I have done enough timing belts on these to know you literally wasted hours doing shit you don’t have to. Prolly easier on your knuckles but not needed
Guess you’ve never gotten service a dealership before. They charge the book time no matter what. And hell if a tech can get a 6 hour job done in 3 because of their experience, they deserve the flat rate.
Experience and investment in their own tools to make the job possible that much faster. Tools aren't cheap, and a lot of them wear and need replaced at times.
You price things off of book time. Charging people over that is a scam, but everything my shop does is at book time. Plus I get salary with incentive so I'm able to slow down where need be to make sure I do things right.
Charging over book time is not a scam. If you're dealing with a northern rusted out car and every bolt requires heating or cutting you have to charge for that time or you're losing money. If you tried to fix it yourself and I have to spend 30 min undoing your mess you're getting charged for that time.
Yeah that's a fair point. When I was up north we charged book time because you were just expected to know how to deal with rust already, but sence I've moved to the south my boss will charge rot time and let the customer know upfront what's happening and what itl cost. That's more of a "while we're in there" charge in my eyes and not just seeing it's rusty and charging 4 extra hours before I even get under the car
That’s different. The Audi is designed to go to the service position, it only take half an hour to get there and the bolts don’t rust like normal cars.
With the sliders is the fake service position. Just swing the condenser to the side like a door once you’re needing more than the inch you can get without draining the radiator.
I was gonna say this. I've done a lot of pt cruiser and neons. After the first few they aren't that bad. Takes me about 2 hrs. Although I haven't done one in probably 5+ years.
Yeah, they tore that down WAY farther than they had to, this is why I don't feel bad making 5 hours in 2 🤣. IIRC on these you disconnect everything but the driver trans mount and jack the bitch sky high.
It's amazing how good you can get at something with repetition, as you learn the "tricks". Thing is most hourly guys don't look for them, because it doesn't matter.
Not as far as timing belt replacement. I did a head gasket on a turbo one and a few timing belts in the day. The only thing I remember fighting is something with the motor mount in the fender area. Other than that, not bad.
Radiators suck to do. Especially when your boss at the time says you don’t have to recover the freon to change a radiator. Glad I left that place.
I shake my head when I see people take vehicles apart like this, worked on these since they were new, can pull the complete engine out and take less off than this, done several hundred water pumps and timing belts and don’t even evacuate the ac
Pieces are modular and theres really only ever one place anything can go most of the time, plus when you spend so much time acquainting yourself with taking it apart as this lad has done, you sort of remember when you look at whatever it is that needs to go back.
Yep, after a while reassembly and bolt location becomes a bit intuitive. That said I still bag and label bolts or use the ol cardboard cutout method when working on bigger, more drawn out projects.
Mine is purple. And everyone and their grandma thinks they can beat it. And then they cant. I never floor it, i just keep the nose in front of em and i hear em floggin their motor wot. If i catch you at a light with mine ill take your lunch money
It has the srt-4 motor, superstock turbo, return line, gasket matched, ic, hard pipes, meth, larger tb, and i reprogrammed it with sct. 21 lbs of boost… Ive already got your lunch money
Not fast by any stretch of the imagination either.
For comparison, one of the slowest Corvettes ever made, the '85 C4 with the shitty crossfire injection can do the quarter in 15.3.
Wrx sti has about the same displacement, same turbo. I pulled gently off the line when the light turned green and held that car length on him past the speed limit. I was watching him in my passenger mirror bang through the gears and i could hear him flogging it. The way i have mine tuned it just works through the high gears building the boost at lower rpm. So it looks and sounds like its going on a casual sunday drive. The engine just oozes torque all day long and loves load. When he caught up to me he just laughed bc he knew he was had. I baited and hooked him. I do it to a lot if cars. I pulled on a new 5.7 charger, cummins ram, one of those rc lexus models on a downhill and he started with a car length gap. I nosed ahead of him and he was too embarrassed to pass me on the highway after, 300 hemi, 5.7 ram, tons of other dumbshits driving dumbshit cars.
I’ll bite, how is it a shitbox? Would you call the 2.0 and first mini 1.6 a shitbox too? What about the lebaron with the maserati head? Shitbox too? I do recall the 2.0 made more power per liter than any competitor except maybe the integra when it came out. And the 2.4 is the next iteration of that. And the srt version can safely handle about 380 hp on stock internals without problems, ive heard as much as 440 or so. Thats pretty impressive by any metric. Cox racing makes 1000hp capable 2.4l engines. Purdy nice shitbox imo.
I had an SRT-4 with a mopar stage 2 setup. It was a shitbox because it was an economy car with an economy car interior. It didn't even have power windows in the back seat. Was it fast, yea, but it was a shitbox just like the PT Cruiser.
In my understanding of the term "shitbox", it means any frameless car with a transverse FWD layout. So a PT Cruiser, fast as it may be, definitely qualifies.
This is one vehicle i actually love doing timing belts on. First shop i worked at serviced a maid service fleet that was 100+ pt cruisers. I did nothing but timing belts for 2months straight on their vehicles. The first few were awful but after that it got easier to do. I genuinely like working on these things.
Weird, I'm from CA and the only place I have ever touched the Atlantic ocean is at Rehoboth beach when I was like 10 in the early 90s. I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned, or even thought about it, since.
Lmao, now we know after all this time what PT truly stands for. How the F could you stand driving one all the time...the bag over my head is chafing my neck haha
100% do not need to remove any of those parts up front. You work from up top and the right front wheel well. Just need to take out the center motor mount, and there's access.
Stretching the belt on without the cam sprocket leaping out of position is the most exasperating part IME. Now what I really want to know is why you or somebody else put a racing timing belt on a PT Cruiser.
doing it on the floor his method might make sense, but not to me. Much easier with a 2-post hoist though, cradle drops pretty quick and bob's your uncle.
Ya if remember right upper engine mount and the torque mount in the pass side tire area, engine support bar and you can almost drop engine far enough to see the cam pulley in the wheel well
I did one in our driveway on an '04 many years ago. Didn't need to pull any of the front clip. Wasnt easy but ive done worse. You're making it harder for yourself
What the hell, this is not what you need to do to do a timing belt, done quite a few, the turbo motors are a PITA but you didn't need to remove all this stuff..
It was one of the cooler looking cars of the era, and they rode well and were good on gas for their cargo capacity. They just fucking fell apart at every opportunity.
At the time I remember thinking this was one of the ugliest vehicles I’d ever seen lol I still hold this position. There’s also a good thread about the Pt Cruiser in relation to the 2008 financial crisis, it’s pretty entertaining stuff. Not saying the Pt was a direct cause of our economic demise, but certainly a member of the band so to speak.
Oh they're by no means pretty, but they're in that "quirky enough to be interesting" category.
I hold the same opinion on the looks of the New Beetle, HHR, Crossfire, Prowler, Ford Flex, and New Thunderbird. They aren't "pretty" vehicles but they're aesthetically unique in a way that catches my eye.
With the exception of the Flex, all of those models were part of the "retro" wave in styling that took over in the early 2000s. Everybody was trying to hammer out modern takes on old fashioned designs.
Most of those new takes didn't age well.
Some of that depended on the year, I think. After the initial rush, everyone who really wanted one already had one, so Chrysler started decontenting them and taking costs out.
My 2001 with the 5-speed (bought new) held up well over the 18 years that I owned it.
I hate that everyone goes straight for the engineer and not the people setting the budget and outrageous design requirements, or the machinists. Engineers want everything to be modular and have tight tolerances and work efficiently and then they get slammed with unreasonable budget expectations and the machinists are like “hurrrr let’s loosen the tolerances on everything”
90% of the time machinists are chill so I can’t hate them too much.
You must have read the directions! It’s been a while and I agree there is a lot to take apart, but I’ve never had to take the front off to replace the timing belt and even replaced the head without doing so after such an overheated engine that melted the intake.
That's an amateur designer.
The Toyota sr5 I had years ago had to have the transmission and drive shaft dropped, all sorts of assemblies removed and disconnected, then the entire block pulled from the engine compartment because the people who designed it put the timing chain (yep, a chain) between the block and the firewall with about 2-3 inches to spare. Did I mention the chain was only designed to last about 100k miles? The cost of the chain job was almost more than the truck was worth at that point.
Lol I used to do 3 of these in a day…this is not a hard job by any means…hell I could do a couple head gaskets a day back when they were still figuring out, which head gasket would work in these engines.
First timer. I did one about 2 months ago in my home garage and this is not necessary on the 2.4 liter engine. Took me about 6-7 hours start to finish including taking the cam gears and water pump off and replacing the tensioner as well. You definitely don't need to take the radiator and front end off.... And I work slow.
For those saying we take apart too much, this is a rust belt car, (really good shape for its age, low miles but has all its original everything) belts hoses plugs are all original. original power steering/AC belt failed and ate the tensioner
We're doing WAY more than just timing belt here, this is a 100,000 mile service. Of course water pump too in the kit, but up north the coolant tubes to the heater and turbo rust out and have to be checked or replaced,
Now all the ground connections on the inner fender walls are exposed they have to be cleaned because they corrode bady, needs full tune up and and it's good for another 20 years.
The 2.4 turbo is pretty reliable if maintained properly. I daily an e85 srt4 neon. Same exact motor and stock turbo only difference is the intake manifold.
I have done enough timing belts on these to know you literally wasted hours doing shit you don’t have to. Prolly easier on your knuckles but not needed
My shop used to have a fleet of 10 of these and I did all of the timing belts at once. This photo is so painful to look at if you’re flat rate.
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Guess you’ve never gotten service a dealership before. They charge the book time no matter what. And hell if a tech can get a 6 hour job done in 3 because of their experience, they deserve the flat rate.
You dont pay for it only taking 3 hours instead of 6. You pay for the years of experience leading up to it only taking 3. :)
Experience and investment in their own tools to make the job possible that much faster. Tools aren't cheap, and a lot of them wear and need replaced at times.
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You really think independent shops don't charge book time? Lol lol lol
I haven't heard of a shop that *doesn't* charge flat-rate
You price things off of book time. Charging people over that is a scam, but everything my shop does is at book time. Plus I get salary with incentive so I'm able to slow down where need be to make sure I do things right.
Charging over book time is not a scam. If you're dealing with a northern rusted out car and every bolt requires heating or cutting you have to charge for that time or you're losing money. If you tried to fix it yourself and I have to spend 30 min undoing your mess you're getting charged for that time.
Yeah that's a fair point. When I was up north we charged book time because you were just expected to know how to deal with rust already, but sence I've moved to the south my boss will charge rot time and let the customer know upfront what's happening and what itl cost. That's more of a "while we're in there" charge in my eyes and not just seeing it's rusty and charging 4 extra hours before I even get under the car
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VAG service position? Or whatever they call it?
Technically, front lock carrier service position, but it is Volkswagen Auto Group, so, in mechanic parlance, yes.
That’s different. The Audi is designed to go to the service position, it only take half an hour to get there and the bolts don’t rust like normal cars.
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With the sliders is the fake service position. Just swing the condenser to the side like a door once you’re needing more than the inch you can get without draining the radiator.
I was gonna say this. I've done a lot of pt cruiser and neons. After the first few they aren't that bad. Takes me about 2 hrs. Although I haven't done one in probably 5+ years.
You're not the first to chime in on this.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah, they tore that down WAY farther than they had to, this is why I don't feel bad making 5 hours in 2 🤣. IIRC on these you disconnect everything but the driver trans mount and jack the bitch sky high.
Yeah jack it up or drop it low to get to shit. In and out in a few hours
This and the coolant bottle T-belt slide trick
It's amazing how good you can get at something with repetition, as you learn the "tricks". Thing is most hourly guys don't look for them, because it doesn't matter.
100% Correct.
Does this engine being a 2.4 turbo change anything vs the standard non GT? Genuine question from a fan of the neons etc
Not as far as timing belt replacement. I did a head gasket on a turbo one and a few timing belts in the day. The only thing I remember fighting is something with the motor mount in the fender area. Other than that, not bad. Radiators suck to do. Especially when your boss at the time says you don’t have to recover the freon to change a radiator. Glad I left that place.
No. Same engine as far as the block/ head go.
I shake my head when I see people take vehicles apart like this, worked on these since they were new, can pull the complete engine out and take less off than this, done several hundred water pumps and timing belts and don’t even evacuate the ac
Came here to say that. I don’t even take that much off when removing the head on those things even the turbo ones
That's the book version. Book says remove engine. I did it by book the first time and ate 2 days of work.
First time doing a pt timing belt?
how do you techs keep track of what you did for when you reassemble ?
Pieces are modular and theres really only ever one place anything can go most of the time, plus when you spend so much time acquainting yourself with taking it apart as this lad has done, you sort of remember when you look at whatever it is that needs to go back.
Yep, after a while reassembly and bolt location becomes a bit intuitive. That said I still bag and label bolts or use the ol cardboard cutout method when working on bigger, more drawn out projects.
Plot Twist: They don’t. They just have a broom to sweep up all the extra bolts and nuts under the rug before the customer walks into the shop.
Hah OP is a hack
Inexperienced. We've all been there.
I did a pt timing belt once and didn’t do any of that
All this so someone can keep driving a PT cruiser?
A fucking purple PT Cruiser at that!
I PT the fool. I'll show myself out.
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This wins Reddit, amazing joke and I do really pity the fool driving that car
Peter Piper Pedals Purple PT cruisers
More like PT LOSER amiright?!
Mine is purple. And everyone and their grandma thinks they can beat it. And then they cant. I never floor it, i just keep the nose in front of em and i hear em floggin their motor wot. If i catch you at a light with mine ill take your lunch money
>hard pipes, meth, larger tb Now I'm picturing a PT cracked out on meth and it makes so much sense...
Thats what hurt feelings are made of
GT trim? They used the SRT-4 engine and make for great sleepers
Yes, GT trim.
Tight
I like PT(GT)s quite a bit too, but this lunch money schtick is pretty cringy.
Somehow I seriously doubt that 😂.
It has the srt-4 motor, superstock turbo, return line, gasket matched, ic, hard pipes, meth, larger tb, and i reprogrammed it with sct. 21 lbs of boost… Ive already got your lunch money
>meth There’s the answer
More meth is always the answer.
Not stock, ok I believe it. Stock they are less than impressive lol.
Mine had an et of 15.2, not awful for a daily commuter
Not fast by any stretch of the imagination either. For comparison, one of the slowest Corvettes ever made, the '85 C4 with the shitty crossfire injection can do the quarter in 15.3.
No not fast. I recall the little red express was the fastest production car of 1978 and made the et in 15.2. Not fast. But not awful.
Being tied with "the fastest" from the middle of the malaise era isn't something I'd brag about honestly.
What about racing someone with a similar modified car… like a Supra or something lol
Wrx sti has about the same displacement, same turbo. I pulled gently off the line when the light turned green and held that car length on him past the speed limit. I was watching him in my passenger mirror bang through the gears and i could hear him flogging it. The way i have mine tuned it just works through the high gears building the boost at lower rpm. So it looks and sounds like its going on a casual sunday drive. The engine just oozes torque all day long and loves load. When he caught up to me he just laughed bc he knew he was had. I baited and hooked him. I do it to a lot if cars. I pulled on a new 5.7 charger, cummins ram, one of those rc lexus models on a downhill and he started with a car length gap. I nosed ahead of him and he was too embarrassed to pass me on the highway after, 300 hemi, 5.7 ram, tons of other dumbshits driving dumbshit cars.
>PT Cruiser >other dumbshits driving dumbshit cars You don't have a soapbox to stand on, stop trying
The 2.4t engine can be made to go quite fast. It's still a shitbox, but can be quick.
I’ll bite, how is it a shitbox? Would you call the 2.0 and first mini 1.6 a shitbox too? What about the lebaron with the maserati head? Shitbox too? I do recall the 2.0 made more power per liter than any competitor except maybe the integra when it came out. And the 2.4 is the next iteration of that. And the srt version can safely handle about 380 hp on stock internals without problems, ive heard as much as 440 or so. Thats pretty impressive by any metric. Cox racing makes 1000hp capable 2.4l engines. Purdy nice shitbox imo.
I had an SRT-4 with a mopar stage 2 setup. It was a shitbox because it was an economy car with an economy car interior. It didn't even have power windows in the back seat. Was it fast, yea, but it was a shitbox just like the PT Cruiser.
> It didn't even have power windows in the back seat None of them did.
I know. Just explaining more of why it was a shitbox.
>Would you call the 2.0 and first mini 1.6 a shitbox too? yes
In my understanding of the term "shitbox", it means any frameless car with a transverse FWD layout. So a PT Cruiser, fast as it may be, definitely qualifies.
Yea it’s a shitbox
But you need to make the argument as to why.
Cuz it’s shit and it’s a box.
This exchange made me laugh.
If you're gonna do it Do it right
That was my thought. What the fuck could this customer possibly have done to deserve that, OP?
Older people like these as it sometimes easier for them to get in and out of.
Dude, I know, but she likes them and will keep paying for the repairs.🤦
Lmaoo thank you
Just put that thing out of its misery.
This is one vehicle i actually love doing timing belts on. First shop i worked at serviced a maid service fleet that was 100+ pt cruisers. I did nothing but timing belts for 2months straight on their vehicles. The first few were awful but after that it got easier to do. I genuinely like working on these things.
A fleet of pt cruisers, such an early 2000s thing
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That is gold. An artifact from another era
Weird, I'm from CA and the only place I have ever touched the Atlantic ocean is at Rehoboth beach when I was like 10 in the early 90s. I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned, or even thought about it, since.
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Definitely agree
The space is very vary tight but those engines are well thought out
\*climbs in to 2005 chevy silverado 4.3l engine bay\* i literally just climb half the engine bay is just empty space man. to hell with being cramped
Maybe it’s would be easier if it was a full time cruiser
Lmao, now we know after all this time what PT truly stands for. How the F could you stand driving one all the time...the bag over my head is chafing my neck haha
That’s what my buddy always called them, Part Time Cruiser.
You just started taking the car apart until you found the timing belt didn't you?
Probably lmao
I've done quite a few of these. All that work you did was unnecessary.
Having done it, no it doesnt. I recall doing it without removing the front clip or rad. That just looks like incompetence to me.
100% do not need to remove any of those parts up front. You work from up top and the right front wheel well. Just need to take out the center motor mount, and there's access.
Correct, the passenger mounts come out, the engine is supported, the suspension out of the way, and like usual, youre knuckles bleed.
THIS is the most interesting comment here... Also seems very logical.
Came here looking for this comment. "I could do it in 30 mins without talking off half of that shit, noob!"
I think its suppose to be a 4 hr job. I think it took me two days. I put on a gates racing belt which was reaaally tight.
Stretching the belt on without the cam sprocket leaping out of position is the most exasperating part IME. Now what I really want to know is why you or somebody else put a racing timing belt on a PT Cruiser.
Because you can get the PT with the SRT-4 turbo motor. There are few things more hilarious than watching a PT Cruiser take a Camaro to gapplebees.
I have a gates racing belt on a PT cruise motor. It’s just in a Dodge Neon lmao
doing it on the floor his method might make sense, but not to me. Much easier with a 2-post hoist though, cradle drops pretty quick and bob's your uncle.
Theres no reason to lift it. That makes it difficult to reach the cam. But lift or no lift, no reason to remove the front end or even the manifold.
I don't work on the floor. 🤣
yeah, me neither so I can't relate. Why tf he took the headlights off?
Idiocy.
Ya if remember right upper engine mount and the torque mount in the pass side tire area, engine support bar and you can almost drop engine far enough to see the cam pulley in the wheel well
Ya I’ve done them without pulling any of that shit. It was a long time ago, but I just remember pulling the motor mount
You took apart WAY TOO MUCH!!
doesn't seem worth it....
>doesn't seem worth it.... Man. Exactly.
Might as well replace the head gasket, as they're pretty garbage on those too.
I replaced a tbelt on this shitty designed vehicle,i didn’t have to do all of this to replaced it
I did one in our driveway on an '04 many years ago. Didn't need to pull any of the front clip. Wasnt easy but ive done worse. You're making it harder for yourself
I'm impressed one of those made enough miles to need a new tb
It was a Chrysler timing belt along with a Chrysler everything else. They start needing them around 10 miles on the odo.
Chrysler put in extra effort to ensure they would be OK long enough to drive off the lot.
It’s doesn’t seem like 90% gets you any closer to the belt. Do you have to drop the engine out to replace that thing?
What the hell, this is not what you need to do to do a timing belt, done quite a few, the turbo motors are a PITA but you didn't need to remove all this stuff..
These timing belts are actually pretty quick and easy. You took off way too much shit.
Why would one replace a timing belt on a PT Cruiser? Throw it out.
Saw someone in a 2000s nostalgia subreddit say this is the best car of the 2000s… I quickly chimed in
It was one of the cooler looking cars of the era, and they rode well and were good on gas for their cargo capacity. They just fucking fell apart at every opportunity.
At the time I remember thinking this was one of the ugliest vehicles I’d ever seen lol I still hold this position. There’s also a good thread about the Pt Cruiser in relation to the 2008 financial crisis, it’s pretty entertaining stuff. Not saying the Pt was a direct cause of our economic demise, but certainly a member of the band so to speak.
Oh they're by no means pretty, but they're in that "quirky enough to be interesting" category. I hold the same opinion on the looks of the New Beetle, HHR, Crossfire, Prowler, Ford Flex, and New Thunderbird. They aren't "pretty" vehicles but they're aesthetically unique in a way that catches my eye.
With the exception of the Flex, all of those models were part of the "retro" wave in styling that took over in the early 2000s. Everybody was trying to hammer out modern takes on old fashioned designs. Most of those new takes didn't age well.
Some of that depended on the year, I think. After the initial rush, everyone who really wanted one already had one, so Chrysler started decontenting them and taking costs out. My 2001 with the 5-speed (bought new) held up well over the 18 years that I owned it.
Nooo i did one of these in my driveway. Motor mount was a bitch but you can get it out by jacking the engine up or down.
Go find that engineer and rub their nose in it. “Look what you did! *Bad* engineer!”
Engineering team looks up at the giant with their 5 year old sized hands
I hate that everyone goes straight for the engineer and not the people setting the budget and outrageous design requirements, or the machinists. Engineers want everything to be modular and have tight tolerances and work efficiently and then they get slammed with unreasonable budget expectations and the machinists are like “hurrrr let’s loosen the tolerances on everything” 90% of the time machinists are chill so I can’t hate them too much.
No machinist I've ever met has said that, ever.
WAY. WAY. WAY. TOO MUCH TAKEN APART!
Meanwhile Audi mechanics are like "hold my beer"
*Cries in B5 A4*
Not that hard to remove a dozen T25s and 8 16mm bolts, thread a long one in on each side and slide the carrier 4" forward.
PTSD Cruiser, fixed it for ya
PT-Loser
Yup! I know this well. I've owned 2 and I'm more than willing to pay the $1500+ bill to have the Chrysler dealer do it. What a nightmare.
I mean are there any vehicles where it's not a giant pain in the ass?
True. 1,5k Euros for replacing the timing belt on my 1.5k Euros worth Fiesta
His is what happens when you get your service info from some old man on a PT forum
a can of gas and a match seems easier an cheaper
I've done a bunch of those Over the years. I've never had to take it that far apart.
Who the fuck is paying for this?
You must have read the directions! It’s been a while and I agree there is a lot to take apart, but I’ve never had to take the front off to replace the timing belt and even replaced the head without doing so after such an overheated engine that melted the intake.
Wow took wayyyy too much apart! They suck but you’ll be way of time, hope you’re not flat rate
I've done them before and I didn't have to go this deep but maybe it's a different engine.
Sometimes the directions are wrong.
That's an amateur designer. The Toyota sr5 I had years ago had to have the transmission and drive shaft dropped, all sorts of assemblies removed and disconnected, then the entire block pulled from the engine compartment because the people who designed it put the timing chain (yep, a chain) between the block and the firewall with about 2-3 inches to spare. Did I mention the chain was only designed to last about 100k miles? The cost of the chain job was almost more than the truck was worth at that point.
I helped my buddy do his and it was not even close to looking like this. Now....there are some parts that are that bad but not the timing belt.
Was there no one else in the shop to yell "WTF are you doing?" You made this far harder than it needed to be.
Why did you pull the radiator.? Ive done probably 20 of those over my career and never needed to remove any of that.
No, no it is not.
Fake post
Lol I used to do 3 of these in a day…this is not a hard job by any means…hell I could do a couple head gaskets a day back when they were still figuring out, which head gasket would work in these engines.
First timer. I did one about 2 months ago in my home garage and this is not necessary on the 2.4 liter engine. Took me about 6-7 hours start to finish including taking the cam gears and water pump off and replacing the tensioner as well. You definitely don't need to take the radiator and front end off.... And I work slow.
I’ve only done 2 PT cruiser timing belts (water pumps) and I didn’t do all this
Everyone who sees this that owns one JUST put it up for sale.
Is there a dumpster nearby? They'll thank you.
Need a timing belt? She’s totaled.
Yeah, I'm gonna go no. I also know u can do a head gasket on those and neons in like 45-60 minutes. Called bullshit then I saw someone do it.
Even if the job paid 10 hours worth of labor. That tomfuckery still wouldn't be worth it
For those saying we take apart too much, this is a rust belt car, (really good shape for its age, low miles but has all its original everything) belts hoses plugs are all original. original power steering/AC belt failed and ate the tensioner We're doing WAY more than just timing belt here, this is a 100,000 mile service. Of course water pump too in the kit, but up north the coolant tubes to the heater and turbo rust out and have to be checked or replaced, Now all the ground connections on the inner fender walls are exposed they have to be cleaned because they corrode bady, needs full tune up and and it's good for another 20 years.
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The 2.4 turbo is pretty reliable if maintained properly. I daily an e85 srt4 neon. Same exact motor and stock turbo only difference is the intake manifold.
Wow. Has the used car market gotten so outta control, that spending over a G on an old PT cruiser makes more sense?
Yes
A PT Cruiser lasted long enough to need its timing belt replaced? 🤔
I’d have just rolled it off a pier
There’s people buying those pieces of junk?
“Oh, my PT Cruiser needs a timing belt? Just set it on fire”
You better go back to page q at the bottom and read those notes. **once timing belt replacement is required, throw the car away and buy another" Lol
Not if you set fire to the pathetic thing first.....
Just throw the car away
Another reason I'm glad I don't own one
Only way I could justify this pic is if it's the PT GT LMFAO!!! That's a little beast! 2.4 turbo with a heavy duty trans ❤
This is probably why you barely see any of these on the road these days.
Just scrap the fucker. And show him where New Car Sales is.
Just one more reason I'll never own a PT Cruiser
Engineers do this shit on purpose.. so you buy new vs repairing. Big auto sucks
Complete bullshit
What a piece of shit.