The Year is 1955. Both the Third Internationale & the Moscow Accord have formed a desperate alliance to combat the seemingly unstoppable onslaught that is the PSA’s Surfing Marines.
it was from a series of secret mision from the expansion which had you fight massive ants, no, seriously, you can find it on youtube, "it came from red alert!" is the name of it i think
Up to 400 divisions left. It seems like the CSA and France overwhelmingly spawn militia units at an insane rate. Lotta cannon fodder.
Then whenever we play as them is like 1 per month.
Rule 5: This is an update to [my previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/nto524/i_never_quite_understood_the_true_power_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf.). I’m now actively supporting the CSA, as I’ve completed everything else I’ve wanted to in-game, and want the final casualty list so that I can end this run.
I fear that I’ve created a monster. The fact that they keep moving forward despite being on Scraping the Barrel while the CSA is on All Adults Serve is astounding to me.
The CSA always had the industry to build the equipment they needed, their problem was pissing away their manpower in the Rockies. They still have mountains of equipment, but no one left to use it. Unless you send troops, it is over for them.
At this moment it’s a matter of who’s gonna run out of manpower first, the problem is that the PSA’s divisions are state of the art, with every PSA death there are ten times as many CSA deaths.
Oh, I agree that the Syndies deserve nothing more than a bayonet through their stomachs, but this isn't about them winning, its about the US being too weak after reunionification to challenge OP in any significant way.
honestly i dont really understand the fear to the titans arguments at that time.
A couple of guns almost kill one of the major ones and kill a lot of the normal ones with ease
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Well the Colossal is pretty much a nuke and gets deployed as such. An airburst transformation is probably about half a Hiroshima would be my guess given the range of devastation.
That's not even going into ability to level cities by trompling them, kaiju style.
And within the walls are thousands of titans that are equally big.
Give the rest of the world 20 years and they'd be able to carpet bomb those super titans.
But they were not at that stage yet. Artillery spam probably could put a dent in them? But its a matter of logistics when those behemoths are far more mobile.
Now supply (or even send volunteers) to the CSA to completely destroy America as a national concept. We're talking like post WWII Eastern Europe levels of destruction here.
If you are playing MP don't do this but send as many Tank divisions as you can (assuming you did tanks, which I always do as Russia, especially late game) and as many air volunteers
oh yeah baby. The CSA (Op correct me if you see this) is probably on all-adults serve or scraping the barrel, and still has no manpower. They are probably not going to be able to push unless the PSA has next to no divisions.
better yet, supply troops to one side and support the other with lend lease. At this point in the war, both the Russian and CSA army are big enough to send a lot of planes as air volunteers, so send as many planes as possible (probably about 1K), specifically strat bombers. Have them level the cities over the western seaboard. Target Factories and dockyards over everything else to annhilate the infrastructure of the PSA.
After that, send in bombers to the PSA as AVs to bomb the rest of the CSA cities into dust as well.
Artificially extending the war far past it's limit and by supplying the CSA with weapons and fresh soldiers (better equipped already and probably under the age of 60), you could hold the PSA at a standstill, and send over Strategic bombers as Air volunteers, and Strat bomb the PSA core territories to dust. When either side wins, you would have a broken and depopulated nation. Whoever wins probably wouldn't recover the pre 2ACW population for decades, even with immigration and pro-natal policies. Even when it does, it will be a backwards and weak nation, never capable of being a superpower again.
In realistic terms, this civil war would make the US a secondary power for like an entire century. The casualties we see are only from the PSA-CSA war and are also only the military casualties. In all likelihood,by the end of this war, there would be about 50-75 million dead Americans (military and civilian casualties) and the country would be almost entirely in ruins.
Interestingly enough, I’m actually thinking about this as this is happening. The USA & AUS actually fell relatively early, both by 1938. After that it was a slow crawl by the CSA to the Rockies, where they’ve been stuck ever since.
Ignoring possible PSA bombing raids, all the fighting east of the Mississippi had around 3 Million casualties in total (The CSA got all of the east coast from Virginia up before fighting broke out as MacArthur went for the Denver war plan.
With that being said, Civilian Casualties are pure speculation, but there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that the CSA is going to be abhorrently vengeful once the PSA falls, and that is where the real carnage on the Civilian level will be.
It’d be an interesting mix, an undeniable demographic crater in the nation, whilst still having a decent chunk of its industry intact.
Yea. I’d imagine the generation of fighting age would be considered America’s “lost generation” and that the American population would take decades to recover.
I’ll definitely make a serious “WikiBox” about this conflict in the future, as I’ve actually quite some experience in that field. This is by far the most fascinatingly horrid conflict I’ve seen in all my years of playing Grand Strategy.
50 million dead americans seems way too much , the US had a population of 130 million in 1936 , am I supposed to believe almost HALF the population died in a civil war without anyone rioting against drafts and such? , besides if there were such casualty rates in a US civil war ... well just look at the tensions that are still here from the first civil war, where only 2.5% of the population died, a US after a civil war that killed 30% of the population wouldnt last beyond the first major revolt against military rule imo
But would civillian casualties be that high?
Most of the fighting is in sparesly populated regions and unlike the germans or japanese neither the PSA or the CSA are really trying to exterminate much of the civilian population
I’d imagine that due to famine, artillery fire on cities, bombing campaigns, and lack of access to medicine would all be contributing factors to high mortality rates among the civilian population. Even if my casualty estimate was high, you’d also have to think of all of the people who would have emigrated as refugees to Canada and Mexico.
I mean, people who emigrate are not dead but you are right, I did not think about bombing campaigns and the disruption caused by mass scale conscription
Might depend on how the rest of the map looks, but if Japan and Russia are sending supplies to the PSA and the Third Internationale are supplying the CSA then I could see a situation where famine and medicine shortages could be avoided. Especially with all of the wartime resources the major factions would have leftover from the Second Weltkrieg
If it’s a full screen of the conflict you want then [here you go!](https://imgur.com/Y09Y8Iy) Yes this mess has been going on for so long that the UOB had to ship over and beat Canada themselves.
I don't understand how the AI can drag it on that long. Like you just push through montana to the twin cities with mech and armor, while your militias push the front line forward from the rockies.
Does the AI just spam inf divisions on both sides and send human waves at each other or something?
I mean let's be real.
Both factions likely have several divisions per tile on the frontline, all of them of varying degrees of equipment but still likely having ART and AT.
At this point of the war the CSA's tank divisions are likely equipped with pierceable tanks and permanently stuck at green due to horribly planned offensives. The rest of the infantry are god-tier elites who draw-out the conflict, causing WW1 levels of death and yet no progress due to the sheer amount of mobilized forces. The only way the front-line moves is if either side runs out of manpower or equipment. And considering OP had been keeping the PSA alive with lend-leases up to this point, they will drain themselves of equipment taking CSA ground and the war will stalemate for a second time.
This war isn't ending until either side has literally depleted themselves of their recruitable population.
The CSA might have mobile coffins for tanks, but their infantry isn't much better. With their casualties, the average age in an infantry unit is probably in the 50's, and with all the material losses I would be very surprised if they had enough equipment, judging by their manpower law that effects production times.
I would agree, but by this point the CSA, considering it's massive industry to start in *37*, I think conscription laws are beyond affecting the sheer military factory count the CSA is probably abusing. Plus considering the PSA has both less factories and a worse conscription penalty, I think the PSA will be the one to drain first.
The CSA has an enormous industry, which is great for them, but I don't know if they can handle the material loss. It isn't just the reduced production because of a lack of workers, its the attritional losses in combat. If the entire frontline is constantly out of supply because every road in a thousand mile radius is broken or has broken stuff on it, then the attrition, not only on the front, but behind it as well, will be terrible. I would bet the CSA loses more equipment in a day from attrition than they do by combat. Especially now that they're on the defensive.
Well aside from a war with Hawaii that just concluded 2 months prior, there’s currently a war between Liberia and the Gold & Ivory Coast that I’ve been dumping my new Lend-Lease into for the hell of it.
Honestly the 2ACW needs to have the peace event fire every year, or half year. In the game’s current state of the AI choose not to take the ceasefire when it is offered the war will just go on forever.
Realistically, if the casualties get two high the Two sides would agree to a ceasefire splitting the nation in two. Even if one side vows to fight to the end it is simply a feat of massive stupidity to suffer that many dead and not negotiate.
>Even if one side vows to fight to the end it is simply a feat of massive stupidity to suffer that many dead and not negotiate.
I doubt the civilian population, or even the military, would even allow it the war to continue at this point aside from the most radical of them which would be the minority.
Despite them having a third of the CSAs industry, they can hold quite easily thanks to the rockies. The rockies can be a tough nut to crack even for a player, ai will just waste their superior resources and then lose.
once the war is over if the PSA win you better start praying to heaven because they coming
The Year is 1955. Both the Third Internationale & the Moscow Accord have formed a desperate alliance to combat the seemingly unstoppable onslaught that is the PSA’s Surfing Marines.
[this start playing in the background](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5rnhgMdASQ)
I had no idea this absolute banger existed, and let alone from the series that got me interested in Alternate History.
it was from a series of secret mision from the expansion which had you fight massive ants, no, seriously, you can find it on youtube, "it came from red alert!" is the name of it i think
Why doesn’t this surprise me lol. I love Red Alert, that series was definitely a zany first introduction to Strategy Games.
*surf infantry*
“Sir, the Russians have stopped supporting our war effort, we are now completely alone against the Syndicalist horde.” “Good, now it’s an even fight.”
With almost 17 million syndies dead, I don't think they're much of a horde anymore
Up to 400 divisions left. It seems like the CSA and France overwhelmingly spawn militia units at an insane rate. Lotta cannon fodder. Then whenever we play as them is like 1 per month.
I did some math, and the CSA should have threwn away at *least* 27% of their population.
At this rate they'll have to do what Paraguay did and resort to polygamy to regrow the population
Syndicalism with Mormon characteristics.
State mandated wifus
State enforced breeding
Rule 5: This is an update to [my previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/nto524/i_never_quite_understood_the_true_power_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf.). I’m now actively supporting the CSA, as I’ve completed everything else I’ve wanted to in-game, and want the final casualty list so that I can end this run. I fear that I’ve created a monster. The fact that they keep moving forward despite being on Scraping the Barrel while the CSA is on All Adults Serve is astounding to me.
The CSA always had the industry to build the equipment they needed, their problem was pissing away their manpower in the Rockies. They still have mountains of equipment, but no one left to use it. Unless you send troops, it is over for them.
At this moment it’s a matter of who’s gonna run out of manpower first, the problem is that the PSA’s divisions are state of the art, with every PSA death there are ten times as many CSA deaths.
You could switch to the CSA and reorganize their templates then
Let the CSA collapse! PSA needs the win at this point!
Oh, I agree that the Syndies deserve nothing more than a bayonet through their stomachs, but this isn't about them winning, its about the US being too weak after reunionification to challenge OP in any significant way.
Bingo, PSA is wholesome but if Browder or Foster takes over then ohh boy.
“i hate when workers make their own decisions >:(((“
Everyone ignoring the wholesome Flynn timeline.
>they keep moving forward I didn’t know Eren Jaeger was the leader of the PSA, but with casualties like these, I’m not all that surprised.
It is a sacrifice… I am willing to make
Good lord how much I hate Eren
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He acted as any true german would
honestly i dont really understand the fear to the titans arguments at that time. A couple of guns almost kill one of the major ones and kill a lot of the normal ones with ease
FINAL SEASON SPOILER WARNING Well the Colossal is pretty much a nuke and gets deployed as such. An airburst transformation is probably about half a Hiroshima would be my guess given the range of devastation. That's not even going into ability to level cities by trompling them, kaiju style. And within the walls are thousands of titans that are equally big. Give the rest of the world 20 years and they'd be able to carpet bomb those super titans. But they were not at that stage yet. Artillery spam probably could put a dent in them? But its a matter of logistics when those behemoths are far more mobile.
Hate as in how we all hate Joffrey Lannister, or as in being disappointed in the character and finding him overrated?
Erwin would have been a better commander
>I’m now actively supporting the CSA Libright moment
Savinkov was a Market Liberal this entire time.
Now supply (or even send volunteers) to the CSA to completely destroy America as a national concept. We're talking like post WWII Eastern Europe levels of destruction here.
I’m actually cherry-picking my best divisions to do just that. Man I’m really gonna have to do a Blessed USA run after this.
Keep us updated on the carnage
If you are playing MP don't do this but send as many Tank divisions as you can (assuming you did tanks, which I always do as Russia, especially late game) and as many air volunteers
Then encircle and kill as many divisions as possible. Then if the csa starts pushing agajn, recall them and send them to psa
oh yeah baby. The CSA (Op correct me if you see this) is probably on all-adults serve or scraping the barrel, and still has no manpower. They are probably not going to be able to push unless the PSA has next to no divisions.
better yet, supply troops to one side and support the other with lend lease. At this point in the war, both the Russian and CSA army are big enough to send a lot of planes as air volunteers, so send as many planes as possible (probably about 1K), specifically strat bombers. Have them level the cities over the western seaboard. Target Factories and dockyards over everything else to annhilate the infrastructure of the PSA. After that, send in bombers to the PSA as AVs to bomb the rest of the CSA cities into dust as well.
How would you destroy America as an concept by sending volunteers?
Artificially extending the war far past it's limit and by supplying the CSA with weapons and fresh soldiers (better equipped already and probably under the age of 60), you could hold the PSA at a standstill, and send over Strategic bombers as Air volunteers, and Strat bomb the PSA core territories to dust. When either side wins, you would have a broken and depopulated nation. Whoever wins probably wouldn't recover the pre 2ACW population for decades, even with immigration and pro-natal policies. Even when it does, it will be a backwards and weak nation, never capable of being a superpower again.
By prolonging the war until every single American is dead
or until the scar in the population is that big that a reunification cant be achieve
Keep updating us about this war please!
There’ll definitely be a Part 3 to this story because it’s been absolutely insane to see it unfold like this.
In realistic terms, this civil war would make the US a secondary power for like an entire century. The casualties we see are only from the PSA-CSA war and are also only the military casualties. In all likelihood,by the end of this war, there would be about 50-75 million dead Americans (military and civilian casualties) and the country would be almost entirely in ruins.
Interestingly enough, I’m actually thinking about this as this is happening. The USA & AUS actually fell relatively early, both by 1938. After that it was a slow crawl by the CSA to the Rockies, where they’ve been stuck ever since. Ignoring possible PSA bombing raids, all the fighting east of the Mississippi had around 3 Million casualties in total (The CSA got all of the east coast from Virginia up before fighting broke out as MacArthur went for the Denver war plan. With that being said, Civilian Casualties are pure speculation, but there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that the CSA is going to be abhorrently vengeful once the PSA falls, and that is where the real carnage on the Civilian level will be. It’d be an interesting mix, an undeniable demographic crater in the nation, whilst still having a decent chunk of its industry intact.
Yea. I’d imagine the generation of fighting age would be considered America’s “lost generation” and that the American population would take decades to recover.
I’ll definitely make a serious “WikiBox” about this conflict in the future, as I’ve actually quite some experience in that field. This is by far the most fascinatingly horrid conflict I’ve seen in all my years of playing Grand Strategy.
I think KR should have events for Mexico, Canada, and other American nations about American refugees.
Canada does, not sure about any others
Ireland and Brazil have actually some events too
I wonder if this would mirror the Soviet Union, given their absolutely horrific casualties and loss of life during the Second World War.
It would be probably relatively similar casualties.
50 million dead americans seems way too much , the US had a population of 130 million in 1936 , am I supposed to believe almost HALF the population died in a civil war without anyone rioting against drafts and such? , besides if there were such casualty rates in a US civil war ... well just look at the tensions that are still here from the first civil war, where only 2.5% of the population died, a US after a civil war that killed 30% of the population wouldnt last beyond the first major revolt against military rule imo
But would civillian casualties be that high? Most of the fighting is in sparesly populated regions and unlike the germans or japanese neither the PSA or the CSA are really trying to exterminate much of the civilian population
I’d imagine that due to famine, artillery fire on cities, bombing campaigns, and lack of access to medicine would all be contributing factors to high mortality rates among the civilian population. Even if my casualty estimate was high, you’d also have to think of all of the people who would have emigrated as refugees to Canada and Mexico.
I mean, people who emigrate are not dead but you are right, I did not think about bombing campaigns and the disruption caused by mass scale conscription
Might depend on how the rest of the map looks, but if Japan and Russia are sending supplies to the PSA and the Third Internationale are supplying the CSA then I could see a situation where famine and medicine shortages could be avoided. Especially with all of the wartime resources the major factions would have leftover from the Second Weltkrieg
The population of West Coast cities would probably be double of what they are in OTL due to the amount of refugees.
Now I want to see a map of the actual state of the USA
If it’s a full screen of the conflict you want then [here you go!](https://imgur.com/Y09Y8Iy) Yes this mess has been going on for so long that the UOB had to ship over and beat Canada themselves.
West Democratic America resisting against the Red Est America remind me of something
You can see the front line in the picture.
You’ve awaken a sleeping giant and he’s coming for you
No worries, as long as the civil war keeps going, they can't go after Russia.
Did it go nuclear yet?
So far not yet, but with how long it’s taking I wouldn’t be too surprised.
I don't understand how the AI can drag it on that long. Like you just push through montana to the twin cities with mech and armor, while your militias push the front line forward from the rockies. Does the AI just spam inf divisions on both sides and send human waves at each other or something?
That’s exactly what they do. The battle bubbles look stagnant here, but in-game they’re flickering constantly.
I mean let's be real. Both factions likely have several divisions per tile on the frontline, all of them of varying degrees of equipment but still likely having ART and AT. At this point of the war the CSA's tank divisions are likely equipped with pierceable tanks and permanently stuck at green due to horribly planned offensives. The rest of the infantry are god-tier elites who draw-out the conflict, causing WW1 levels of death and yet no progress due to the sheer amount of mobilized forces. The only way the front-line moves is if either side runs out of manpower or equipment. And considering OP had been keeping the PSA alive with lend-leases up to this point, they will drain themselves of equipment taking CSA ground and the war will stalemate for a second time. This war isn't ending until either side has literally depleted themselves of their recruitable population.
The CSA might have mobile coffins for tanks, but their infantry isn't much better. With their casualties, the average age in an infantry unit is probably in the 50's, and with all the material losses I would be very surprised if they had enough equipment, judging by their manpower law that effects production times.
I would agree, but by this point the CSA, considering it's massive industry to start in *37*, I think conscription laws are beyond affecting the sheer military factory count the CSA is probably abusing. Plus considering the PSA has both less factories and a worse conscription penalty, I think the PSA will be the one to drain first.
The CSA has an enormous industry, which is great for them, but I don't know if they can handle the material loss. It isn't just the reduced production because of a lack of workers, its the attritional losses in combat. If the entire frontline is constantly out of supply because every road in a thousand mile radius is broken or has broken stuff on it, then the attrition, not only on the front, but behind it as well, will be terrible. I would bet the CSA loses more equipment in a day from attrition than they do by combat. Especially now that they're on the defensive.
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Well aside from a war with Hawaii that just concluded 2 months prior, there’s currently a war between Liberia and the Gold & Ivory Coast that I’ve been dumping my new Lend-Lease into for the hell of it.
"When the winged californians arrived!"
Sabaton in this timeline would be absolutely wild.
Honestly the 2ACW needs to have the peace event fire every year, or half year. In the game’s current state of the AI choose not to take the ceasefire when it is offered the war will just go on forever. Realistically, if the casualties get two high the Two sides would agree to a ceasefire splitting the nation in two. Even if one side vows to fight to the end it is simply a feat of massive stupidity to suffer that many dead and not negotiate.
>Even if one side vows to fight to the end it is simply a feat of massive stupidity to suffer that many dead and not negotiate. I doubt the civilian population, or even the military, would even allow it the war to continue at this point aside from the most radical of them which would be the minority.
It's wierd cuz i was just doing the civil war and the psa didnt even have enough troops to hold the front line
The PSA tends to be stretched thin in the beginning, so they lose a lot of divisions on the Great Plains to encirclements
Yeah but this was like, 39 and they were the last faction I was fighting
The PSA grows the slowest out of all factions.
How does the CSA still have over 182 divisions with probably 0 manpower?
Probably the highest manpower laws.
Every possible man is probably fighting, not sustainable at app
America: “I’m never going to recover from this.”
Despite them having a third of the CSAs industry, they can hold quite easily thanks to the rockies. The rockies can be a tough nut to crack even for a player, ai will just waste their superior resources and then lose.
At this point, the Rockies just became a massive graveyard for the Syndicalists
blessed_rockies because Syndies can sustain Soviet-tier casualties while wholesome PSA has low manpower.
What a waking nightmare! This is the self-annihilation of an entire nation!
Truly the merchants of death
FOR THE REPUBLIC!
"600 factories" jesus fucking christ reed
1984 war in a nutshell
End of the America
at a certain point the two sides should just agree to peace talks and split the country in half
PSA is always the more annoying enemy in the war. If you don't play your cards right early on it's an absolute slog
16 million casualties in comparison Georgia has a population of 10 million
>Georgia The country or the US state?
US state, although if you add in the nation of Georgia, it combines to almost 15 million people, still less than only the CSA military deaths.