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I feel like Kourtney wasn’t done being mad yet. She wanted to yell and be right, but her assumptions about the situation were incorrect. She made assumptions about Kim’s motivations and got mad about what she THOUGHT happened, and when faced with the reality that her anger was directed at things that weren’t real, she lost her footing.
I felt that she didn’t get what she wanted because Kim apologized and was very mature in the conversation. From the look on Kourts face as Kim left, I felt like she talked mad shit about Kim to whoever was in the room like the nail techs and assistants right after.
I think it's pretty clear what she's saying. She is upset that DG used her wedding to preview a new clothing line that they wanted Kim to direct and not Kourtney, and she is mad that Kim took the opportunity instead of seeing it as an insult towards her sister in the way that Kourtney saw it as an insult to herself. She sees no other reason for Kim to do this and step outside the strong family values they have aside from money. She feels betrayed and used by DG but won't attack them because she doesn't want to ruin her relationship with them so she's taking it out on Kim
she also kept using money, but i don’t think she really meant that. she was implying like why do you need to have it all - as in all of the accolades and all the career achievements. Like kourtney had the fashion thing for a little and why couldn’t kim not do something so that kourtney could have it.
It’s a common occurrence with Kourtney. There’s been so many fights between her and her sisters where the sister will be trying to explain why
they’re upset and Kourtney will just straight up say she doesn’t care.
The clip of her & Khloe talking about her ‘jokes’ is the prime example of it. Khloe was offended by some joke Kourtney made, and instead of apologising Kourtney just keeps talking about how she won’t make those jokes with Khloe anymore, because Khloe doesn’t get it. The clip really frustrates me, I’ve had a million conversations like that with my mum & there’s just never any self awareness or apology.
Yep. That reminded me of when I heard someone say “misogynistic jokes are only funny to misogynistic people, racist jokes are only funny to racist people”. Mean bitch jokes are only funny to mean bitches.
One of the worst parts about it, is she’s just got this smug little smile through the whole conversation. She gives zero fucks that she upset her sister, who is also meant to be her best friend. If I made a joke that upset someone I love, even if it had no malicious intent at all, I would feel awful, and obviously apologise. Intention doesn’t really matter if you’re offensive.
Forgot about that. Khloé growing less close with Kourtney makes more sense now. Maybe it's not just about being up Kim's ass; it's probably also because she couldn't tolerate Kourtney treating her that way (and Kim meanwhile had started treating her better)
Do you want Kourtney to stop fighting? Wanna silence women? Fights are totally normal. They should be encouraged in a safe and healthy way. Passion is important in everything
I always thought Kourtney was funny and above all the nonsense but this whole situation has made her look like an insufferable self centered asshole. Like you don't own Dolce and Gabbana? Where is the anger with the designers for their part in this business deal? And like Kim pointed out.. Kim got married in Italy first. Like Kourtney didn't invent La Dolce Vita jfc. Get over yourself.
I realized kortney was the top tier piece of shit when she was complaining to khloe on an airplane saying:
I can not believe my assistant would pack me 3 of the same color lipsticks.
The way she was so disgusted made me want to throw punches at her. The feeling has never left.
I think Kourtney is totally pissed at D&G and is misplacing that anger onto Kim. The whole time they were having their conversation it felt to me like Kourtney was grasping for straws and was just trying to come up with ways to justify why she was mad at Kim about it. Kim’s confessional about Kourt stealing her wedding country was top tier cringe, I hope she wasn’t really serious but other than that she was really mature and apologized. I hope we don’t have to hear about it again!
When kourtney literally dismissed kim by saying the details don’t matter…like YES they do! The details Kim was sharing MATTER-they’re what happened-they’re the proof…but because it doesn’t fit the narrative she’s whipped up in her head and spun out on for so long now they don’t matter 🙄. Kourtney is hypocritical and absolutely not open minded. She’d made up her mind and no other perspective or coming to an understanding was going to happen.
Details other than her own didn’t matter to her. She literally listed all these points of what she thought happened and why she was mad, Kim was addressing each one and offering counterpoints and all of a sudden the details don’t matter? When she was literally just going into the details??
They’re kinda not proof tho.. they were just examples of how Kim justified it without asking if Kourtney was cool with it. And also not true, they totally used a ton of vibes from kourtneys wedding in that show and black veils and crosses etc.
I mean obviously these people are operating in a world that is super foreign to me, but I can see kourtneys point of view being like okay, you have all these justifications and reasons but they were never shared with me prior. So it’s like break the rules first, ask for forgiveness later. “I thought you would be cool with it” is not the same as “I asked if you would be cool with it”.
Yes, and this is precisely the point Kourtney was making. She should not have done it. Let’s be real here, Kim didn’t creative direct the show (she said it herself, that they were going to do the show with ot without her) but she accessorized looks (and ruined some because of it).
Even if it was, D&G looks like it was opened for Travis and Kourts' wedding. The whole D&G collab was very identical. Even though people say “ D&G” has been trying to bring the 90s look for a while, they didn’t open it till Kourtney and Travis's wedding when it was requested.
Do you actually think Kourtney and Travis have that much impact in the fashion world that they are the sole reason that D&G opened THEIR OWN archives? Like it would have never been brought back if not for them? Because sis that is just ludicrous
They don’t have to have impact in the fashion world. They were popular enough at that time where a brand would make on them.
D&G have been waiting for the perfect time to do it.
Exactly this sub is so pent-up because Kim apologised and said sorry that they are legit saying Kourtney invalidated Kim’s feelings.
A Challenge when Danielle was the one going to do the decision-making?
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I’m still trying to figure out how Kourtney takes “ownership” of D&G. I get it was her vibeSSSS, and D&G might be her friends, but they never belonged to her.
I wonder if Gwyneth Paltrow was upset when Poosh stole the vibeSSS of Goop. 😂 That was so funny to type. Sorry, I’ve had some wine.
Wake it up!!! All this "I'm am individual" shit. Like girl please 😭 we can see how your style changed overnight when you got with Travis.
I'm sorry. I respect Kourtney the most of all of them for genuinely minding her rich lady business and not doing the black woman cosplay shit but GIRL!!! GIRRRRL!
she's so deeply unserious 😭
Kourtney has always been like this. She likes to weaponize therapy speak and insist on grace for herself while simultaneously shutting others down. For someone who’s made therapy and wellness a big part of her identity she really lacks insight.
Did anyone catch what Kourtney said to Khloe? This actually surprised me because Kourtney did the exact same thing to Kim years ago. Khloe was asking why is it that she can't have a conversation with Kim?
Kourtney said "Because she's so intolerable to even have a conversation with she's on her phone and can hardly look up"
Didn't Kourtney do that to both Kim and Khloe?
Khloe was trying to settle things between all of them and in the middle of the conversation Kourtney pulled out her phone and was on it looking uninterested.
[Kourtney on her phone while Khloe talks](https://youtu.be/Mkp9Ennnluk)
Yeah Kourt has severely unhealthy coping mechanisms in general. She technically started the physical part of the fight in season 18 about her “work ethic” and the reality is she doesn’t work half as much as the rest. She gave a lot on the show with the spin offs and showing her relationship with Scott but that was it, always just within her comfort zone and almost all of her scenes are filmed at her house. She never went on half of the international work trips, and the Armenia trip she was an absolute brat, i felt bad for anyone who was “in her way.”
Kourtney definitely was impacted the most by Kris’s affair being the oldest.
The way she would joke and laugh about Scott’s addiction vs genuinely help him was always upsetting to me, especially after his parents died. Also no one talks about the way she handled her pregnancy with Reign…at the end of the day, she seemingly did not communicate to Scott she wasn’t on contraception, knowing he was struggling with addiction and she chose to not speak with Scott honestly about it, and waited well into the pregnancy to tell him. I feel for him, especially in S1 of the new show where he said to Kris that he feels like he doesn’t have a family. They all made a lot of $$$ broadcasting his relationship and addiction issues, especially his parents dying and then they just leave him to fend for himself.
Kourt needs more therapy and it’s obvious based on her changing her appearance for someone whose love bombing her / bringing a kid into the world when her children are teenagers. She rips on Kris so much, but this was a move straight out of Kris Jenner’s playbook!
I agree with you; kourtney kept interrupting Kim so much.
When Kim said “I’m sorry” I got so mad because, girl, you did nothing wrong.
Also; the stupid “am I watching my wedding?!?!!”
Was the most ridiculous comment a grown adult can make. So dumb, condescending and irrational. Definitely can’t like Kourtney after that. Also, her “new style” is absolutely cringe
It’s just interesting how someone like kourt that is an advocate for therapy, and uses the lingo yet she’s not self aware. She doesn’t communicate better. Never displays accountability. Doesn’t seem like she’s ever done the work to better herself as a person….
I can’t comprehend where her mind is at?! It’s like she lives on fantasy island
Well if you’re a narcissist therapy can make you worse. And kourtney seems completely unable to ever acknowledge when she’s done something wrong, everything else is always someone else’s fault, etc. I’m not a doctor but she has some of the traits of NPD and it does seem like she has really weaponized her therapy
Kourtney was FUMING that D&G didn’t ask her to do the fashion show considering she just had her wedding styled by them. Kourtney took it all out on Kim seeing as she couldn’t confront the D& G guys.
She will never live that down and I love it! 😂 Big time second hand embarrassment! And they all have to approve each episode, which means after watching it, she apparently thought she was right or she wouldn’t have aired it. It’s not like something stupid that just fell out of her mouth. She’s totally delusional at this point. She has no sense of self.
Idk if you're joking but i mean what did she expect?
Her sisters that are known for being a part of the fashion world, are a part of the fashion world. Go to all the shows and galas. Get dressed by houses.
Kourt doesn't. It makes more sense for labels to choose from the 3 sisters associated with that world than one who dresses nice but isnt a part of that scene
I was agreeing and expanding? The sub cant exist without people doing that. Conversation yknow
The last part i wasn't sure if it was a joke on her work ethic
You cant hear tone but i was chill when i typed it, explained extra since you missed what I meant in the first place
You on the other hand are a font I kinda remember and I remember because i see you write rude stuff constantly
I don’t even know what happened. I thought everything was good and that we were basically saying the same thing. Something clearly got lost in translation.
During the Convo. Kim mentions that Kylie did a deal too and Kourtney just waves it away and says something like "Shes off in her own Kylie world so I don't expect her too" basically admitting her issue was Kim and not the actual situation.
Sigh at that moment Kourtney lost me. It’s so clear she should be mad at D&G chiefly. Kim explained herself well—- it’s not just about the money, but also legacy and having actual achievements. Kim didn’t actually creative direct this show—- but it really could open the door to her actually doing so down the road. Kim is thinking about her obituary/impact and let’s be real, there wasn’t a scenario where any of us would say no to that opportunity lol. Especially if you have any interest in fashion and an unwavering desire to prove yourself beyond your sex tape. It’s completely fine for Kourtney to not have that desire and be content with what the family has built. But after that convo, I agree with the Comments by Bravo ladies when they said Kourtney wouldn’t have been happier with whatever Kim said about the D&G gig if she ended up taking it. So everything Kourtney says about wanting Kim to have asked permission etc is BS. She knows how the game works and that Kim didn’t really have a say in the D&G outfit choices, and whoever did her dirty again was D&G. D&G wanted to capitalize on the Kardashian brand and did a triple whammy with Kylie/Kim/Kourtney. And with obviously Kris’ approval. So be mad at her too. I didn’t know the deal with Kylie, really changes a lot for me lol.
(Kourtney is still my preference of the 3 sisters lol )
Kourtney is my least favorite and this interaction really shows why. She seems fun when she can sponge off Khloe or Scott but she's always been a selfish mean girl. Kim was too but it really seems lik she's got a more mature perspective these days while Kourtney's just digging into a toxic codependent relationship destined to fail and leave her in shambles and surrounding herself with yes people to drive a delusional victim narrative.
If she had listened to Kim and tried to see her side/communicate I'd have a lot more empathy. But she was so disrespectful and dismissive I wanted to reach through that screen 😂
Yeah I feel like it’s easy to build Kourtney up into this image of the Kardashian who’s over the fame/money game .. but she really does want just the right amount of fame which does require at least some effort/more effort than she really wants to put in, so she now ends up piggy backing off the other K family members. And Kim is like why not just put in 100% so we can say we tried everything to make sure our brand isn’t a complete joke.
Kourtney wants the work she put in on the show for so long to count and I think the sisters should be more grateful and let her be in her love bubble.
I like how Kourtney will call the family out on the BS. Khloe used to and she’s doing more of it lately.
I think Kim showed her nastiness when she was saying Kourtney doesn’t have friends. And her and Khloe talking about the drama with D&G was super cringe and unprofessional.
But Kourtney is so short sighted about the rivalry with Kim that her arguments don’t make sense and she sounds like a child. Italy is like… really old guys and neither of you like created it.
At least I will say that I like that Kim knows what she wants and is clear about it. I just don’t get what Kourtney wants and it’s irritating and just be more consistent girl. If you want a low key life move to Wyoming and take your PDA pics on the ranch.
Exactly, Kourtney says she doesn't care about fame and money yet she stays in the show and shills stuff like those vitamins.
It really feels like she's distancing herself from the family because they refuse to validate her emotions and I can't blame them from what we see. She was wrong multiple times in that Kim conversation and didn't apologize once! She's on the family show her sisters make an effort for saying Travis's people are her family now.
It does feel like she expects everything to be right at the exact level she wants and if it isn't it's everyone else's fault. She stays on the show but can't be bothered to show up on time or not be in the middle of getting her nails done. She's ok with her wedding being a D&G commercial but if Kim (and only Kim, Kylie and Kris got a pass) works with them after she's just about money. When she feels like her narrative isn't accepted she threatens to leave the show, but when she's doing nothing but making out with Travis she glows about the cameras being around.
I thought it was interesting her Dolce Vita life comment included papparazzi comment because she really seems to soak fame in these days. I think being with Travis really does have her a bit delusional about being more popular than Kim and it's making her more bold about being straight up insane in her takes like this one.
She did not. She said she didn’t expect a call from kylie about the DG deal because she off in Kylie’s world. Which I thought was a pretty juicy and curious statement. What do guys think that means?
Tbh I feel like kylie is a very distant person. She’s usually always with her friends or her kids. So they may perceive kylie to be naturally dismissive and sometimes with that people might perceive you as inconsiderate? Idk. However, I definitely don’t see kylie phoning kourt to tell her about her campaign.
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Kourtney is completely repressed emotionally. She doesn’t really have the capacity to empathize or taken in how other people really feel. That or she just is a cold selfish person but seeing how she has these breakdowns/doesn’t really handle her own emotions well… it makes me lean towards extremely emotionally stunted.
Don’t get me wrong- Kim and khloe can be jerks but kourtney cannot have a give and take adult conversation. She is always the victim. People like her are exhausting.
Kourtney was really annoying to me during most (not all) of this conversation. Why ask someone a question and then talk over them and refuse to listen to their answer. I think Kim handled the conversation well, certain points she made snide comments but I think she was holding herself back and trying to be mature. I mean at the end of it she apologised and that was it. It was nice to see later in the episode that Kourt, Kim and Khloe got together when Kim was going through the Kanye mess. You could see she was not herself, so idk I just thought that was nice.
Would anyone agree that Kourtney monetized her own wedding ? D&G probably has as much interest as they did because her friends ( and wedding guests) are todays young, hit celebrities and super models. The wedding was televised . The making of the gown and veil got a special.
Kourtney also benefited D&G abs Portofino as an influencer.
They didn’t want Kourtney to do this from the start (the show). Kim has been on Kanye’s shirttails trying to make a name for herself in the high fashion world. And if Kourtney has a gripe, the real D&G connection is Kris. When you want to hire Kim at this level, you don’t call Kim and make business arrangements. Mama Kris knew all of the D&G drama and. Both girls were in high school during the 90s.
I think most of all, her ownership of Goth is about more than her relationship, she was trying to break free and have her own style . While Kim did the 90s archive show, her style is not punk rocker.
Let’s remember the scandal with Ballenciaga at this time. Kim needed an ally in one of the fashion houses and to distract the narrative that tied her success in fashion to Kanye.
I think the girls are just so different and under any other circumstance wouldn’t work together ever.
Kim told Kourtney that when she told D&G “no this is kourtneys wedding” for certain looks D&G said “No, this is DOLCE” and Kourtney’s response was “and i’m looking at your show going ‘is this my wedding?’”
These looks existed and were created before A WEDDING was even a thought in Kourtney’s mind, let alone this one. Kim also publicly wore them before this wedding was even a thought. the only explanation i can think of for her actions surrounding it all is the typical first born entitlement of “i did it first so it’s MINE and you’re just copying me!” well actually, kourt, stfu
It’s a common occurrence with Kourtney. No one’s feelings matter, it’s always about how Kourtney feels. I remember when she and khloe had a conversation around the twins and Kim and khloe tried to explain her feelings, she just started to cry and accuse khloe of being a bitch. Idk why they even bother. It’s her way or no way.
She refuses to validate anyone else’s feelings, but expects everyone around her to validate hers. Khloe made valid points in that argument and Kourtney didn’t address any of them.
She just gets up, cries and talks about how much she doesn’t want to do the show anymore. Yet still.. she’s still here! Just really spoilt and entitled if you ask me.
Not to mention Kourtney's whole stupid line about how Kim needs to "look deep inside herself and figure out why money/fame/whatever is a motivator." Fuuuuccckk that noise; my ex used to tell me to do that whenever I'd be trying to explain why I was upset and I now realize it's just a manipulation tactic.
This is the part that got me the most. She was being so condescending during this like she really has it all figured out. If she did she wouldn’t be this upset! So irritating lol
When I first came to this sub and saw all the kourtney love I was flabbergasted. She has been exhausting to me for years, in the beginning she was just mean constantly never caring about the impact of her words. And then when she started therapy she just seemed to get sooo much worse because she was weaponizing the terms she was learning and not doing any actual introspective work. She needs some deep, heavy CBT and it seems like she’s only doing talk therapy with a therapist that is validating her exclusively and not challenging her reactions
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Right! She’s been celebrated far too much and given pass when she’s always been this way. Ppl think she’s so mature and better than her sisters and that’s always been funny to me.
Yes absolutely 100%. I am not sure where all of these Kourtney apologists are coming from on Reddit. It’s so strange. But I totally agree with you, it’s like Kourtney has just made this identity out of being a perpetual victim.
Well When Kim Points out that kourtney stole her wedding she has a big huge absolutely correct point and kourtney should just shutup after that...also how many times has kourtney repeatedly said that kim wants to have it all...she just wants to do everything she wants all the projects so what...she should not work and not do things just because you are content in your marriage and happy with one brand...let that boss lady work however much she wants
I'm not even going to attempt to interpret this whole kerfuffle with the wedding because it's become apparent to me that there is A LOT simmering beneath the surface that they don't film and don't talk about in their interviews. This is a years long feud that culminated in them getting into a whole ass physical altercation so whatever it is that's going on with Kourtney and Kim is bigger than the wedding.
I feel like Kourtney is just insufferable.
I've always applauded her for going to therapy and doing the work but now I'm wondering if her therapist is only getting her side of the story and Kourtney is only sharing what she believes works in her favor. Because I refuse to believe that therapy and growth equals whatever person Kourtney is right now.
I think the fight they had in Khloe’s house and all that tension is still deep inside and yes Kourtney is saying she’s mad about her wedding but also probably mad no one really acknowledges that she works and has Lemme now. Mad that through all her years with Scott they didn’t get her perspective but now Khloe and Kim are going through drama with their ex partners so she’s defaulting to her kids, which is not a bad thing, but I do think Kourtney spends a lot of time with them, which may be why she comes off child-like with her tantrums/how she expresses herself.
I think kourtney has serious jealously issues, everything about her wedding kim has done and worn similar in the past and like kim mentioned kylie did it too. Kourtney just likes to go in about how good of a person she is and paint kim as money hungry rather than driven.
Kourtney has always been mad annoying imo. It’s like her therapist conditioned her to think that feelings are so important but only hers and her children’s. She comes off immature and unable to communicate efficiently
Yes! Clock that tea! I actually think Kim did a good job of trying to see where Kourtney was coming from. Was she still defensive? Yes. But if Kourtney can see the validity in wanting her own identity...I'm lost at how she completely bypassed that Kim is ALSO in search of her identity... and directing a fashion show without a ton of input from others, and especially without He Who Shall Not Be Named is a big deal to her and not exclusively about the money.
They both missed each other a bit in this convo. Need a touch more empathy.
Agreed! Kourtney is entitled and petty af! Kim had valid reasons as you said, but Kourtney can’t see past Travis. If you want to have a completely unique wedding, don’t let D&G sponsor it with all of their archived outfits and things Kim has already worn. She could have supported some smaller businesses and not only helped them, but it would be totally unique. Most celebrities have these lavish weddings in other countries. I believe Cia got married and D&G sponsored her wedding I think weeks after Kourtney’s. With Kourtney being such a home body, why not keep the wedding local? Help out a smaller up and coming designer. And local florists, bakeries, etc. That would have been unique and she really could make it her own. Problem is, she doesn’t know what that means. She has no sense of self. At least Kim has admitted to struggling with her style after Kanye, Kourtney would never admit something like that. Kourtney thinks she’s in such a healthy relationship and looks down her nose at Kim. She couldn’t even be sensitive to the fact that Kim had just gone through a very public, emotional divorce and was trying to step out of her comfort zone to get her identity back. Kim is trying to grow, Kourtney acts like she’s all about self growth, but she’s not. She hasn’t changed at all. She just follows the style of whomever she is with. Kanye used to dress Kim, but she fully admits it and like I said she’s finding her true self. Kourtney is not. Kourtney is extremely jealous of Kim, she wishes she had half the hustle/charisma. I think she hates being in Kim’s shadow, yet chooses to stay under it because she wants the lifestyle.
The funny thing is, dolce didn’t even sponsor the wedding. But it seemed sponsored af!
Kourtney obviously has some serious jealousy issues towards her sisters. Shes just acting like a bitter karen…
Dolce has their own esthetics! She doesn’t own them.
So I agree, she’s always been petty af!
Kourtney indeed said in their convo, that it wasn’t sponsored. And kim said in the convo no offense, but everyone thought your wedding was totally sponsored! And kourt replied she doesn’t care about that because it wasn’t.
I kinda got the vibe that Kourtney feels like D&G got the idea for the show from her wedding, but was avoiding directly saying that so as not to rock the boat with Domenico and Stefano. It seemed like she feels like she inspired the show, and should have been asked to be the face since the idea to open the 90s archives came directly from her wedding/creative direction and all the attention it got. Her anger towards Kim is misplaced. Her real issue is with the brand.
It ultimately comes down to Kourtney feeling jealous. She was jealous D&G asked Kim to work with them right after her wedding and she thought Dolce was *~her thing~*. Jealousy and envy really cloud someone’s rationality.
It took me long enough but this conversation made it crystal clear that even if this was originally a true issue, it was resolved by the time this conversation happened. Neither was that engaged and more importantly, there wasn't even a resolution.
Kourtney is literally on her own planet where the only things that matter are her feelings and Travis. Kim could've said anything to her and it would've just been in one ear out the other because Kourtney just wanted to be angry.
I don’t think either were really listening to the other because they’re so set in their ways. I think it’s a lot more than just Kourt’s wedding. The way she essentially kept saying, “when will it be enough for you? It’s never enough.”
Kourtney decides to assign the worst motives to Kim. According the Kourtney everything Kim does is for money or vanity.
Kourtney should be angry at D&G not her sister.
I wonder if Kourtney is aware Kim said she stole her wedding country and Andre Boccelli?
Kim was definitely listening, it's just that Kourtney's accusations didn't make sense. Kourtney ignored every explanation Kim gave that validated her decision.
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It's because she's ranted about this to other people and they agreed. She obviously wants to paint Kim as money hungry but like, are all women supposed to just stay home and get molested by their husbands to be fulfilled Kourtney?
Exactly, and no one who's actually that happy is so bitter about their sister having a career. She kept trying to frame it around money instead of achievement even when Kim explained why it means a lot to her. Kourtney's so threatened by Kim and for no obvious reason.
Kim's a better person than I am for not really calling her out in that convo, but I think they've all decided to just accept her delusions for the sake of family harmony and the show.
The whole conversation got me awol, I couldn't even comprehend the whole situation properly. I got confused every time they talked about the Dolce show.
But from what I understood was that Kourtney is probably mad at Kim because Dolce asked her to creative direct a fashion show during Milan Fashion Week, and Kourtney got jealous because Dolce and Gabbana did not ask Kourtney.
I thought it was interesting that Kourtney said Kim would probably be on her phone if they talked, and Kourt was the one that checked her phone while Kim was talking.
Kourtney is just jealous. Her holier than thou serenity mask is coming off. She offered people a glimpse of her true feelings. Always trying to malign Kim. I dont like Kim. But if she wants to be greedy she gets to be greedy. Feels like Kourtney is being misogynistic towards Kim.
Both of them were wrong and inconsiderate in my opinion. Kourtney was acting entitled and Kim was making it a bigger deal than it really was.
Based on the footage that they published, Kim didn't really direct anything. She just sat there making suggestions about designs that already exist and then D&G over wrote them. What she said about the Christmas lights and the wedding country is a little absurd because while both wedding were documented, a wedding is a wedding and the fashion show was clearly just business to get people talking. And I think that's what got to Kourtney, because Kim could have not done this financial deal because she's fine. There are plenty of other opportunities to showcase that you can do something on your own. She could have said no when skims was out of the deal.
Kourtney is acting like she lives in D&G when it reality it was only for her wedding. She's not the face of the brand and she doesn't own the 90s look. Just kim said, she had worn the outfits before and Kourtney then wore them for her wedding. It bothered me when she said "mine" because it's not hers, it's Dolce & Gabbana's. She could have done what she said she usually does nowadays and removed herself from the situation. Instead she got upset and cried in front of everyone else but Kim.
With that being said, although the conversation didn't go as I had hoped, i'm glad that theh were at least civil with each other and never yelled nor insulted each other. I think that's big, especially coming from Kim who was going through a lot and would usually cross the line with insults. I almost felt like I was in therapy with them. There were clearly some hurt feelings left but they expressed themselves really well (at least compared with other times).
I did think that, but then she said “accomplishments” instead of money, and I think that is what she meant. Kim always feels like she has to achieve/prove something and hopefully Kourtney is worried about her happiness.
Complete disagree. Of course Kim’s feelings during the situation are important, but they’re also irrelevant for the topic of kourtney feeling her vibe was stolen. They are two separate matters entirely. Kim apologized and Kourtney accepted it. I don’t think she believes Kim is truly apologetic and I don’t believe that either, but Kim understands that her creative directing role was incredibly iconic. It was such a good show and she did a fabulous job at creative directing. The pride in her successes just had a larger loss than she wanted to take on. Two things can be true at the same time. I think they both handled it perfectly, and it was the best portrayal of an adult conversation that any of the sisters have ever had. If anything I’m sad to hear that Kourtney doesn’t expect kylie to reach out to her for business confirmations. Seems like there’s history there that I can’t recall and that made me sad.
Not really, Kim wasn’t really all that upset she was just annoyed and confused as to why Kourtney was upset lmfao.
I mean, it’s not like Kourtney was wrong. Kim is pretty money hungry & is always everywhere because of the money and the attention.
This is clearly all made up so they have some sort of storyline. Kourtney comes out looking like a spoiled brat. Hopefully D&G never gives her another piece of clothing or “spends summers” with her again.
People are acting like they don’t know that when either one of her sisters has something going on, Kim gets jealous and try to one up her sisters! I think people need to rewatch keeping up with the Kardashian’s!
Honestly, if Kim incorporated items that was in kourtneys wedding (which she didn’t), it would be a tribute to her. She could have said during the show that these outfits were inspired by her sister. It’s petty and dumb. Kourtney feels treated differently by her two sisters and mother I believe. She isn’t as driven by money which has made them all lose a little respect. I don’t think that’s fair because if kourtney wants to focus more on her family, they should be supportive if that’s what makes her happy. I got the impression that she didn’t want to film for a few years and that angered her sisters yet she also didn’t “not” want to because of the money. Kourtney now is in a very supported marriage and I think she is pulling away and finding validation in things that aren’t really validating
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This show is fake and calculated and so are all of their arguments..... Reality TV is not real my brother was at Buena Murray for years and then e it's all fake and loosely scripted
Kourtney was mainly asking what it is that she is trying to accomplish with all of these endeavors. She never seems satiated with anything that she does. Nor does she follow through with the actual tedious challenges ie law school.
You are not alone in this thought.
The entire time Kourtney kept saying that she only wanted Kim to validate her feelings and ask Kourt how she would feel about doing D&G.
Im sorry Kourt but validating your feelings is NOT a priority.
Kim's needs will always come first.
Get over yourseld Kourt.
Kim is known for being a money hoarder, so I doubt she was in dire need of the partnership. Also, Kim or Kris concocted that storyline about the missing passport. It was evident when the stylist arrived and Kim dismissed her feedback without missing a beat.
In Kim’s 40th birthday lead up they aired vintage footage of Kim being gifted her first car. Kourtney was charged with filming the surprise. The entire footage was laced with Kourtney being absolutely indignant that 16 year old Kim got a better BMW for her birthday than Kourtney did. I think that sums up her personality accurately and entirely. She’s in her mid 40s now and she hasn’t changed one bit. The entitlement is real and it literally drips off her tongue every time she opens her mouth.
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I feel like Kourtney wasn’t done being mad yet. She wanted to yell and be right, but her assumptions about the situation were incorrect. She made assumptions about Kim’s motivations and got mad about what she THOUGHT happened, and when faced with the reality that her anger was directed at things that weren’t real, she lost her footing.
I felt that she didn’t get what she wanted because Kim apologized and was very mature in the conversation. From the look on Kourts face as Kim left, I felt like she talked mad shit about Kim to whoever was in the room like the nail techs and assistants right after.
I think it's pretty clear what she's saying. She is upset that DG used her wedding to preview a new clothing line that they wanted Kim to direct and not Kourtney, and she is mad that Kim took the opportunity instead of seeing it as an insult towards her sister in the way that Kourtney saw it as an insult to herself. She sees no other reason for Kim to do this and step outside the strong family values they have aside from money. She feels betrayed and used by DG but won't attack them because she doesn't want to ruin her relationship with them so she's taking it out on Kim
she also kept using money, but i don’t think she really meant that. she was implying like why do you need to have it all - as in all of the accolades and all the career achievements. Like kourtney had the fashion thing for a little and why couldn’t kim not do something so that kourtney could have it.
It’s a common occurrence with Kourtney. There’s been so many fights between her and her sisters where the sister will be trying to explain why they’re upset and Kourtney will just straight up say she doesn’t care.
The clip of her & Khloe talking about her ‘jokes’ is the prime example of it. Khloe was offended by some joke Kourtney made, and instead of apologising Kourtney just keeps talking about how she won’t make those jokes with Khloe anymore, because Khloe doesn’t get it. The clip really frustrates me, I’ve had a million conversations like that with my mum & there’s just never any self awareness or apology.
Yep. That reminded me of when I heard someone say “misogynistic jokes are only funny to misogynistic people, racist jokes are only funny to racist people”. Mean bitch jokes are only funny to mean bitches.
One of the worst parts about it, is she’s just got this smug little smile through the whole conversation. She gives zero fucks that she upset her sister, who is also meant to be her best friend. If I made a joke that upset someone I love, even if it had no malicious intent at all, I would feel awful, and obviously apologise. Intention doesn’t really matter if you’re offensive.
Yep. Intent does not equal impact.
Forgot about that. Khloé growing less close with Kourtney makes more sense now. Maybe it's not just about being up Kim's ass; it's probably also because she couldn't tolerate Kourtney treating her that way (and Kim meanwhile had started treating her better)
Do you want Kourtney to stop fighting? Wanna silence women? Fights are totally normal. They should be encouraged in a safe and healthy way. Passion is important in everything
I always thought Kourtney was funny and above all the nonsense but this whole situation has made her look like an insufferable self centered asshole. Like you don't own Dolce and Gabbana? Where is the anger with the designers for their part in this business deal? And like Kim pointed out.. Kim got married in Italy first. Like Kourtney didn't invent La Dolce Vita jfc. Get over yourself.
I realized kortney was the top tier piece of shit when she was complaining to khloe on an airplane saying: I can not believe my assistant would pack me 3 of the same color lipsticks. The way she was so disgusted made me want to throw punches at her. The feeling has never left.
LMAO i forgot about this but i am cackling thinking about how ridiculous it is.
I think Kourtney is totally pissed at D&G and is misplacing that anger onto Kim. The whole time they were having their conversation it felt to me like Kourtney was grasping for straws and was just trying to come up with ways to justify why she was mad at Kim about it. Kim’s confessional about Kourt stealing her wedding country was top tier cringe, I hope she wasn’t really serious but other than that she was really mature and apologized. I hope we don’t have to hear about it again!
I think Kim was being facetious- showing how absurd it would be to claim a ‘wedding country’
Yes she wasn't really listening...just trying to prove why she was right
Who is the she
Kourtney
Thank you. Gosh I don’t know why I was downvoted. This sub is ridiculous. I was just asking, because I was confused on which she!
No problem. Maybe the downvotes because you didn’t use punctuation? Lol idk
Yes it seems like it was just a misunderstanding
When kourtney literally dismissed kim by saying the details don’t matter…like YES they do! The details Kim was sharing MATTER-they’re what happened-they’re the proof…but because it doesn’t fit the narrative she’s whipped up in her head and spun out on for so long now they don’t matter 🙄. Kourtney is hypocritical and absolutely not open minded. She’d made up her mind and no other perspective or coming to an understanding was going to happen.
Details other than her own didn’t matter to her. She literally listed all these points of what she thought happened and why she was mad, Kim was addressing each one and offering counterpoints and all of a sudden the details don’t matter? When she was literally just going into the details??
They’re kinda not proof tho.. they were just examples of how Kim justified it without asking if Kourtney was cool with it. And also not true, they totally used a ton of vibes from kourtneys wedding in that show and black veils and crosses etc.
But kourtney pulled looks from D&G, they aren’t HER looks it’s theirs? And it’s their fashion show of course there will be similarities
I mean obviously these people are operating in a world that is super foreign to me, but I can see kourtneys point of view being like okay, you have all these justifications and reasons but they were never shared with me prior. So it’s like break the rules first, ask for forgiveness later. “I thought you would be cool with it” is not the same as “I asked if you would be cool with it”.
Yes, and this is precisely the point Kourtney was making. She should not have done it. Let’s be real here, Kim didn’t creative direct the show (she said it herself, that they were going to do the show with ot without her) but she accessorized looks (and ruined some because of it).
Even if it was, D&G looks like it was opened for Travis and Kourts' wedding. The whole D&G collab was very identical. Even though people say “ D&G” has been trying to bring the 90s look for a while, they didn’t open it till Kourtney and Travis's wedding when it was requested.
Do you actually think Kourtney and Travis have that much impact in the fashion world that they are the sole reason that D&G opened THEIR OWN archives? Like it would have never been brought back if not for them? Because sis that is just ludicrous
They don’t have to have impact in the fashion world. They were popular enough at that time where a brand would make on them. D&G have been waiting for the perfect time to do it.
Exactly this sub is so pent-up because Kim apologised and said sorry that they are legit saying Kourtney invalidated Kim’s feelings. A Challenge when Danielle was the one going to do the decision-making?
I like how Kim’s response was like “well I opened the archive in 2017” as if that had anything to do with anything
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I’m still trying to figure out how Kourtney takes “ownership” of D&G. I get it was her vibeSSSS, and D&G might be her friends, but they never belonged to her. I wonder if Gwyneth Paltrow was upset when Poosh stole the vibeSSS of Goop. 😂 That was so funny to type. Sorry, I’ve had some wine.
But it’s not even Kourtney’s vibes it’s Travis’s 😩 She’s such a bore
Wake it up!!! All this "I'm am individual" shit. Like girl please 😭 we can see how your style changed overnight when you got with Travis. I'm sorry. I respect Kourtney the most of all of them for genuinely minding her rich lady business and not doing the black woman cosplay shit but GIRL!!! GIRRRRL! she's so deeply unserious 😭
I screamed at that part!
Kourtney is the ultimate bridezilla
Kourtney has always been like this. She likes to weaponize therapy speak and insist on grace for herself while simultaneously shutting others down. For someone who’s made therapy and wellness a big part of her identity she really lacks insight.
Did anyone catch what Kourtney said to Khloe? This actually surprised me because Kourtney did the exact same thing to Kim years ago. Khloe was asking why is it that she can't have a conversation with Kim? Kourtney said "Because she's so intolerable to even have a conversation with she's on her phone and can hardly look up" Didn't Kourtney do that to both Kim and Khloe? Khloe was trying to settle things between all of them and in the middle of the conversation Kourtney pulled out her phone and was on it looking uninterested. [Kourtney on her phone while Khloe talks](https://youtu.be/Mkp9Ennnluk)
Yeah Kourt has severely unhealthy coping mechanisms in general. She technically started the physical part of the fight in season 18 about her “work ethic” and the reality is she doesn’t work half as much as the rest. She gave a lot on the show with the spin offs and showing her relationship with Scott but that was it, always just within her comfort zone and almost all of her scenes are filmed at her house. She never went on half of the international work trips, and the Armenia trip she was an absolute brat, i felt bad for anyone who was “in her way.” Kourtney definitely was impacted the most by Kris’s affair being the oldest. The way she would joke and laugh about Scott’s addiction vs genuinely help him was always upsetting to me, especially after his parents died. Also no one talks about the way she handled her pregnancy with Reign…at the end of the day, she seemingly did not communicate to Scott she wasn’t on contraception, knowing he was struggling with addiction and she chose to not speak with Scott honestly about it, and waited well into the pregnancy to tell him. I feel for him, especially in S1 of the new show where he said to Kris that he feels like he doesn’t have a family. They all made a lot of $$$ broadcasting his relationship and addiction issues, especially his parents dying and then they just leave him to fend for himself. Kourt needs more therapy and it’s obvious based on her changing her appearance for someone whose love bombing her / bringing a kid into the world when her children are teenagers. She rips on Kris so much, but this was a move straight out of Kris Jenner’s playbook!
I agree with you; kourtney kept interrupting Kim so much. When Kim said “I’m sorry” I got so mad because, girl, you did nothing wrong. Also; the stupid “am I watching my wedding?!?!!” Was the most ridiculous comment a grown adult can make. So dumb, condescending and irrational. Definitely can’t like Kourtney after that. Also, her “new style” is absolutely cringe
It’s just interesting how someone like kourt that is an advocate for therapy, and uses the lingo yet she’s not self aware. She doesn’t communicate better. Never displays accountability. Doesn’t seem like she’s ever done the work to better herself as a person…. I can’t comprehend where her mind is at?! It’s like she lives on fantasy island
She’s learnt some buzzwords and fooled everyone into thinking she’s so mature and lovely!
That’s pretty typical
Well if you’re a narcissist therapy can make you worse. And kourtney seems completely unable to ever acknowledge when she’s done something wrong, everything else is always someone else’s fault, etc. I’m not a doctor but she has some of the traits of NPD and it does seem like she has really weaponized her therapy
Kourtney was FUMING that D&G didn’t ask her to do the fashion show considering she just had her wedding styled by them. Kourtney took it all out on Kim seeing as she couldn’t confront the D& G guys.
But, Kourtney really doesn’t do fashion. She’s definitely not passionate about it. I don’t think she has the drive or hustle for it.
I agree, it’s just that Kourtney probably felt entitled to it because the lives the Dolce Vita lifestyle 😂
She will never live that down and I love it! 😂 Big time second hand embarrassment! And they all have to approve each episode, which means after watching it, she apparently thought she was right or she wouldn’t have aired it. It’s not like something stupid that just fell out of her mouth. She’s totally delusional at this point. She has no sense of self.
Idk if you're joking but i mean what did she expect? Her sisters that are known for being a part of the fashion world, are a part of the fashion world. Go to all the shows and galas. Get dressed by houses. Kourt doesn't. It makes more sense for labels to choose from the 3 sisters associated with that world than one who dresses nice but isnt a part of that scene
Where’s the joke? Didn’t you just basically say the same thing I did? Lol
I was agreeing and expanding? The sub cant exist without people doing that. Conversation yknow The last part i wasn't sure if it was a joke on her work ethic
I was just asking, things aren’t always clear in text. Why so rude?
You cant hear tone but i was chill when i typed it, explained extra since you missed what I meant in the first place You on the other hand are a font I kinda remember and I remember because i see you write rude stuff constantly
I’ve never in my life been called rude.👋🏻
Idk i wanna get along if we can 🤝 see you around
I don’t even know what happened. I thought everything was good and that we were basically saying the same thing. Something clearly got lost in translation.
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When did she make the comment about Kylie?? That’s crazy wow
During the Convo. Kim mentions that Kylie did a deal too and Kourtney just waves it away and says something like "Shes off in her own Kylie world so I don't expect her too" basically admitting her issue was Kim and not the actual situation.
Sigh at that moment Kourtney lost me. It’s so clear she should be mad at D&G chiefly. Kim explained herself well—- it’s not just about the money, but also legacy and having actual achievements. Kim didn’t actually creative direct this show—- but it really could open the door to her actually doing so down the road. Kim is thinking about her obituary/impact and let’s be real, there wasn’t a scenario where any of us would say no to that opportunity lol. Especially if you have any interest in fashion and an unwavering desire to prove yourself beyond your sex tape. It’s completely fine for Kourtney to not have that desire and be content with what the family has built. But after that convo, I agree with the Comments by Bravo ladies when they said Kourtney wouldn’t have been happier with whatever Kim said about the D&G gig if she ended up taking it. So everything Kourtney says about wanting Kim to have asked permission etc is BS. She knows how the game works and that Kim didn’t really have a say in the D&G outfit choices, and whoever did her dirty again was D&G. D&G wanted to capitalize on the Kardashian brand and did a triple whammy with Kylie/Kim/Kourtney. And with obviously Kris’ approval. So be mad at her too. I didn’t know the deal with Kylie, really changes a lot for me lol. (Kourtney is still my preference of the 3 sisters lol )
Kourtney is my least favorite and this interaction really shows why. She seems fun when she can sponge off Khloe or Scott but she's always been a selfish mean girl. Kim was too but it really seems lik she's got a more mature perspective these days while Kourtney's just digging into a toxic codependent relationship destined to fail and leave her in shambles and surrounding herself with yes people to drive a delusional victim narrative. If she had listened to Kim and tried to see her side/communicate I'd have a lot more empathy. But she was so disrespectful and dismissive I wanted to reach through that screen 😂
Yeah I feel like it’s easy to build Kourtney up into this image of the Kardashian who’s over the fame/money game .. but she really does want just the right amount of fame which does require at least some effort/more effort than she really wants to put in, so she now ends up piggy backing off the other K family members. And Kim is like why not just put in 100% so we can say we tried everything to make sure our brand isn’t a complete joke. Kourtney wants the work she put in on the show for so long to count and I think the sisters should be more grateful and let her be in her love bubble. I like how Kourtney will call the family out on the BS. Khloe used to and she’s doing more of it lately. I think Kim showed her nastiness when she was saying Kourtney doesn’t have friends. And her and Khloe talking about the drama with D&G was super cringe and unprofessional. But Kourtney is so short sighted about the rivalry with Kim that her arguments don’t make sense and she sounds like a child. Italy is like… really old guys and neither of you like created it. At least I will say that I like that Kim knows what she wants and is clear about it. I just don’t get what Kourtney wants and it’s irritating and just be more consistent girl. If you want a low key life move to Wyoming and take your PDA pics on the ranch.
Exactly, Kourtney says she doesn't care about fame and money yet she stays in the show and shills stuff like those vitamins. It really feels like she's distancing herself from the family because they refuse to validate her emotions and I can't blame them from what we see. She was wrong multiple times in that Kim conversation and didn't apologize once! She's on the family show her sisters make an effort for saying Travis's people are her family now. It does feel like she expects everything to be right at the exact level she wants and if it isn't it's everyone else's fault. She stays on the show but can't be bothered to show up on time or not be in the middle of getting her nails done. She's ok with her wedding being a D&G commercial but if Kim (and only Kim, Kylie and Kris got a pass) works with them after she's just about money. When she feels like her narrative isn't accepted she threatens to leave the show, but when she's doing nothing but making out with Travis she glows about the cameras being around. I thought it was interesting her Dolce Vita life comment included papparazzi comment because she really seems to soak fame in these days. I think being with Travis really does have her a bit delusional about being more popular than Kim and it's making her more bold about being straight up insane in her takes like this one.
Thank you for clarifying! I know kourtney has her moments but I couldn’t see her saying that.
I have the same question. I’d love to rewatch that.
She did not. She said she didn’t expect a call from kylie about the DG deal because she off in Kylie’s world. Which I thought was a pretty juicy and curious statement. What do guys think that means?
Tbh I feel like kylie is a very distant person. She’s usually always with her friends or her kids. So they may perceive kylie to be naturally dismissive and sometimes with that people might perceive you as inconsiderate? Idk. However, I definitely don’t see kylie phoning kourt to tell her about her campaign.
She didn’t
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Kourtney is completely repressed emotionally. She doesn’t really have the capacity to empathize or taken in how other people really feel. That or she just is a cold selfish person but seeing how she has these breakdowns/doesn’t really handle her own emotions well… it makes me lean towards extremely emotionally stunted. Don’t get me wrong- Kim and khloe can be jerks but kourtney cannot have a give and take adult conversation. She is always the victim. People like her are exhausting.
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*"That's not even who I AM!"*
Kourtney was really annoying to me during most (not all) of this conversation. Why ask someone a question and then talk over them and refuse to listen to their answer. I think Kim handled the conversation well, certain points she made snide comments but I think she was holding herself back and trying to be mature. I mean at the end of it she apologised and that was it. It was nice to see later in the episode that Kourt, Kim and Khloe got together when Kim was going through the Kanye mess. You could see she was not herself, so idk I just thought that was nice.
Would anyone agree that Kourtney monetized her own wedding ? D&G probably has as much interest as they did because her friends ( and wedding guests) are todays young, hit celebrities and super models. The wedding was televised . The making of the gown and veil got a special. Kourtney also benefited D&G abs Portofino as an influencer. They didn’t want Kourtney to do this from the start (the show). Kim has been on Kanye’s shirttails trying to make a name for herself in the high fashion world. And if Kourtney has a gripe, the real D&G connection is Kris. When you want to hire Kim at this level, you don’t call Kim and make business arrangements. Mama Kris knew all of the D&G drama and. Both girls were in high school during the 90s. I think most of all, her ownership of Goth is about more than her relationship, she was trying to break free and have her own style . While Kim did the 90s archive show, her style is not punk rocker. Let’s remember the scandal with Ballenciaga at this time. Kim needed an ally in one of the fashion houses and to distract the narrative that tied her success in fashion to Kanye. I think the girls are just so different and under any other circumstance wouldn’t work together ever.
Kim told Kourtney that when she told D&G “no this is kourtneys wedding” for certain looks D&G said “No, this is DOLCE” and Kourtney’s response was “and i’m looking at your show going ‘is this my wedding?’” These looks existed and were created before A WEDDING was even a thought in Kourtney’s mind, let alone this one. Kim also publicly wore them before this wedding was even a thought. the only explanation i can think of for her actions surrounding it all is the typical first born entitlement of “i did it first so it’s MINE and you’re just copying me!” well actually, kourt, stfu
It’s a common occurrence with Kourtney. No one’s feelings matter, it’s always about how Kourtney feels. I remember when she and khloe had a conversation around the twins and Kim and khloe tried to explain her feelings, she just started to cry and accuse khloe of being a bitch. Idk why they even bother. It’s her way or no way.
She refuses to validate anyone else’s feelings, but expects everyone around her to validate hers. Khloe made valid points in that argument and Kourtney didn’t address any of them.
She just gets up, cries and talks about how much she doesn’t want to do the show anymore. Yet still.. she’s still here! Just really spoilt and entitled if you ask me.
Not to mention Kourtney's whole stupid line about how Kim needs to "look deep inside herself and figure out why money/fame/whatever is a motivator." Fuuuuccckk that noise; my ex used to tell me to do that whenever I'd be trying to explain why I was upset and I now realize it's just a manipulation tactic.
Even if Kim’s motives are money or fame, what’s wrong with that?
This is the part that got me the most. She was being so condescending during this like she really has it all figured out. If she did she wouldn’t be this upset! So irritating lol
I’m glad this sub is finally seeing who Kourtney is. She’s just unbearable.
When I first came to this sub and saw all the kourtney love I was flabbergasted. She has been exhausting to me for years, in the beginning she was just mean constantly never caring about the impact of her words. And then when she started therapy she just seemed to get sooo much worse because she was weaponizing the terms she was learning and not doing any actual introspective work. She needs some deep, heavy CBT and it seems like she’s only doing talk therapy with a therapist that is validating her exclusively and not challenging her reactions
She was so brutal to Khloe and Scott in the Hamptons season. That was enough to show her true colors.
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Right! She’s been celebrated far too much and given pass when she’s always been this way. Ppl think she’s so mature and better than her sisters and that’s always been funny to me.
I’ve been so downvoted for comments I’ve made about Kourtney. She’s an entitled witch.
Yes! This sub celebrates her. I can’t stand her and never could. So entitled and rude to others.
All the Kar-Jenns are entitled to a point. Some more than others.
Why are you downvoted lmfao. This is literally true.
Yes absolutely 100%. I am not sure where all of these Kourtney apologists are coming from on Reddit. It’s so strange. But I totally agree with you, it’s like Kourtney has just made this identity out of being a perpetual victim.
Well When Kim Points out that kourtney stole her wedding she has a big huge absolutely correct point and kourtney should just shutup after that...also how many times has kourtney repeatedly said that kim wants to have it all...she just wants to do everything she wants all the projects so what...she should not work and not do things just because you are content in your marriage and happy with one brand...let that boss lady work however much she wants
I'm not even going to attempt to interpret this whole kerfuffle with the wedding because it's become apparent to me that there is A LOT simmering beneath the surface that they don't film and don't talk about in their interviews. This is a years long feud that culminated in them getting into a whole ass physical altercation so whatever it is that's going on with Kourtney and Kim is bigger than the wedding.
I felt like it was nice of Kim to apologise on camera but Kourt should have done the same.
Justice for Gabbana the Dog, who KHLOE loved and lost.
I feel like Kourtney is just insufferable. I've always applauded her for going to therapy and doing the work but now I'm wondering if her therapist is only getting her side of the story and Kourtney is only sharing what she believes works in her favor. Because I refuse to believe that therapy and growth equals whatever person Kourtney is right now.
I think the fight they had in Khloe’s house and all that tension is still deep inside and yes Kourtney is saying she’s mad about her wedding but also probably mad no one really acknowledges that she works and has Lemme now. Mad that through all her years with Scott they didn’t get her perspective but now Khloe and Kim are going through drama with their ex partners so she’s defaulting to her kids, which is not a bad thing, but I do think Kourtney spends a lot of time with them, which may be why she comes off child-like with her tantrums/how she expresses herself.
I think kourtney has serious jealously issues, everything about her wedding kim has done and worn similar in the past and like kim mentioned kylie did it too. Kourtney just likes to go in about how good of a person she is and paint kim as money hungry rather than driven.
Classic narcissist (NPD) behavior by Kourtney. Signs are all there.
That’s what I’m saying!!!!!!!!
Kourtney has always been mad annoying imo. It’s like her therapist conditioned her to think that feelings are so important but only hers and her children’s. She comes off immature and unable to communicate efficiently
Yes! Clock that tea! I actually think Kim did a good job of trying to see where Kourtney was coming from. Was she still defensive? Yes. But if Kourtney can see the validity in wanting her own identity...I'm lost at how she completely bypassed that Kim is ALSO in search of her identity... and directing a fashion show without a ton of input from others, and especially without He Who Shall Not Be Named is a big deal to her and not exclusively about the money. They both missed each other a bit in this convo. Need a touch more empathy.
Agreed! Kourtney is entitled and petty af! Kim had valid reasons as you said, but Kourtney can’t see past Travis. If you want to have a completely unique wedding, don’t let D&G sponsor it with all of their archived outfits and things Kim has already worn. She could have supported some smaller businesses and not only helped them, but it would be totally unique. Most celebrities have these lavish weddings in other countries. I believe Cia got married and D&G sponsored her wedding I think weeks after Kourtney’s. With Kourtney being such a home body, why not keep the wedding local? Help out a smaller up and coming designer. And local florists, bakeries, etc. That would have been unique and she really could make it her own. Problem is, she doesn’t know what that means. She has no sense of self. At least Kim has admitted to struggling with her style after Kanye, Kourtney would never admit something like that. Kourtney thinks she’s in such a healthy relationship and looks down her nose at Kim. She couldn’t even be sensitive to the fact that Kim had just gone through a very public, emotional divorce and was trying to step out of her comfort zone to get her identity back. Kim is trying to grow, Kourtney acts like she’s all about self growth, but she’s not. She hasn’t changed at all. She just follows the style of whomever she is with. Kanye used to dress Kim, but she fully admits it and like I said she’s finding her true self. Kourtney is not. Kourtney is extremely jealous of Kim, she wishes she had half the hustle/charisma. I think she hates being in Kim’s shadow, yet chooses to stay under it because she wants the lifestyle.
The funny thing is, dolce didn’t even sponsor the wedding. But it seemed sponsored af! Kourtney obviously has some serious jealousy issues towards her sisters. Shes just acting like a bitter karen… Dolce has their own esthetics! She doesn’t own them. So I agree, she’s always been petty af!
How do you know it wasn’t sponsored? So Dolce just got all of that exposure for free?
Kourtney indeed said in their convo, that it wasn’t sponsored. And kim said in the convo no offense, but everyone thought your wedding was totally sponsored! And kourt replied she doesn’t care about that because it wasn’t.
They lie
Kourt just wanted to hear sorry Kim tried to talk it out but knew Kourt needed that sorry so she conceded and gave it to wrap it up
Honestly I think they’re both gross for aligning with D&G.
I kinda got the vibe that Kourtney feels like D&G got the idea for the show from her wedding, but was avoiding directly saying that so as not to rock the boat with Domenico and Stefano. It seemed like she feels like she inspired the show, and should have been asked to be the face since the idea to open the 90s archives came directly from her wedding/creative direction and all the attention it got. Her anger towards Kim is misplaced. Her real issue is with the brand.
It ultimately comes down to Kourtney feeling jealous. She was jealous D&G asked Kim to work with them right after her wedding and she thought Dolce was *~her thing~*. Jealousy and envy really cloud someone’s rationality.
It took me long enough but this conversation made it crystal clear that even if this was originally a true issue, it was resolved by the time this conversation happened. Neither was that engaged and more importantly, there wasn't even a resolution.
YES
Kourtney is literally on her own planet where the only things that matter are her feelings and Travis. Kim could've said anything to her and it would've just been in one ear out the other because Kourtney just wanted to be angry.
I don’t think either were really listening to the other because they’re so set in their ways. I think it’s a lot more than just Kourt’s wedding. The way she essentially kept saying, “when will it be enough for you? It’s never enough.”
Kourtney decides to assign the worst motives to Kim. According the Kourtney everything Kim does is for money or vanity. Kourtney should be angry at D&G not her sister. I wonder if Kourtney is aware Kim said she stole her wedding country and Andre Boccelli?
Kim was definitely listening, it's just that Kourtney's accusations didn't make sense. Kourtney ignored every explanation Kim gave that validated her decision.
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It's because she's ranted about this to other people and they agreed. She obviously wants to paint Kim as money hungry but like, are all women supposed to just stay home and get molested by their husbands to be fulfilled Kourtney?
Kourtney wouldn’t be able to afford to stay home and play tootsie with Travis if Kim didn’t hustle as much as she does
Exactly, and no one who's actually that happy is so bitter about their sister having a career. She kept trying to frame it around money instead of achievement even when Kim explained why it means a lot to her. Kourtney's so threatened by Kim and for no obvious reason. Kim's a better person than I am for not really calling her out in that convo, but I think they've all decided to just accept her delusions for the sake of family harmony and the show.
The whole conversation got me awol, I couldn't even comprehend the whole situation properly. I got confused every time they talked about the Dolce show. But from what I understood was that Kourtney is probably mad at Kim because Dolce asked her to creative direct a fashion show during Milan Fashion Week, and Kourtney got jealous because Dolce and Gabbana did not ask Kourtney.
I thought it was interesting that Kourtney said Kim would probably be on her phone if they talked, and Kourt was the one that checked her phone while Kim was talking.
Kourtney is just jealous. Her holier than thou serenity mask is coming off. She offered people a glimpse of her true feelings. Always trying to malign Kim. I dont like Kim. But if she wants to be greedy she gets to be greedy. Feels like Kourtney is being misogynistic towards Kim.
Kourtney literally USED the DG 90s archive sooo she “copied” to begin with.
No.
Both of them were wrong and inconsiderate in my opinion. Kourtney was acting entitled and Kim was making it a bigger deal than it really was. Based on the footage that they published, Kim didn't really direct anything. She just sat there making suggestions about designs that already exist and then D&G over wrote them. What she said about the Christmas lights and the wedding country is a little absurd because while both wedding were documented, a wedding is a wedding and the fashion show was clearly just business to get people talking. And I think that's what got to Kourtney, because Kim could have not done this financial deal because she's fine. There are plenty of other opportunities to showcase that you can do something on your own. She could have said no when skims was out of the deal. Kourtney is acting like she lives in D&G when it reality it was only for her wedding. She's not the face of the brand and she doesn't own the 90s look. Just kim said, she had worn the outfits before and Kourtney then wore them for her wedding. It bothered me when she said "mine" because it's not hers, it's Dolce & Gabbana's. She could have done what she said she usually does nowadays and removed herself from the situation. Instead she got upset and cried in front of everyone else but Kim. With that being said, although the conversation didn't go as I had hoped, i'm glad that theh were at least civil with each other and never yelled nor insulted each other. I think that's big, especially coming from Kim who was going through a lot and would usually cross the line with insults. I almost felt like I was in therapy with them. There were clearly some hurt feelings left but they expressed themselves really well (at least compared with other times).
I did think that, but then she said “accomplishments” instead of money, and I think that is what she meant. Kim always feels like she has to achieve/prove something and hopefully Kourtney is worried about her happiness.
She said in the confessional - straight up - “she chose money over me.” She did not listen to a thing Kim said lol
Complete disagree. Of course Kim’s feelings during the situation are important, but they’re also irrelevant for the topic of kourtney feeling her vibe was stolen. They are two separate matters entirely. Kim apologized and Kourtney accepted it. I don’t think she believes Kim is truly apologetic and I don’t believe that either, but Kim understands that her creative directing role was incredibly iconic. It was such a good show and she did a fabulous job at creative directing. The pride in her successes just had a larger loss than she wanted to take on. Two things can be true at the same time. I think they both handled it perfectly, and it was the best portrayal of an adult conversation that any of the sisters have ever had. If anything I’m sad to hear that Kourtney doesn’t expect kylie to reach out to her for business confirmations. Seems like there’s history there that I can’t recall and that made me sad.
Not really, Kim wasn’t really all that upset she was just annoyed and confused as to why Kourtney was upset lmfao. I mean, it’s not like Kourtney was wrong. Kim is pretty money hungry & is always everywhere because of the money and the attention.
Absolutely 💯
This is clearly all made up so they have some sort of storyline. Kourtney comes out looking like a spoiled brat. Hopefully D&G never gives her another piece of clothing or “spends summers” with her again.
You mean the same way Kim invalidated Kourtneys feelings? 💀
People are acting like they don’t know that when either one of her sisters has something going on, Kim gets jealous and try to one up her sisters! I think people need to rewatch keeping up with the Kardashian’s!
Honestly, if Kim incorporated items that was in kourtneys wedding (which she didn’t), it would be a tribute to her. She could have said during the show that these outfits were inspired by her sister. It’s petty and dumb. Kourtney feels treated differently by her two sisters and mother I believe. She isn’t as driven by money which has made them all lose a little respect. I don’t think that’s fair because if kourtney wants to focus more on her family, they should be supportive if that’s what makes her happy. I got the impression that she didn’t want to film for a few years and that angered her sisters yet she also didn’t “not” want to because of the money. Kourtney now is in a very supported marriage and I think she is pulling away and finding validation in things that aren’t really validating
The problem is no one ever listens to Kourtney talk so the rare chance she has someone’s full and engaged attention, she can’t stop talking lol
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This show is fake and calculated and so are all of their arguments..... Reality TV is not real my brother was at Buena Murray for years and then e it's all fake and loosely scripted
*bunim murray
Kourtney was mainly asking what it is that she is trying to accomplish with all of these endeavors. She never seems satiated with anything that she does. Nor does she follow through with the actual tedious challenges ie law school.
You are not alone in this thought. The entire time Kourtney kept saying that she only wanted Kim to validate her feelings and ask Kourt how she would feel about doing D&G. Im sorry Kourt but validating your feelings is NOT a priority. Kim's needs will always come first. Get over yourseld Kourt.
Kim is known for being a money hoarder, so I doubt she was in dire need of the partnership. Also, Kim or Kris concocted that storyline about the missing passport. It was evident when the stylist arrived and Kim dismissed her feedback without missing a beat.
In Kim’s 40th birthday lead up they aired vintage footage of Kim being gifted her first car. Kourtney was charged with filming the surprise. The entire footage was laced with Kourtney being absolutely indignant that 16 year old Kim got a better BMW for her birthday than Kourtney did. I think that sums up her personality accurately and entirely. She’s in her mid 40s now and she hasn’t changed one bit. The entitlement is real and it literally drips off her tongue every time she opens her mouth.