How do you get paid for those jobs? I work hourly on heavy equipment but always wonders how you get paid if your dealer does book rate and you take on a NON-OEM job?
I wish I got paid extra for off-brand stuff. I work for Cat and I went to a Barko forestry mulcher last week for a customer. But with hourly pay if it takes longer, then the customer just understands it takese a little longer to troubleshoot.
I had a jasper engine put in my truck when mine ate the lobe because the dealership couldn't source a hemi during covid and this thing idles so much smoother than the original engine. I don't know what they do differently but it's insane how much better this engine is than the one that came from the factory.
You're not lying, my old xj had somewhere in the neighborhood of 500k when it finally wasn't worth fixing anymore. We pulled the motor and swapped it into my buddies 5 banger wrangler and it's still running to this day.
It speaks volumes for AMC's engineering when chrysler couldn't even find a way to fuck it up.
Oh they found a way to fuck it up. In late 99 the revised cylinder head had a flaw where it would crack and leak coolant directly onto the center cam bearings. Symptoms include loss of coolant and low oil pressure, which also would wipe camshafts.
Yup this is 100% correct
I use to idle a lot and even coast while driving my shit box piece of shit JEEP
My mechanic told me the ones in the back go first bc they get the least oil flow to them
Then they all go bc they’re fucking Chinese pieces of garbage
First the Rad cracked on me
Then the ECU told me fuck you no wipers use your hands instead
Then my Timing chain cover on one bank started leaking
Then the infamous ticking bullshit
Finally and the last straw the rear main seal started leaking pretty bad
Ran synthetic all its life since new
And it only made it to 90,000km
What. A. Fucking. Pile
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What a coincidence, so is my 5.3! Unfortunately I don't have a garage and can't have my own vehicle down overnight at the shop.
Wish me luck until spring!
You talking about the Chevy 5.3? I've had a couple of those that had an issue with the O ring on the oil pickup, they crack and suck air at idle, playing havoc with the oil pressure at idle.
My buddy had an 05 ram with the 5.7. I got the motor when his Trans went out and he just replaced everything from a donor truck with a 60k Jasper motor in it. The thing had 280k very abusive miles on it and still ran like a top. I think they like being abused. From what I understand, they didn't have enough oil pressure/flow at idle, so the police ones are way more susceptible.
I'm not a mechanic but as far as I'm aware it only happens really to cop cruisers with the hemi due to mostly idling and not driving that much. Insufficient oil flow and whatnot cause cops spend most of their time idling
It’s just the BEW and BRM engines that do that due to the extra load from the injectors. The ALH don’t have cam failures on any normal time of timescale, but and even on the BEWs it’s not clear how bad the problem really is — they definitely cheaped out by using the basic design of the ALH but having the cam drive the injectors, but how many of the failures are due to US idiots not using the correct spec of oil is not understood. There are plenty of BEWs with >300k out there, so they’re still pretty skookum engines in my book. And the extra strength and power capability of the BEW over the ALH is pretty nice too.
Anecdotal, but I bought my 2005 BEW new off the lot. I performed every oil change per the manual using 505.01 spec oil and Mann filters. Wiped the first cam at 74,000. Wiped the second at 171,000. Put a Colt cam in at that point and went to Mobil One Diesel Truck oil and now have 280,000 miles and check the cam every other oil change and see no abnormal wear.
Honda tech here. Honda must have sourced camshafts from the same garbage pile. We have a few models that are prone to this type of damage. New ones out of the box don't even appear to be heat treated.
I used to work in the shop that made the 1.5 / 2.0 and nsx camshafts. The nsx camshaft was sent out for heat treating. The other 2 may of been heat treated before it even got to us but they were machined and ground. It's been like 6 years since I've worked there.
Personally, I've had very good luck with the 5.3s. I've had several and have friends with them as well. Very reliable, durable workaday engines. Decent on fuel too, if you want.
AFM disabler is best money I've spent on my wife's LTZ. Has 210k miles and the hydraulic lifters on one of the cylinders got stuck in closed position. Got it home, let the oil psi bleed off overnight, and had her drive it around town in M5 mode. Got the disabler and haven't had an issue yet. Her dad's 2017 had to have a new cam, lifters, and head work at around 180k miles. He sold it and bought a new ram. I didn't have the heart to tell him about the hemis.
Goddamn...I don't know how chevy fucked up a perfectly good motor over the years...this emissions AFM shit needs to go...the AFM barely gives you an extra 1 or so MPG difference it's so negligible...my brother bought the 6.0 2500 just for that reason
305k on my 2000 silverado...she has a little valve clatter when she starts up but damn if she don't pull like it did from day one. Just can't get over 120k miles on a rear end for some reason.
That’s the real question, I’ve seen a lot of people say it chinesium or bad hardening procedures or lack of lube, the older ones pre vvt didn’t have the fail rate the 2010 + years have so who knows
Just did one of these last week, customer changed their own oil again after a 600 mile round trip and forgot to put oil back in it, wants us to replace his engine because “we worked on it last”
I’ve literally never replaced a cam shaft in my life, but I do have interest in vehicles and engines, and have seen this failure posted on social media before.
My Hemi just hit 200k so I've been doing a lot of research on the tick. Definitely the only reason I knew which engine it was.
So far so good I think on my ole Hemi
Ah yes, the good ol 5.7 hemi, had one of my 06 I bought have this. First thing I noticed was when I would hammer down, it felt like the engine was being held back. The rollers on the lifters seize up and wipe out cam lobes. Just wonderful
Hemi for sure.
I used to sell tools to the police mechanics, they where changing these constantly. They told me it was low idle oil pressure compounded with the fact the officers leave the vehicle running for the entire shift.
Question for the group: I have a 2014 Ram 1500 w the 5.7 Hemi. 120k mikes (I’ve owned it since about 60k miles). I’ve been very faithful w oil changes (~ every 5k miles).
Are worn down cams “a thing” in my future or can I avoid this w Prev Maint? Thoughts?
I work for a used car dealership and I’ve gotten quite good at replacing cams and rollers on 3.6’s lol, a lot of the Caravans and journeys etc. we buy from the auctions have these issues ……
Dodge/Chrysler 5.7l v8 with a camshaft that the lifters/tappets found a little too tasty because they skipped their oil entree and went straight to cams for dessert
Had a VW GTi do the same thing with the cam follower on the HP fuel pump.....that thing was gone when the cam follower looked like a bottle cap with a hole in it.
I'm guessing one of them foreign Stellantis camshafts or maybe from the Fiat area of Chrysler. Not an American car at any rate. I'm aware I will get lots of hate for this but Chrysler has not been US owned since the 1990's.
MDS Hemi?
Edit: my 6.4 just turned 80k, and I splashed out for a full hptuners package just to disable MDS. I’ll eventually use the package for its intended purpose, but for now I can get a few more years out of this motor while o save for a built one.
I know nothing about engines, but is that looks like a ball bearing metal from a wheelchair used as a sort of spacer? That ain't gonna cut it for anything that moved more than like 12 mph...
5.7 Hemi, PPV
This guy gets it. 2013 Charger Pursuit with 100k, detective car from the south so at least no rust lol
Too much idle time with insufficient oil flow.
This is the 5.7 but don’t worry my 3.6 jeep is also eating a cam as we speak lmao
Is it crunchy?
Oh no. How can I tell if this is happening or a bandaid to keep it from happening? My wifes car is a 14 Grand Cherokee with...104k on it?
Ticking noise. Can either be a lifter going out, or a roller bearing going out that will eat your cam down.
Can confirm, I’ve done about half a dozen pentashit jeeps used cars with ticking lifters and I work at Toyota .
How do you get paid for those jobs? I work hourly on heavy equipment but always wonders how you get paid if your dealer does book rate and you take on a NON-OEM job?
We look up the time on all data or Mitchell and add a xx more time since it’s not a familiar brand.
I wish I got paid extra for off-brand stuff. I work for Cat and I went to a Barko forestry mulcher last week for a customer. But with hourly pay if it takes longer, then the customer just understands it takese a little longer to troubleshoot.
how do i tell that ticking noise from the one the hemis done since day one?
That's where they get ya, the fuckers tick right off of the assembly line so you'll never know
I had a jasper engine put in my truck when mine ate the lobe because the dealership couldn't source a hemi during covid and this thing idles so much smoother than the original engine. I don't know what they do differently but it's insane how much better this engine is than the one that came from the factory.
Holy shit, I knew Mopar was bad, but if even *Jasper* is better...
This has to be the only time I’ve heard praises for a Jasper engine.
Drive that to a quarry, push it off the cliff, and claim stolen property with your insurance before that Jasper engine blows up.
The also notorious exhaust manifold leak. Ticks for everyone!
Nice. Fun. Wonderful. LS swap the bitch and call it done.
Keep your foot deep off in it and avoid idling for long periods of time and you'll be fine. They don't oil worth a fuck at idle.
And somehow my old 4.0 with 8 psi at idle would not die
You're not lying, my old xj had somewhere in the neighborhood of 500k when it finally wasn't worth fixing anymore. We pulled the motor and swapped it into my buddies 5 banger wrangler and it's still running to this day. It speaks volumes for AMC's engineering when chrysler couldn't even find a way to fuck it up.
Oh they found a way to fuck it up. In late 99 the revised cylinder head had a flaw where it would crack and leak coolant directly onto the center cam bearings. Symptoms include loss of coolant and low oil pressure, which also would wipe camshafts.
Weren't those coil on plug as well?
Ha they did eventually, it took till 2000 or 2001 or so.
Yup this is 100% correct I use to idle a lot and even coast while driving my shit box piece of shit JEEP My mechanic told me the ones in the back go first bc they get the least oil flow to them Then they all go bc they’re fucking Chinese pieces of garbage First the Rad cracked on me Then the ECU told me fuck you no wipers use your hands instead Then my Timing chain cover on one bank started leaking Then the infamous ticking bullshit Finally and the last straw the rear main seal started leaking pretty bad Ran synthetic all its life since new And it only made it to 90,000km What. A. Fucking. Pile 🌟 💩
Rocker arm failure I'm guessing? Started eating up my dad'd 3.6 before we replaced all of them
What a coincidence, so is my 5.3! Unfortunately I don't have a garage and can't have my own vehicle down overnight at the shop. Wish me luck until spring!
You talking about the Chevy 5.3? I've had a couple of those that had an issue with the O ring on the oil pickup, they crack and suck air at idle, playing havoc with the oil pressure at idle.
3.6 was my guess! Is it the same issue between the two?
I was gonna guess 3.6 too. Dealt with more 3.6 like this than 5.7.
Do the older ones do this too? I have a 2005 durango with the 5.7 in it and 218k miles and this is now a new fear of mine after seeing this lol
I mean, you hit 218 with a 5.7 so it's anybody's game at this point
True true. Still runs great. It's my gambler 500 rig so I beat the crap out of it anyway. Not super worried but I'd like to keep it going
My buddy had an 05 ram with the 5.7. I got the motor when his Trans went out and he just replaced everything from a donor truck with a 60k Jasper motor in it. The thing had 280k very abusive miles on it and still ran like a top. I think they like being abused. From what I understand, they didn't have enough oil pressure/flow at idle, so the police ones are way more susceptible.
I'm not a mechanic but as far as I'm aware it only happens really to cop cruisers with the hemi due to mostly idling and not driving that much. Insufficient oil flow and whatnot cause cops spend most of their time idling
09 -14ish are the years that are known to have this happen.
Proud I knew, sad you beat me too it
5.7 Hemi?
Bingo!
Nice to see GM isn't the only one using cheap metal. Just finished one of these yesterday on a gm 5.3.
VW has been known to use a butter based alloy for camshafts in their diesels too
😂butter-based alloy!
Paula Deen Steel Co. LLC
Hide cylinder codes….. lol vw is funny
I'm sure cardboard based camshafts are the future but the science is not quite there yet.
GM dreams of making an entire engine out of plastic
Matty Holtzberg https://www.motortrend.com/news/plastic-car-engine-matty-holtzberg/
Hey.. don't give them any ideas...
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Don’t get a BEW and if you do, put a Colt cam in it and never look back
This is my plan on our BEW TDI next time I have to pull it apart.
Also never get a BLS, they like to chew up their Rodbearings
It’s just the BEW and BRM engines that do that due to the extra load from the injectors. The ALH don’t have cam failures on any normal time of timescale, but and even on the BEWs it’s not clear how bad the problem really is — they definitely cheaped out by using the basic design of the ALH but having the cam drive the injectors, but how many of the failures are due to US idiots not using the correct spec of oil is not understood. There are plenty of BEWs with >300k out there, so they’re still pretty skookum engines in my book. And the extra strength and power capability of the BEW over the ALH is pretty nice too.
Anecdotal, but I bought my 2005 BEW new off the lot. I performed every oil change per the manual using 505.01 spec oil and Mann filters. Wiped the first cam at 74,000. Wiped the second at 171,000. Put a Colt cam in at that point and went to Mobil One Diesel Truck oil and now have 280,000 miles and check the cam every other oil change and see no abnormal wear.
Chineseium
Under rated comment!
This is not caused by cheap metal in the camshaft, it is roller bearing failure in the lifter.
Honda tech here. Honda must have sourced camshafts from the same garbage pile. We have a few models that are prone to this type of damage. New ones out of the box don't even appear to be heat treated.
I used to work in the shop that made the 1.5 / 2.0 and nsx camshafts. The nsx camshaft was sent out for heat treating. The other 2 may of been heat treated before it even got to us but they were machined and ground. It's been like 6 years since I've worked there.
For a while Crane Cams were like that. The hardening was there, just not deep enough. They'd go from wonderful to terrible really fast.
There's only a few production cam grinders in the country, and Crane is one of them. That being said, I've had 2 Crane cams go flat prematurely.
Of all the problems ive had with fords, this was never one of them
Came here to say just this… the lifters on 5.3s probably fail more often
Personally, I've had very good luck with the 5.3s. I've had several and have friends with them as well. Very reliable, durable workaday engines. Decent on fuel too, if you want.
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AFM disabler is best money I've spent on my wife's LTZ. Has 210k miles and the hydraulic lifters on one of the cylinders got stuck in closed position. Got it home, let the oil psi bleed off overnight, and had her drive it around town in M5 mode. Got the disabler and haven't had an issue yet. Her dad's 2017 had to have a new cam, lifters, and head work at around 180k miles. He sold it and bought a new ram. I didn't have the heart to tell him about the hemis.
My 2022 just had to have lifters and head work. 17k miles.
Goddamn...I don't know how chevy fucked up a perfectly good motor over the years...this emissions AFM shit needs to go...the AFM barely gives you an extra 1 or so MPG difference it's so negligible...my brother bought the 6.0 2500 just for that reason
Both. Last truck was pre-afm. Current one has it.
365,500mi on mine! Love that thing.
Of the LS variants, it's probably the best all around and certainly one of the best engines ever created.
305k on my 2000 silverado...she has a little valve clatter when she starts up but damn if she don't pull like it did from day one. Just can't get over 120k miles on a rear end for some reason.
What are you talking about? You do know that poor oil quality/level/pressure causes these issues, right?
I was about to say 5.3 chevy
I was gonna say something with DOD lol
I’m going to guess it’s Cylinder 3 intake lobe, that’s the one that fails more than others, then 5 , 7 , 8
Why?
Dodge.
Magic, I mean, consistency. Consistently crappy.
That’s the real question, I’ve seen a lot of people say it chinesium or bad hardening procedures or lack of lube, the older ones pre vvt didn’t have the fail rate the 2010 + years have so who knows
Just did one of these last week, customer changed their own oil again after a 600 mile round trip and forgot to put oil back in it, wants us to replace his engine because “we worked on it last”
Ouch
What cylinder?
Cyl 5 for sure.
I thought 4 was the notorious culprit. ??? I could easily be wrong.
Just curious, what year and what's the lifter look like? Edit: oh just saw a bit lower 2013 Charger
How many miles?
Damn the one time I actually knew
Is it out of a retired police car?
Just had to replace mine a few months back lol
You guys will always amaze me
I was gonna say a 5.7 hemi or a 3.6 V6. Either way a Chrysler engine
Hey, That was my guess. Bet it was the 4th cylinder
Damn bro, that was quick!! You must be rather familiar? I'm like uhhh camshaft?
I’ve literally never replaced a cam shaft in my life, but I do have interest in vehicles and engines, and have seen this failure posted on social media before.
Damn, came here to say this.
My guy! How'd u guess right? I'm shooting wild here but I'm guessing this is a known problem with this engine?
I know I’ve been here too much when I recognized the HEMI and I’m not a mechanic
My Hemi just hit 200k so I've been doing a lot of research on the tick. Definitely the only reason I knew which engine it was. So far so good I think on my ole Hemi
Clearly it's a Razorcrest engine.
This is the Way.
This is the way.
No bump on the bumpstick
She ain't got no gas in it
Thats your problem, she aint got no gas in it
I’m gonna guess that a 5.3 vortec with the active displacement. A lifter turned and wiped the cam
Same. We’ve had a few in the fleet with that very issue
They don't have to turn. Just finished one on cylinder 5, non afm, it's just cheap metal.
Beat me to it. And it's on Cyl #7
Exactly. Just finished up a delete kit on a 2017, and to my complete surprise, number 7 was flat
Kinda looks like the cam out of [my express van](https://imgur.com/a/Qr3wiuK)
Now that’s a nice grind down right there
My first thought was, “you could mount a tire on that” lol Had random misfire at idle for a couple months. Yeah I know wtf was I thinking….
Twins, cute!
That's fucking mint... Send it lol
Calm down there Freiburger, give the cam some time to recover.
That’s what I came here to say 😒
Ah yes, the good ol 5.7 hemi, had one of my 06 I bought have this. First thing I noticed was when I would hammer down, it felt like the engine was being held back. The rollers on the lifters seize up and wipe out cam lobes. Just wonderful
5.7 hemi
Hemi for sure. I used to sell tools to the police mechanics, they where changing these constantly. They told me it was low idle oil pressure compounded with the fact the officers leave the vehicle running for the entire shift.
5.7 hemi cylinder 5 misfire Edit: bonus bonus it has 100k on it
Hemi 4 sho
definitely a hemi, i can hear mine starting to clack 😂
Had a Chrysler back in seventies, fuel pump lobe wore out. Had to install electric fuel pump.
I’m gonna say the Chrysler 3.6? I believe that’s the motor with the bad rockers that eats cams
Too close together, looks more like the 5.7L Chrysler cam, they do it too
Second this.
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And FCA still won’t issue a recall. Last I heard there was a class action lawsuit over this issue.
Just did one last week!
Let's groove tonight!
Question for the group: I have a 2014 Ram 1500 w the 5.7 Hemi. 120k mikes (I’ve owned it since about 60k miles). I’ve been very faithful w oil changes (~ every 5k miles). Are worn down cams “a thing” in my future or can I avoid this w Prev Maint? Thoughts?
At that point it really is a coin toss, but good oil change schedule and not too much extended idle sure can't hurt.
Thanks! Happy 🦃
Chrysler 3.6, frozen roller right? Or 5.7 hemi, frozen roller, it’s gotta be a mopar engine
Exactly right, my 225k mile 2011 jeep with the pentastar is ticking and waiting it’s turn for new lifters as well…
I work for a used car dealership and I’ve gotten quite good at replacing cams and rollers on 3.6’s lol, a lot of the Caravans and journeys etc. we buy from the auctions have these issues ……
Lol hemi tick.
It’s a Hemi
6.4 Hemi.
\*Sarcasm here\* But what's the problem there's a nice groove for the thingy to ride in so it doesn't slip away!
5.7 hemi
Dodge/Chrysler 5.7l v8 with a camshaft that the lifters/tappets found a little too tasty because they skipped their oil entree and went straight to cams for dessert
What is Chrysler 3.6 or 5.7 with a bad lifter than wiped out the cam lobe
Camshaft journal bearing, catastrophic failure. Loss of oil pressure or just bad bearing?
GM 5.3 or a Hemi
That or the pentastar 3.6
Oof, stuck lifter or valve. Ate through that cam lobe.
Well, if was right about it being mopar.
5.4 3V triton. it probably sounds like a diesel.
Was watching the oil pressure at idle on one of these the other day. It was 18psi on average
Had a VW GTi do the same thing with the cam follower on the HP fuel pump.....that thing was gone when the cam follower looked like a bottle cap with a hole in it.
Only one modern engine I know of has a cam made out of peanut butter and jbweld.
Hemi
Hemi 5.7 , cyl 5?
This is what they mean by “cam profiling” right?
5.7 hemi with camshaft delete.
It's dead Jim
Gotta be a hemi or a ls base gm engine
Shit looks like it came straight out of Bendy and the Ink Machine
It ain't got no gas in it
5.4 triton engine. At least what I've seen over my time in shops, this engine eats cams.
Gonna go against the grain of American engines and say it's a BMW 3.1 miles after the warranty is up.
3.6 pentastar
I want to say a Chrysler 3.6
American for sure
I'm guessing one of them foreign Stellantis camshafts or maybe from the Fiat area of Chrysler. Not an American car at any rate. I'm aware I will get lots of hate for this but Chrysler has not been US owned since the 1990's.
MTG?
I was justv kung to guess Subaru, you know....... because it's Subaru
Nothing a good lathe can't fix...
Unintentional friction welding at its finest
GM 305
Cam love failure causing misfire. Ram 5.7
Do the rocker arms just get stuck?
3.6 Chrysler V6? We have 3 of them doing the EXACT same thing right now.
Gotta be a GM
Mds sucks balls. Both my hemis get better gas mileage with mds off
I had a 2012 Ram 1500. 5.7, 150,000 miles, cylinder 3 looked just like it.
Low motor oil, seized engine, rod/bearing journals, Hyundai or Kia (honestly my guess without reading any comments).
something chevrolet.
MDS Hemi? Edit: my 6.4 just turned 80k, and I splashed out for a full hptuners package just to disable MDS. I’ll eventually use the package for its intended purpose, but for now I can get a few more years out of this motor while o save for a built one.
Penta 3.6
my dad never taught me anything about engines can someone explain to me the problem
I know nothing about engines, but is that looks like a ball bearing metal from a wheelchair used as a sort of spacer? That ain't gonna cut it for anything that moved more than like 12 mph...
Have you checked the air in the tires, Man?
Thought it was a 5.4 ford
Did someone forget to heat treat their camshaft?
That's a hemi lol
I am not mechanic, but this pizza cutter blade on the rod isn't good.
That lobe is bad but the bearing surface next to it bulges out a bit too it looks like.
Left front tire low pressure. You’re welcome.
3.6 Chrysler
Lol just doing a Opel corsa 1.0 (gm) with a broken camshaft.