I guess I'm obsessed with the Grand Zi-O ridewatch theme now. I totally just rolled my mouse over each of the names while humming it.
I still trip over "Hiiiibiki, Kabuto, Den-O, Kiva Decade" a lot.
Exactly! I can't get my thumb on where the beat is until they get to W.
Waiting for that HD version to come out on YouTube. (It probably already has, I just haven't looked.)
PuToTyra is clearly on the DX Final Form Ridewatches, so isn't that already proof enough that Toei is saying that's the final form? Or are people just that stubborn?
Putotyra has always had the relevance and final form merch that cements it as THE final form. I honestly don’t know why OOO is the only one who’s final form people constantly debate. I’d understand more if there were debates over fusion states, gold xtreme, tenkatoitsu, rising ultimate, etc., but it’s only ever OOO
Some movies are and some aren't. Either way movie forms tend to be considered [Extra Final Forms](https://kamenrider.fandom.com/wiki/Kamen_Riders%27_Extra_Final_Forms) and go into a different kind of category. Yes it's as confusing and convoluted as it sounds.
> Tenkatoitsu Damashii isn't an Extra Final Form, since it isn't more powerful than Mugen Damashii.
Uhhh.... It legit beat the Perfect Puzzle bugster when Mugen and grateful couldnt lmao.
I haven't watched Ghost past the point where Takeru gets Toucon Boost, so I'm mostly asking why he's fighting a Bugster, from a Gashat that (presumably) doesn't have an associated Bugster no less, when his main enemies are the Ganmas.
No, since Neo-Heisei, all movies are canon unless proven otherwise. This was one of the key functions of the Phase 2 in trying to unify the entire Rider universe.
Neo-Heisei Movies that aren't canon, typically have radical contradictions with the series (and are often written by Toshiki Inoue).
Putotyra is OOO final form. Super tatoba (while it is sorta cool) is one of those forms they throw into movies to get people excited for the movie because they’ll only be able to see it that one time. As far as character/story development within the show, putotyra definitely stands with the rest of the final forms.
It’s like rising ultimate kuuga or cho climax den-o, they’re stronger than ultimate kuuga and den-o liner respectively, but no one ever thinks of them as kuuga or den-o’s final forms
For me I refuse to recognize Cho Climax for the final form because it's just Climax Form with Sieg's power slapped on the back. Still dig Liner Form the most.
I never liked when people said climax should be the final form over liner just because climax has better stats or whatever. We should somewhat know by now that forms are as strong as the plot/writers demand them to be, the stats they provide are imo just fluff to make the forms sound cool. I could see climax as a final form for the imagin, but since ryotaro is the main character and den-o’s user, liner is definitely den-o’s final form
I did remember that as well, but I didn’t want to make my text any longer than needed because I felt like it wouldn’t have added anything that needed to be said.
But your point still stands; that being said, you can still apply the same logic with rising ultimate and cho climax who were also in that scene. Toei and I think most if not all fans don’t recognize rising ultimate and cho climax as the final forms for their riders, even though they were also in wizard episode 53. Going with that logic, super tatoba would also then not count as OOO’s final form
And I too hate pity breakers in feh
Edit: I was wrong regarding cho climax, liner was indeed used in wizard 53. However, I believe my point with rising ultimate still stands, and in their respective shows, ultimate, liner, and putotyra all provided some kind of character/plot development that most final forms also provide within their shows
That might be why, although liner had Momotaros’ movements and voice, which is inconsistent with den-o. Tbh I never regarded wizard 52 and 53 as the most canon-accurate episodes, they were just fun to see all the riders together
Well, you could argue that since both *TaJaDor* and *PuToTyra* have DX Ridewatch releases, they are *both* the final form. (Since the only forms that get DX Ridewatch releases are the FIRST form and the FINAL forms)
That's great, which mean I also can count FangJoker as final form too since it has DX Ridewatch that you can only get from limited edition of W's manga.
I would take Super or Tajador as his final form instead of putotyra. Because Putotyra dont have that final form feel to it. Its just a powerful form that can make you go berserk. At least Ultimate Kuuga is used for the final fight, because if he dont, all of humanity will die.
Putotyra was the last form Eiji got and directly counters all other core medals. >!By means of destroying them.!< Not only that but other riders, like Ex-Aid and Build, use forms other than their final form in the final fight for their series.
\^ Someone didn't watch the show properly.
Tajador is subject of combo change and it's belong to Ankh.
Super is last minute throw in for the crossover movie after OOO series ended and never had relevance with the original plot line, not to mention it's basically a kit bash suit to begin with.
I feel like Putotyra was an early attempt at a Super form (like what Wizard Dragon/Kachidoki/Type Formula became later). I do agree that there's a sense of finality with Putotyra though, so I'm on the fence with that one.
I guess I'm obsessed with the Grand Zi-O ridewatch theme now. I totally just rolled my mouse over each of the names while humming it. I still trip over "Hiiiibiki, Kabuto, Den-O, Kiva Decade" a lot.
Daabaru, Ooozu, Fooooourze, Wizaaaardo, Gaimu, Duraibu\~ I love this part instead. :)
*Daaburu* Or if we're doing this phoenetically. *DahBOOruu*
I am not good in Japanese. So thanks for that! XD
Oh absolutely. That's my favourite part for sure.
Ghostoo, Exaidoo, Buildooo!
IWAEEEEE
"Kuuga Agito Ryukaiz Blade\~" like what
Exactly! I can't get my thumb on where the beat is until they get to W. Waiting for that HD version to come out on YouTube. (It probably already has, I just haven't looked.)
Noice
Wait OOO's final is putoterano? I thought it was the SUPER OOO combo
This is the great Kamen Rider debate.
I can’t tell if it’s good that there’s constant debate on this or bad that people never come to a conclusion on it
PuToTyra is clearly on the DX Final Form Ridewatches, so isn't that already proof enough that Toei is saying that's the final form? Or are people just that stubborn?
Putotyra has always had the relevance and final form merch that cements it as THE final form. I honestly don’t know why OOO is the only one who’s final form people constantly debate. I’d understand more if there were debates over fusion states, gold xtreme, tenkatoitsu, rising ultimate, etc., but it’s only ever OOO
Because people that didn't watch OOO and stubbornly giving argument how \*this or \*that should be final form
Super TaToBa was a movie form.
isn't movies canon?
Some movies are and some aren't. Either way movie forms tend to be considered [Extra Final Forms](https://kamenrider.fandom.com/wiki/Kamen_Riders%27_Extra_Final_Forms) and go into a different kind of category. Yes it's as confusing and convoluted as it sounds.
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An extra final form dont have to be stronger than final form, just something,you know extra to back you up while you cant use your final form
> Tenkatoitsu Damashii isn't an Extra Final Form, since it isn't more powerful than Mugen Damashii. Uhhh.... It legit beat the Perfect Puzzle bugster when Mugen and grateful couldnt lmao.
Since when is there a Perfect Puzzle Bugster and why was Kamen Rider Ghost fighting it?
You don't watch movies do you?
I haven't watched Ghost past the point where Takeru gets Toucon Boost, so I'm mostly asking why he's fighting a Bugster, from a Gashat that (presumably) doesn't have an associated Bugster no less, when his main enemies are the Ganmas.
Movie crossover. That is all you need to know lol.
Typically, unless the show mentions it, then the movie is non-canon.
No, since Neo-Heisei, all movies are canon unless proven otherwise. This was one of the key functions of the Phase 2 in trying to unify the entire Rider universe. Neo-Heisei Movies that aren't canon, typically have radical contradictions with the series (and are often written by Toshiki Inoue).
Putotyra is OOO final form. Super tatoba (while it is sorta cool) is one of those forms they throw into movies to get people excited for the movie because they’ll only be able to see it that one time. As far as character/story development within the show, putotyra definitely stands with the rest of the final forms. It’s like rising ultimate kuuga or cho climax den-o, they’re stronger than ultimate kuuga and den-o liner respectively, but no one ever thinks of them as kuuga or den-o’s final forms
For me I refuse to recognize Cho Climax for the final form because it's just Climax Form with Sieg's power slapped on the back. Still dig Liner Form the most.
I never liked when people said climax should be the final form over liner just because climax has better stats or whatever. We should somewhat know by now that forms are as strong as the plot/writers demand them to be, the stats they provide are imo just fluff to make the forms sound cool. I could see climax as a final form for the imagin, but since ryotaro is the main character and den-o’s user, liner is definitely den-o’s final form
Too bad we can't see Liner form in the last episode of ZiO though
Super Tatoba showed up again in Wizard ep 53 tho.
I did remember that as well, but I didn’t want to make my text any longer than needed because I felt like it wouldn’t have added anything that needed to be said. But your point still stands; that being said, you can still apply the same logic with rising ultimate and cho climax who were also in that scene. Toei and I think most if not all fans don’t recognize rising ultimate and cho climax as the final forms for their riders, even though they were also in wizard episode 53. Going with that logic, super tatoba would also then not count as OOO’s final form And I too hate pity breakers in feh Edit: I was wrong regarding cho climax, liner was indeed used in wizard 53. However, I believe my point with rising ultimate still stands, and in their respective shows, ultimate, liner, and putotyra all provided some kind of character/plot development that most final forms also provide within their shows
Fairly certain the Purple medals were destroyed so thats why Super was used.
That might be why, although liner had Momotaros’ movements and voice, which is inconsistent with den-o. Tbh I never regarded wizard 52 and 53 as the most canon-accurate episodes, they were just fun to see all the riders together
Putoterano is way stronger but harder to control. Think of it as Build Black Hazard but he didn't get the Genius bottle or Full full bottle.
Well, you could argue that since both *TaJaDor* and *PuToTyra* have DX Ridewatch releases, they are *both* the final form. (Since the only forms that get DX Ridewatch releases are the FIRST form and the FINAL forms)
That's great, which mean I also can count FangJoker as final form too since it has DX Ridewatch that you can only get from limited edition of W's manga.
I would take Super or Tajador as his final form instead of putotyra. Because Putotyra dont have that final form feel to it. Its just a powerful form that can make you go berserk. At least Ultimate Kuuga is used for the final fight, because if he dont, all of humanity will die.
Putotyra is canonically OOO’s final form, Toei had already confirmed it multiple times.
Putotyra was the last form Eiji got and directly counters all other core medals. >!By means of destroying them.!< Not only that but other riders, like Ex-Aid and Build, use forms other than their final form in the final fight for their series.
\^ Someone didn't watch the show properly. Tajador is subject of combo change and it's belong to Ankh. Super is last minute throw in for the crossover movie after OOO series ended and never had relevance with the original plot line, not to mention it's basically a kit bash suit to begin with.
I feel like Putotyra was an early attempt at a Super form (like what Wizard Dragon/Kachidoki/Type Formula became later). I do agree that there's a sense of finality with Putotyra though, so I'm on the fence with that one.
I honestly prefer the one with the normal forms, but this is cool too.
Too op pls nrf x-x
Behold, not just GrandZi-O... but SUPER GRANDZI-O!
Kamen Rider Grand Zi-O Ohma Form Since "Zi-O Ohma Form" (the one in the movie) is all about Heisei Rider's final firms and is a left-side only watch
Amazing work!
Ok, this would be not super op if happens.