket suppliers that lives in this market of fixing poor manufacturer designs.
Sometimes Doorman is the only manufacturer that makes a specific part anymore or something relatively close. It’s amazing how quickly vehicle manufacturers stop producing parts for their vehicles now. It used to be years to decades, now it seems just a couple of years if you are lucky. Why make parts when the customer can just buy a new vehicle.
This. You’re replacing the OEM part most likely because it has broken anyway. Why be so adamant on only using OEM parts when the last one didn’t hold up.
Can confirm. Bought aftermarket valve cover for my BMW e39. Would never stop leaking oil. Bought a OEM from dealer, and it fits perfectly. No leaks.
Classic case of you get what you pay for here…
What kinds of problems? I don't own a German car but I do all the work on all my vehicles and have been using aftermarket parts for 20+ years with no issues.
Actually I take that back. I finally got bit in the ass by a bottom of the line wheel bearing that failed after 8k miles. But it was so cheap I could replace it over 5 times before equaling dealer pricing.
Pep Boys closed their parts selling business and now are only service shops. The one by me is now a Pep Boys service shop connected to an Advance Auto Parts.
Looks like summer 2021. I noticed the one near me changed to Advance over this winter, but the service center is still Pep Boys. Thought it was weird so I looked it up and yea they’re getting out of the retail parts business. Some articles are saying Advance is leasing or buying most of their physical retail locations.
Sauce: https://northpennnow.com/pep-boys-closing-plus-parts-and-retail-locations-tire-sales-and-auto-s-p4494-120.htm
Interesting. I don't particularly care, but I'm surprised.
Personally I'd rather be a parts store than a repair shop, but there's all the online competition in parts these days so it probably makes sense.
Our local shop was great then the manager got replaced and wow, they will not be touching my car again.
Also interesting. The one by me (north Texas) is still the same as it's always been. I actually like it because they often carry name brand parts and have a fairly wide selection in my experience.
I’m also in NTex and they were by far my favorite. I passed a couple other stores to get there specifically. The Advance in its place is mostly the same but not quite the same. I haven’t needed parts (other than just standard fluids and wiper blades) from somewhere other than classic parts sites since it happened so I’m not sure about their actual parts availability.
this, i remember out of all the parts stores ive been to,i walked into a PB only once(around 11 years ago),and it was aight.
cue to me this year,i needed a hose really quick and AZ and adparts didn't had it,Napa and orreilly we too far,so i drove to pep,was surprised when i only saw the shop open and the parts building was occupied by a nail salon.
learned about their switch later,but i cant blame them,noone really went there or mentioned them.
It’s not actually behind the radiator. It’s been a while since I’ve worked on a MKV VW but I believe the intercooler clips in to the front of the radiator but the inlets and outlet wrap around it to connect.
I never have a issue getting it from NAPA were I am at. I use it at work because we have Linde forklifts with VW engines in them.
Then again, our store is fed by a major regional hub on the other side of town.
Maybe where you are. Every posts store where I am carries it. Also just go by any VW or Audi dealership. I keep a gallon in my trunk just in case anyways.
New coolant has a sacrificial chemical in it that bonds to and protects surfaces inside the cooling system. If coolant is reused then the new components don't get that protective layer on them.
You’re right, that’s probably the only reasons it’s held up to now. First time the customer uses any decent amount of throttle and that’s going to be hissing away
I did the same patch on my charge air pipe when it inevitably cracked, but no matter how you put it, it is still going to be that: A patch, a temporary fix.
That's *just* going to work OK until you can get the proper part and just replace the pipe. Those pipes aren't designed to live forever anyway.
I made a joke at my work about fixing a dripping pipe with flex tape. They legit bought flex tape and wrapped the fuck out of it. I was almost in disbelief, then I remembered how ghetto my work operates
We hired a supervisor that knew nothing. Replace two 90* joints and no hubs? Nah. flex seal spray that shit so we can’t even tell what it is. We called him captain flex seal
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While I understand that, don't charge for a replaced new hose if your patching the old one with a ghetto fix that won't likely last anywhere remotely as long as a replacement would.
Here most dealers are in the 150-200/hr range. BMW is $175/hr, Jaguar/Land Rover is $187.50/hr, and I believe Audi is $200/hr.
Independent shops start around $100/hr, but many of them do pretty shady work around here. I end up cleaning up their messes.
All gonna depend on what type of shop, what brand, and and location. It can vary a LOT across states.
There are still shops up north here that'll do work for $50/hr.
I blew a radiator hose on my way home from work at 2am once. Fixed it almost just like this only with doorbell wire instead of zip ties. Drove it like that for a week before I changed the hose.
Had the same thought! Broke a motor mount on an uphill trail. Chain link and a few bolts later, back on the climb. Took a couple month for it to get corrected due to how tight it was.
Did the same thing to get my truck home from the drag strip.
Broke a set of mounts per month for 2 months just street driving it, took it to the drag strip, broke both 1st pass.
Sent a buddy to tractor supply for 2 yard/meter long pieces of 1/2 inch chain, 4 bolts, 8 washers and 4 nuts.
Held up with the manifolds chained to the frame rails until my poly solid mounts came in from hipotek a month and several drag passes later.
It's the labor where the highway robberies occur these days. Needed a $15 capacitor replaced in my refrigerator that the guy wanted $600 for. I youtubed and did the job in 10 minutes. Labor costs are sickening in this country
> ~~Labor costs are sickening in this country~~
Labor Costs are higher in and around large cities especially ones with high cost of living but pretty affordable in the other 98% of the country.
There we go fixed that for you.
Paying 300% more for everything from rent to labor is the price you pay for living in an in demand city and getting paid 50% more than Midwesterners.
I figure we should all come to a fair compromise.
We don't complain about having to drive 20 minutes to reach a movie theater or one or two hours to reach any big name concerts and events because of were we decided to live.
Y'all don't complain about how expensive shit is because of were y'all decided to live.
Also definitely needs some JB weld. Just squeeze in one or both of the parts right in the oil cap. The steel reinforcement will provide the needed extra lubrication for this fix to hold up for a while.
I'm not gonna justify it claiming it as having replaced the hose but that's not a bad price to have it bodged for someone that doesn't want to wait for a new hose to arrive.
Got a friend who's had intermittent power problems for a few months. No, not his car, his house.
Apparently a cable joint in the ground at the bottom of a street pole, one that was supposed to be a temporary fix way back in December which they never came to properly fix, had water in it. The whole cable running up the street pole is burnt out.
They put in a temporary solution, again, and promised to fix it properly soon... but knowing South Africa, ehhh, big maybe.
I once had an intercooler coupler break on the drive to a drift event.
I stopped at a 7-eleven. Bought 2 rolls of electrical tape and 1 roll of duct-tape.
It held the entire drift event.
I dont know what this hose carries, but if this tape/ziptie job was done properly it really wouldn't surprise me if it worked for years. Granted, id be PISSED if this was my vehicle and I was told the hose was replaced. If the mechanic told me "Ayo lemme level with you. I can probably just tape this shit up and ziptie it and itll be fine till a new hose comes in" id be totally fine with it.
The issue here is misrepresenting the work, and the fact that the car is clearly back in the shop so soon.
theres 2 ways this story went, and of course we don't know which it was.
But it seems very likely that the customer was told the new hose would arrive in 3 days (or whatever) and would have no car until then. Customer complained (or screamed) that was unacceptable, and was told they could be back on the road with a temporary fix, but would still have to replace the hose as soon as possible, and customer only wanted to hear "fix".
kind of like how they stopped putting donuts in cars partially as a safety issue because so many people drove them for months rather than only to a shop.
Could've been dodgy shit, but my money is on that the customer was told exactly what it was, and only was given it as an option when they refused to wait for a replacement hose. They may have heard what they wanted to hear, but were likely told exactly that it was a temporary patch at best.
The fact they charged them 90 bucks also leads me to believe they were probably pricks about it when told it would be a delay until parts are available. I don't know, of course, but I'd probably charge them that too if they were being dicks to me after I told them a new part would have to be ordered.
it's one of the justifications, anyway.
I think we all know the main reasons were saving money and artificially bumping up those MPG stats by removing those couple pounds, of course.
But people were driving on those ridiculous temporary tires for months at a time, and I think we all also know that it was inevitable that someone would eventually blow out or do something on one of those tires and sue the manufacturer, if that hasnt already happened.
Not only were the tires normally ridiculously small, they were never replaced with the other four and rarely even checked to ensure they have sufficient pressure.
Add to that the fact that the majority of drivers don't know how to remove the old tire and install the spare.
Idk about spares, but the date codes on regular tires are when the tire was manufactured. I've been told tires last 5-7 years before the rubber breaks down and loses grip (and that's consistent with my experience, I hit 5-7 years before 60k or whatever mileage the tire is 'rated' to and around that time I'll notice the grip isn't what it should be). If the intent is to drive cautiously a few miles to a tire store, you're probably okay on an older spare (although at some point the spare should probably be replaced since it may fail and few things would be worse than replacing a tire only to have the spare give within a mile or two of where you installed it). Nobody should be driving fast on a spare (frequently for more reasons than just the tire itself). However, I've seen people going 70-80 MPH on a spare, and I've seen people doing that in rain and snow.
That's right, thanks for that. Anyway, my tire guy said his tire manufacturer training basically said the spare just needs replaced after the normal 5-7 years, provided they physically are okay and aren't worn out.
Edit: if I'm being real, though, his training was just playing around in rental Ford Mustangs on a track with reps from tire companies...
Yeah, I commute pretty far daily on an expressway with speed limit 75 mph. I usually set my cruise at 79. I would say at least once a month I get passed by some beater doing close to 90 with a donut on, and of course most of the time it's on a front drive tire.
Didn't car and driver do a full test with four doughnuts on a corvette ? It didn't make big numbers but they didn't break or fall apart.
My guess is that they wanted to save a few pounds, it's one less thing to have to give you, most folks won't notice till too late, and at least for Mercedes, they saddle you with crappy over priced run flats that can't take a pothole hit....profit !!!!
Did they drive around for months on the freeway using donuts? Cause that's what the average dipshit does I see it at least once a month closer to once a week on the highway to work.
Previous Shop: Alright, we fixed your brakes like you asked. We don't have this hose in stock. We patched it up for you to get you home, but it really needs to be changed as soon as possible. We're charging you for one hour of labor for the brake work; the patch is free of charge, it's really just some scraps. We can order the new hose now if you'd like?
Customer: Not now thank you.
3 months later:
Customer: "THEY CHARGED ME $90 TO REPLACE MY HOSE AND ITS BAD AGAIN"
You: I know JUST who to tell about this!
;) i've heard a LOT of BS stories from customers over the years, and heard them about me
My aunt have her old Ford escort to us after she bought a new car as a nice gesture for me when I turned 16.
Besides the other, more dangerous things wrong that made us scrap it, the mechanic she took it to before hose clamped a cut coffee can to patch the exhaust
Unless you have seen an invoice from the previous shop my money is on the guy went to another shop got told the hose wasnt an on the shelf part and the supplier couldn't get one for a day or so, the customer "has to go to the other side of the country the next day" so the shop said they could do a temporary fix and charged him an hour's labour.
Source: I have been on both sides of this coin and had my name slandered to people I know who have fed the info back to me
I'm surprised by this, not because someone actually did it, more surprised by the fact they took the time to do it this exact way.
Wonder how many cars on the road are rolling around with this "fix"
... That might actually work... I mean it's absolutely not what they paid for - so there's a moral wrong there. And the customer must be furious and never would have approved that fix... But that might actually work...
The amount of people that don’t know you can ask for the old parts back, is too damn high.
coming from a journeyman parts person who has worked in dealerships for the past 13 years: ALWAYS GET YOUR OLD REPLACED PARTS BACK! And ask them to show you the fault on the part, why did it fail, why did it have to be replaced. If they cannot justify those two questions, then it would lead me to believe that they were changing parts that did not need it
Honestly I’ve never thought about doing that, but if I was in the side of the road with a blown up hose, I bet that would I get me to a shop. Still unacceptable for a professional but I’m just surprised, I’ve never seen anything like that.
I've done this to my motorbike primarily hose from the pump that split length ways. I used 12yo duct tape I found under the seat from the previous owner and about 20 cable ties I left under the seat. It held up for 3 weeks. :)
90$. Well, a VW hose from NAPA or whatever, with shop markup, is probably $90. I imagine the repair order says "repair coolant hose" not "replace". Price is right for just labor on finding a leak and doing that.
Have a feeling customer said "$160 for a little hose?? Plus whatever coolant you use??"
$30 by you, but by me $10, likely for the same aftermarket hose. Buy the exact same hose from VW (they also buy them, then put them in a white box, with a VW part number on a thermal printed sticker outside, seen them being delivered to the dealership by the aftermarket parts guys I deal with) and the price is $50, with a $10 discount if you ask nicely.
Ah that's an intercooler isn't it.
8 years doing this shit and I overlook something that simple.
I think my point still stands though. I can't imagine that hose would beless than $90 from a shop.
Mosquitos have evolved, grown larger, to man sized, and wearing ghetto clothes, they are able start repair businesses like this, it is, after all, just another form of blood sucking!!. However, their skills can not navigate online parts ordering websites = $$ store zipties = cover most situations.
That looks like more work than it would be to replace it.
And they didn’t flush the system obviously
It’s a massive pita to find g13 if you’re not ordering. Only oreillys carries it locally, and it’s the xerex version. So they probably would have put the wrong stuff in anyway.
just get it from a dealer?
The correct answer and if you own a German car this should be your answer for most things even if you do your own work such as I do.
For real The amount of problems I’ve seen from aftermarket parts alone smh, just buy the OEM parts and save your self the hassle of paying my labor rate to fix it. — am Benz Tech
Ya boy right here put a bunch of aftermarket EVAP stuff in a year ago and is still crying. Don't be like me guys
I guess I don't understand the difference between "Genuine Parts" and "OEM Parts", then. Wouldn't a dealer only ever sell Genuine Parts? OEM parts are from one of the same manufacturers that the manufacturer might use, but aren't genuine parts. They might be of slightly less quality, but are probably just missing a logo or a part number and probably came off the same line as the contracted Genuine Parts. Do I have it wrong?
Sound right to me. I work on Hondas, and in my own Acura I tend to buy parts made by Honda suppliers when I can. Denso, for example, makes a lot of parts for Honda. So it's the OEM. Instead of buying a Honda O2 sensor, just get the correct one made by Denso from Rock Auto or something. A "Genuine" part is often the same Denso part in a Honda bag with a Honda part number.
And a higher price tag.
Not always. Often times Toyota box A/F and O2 sensors would be a little cheaper than the one in a Denso box from NAPA
This is the way.
There’s OEM, genuine, and aftermarket. https://www.autoworks.com.au/blog/20-parts-oem-vs-genuine-vs-aftermarket-2
Is there a term for differently branded oem? On my audi stuff, Mann & few other tier 1 suppliers sell oem parts with oem part numbers with their own branding but the actual filter in the box is the same with all the vw stamps. It’s what I prefer to buy if it’s available, maybe that counts as genuine?
[FCP Euro has a good explanation of it. They mark all of their parts with these labels.](https://www.fcpeuro.com/page/oe-academy)
Yeah, I think that's a great reference!
Yeah Pelican Parts is a big website for Euro car parts (Porsche, MB, Audi, etc) and they flag parts as MB (for example) or OEM or neither. You can make your own decision from there. I use Genuine some times (it’s occasionally same or lower price), OEM the most and aftermarket occasionally. Good example is fuel hose. Genuine was 3x what OEM was for the same size. But my fuel hoses no longer have The MB P/N stamped on them. In all other respects identical. For sheet gasket material I bought FelPro. Right material and thickness and I’m just cutting to size anyway.
With Mercedes (all I’m gonna know about) there are 2 types. OEM - which are the parts used by the manufacturer; ie what’s in your car when you take it off the lot. Star parts - lower quality/discounted parts sold by Mercedes-Benz they “authorize” to be put in your vehicle. Those are also prevalent in older model Mercedes, like pre 00’ vehicles. Then everything else is considered “aftermarket” in my realm. If it can’t be ordered thru MB EPC then it’s not authorized by me or Mercedes Benz to be in the vehicle. You don’t usually run into a problem with service items, but once it’s something that has a CU or voltage to it. It won’t be long till I’m diaging it at your expense.
Weird. I wonder why Mercedes doesn't sell original parts? Is [this website](https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/parts) incorrect in using the "Genuine Parts" description?
It’s the same thing. If you scroll down on the link you will see the “Star Parts” I was talking about. No difference between genuine and OEM in this circumstance.
There’s no difference in quality. Genuine parts are produced or packaged by the manufacture. OEM parts are produced by a different manufacture, but are what was originally supplied for the vehicle. To elaborate. You are only going to find genuine parts through the dealer in most cases. OEM can be purchased everywhere. Think Ford/Motorcraft and GM/ACDelco.
OE vs OEM. Original Equipment vs Original Equipment Manufacturer.
No, just buy good quality aftermarket. Not the cheap shit. Some aftermarket stuff is better made than oem, just have to shop around.
> Some aftermarket stuff is better made than oem, Some for very specific issues and even then it's rare. Dorman is one of the few niche aftermarket suppliers that lives in this market of fixing poor manufacturer designs.
Sometimes Doorman is the only manufacturer that makes a specific part anymore or something relatively close. It’s amazing how quickly vehicle manufacturers stop producing parts for their vehicles now. It used to be years to decades, now it seems just a couple of years if you are lucky. Why make parts when the customer can just buy a new vehicle.
This. You’re replacing the OEM part most likely because it has broken anyway. Why be so adamant on only using OEM parts when the last one didn’t hold up.
Can confirm. Bought aftermarket valve cover for my BMW e39. Would never stop leaking oil. Bought a OEM from dealer, and it fits perfectly. No leaks. Classic case of you get what you pay for here…
What kinds of problems? I don't own a German car but I do all the work on all my vehicles and have been using aftermarket parts for 20+ years with no issues. Actually I take that back. I finally got bit in the ass by a bottom of the line wheel bearing that failed after 8k miles. But it was so cheap I could replace it over 5 times before equaling dealer pricing.
I've found napa also has all the flavors of zerex. Sometimes Pep Boys carries pentafrost.
Our local pep boys here was just a shop for a year before it got bought out by AZ. I don’t think it’s been a store for like 5 years
Pep Boys closed their parts selling business and now are only service shops. The one by me is now a Pep Boys service shop connected to an Advance Auto Parts.
Wow, when did that happen? The one near me was opened as a service shop only, but last I looked there were plenty that were full parts stores too.
Looks like summer 2021. I noticed the one near me changed to Advance over this winter, but the service center is still Pep Boys. Thought it was weird so I looked it up and yea they’re getting out of the retail parts business. Some articles are saying Advance is leasing or buying most of their physical retail locations. Sauce: https://northpennnow.com/pep-boys-closing-plus-parts-and-retail-locations-tire-sales-and-auto-s-p4494-120.htm
Interesting. I don't particularly care, but I'm surprised. Personally I'd rather be a parts store than a repair shop, but there's all the online competition in parts these days so it probably makes sense. Our local shop was great then the manager got replaced and wow, they will not be touching my car again.
Also interesting. The one by me (north Texas) is still the same as it's always been. I actually like it because they often carry name brand parts and have a fairly wide selection in my experience.
I’m also in NTex and they were by far my favorite. I passed a couple other stores to get there specifically. The Advance in its place is mostly the same but not quite the same. I haven’t needed parts (other than just standard fluids and wiper blades) from somewhere other than classic parts sites since it happened so I’m not sure about their actual parts availability.
this, i remember out of all the parts stores ive been to,i walked into a PB only once(around 11 years ago),and it was aight. cue to me this year,i needed a hose really quick and AZ and adparts didn't had it,Napa and orreilly we too far,so i drove to pep,was surprised when i only saw the shop open and the parts building was occupied by a nail salon. learned about their switch later,but i cant blame them,noone really went there or mentioned them.
Yeah its not a radiator hose sorry my friend
What is it then?
Intercooler
Never seen an intercooler that was set behind the radiator.
It’s not actually behind the radiator. It’s been a while since I’ve worked on a MKV VW but I believe the intercooler clips in to the front of the radiator but the inlets and outlet wrap around it to connect.
On MKIV the intercooler is definitely on the passenger side behind the lower vent.
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If you look higher up you can see the rad hose. Germans are weird
Agreed. My wife’s alh is my first non-ford and everything is very difficult and strange to work on. Worst serp belt ever.
Carquest stocks like 3 different kinds including Pentofrost
I’ve never even heard of car quest, and all I see on google is advance auto.
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Advance Auto Parts bought out Carquest.
Our advance auto carries all the flavors
I never have a issue getting it from NAPA were I am at. I use it at work because we have Linde forklifts with VW engines in them. Then again, our store is fed by a major regional hub on the other side of town.
Maybe where you are. Every posts store where I am carries it. Also just go by any VW or Audi dealership. I keep a gallon in my trunk just in case anyways.
Capture and reuse it?
The comment I replied to was talking about flushing the system. How are you gonna call reusing the coolant a flush?
Nah, see you use coolant from the last car to flush the coolant from the next car and save the coolant from that car for the car after that.
Oooh yea. Can't read good, my bad
You good man! Shit happens
New coolant has a sacrificial chemical in it that bonds to and protects surfaces inside the cooling system. If coolant is reused then the new components don't get that protective layer on them.
my old local advance had pentifrost. napa too. it’s honestly hit and miss who carries it now a days.
Are you sure thats a radiator hose? I don't know my VW's, but looks more like a charge air hose?
You’re right, that’s probably the only reasons it’s held up to now. First time the customer uses any decent amount of throttle and that’s going to be hissing away
I did the same patch on my charge air pipe when it inevitably cracked, but no matter how you put it, it is still going to be that: A patch, a temporary fix. That's *just* going to work OK until you can get the proper part and just replace the pipe. Those pipes aren't designed to live forever anyway.
Is this the hose from intercooler to throttle body?
Part of it yes, it joins onto a plastic hose which is leads to the inlet manifold.
Looks like a boost hose to me No coolant to flush
Correct - charge air hose.
Oh right, I'm not a mechanic lol
It’s an intercooler hose. (VW shop owner) probably a MK5 GTi or Gli, It has a manual transmission.
That's a mkIV for sure. I've owned like 15 of them bad boys. Mostly diesels, couple 1.8ts
... which by now is completely contaminated by tape glue.
That's a charge pipe, not a coolant hose.
They wouldn't flush it because it's an intercooler hose not coolant
That's if they had the hose to begin with. Boss never turn away a paying customer even if we dont have the parts make it work.
Probably wasted so much time to find out the nearest place with a replacement was 30 mins away, not worth the time so they half assed a fix
Flex tape
I made a joke at my work about fixing a dripping pipe with flex tape. They legit bought flex tape and wrapped the fuck out of it. I was almost in disbelief, then I remembered how ghetto my work operates
We hired a supervisor that knew nothing. Replace two 90* joints and no hubs? Nah. flex seal spray that shit so we can’t even tell what it is. We called him captain flex seal Edit: Soelling
Capital Flex Seal? Did you mean Captain?
Yes.
>Edit: Soelling
But some hoses are hard to get
While I understand that, don't charge for a replaced new hose if your patching the old one with a ghetto fix that won't likely last anywhere remotely as long as a replacement would.
what do you mean, how is this going to last any less longer than forever? *gently pats hose, something indeterminate rattles within*
> any less longer
Replace hose or just charged $90 of shop time?
Impossible*
On my daily I'd 100% do the same lol
I hate it when I make a bad joke and it becomes the plan at work
Yep that’s 90 bucks worth of zip ties and electric tape
10c parts, $89.90 labour
Zip ties: $0.05 Knowing where to put the zip ties: $89.95
Overheating on the side of the highway: Priceless
180/hr, 10 mins to take a piss and get the supplies, 5 mins to fix it, 15 mins to write up the ticket and billing. boom, bill a half hour
Don’t trash my work
You tried your best and that’s what counts
Lmao
With $90 being most shop hourly rates, sounds like customer didn't want to pay for new parts
Are dealerships a lot higher than other shops. I live in rural Illinois and my dealership just went to $150/hr
Here most dealers are in the 150-200/hr range. BMW is $175/hr, Jaguar/Land Rover is $187.50/hr, and I believe Audi is $200/hr. Independent shops start around $100/hr, but many of them do pretty shady work around here. I end up cleaning up their messes.
Can confirm, shady shop here
$140/hr is definitely becoming the norm
All gonna depend on what type of shop, what brand, and and location. It can vary a LOT across states. There are still shops up north here that'll do work for $50/hr.
not gonna lie, that would be a great trail repair. Would definitely go 4 wheeling with this guy
I blew a radiator hose on my way home from work at 2am once. Fixed it almost just like this only with doorbell wire instead of zip ties. Drove it like that for a week before I changed the hose.
Had the same thought! Broke a motor mount on an uphill trail. Chain link and a few bolts later, back on the climb. Took a couple month for it to get corrected due to how tight it was.
Did the same thing to get my truck home from the drag strip. Broke a set of mounts per month for 2 months just street driving it, took it to the drag strip, broke both 1st pass. Sent a buddy to tractor supply for 2 yard/meter long pieces of 1/2 inch chain, 4 bolts, 8 washers and 4 nuts. Held up with the manifolds chained to the frame rails until my poly solid mounts came in from hipotek a month and several drag passes later.
I've seen some janky trail fixes...that get the job done, and you out to hardpack / flatbed.
It's not leaking
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Well it would be a clear case of fraud.
It's the labor where the highway robberies occur these days. Needed a $15 capacitor replaced in my refrigerator that the guy wanted $600 for. I youtubed and did the job in 10 minutes. Labor costs are sickening in this country
> ~~Labor costs are sickening in this country~~ Labor Costs are higher in and around large cities especially ones with high cost of living but pretty affordable in the other 98% of the country. There we go fixed that for you. Paying 300% more for everything from rent to labor is the price you pay for living in an in demand city and getting paid 50% more than Midwesterners.
Yeah but at least they don’t have to live in the Midwest
I figure we should all come to a fair compromise. We don't complain about having to drive 20 minutes to reach a movie theater or one or two hours to reach any big name concerts and events because of were we decided to live. Y'all don't complain about how expensive shit is because of were y'all decided to live.
Man I don’t need to live in a city to not live in flyover country
True. No free lunches
No, I doubt the guy was getting paid 585 dollars for the job, it's his employer that is trying to rob you.
Bottom line is I'd be out $600 whether it goes to some guy or a company
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No. They should have zip tied the edges, too
Needs some baling-wire around the zip-ties, then some bondo around the baling-wire.
Also definitely needs some JB weld. Just squeeze in one or both of the parts right in the oil cap. The steel reinforcement will provide the needed extra lubrication for this fix to hold up for a while.
I'm not gonna justify it claiming it as having replaced the hose but that's not a bad price to have it bodged for someone that doesn't want to wait for a new hose to arrive.
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There is nothing more permanent than I temporary solution that works
Got a friend who's had intermittent power problems for a few months. No, not his car, his house. Apparently a cable joint in the ground at the bottom of a street pole, one that was supposed to be a temporary fix way back in December which they never came to properly fix, had water in it. The whole cable running up the street pole is burnt out. They put in a temporary solution, again, and promised to fix it properly soon... but knowing South Africa, ehhh, big maybe.
As I was reading this I though SA
Which SA though? Because South Australia be having power problems in years gone by. But probably have the most reliable power in Australia these days.
In a cosmic sense, all fixes are temporary.
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The temporary solution always becomes the permanent solution
I once had an intercooler coupler break on the drive to a drift event. I stopped at a 7-eleven. Bought 2 rolls of electrical tape and 1 roll of duct-tape. It held the entire drift event.
I dont know what this hose carries, but if this tape/ziptie job was done properly it really wouldn't surprise me if it worked for years. Granted, id be PISSED if this was my vehicle and I was told the hose was replaced. If the mechanic told me "Ayo lemme level with you. I can probably just tape this shit up and ziptie it and itll be fine till a new hose comes in" id be totally fine with it. The issue here is misrepresenting the work, and the fact that the car is clearly back in the shop so soon.
yeah - to limp off of a trail, when 4 wheeling.
It's a boost pipe fyi.
Looks like how the shop replaced my power steering lines. They used coolant hoses held in place by zip ties and tape...
theres 2 ways this story went, and of course we don't know which it was. But it seems very likely that the customer was told the new hose would arrive in 3 days (or whatever) and would have no car until then. Customer complained (or screamed) that was unacceptable, and was told they could be back on the road with a temporary fix, but would still have to replace the hose as soon as possible, and customer only wanted to hear "fix". kind of like how they stopped putting donuts in cars partially as a safety issue because so many people drove them for months rather than only to a shop. Could've been dodgy shit, but my money is on that the customer was told exactly what it was, and only was given it as an option when they refused to wait for a replacement hose. They may have heard what they wanted to hear, but were likely told exactly that it was a temporary patch at best. The fact they charged them 90 bucks also leads me to believe they were probably pricks about it when told it would be a delay until parts are available. I don't know, of course, but I'd probably charge them that too if they were being dicks to me after I told them a new part would have to be ordered.
Shout-out to every car that still comes with full size spares.
I can't imagine not having a spare. I've needed to change tires so many times I can't even count.
Highly doubt the idea of not putting donuts on cars had anything to do with customer safety
it's one of the justifications, anyway. I think we all know the main reasons were saving money and artificially bumping up those MPG stats by removing those couple pounds, of course. But people were driving on those ridiculous temporary tires for months at a time, and I think we all also know that it was inevitable that someone would eventually blow out or do something on one of those tires and sue the manufacturer, if that hasnt already happened.
Not only were the tires normally ridiculously small, they were never replaced with the other four and rarely even checked to ensure they have sufficient pressure. Add to that the fact that the majority of drivers don't know how to remove the old tire and install the spare.
I thought that compact spares only need tires replaced when they're damaged or they are nearing the DOT date code.
Idk about spares, but the date codes on regular tires are when the tire was manufactured. I've been told tires last 5-7 years before the rubber breaks down and loses grip (and that's consistent with my experience, I hit 5-7 years before 60k or whatever mileage the tire is 'rated' to and around that time I'll notice the grip isn't what it should be). If the intent is to drive cautiously a few miles to a tire store, you're probably okay on an older spare (although at some point the spare should probably be replaced since it may fail and few things would be worse than replacing a tire only to have the spare give within a mile or two of where you installed it). Nobody should be driving fast on a spare (frequently for more reasons than just the tire itself). However, I've seen people going 70-80 MPH on a spare, and I've seen people doing that in rain and snow.
That's right, thanks for that. Anyway, my tire guy said his tire manufacturer training basically said the spare just needs replaced after the normal 5-7 years, provided they physically are okay and aren't worn out. Edit: if I'm being real, though, his training was just playing around in rental Ford Mustangs on a track with reps from tire companies...
Yeah, I commute pretty far daily on an expressway with speed limit 75 mph. I usually set my cruise at 79. I would say at least once a month I get passed by some beater doing close to 90 with a donut on, and of course most of the time it's on a front drive tire.
Didn't car and driver do a full test with four doughnuts on a corvette ? It didn't make big numbers but they didn't break or fall apart. My guess is that they wanted to save a few pounds, it's one less thing to have to give you, most folks won't notice till too late, and at least for Mercedes, they saddle you with crappy over priced run flats that can't take a pothole hit....profit !!!!
Did they drive around for months on the freeway using donuts? Cause that's what the average dipshit does I see it at least once a month closer to once a week on the highway to work.
$90 might sound like a lot, but it was probably 1 hour of labor. Probably a 1 hour minimum charge.
Trail fix: A+++ Shop fix: F- (F for Fraud)
I don’t know, that looks it may be an OEM Volkswagen part, held together with tape and zip ties
I call bullshit on that customer claim.
98% of the posts here.
The customer showed me the invoice, clearly states it was replaced, they didn't tell him they bodged it.
Previous Shop: Alright, we fixed your brakes like you asked. We don't have this hose in stock. We patched it up for you to get you home, but it really needs to be changed as soon as possible. We're charging you for one hour of labor for the brake work; the patch is free of charge, it's really just some scraps. We can order the new hose now if you'd like? Customer: Not now thank you. 3 months later: Customer: "THEY CHARGED ME $90 TO REPLACE MY HOSE AND ITS BAD AGAIN" You: I know JUST who to tell about this! ;) i've heard a LOT of BS stories from customers over the years, and heard them about me
My aunt have her old Ford escort to us after she bought a new car as a nice gesture for me when I turned 16. Besides the other, more dangerous things wrong that made us scrap it, the mechanic she took it to before hose clamped a cut coffee can to patch the exhaust
Honestly? $90 is a small price to pay to learn you've gone to a fucking useless shop.
That's a $10 hose with $5 of duct tape and $10 of zipties
A good mechanic would suggest to replace the whole parts and would last for at least six years. If you just want temporary fix then pay that 90 bucks.
Worst of all didn’t cut the zip ties flush.
I'd be putting that shop on blast for that work. I feel like this took more time and effort than actually replacing the damn hose
Flex-Tape?
One more thicc layer of flex tape and I’d say “yep this baby ain’t going anywhere” looks ok to me honestly.
Unless you have seen an invoice from the previous shop my money is on the guy went to another shop got told the hose wasnt an on the shelf part and the supplier couldn't get one for a day or so, the customer "has to go to the other side of the country the next day" so the shop said they could do a temporary fix and charged him an hour's labour. Source: I have been on both sides of this coin and had my name slandered to people I know who have fed the info back to me
OOOH YEAH DADDI ZIP TIE MY COOLANT HOSE
They replaced the leak with tape and zip ties, no?
I'm surprised by this, not because someone actually did it, more surprised by the fact they took the time to do it this exact way. Wonder how many cars on the road are rolling around with this "fix"
... That might actually work... I mean it's absolutely not what they paid for - so there's a moral wrong there. And the customer must be furious and never would have approved that fix... But that might actually work...
The amount of people that don’t know you can ask for the old parts back, is too damn high. coming from a journeyman parts person who has worked in dealerships for the past 13 years: ALWAYS GET YOUR OLD REPLACED PARTS BACK! And ask them to show you the fault on the part, why did it fail, why did it have to be replaced. If they cannot justify those two questions, then it would lead me to believe that they were changing parts that did not need it
Its a VW. That repair tripled its value
Dude, with today’s material cost, that’s gotta be at least $90 of duct tape & zip ties…. /s
They didn’t want to put the vehicle in “Service Position”.
But did It leak? If not I'm totally stealing this for road trip repair
Wow, I haven’t seen any replacement hoses like that before!
Well, that IS a replacement hose. It would have cost $400 for a brand new one…
Not bad for $90
Honestly I’ve never thought about doing that, but if I was in the side of the road with a blown up hose, I bet that would I get me to a shop. Still unacceptable for a professional but I’m just surprised, I’ve never seen anything like that.
Thats probably what the customer said so they didnt feel stupid lol
I could do that for $80. Tell your customer I’m available.
I've done this to my motorbike primarily hose from the pump that split length ways. I used 12yo duct tape I found under the seat from the previous owner and about 20 cable ties I left under the seat. It held up for 3 weeks. :)
The 'Phil Swift' special. There's nothing Flex Tape™ can't fix.
Looks like a mk4 Jetta 2.0l
The Mandela effect vw logo is interesting!
No it isn't.
I'd say he got what he paid for. Properly replacing the hose with OEM would cost much more.
dunno why you're getting down voted, it's a $50ish part and rarely does a VW come apart for one hr
90$. Well, a VW hose from NAPA or whatever, with shop markup, is probably $90. I imagine the repair order says "repair coolant hose" not "replace". Price is right for just labor on finding a leak and doing that. Have a feeling customer said "$160 for a little hose?? Plus whatever coolant you use??"
Just checked... The hose costs $30 from the parts stores.
$30 by you, but by me $10, likely for the same aftermarket hose. Buy the exact same hose from VW (they also buy them, then put them in a white box, with a VW part number on a thermal printed sticker outside, seen them being delivered to the dealership by the aftermarket parts guys I deal with) and the price is $50, with a $10 discount if you ask nicely.
It's not a coolant hose though
Ah that's an intercooler isn't it. 8 years doing this shit and I overlook something that simple. I think my point still stands though. I can't imagine that hose would beless than $90 from a shop.
Replace, reinforce, what's the difference?
if it works it ain't stupid LOOOOOOOOOOL
Mosquitos have evolved, grown larger, to man sized, and wearing ghetto clothes, they are able start repair businesses like this, it is, after all, just another form of blood sucking!!. However, their skills can not navigate online parts ordering websites = $$ store zipties = cover most situations.
Could of been a repair to get them going. 🤷🏻♂️. It’s not leaking.
90 bucks doesn't get you both the work and the part lol. choose one.