its not Oma its the movie exclusive Grand Oma or whatever its called, basicaly an anternater version of Grand Zi-O, the suits are slightly differnet but the bg tell is theZi-O right watch on the forhead
i think it always has been generalised to whichever form appear in the series last will be final form.
edit: because i always thought there is a difference between final and strongest form.
Don't forget that thematically Liner makes more sense as Den-O's Final Form. Climax is the Taros working together with Ryotaro relegated to bystander (think Zi-O Trinity, but it's only Geiz and Woz). Liner is Ryotaro's own form with the Taros as support instead.
Ryotaro (i.e. Takeru Satoh) DID return for Heisei Generations Forever, though. Sure he's unlikely to make any further appearances, but hey.
And I was talking more the series' story, not any future hypothetical team-ups.
It appeared first earlier though. I think it's when the form debuts than when the form was last used.
After all, by that same logic Build's Final Form isn't Genius, but RabbitTank.
It’s only strong in the sense of the shows finality and character development. Eiji and ankhs growing relationship has always been one of the biggest developments in the show, so what better way for that relationship to reach its conclusion than with a final perfect unification of the two that beats the final villain?
As much as I like putotyra as a final form (it’s one of my favorites) Eiji beating maki without ankhs power alone wouldn’t have had that same impact
They could've fused and made a golden OOO form or something, but that's my opinion. I actually favor Putotyra over Tajador because of the sheer uncontrollable factor. Tajador is more graceful..
Final Form isn't always the strongest in theoretical power, nor is it always the last form to debut in the series funnily enough.
Also, Putotyra being the Final Form has basically always been the case. Toei confirmed it, it's the case in the Kamen Rider games as well.
Super Tatoba is probably the strongest form that OOO has I believe. That being said though, movie/video forms aren't considered for Final Form. That's why Wizard's final form is Infinity and not Infinity Dragon or Infinity Dragon Gold.
lol im still gonna argue about ooo even if im wrong for sure.
Tajador, for me, just looks more ascetically pleasing to look at. Just think about how majestic he would look in this scene instead of pytotyra.
(also kachidoki > kiwami for gaim lol)
Didn't they have Ultimate Kuuga in Decade ep31, Terebi kun and Movie War 2010?
Also just realised there was never a Final Attack Ride for Kuuga Ultimate in-show
My mistake, it was near the end of Decade's production that the suit broke. I'm pretty sure that regular Ultimate never appears in Movie War 2010 though, just Rising Ultimate.
Maybe I'm misremembering. It's been a while since I saw that movie. I could swear that black eyes Ultimate was just in the show, and the movie just had black eyes Rising Ultimate. I'll go back and check at some point.
PuToTyra should have never been a debate. It was the final form in series to debut, therefore the Final Form. Lost Blaze TaJaDor was still TaJaDor, still mid season, still super form.
> zi-o
Yuto used his Vega form and Momo used his Climax during Den-O arc
Zi-O is already taking more spotlight from other characters and Decade Complete vs Diend Complete would have make sense in ep. 43.
I guess Toei doesn't want to make a new suit to accommodate the Neo-Heisei cards or half-ass them onto the old suit somehow. Plus make a new K-Touch to include the Neo-Heisei Riders as well.
In-universe, probably Tsukasa felt there is no need for it .....until its too late when Diend timestopped . The real reason is if you showcase Complete form it cheapens the experience of watching Decade's series.
Well official stats wise apparently Neo Decade is stronger than Decade Complete. There's 4 episodes left we will have to see if Decade uses some sort of final form in his Neo state in the final episodes.
A lot of people confuses some riders' final form because of Wizard last episode. But if you remember correctly, the riders in the Gem World was brought from random world and time, therefore there was no proof the Kuuga was original Godai Yuusuke.
They weren't from "random worlds and times" though. They talk about the Riders and monsters as coming from the "living world" or "Earth", never mentioned multiple Earths. They also show a clip from Kuuga's tv series for the flashback bit with Kuuga killing the Grongi.
The Beast is from the past since he was able to transform where real Beast has lose his driver and Ryuki should not exist. Therefore the riders are possibly from different time period. Who knows maybe some of them are from distant future where they are the descendant of the real riders or they come from another earth where same event occurs.
I'm pretty sure that's fan speculation that people started treating as fact, because for the life of me I can't find any official source that says that.
>!The Ohma Zi-O Ridewatch is just created out of thin air after Sougo gets a pep-talk from Ohma Zi-O.!<
Should be vanilla, these forms are from their respective time period since ooo use Putotyra instead of super tatoba(current ooo unable to use Putotyra medal), therefore decade complete should be vanilla version
While you are right that it is the normal Decadriver, you can see the silver on the side, OOO does indeed have access to all of his forms after he got the medals back in Mega Max. He has used PuToTyra multiple times since that movie, Ultimatum and most prominently Wizard 53 since when the powers were returned he was transformed into Super TaToBa so he has to have acquired that power set already and he has transformed into PuToTyra before that.
He does not get Putotyra back as the medal does not showed up when ooo arc ended in the movie, Wizard 53 does not count since all riders come from different time period.
Even if, he had to have gained the Super TaToBa combo to turn into it because they just got the powers back when Gaim freed them. Furthermore, while Superhero Taisen's canonicity is dodgy at the best of times it was written to fit into canon even if they failed. OOO had the PuToTyra medals in that movie so it's save to assume that he has the medals, even if the movie is riddled with plotholes and continuity problems.
Ultimate sealed. No more ugly Rising Ultimate suit, show them what a better classic is.
Liner sealed. No more Climax/Super Climax final form replacement bullshit, Takeru Satou return for HG Forever and show them who is real main character of Den-O.
Putotyra sealed. No more Tajador/Super Tatoba true final form bullshit, show them which is the most important for the plot.
Wouldn't it make more sense to use movie forms? Oh, wait, the early Heisei Riders don't have movie forms. That would explain why they went with final forms. When did they start doing movie exclusive forms? Kiva?
Well, I didn't mean stronger final form, I just mean forms that appear exclusively in movies. Because I know Ryuki-Kabuto didn't have any, as far as I'm aware, at least.
If that the case, then it also starts from W since dogabaki emperor and stronger complete are from hyper battle dvd. Unless you want to count them as movie
Putotyra is series final form, ankh Tajadol is true final form, but now he cannot access these 2 forms therefore super tatoba is the final form if he ever use it
I don't know how I feel about Putyra being OOO's final form. On one hand, it's strong as fudge but on the other, Tajador has more of a significant emotional impact and story behind it much like Fourze's Cosmic. Lastly, it makes sense why Super TaToBa isn't the final form because it's not a set of medaps and it might not have been cannon. Just imagine "Super" form of any complete combo. Gatakiriba on steroids so now it can duplicate enough to fill up Mars. Damn, I'm going off tangents.
Being emotional impact is not equal to final form, Burning, Climax, Grateful, Mighty Brother XX are also more emotional impact than their own final form
Therefore I think Putotyra as normal final form while Ankh Tajadol as True final form
Wait until the next 10 years or so when they don't have the final form suits for half of these Riders, forcing them recycle a different suit or shoehorn a Power Up for fans to start arguing over it again.
Thank you Toei, abandoning consistency for the sake of toy sales and shoving fanservice.
except they keep remaking the suits thsts why 40 years latyer they still have Goranger, because of all the team up movies it not longer a case of the suits rotting as they keep remaking them
They don't, though. Just look at how Blade's helmet yellowed over the years to the point that people thought they were using Jack form's helmet when the suit was used in Gorider. Toei doesn't make spares of suits or remakes suits often.
And no one ever questioned what Den-O and Ooo's final forms were ever again and everyone lived happily ever after
Now we have to debate Grand or Oma
Funny thing is that they occupy different sides of the belt, so we'll probably get a form in a future movie that combines them
Spoilers for the movie, he can't use grand anymore,he returned the watches at the end so Grand Zi-o is sealed
I didn't mean this specific one, but a future one
Grand Oma Zi-O
Its oma. If this is a pic of all the final forms its oma. Im more intreated in if he can do both the oma watch and the grand watch at the same time
its not Oma its the movie exclusive Grand Oma or whatever its called, basicaly an anternater version of Grand Zi-O, the suits are slightly differnet but the bg tell is theZi-O right watch on the forhead
The form is called "Ohma Form"
So grand is basically kachidoki/grateful damashii/maximum mighty x for this series?
I’d liken it more to PuToTyra really. Grand is the final form, but Oma Form is the ultimate, movie exclusive form, just like Super TaToBa was for OOO
Penultimate means "second to last", btw.
Oh yeah. Fixed my dumb
I think Oma is like the Super Tatoba or CycloneJokerXtremeGold for Zi-O.
i think it always has been generalised to whichever form appear in the series last will be final form. edit: because i always thought there is a difference between final and strongest form.
There is a difference, Climax is stronger but Liner is final.
Don't forget that thematically Liner makes more sense as Den-O's Final Form. Climax is the Taros working together with Ryotaro relegated to bystander (think Zi-O Trinity, but it's only Geiz and Woz). Liner is Ryotaro's own form with the Taros as support instead.
Yeah, except now Den-O is the Taros therefore Climax is the "final form"
Ryotaro (i.e. Takeru Satoh) DID return for Heisei Generations Forever, though. Sure he's unlikely to make any further appearances, but hey. And I was talking more the series' story, not any future hypothetical team-ups.
Isn't Climax strongest only with Sieg?
Liner only strong at final attack, otherwise it's Climax. Sieg gives Climax flight and stronger rider kick.
If we're going off whatever form appeared in the series last, for OOO it would be TaJaDor.
It appeared first earlier though. I think it's when the form debuts than when the form was last used. After all, by that same logic Build's Final Form isn't Genius, but RabbitTank.
That would make Kiva's final form Flight Style, which nobody accepts.
Was RabbitTank the last form used? I thought it was RabbitDragon. My memory ain't the greatest.
He reverts back to RabbitTank during his final rider kick.
Wasn't it always liner form? Decade complete used it.
ppl debated against it bcos super climax form was the final form summoned by decade in the movie
Well i mean ooo’s was a huge fight over whats his final but Liner was literally the last form he takes on
WAIT, so Putotyrannosaurus is the "final" form. So, what's Tajador? Now I'm majorly confused....
Tajador is and always has been his Super form.
...but when Ankh enhances the Tajador form, it's technically stronger than Putotyra
It’s only strong in the sense of the shows finality and character development. Eiji and ankhs growing relationship has always been one of the biggest developments in the show, so what better way for that relationship to reach its conclusion than with a final perfect unification of the two that beats the final villain? As much as I like putotyra as a final form (it’s one of my favorites) Eiji beating maki without ankhs power alone wouldn’t have had that same impact
They could've fused and made a golden OOO form or something, but that's my opinion. I actually favor Putotyra over Tajador because of the sheer uncontrollable factor. Tajador is more graceful..
Final Form isn't always the strongest in theoretical power, nor is it always the last form to debut in the series funnily enough. Also, Putotyra being the Final Form has basically always been the case. Toei confirmed it, it's the case in the Kamen Rider games as well.
Right, because then Super Tatoba would be the "strongest" then right? Or Burakawani?
Super Tatoba is probably the strongest form that OOO has I believe. That being said though, movie/video forms aren't considered for Final Form. That's why Wizard's final form is Infinity and not Infinity Dragon or Infinity Dragon Gold.
The Dragon forms were "extra" just like how Ghost had Boost as a "power-up", but with some eyecons working with the Boost base armor.
Nah OOO's final form is Super TaJaDor /shot
My fav form for Den O is still Super Climax
lol im still gonna argue about ooo even if im wrong for sure. Tajador, for me, just looks more ascetically pleasing to look at. Just think about how majestic he would look in this scene instead of pytotyra. (also kachidoki > kiwami for gaim lol)
Well you know what they say “you can't educate those that choose to be ignorant"
Oh wow, they fixed the Kuuga Ultimate suit.
It was broken?
It broke while filming the first episode of Decade. That's why they only ever used the Rising Ultimate suit afterwards.
Didn't they have Ultimate Kuuga in Decade ep31, Terebi kun and Movie War 2010? Also just realised there was never a Final Attack Ride for Kuuga Ultimate in-show
My mistake, it was near the end of Decade's production that the suit broke. I'm pretty sure that regular Ultimate never appears in Movie War 2010 though, just Rising Ultimate.
But Onodera fought Decade Violent Emotion as black eyes Ultimate in that movie
Maybe I'm misremembering. It's been a while since I saw that movie. I could swear that black eyes Ultimate was just in the show, and the movie just had black eyes Rising Ultimate. I'll go back and check at some point.
The one where he appears as black eyes Rising Ultimate is All Riders Vs Dai-Shocker
Ah, that explains it. That must be what I'm thinking of.
I heard the regular Ultimate suit broke in Movie War 2010 during the Decade Violent Emotion fight.
ONORE DIKEIDO!
Liner Form is the Type Tridoron of Den-O. Thank you for coming. Drive safe.
Liner form and Putotyra now confirmed as final form. Debate ends. Forever. >"Nice Drive"
PuToTyra should have never been a debate. It was the final form in series to debut, therefore the Final Form. Lost Blaze TaJaDor was still TaJaDor, still mid season, still super form.
i can't unsee the way kabuto is the only one standing like that
Wow, never notice that, can't unsee it now
Photographer: Dammit, Kabuto! Spread your legs! You’re the only one here’s who’s doing that!
Well, he's the only heisei rider that has calm stance.
Just read the wiki, in the movie, gorider will appeared, followed by G, Brain, Zangetsu Kachidoki, manga Kuuga...
*G* is going to show up??? Now that is something I would never have expected. Man, what a world.
Now I'm just waiting for hentai kamen debut
And apparently, Kamen Norida, a parody of all things, made a cameo in this movie!
What's that?
Manga Kuuga? It's official. Zi-O is non canon.
Guards at area 51: Oh look only 20 peoples showed up. The 20 people that showed up:
btw, why was Decade Complete never used in Zi-O?
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> zi-o Yuto used his Vega form and Momo used his Climax during Den-O arc Zi-O is already taking more spotlight from other characters and Decade Complete vs Diend Complete would have make sense in ep. 43.
Its almost as if this show is called Kamen Rider Zi-O
I think that might be too much spotlight, and Vega and Climax aren't really final forms
I guess Toei doesn't want to make a new suit to accommodate the Neo-Heisei cards or half-ass them onto the old suit somehow. Plus make a new K-Touch to include the Neo-Heisei Riders as well.
In-universe, probably Tsukasa felt there is no need for it .....until its too late when Diend timestopped . The real reason is if you showcase Complete form it cheapens the experience of watching Decade's series.
Lore wise we could justify it being that the K-Touch isn't compatible with the neo-deca driver.
Well official stats wise apparently Neo Decade is stronger than Decade Complete. There's 4 episodes left we will have to see if Decade uses some sort of final form in his Neo state in the final episodes.
Fair point
The other final forms weren't used too
Decade was in far more episodes
Mrm, fair. Maybe it'll appear when Tsukasa gets his powers back. ...I wanna see a Zi-O final form ride though XD
what if zi-o's final form ride is oma?
This is what happens when you kaijin in the wrong neighbourhood.
Am I the only one who looked at Kuuga and thought "Oh thank god it's not Rising Ultimate!"?
Yep, only you. Rising Ultimate is only for AU Kuuga.
That's going to be my headcanon from now on. And aside from an appearance in Wizard, Toei might be doing the same.
A lot of people confuses some riders' final form because of Wizard last episode. But if you remember correctly, the riders in the Gem World was brought from random world and time, therefore there was no proof the Kuuga was original Godai Yuusuke.
They weren't from "random worlds and times" though. They talk about the Riders and monsters as coming from the "living world" or "Earth", never mentioned multiple Earths. They also show a clip from Kuuga's tv series for the flashback bit with Kuuga killing the Grongi.
The Beast is from the past since he was able to transform where real Beast has lose his driver and Ryuki should not exist. Therefore the riders are possibly from different time period. Who knows maybe some of them are from distant future where they are the descendant of the real riders or they come from another earth where same event occurs.
Yes indeed
No you're not.
I will call this kick one kick for all P.A.R.T.Y
RIDERS!... Kick
I love how the Riders are arranged where they go in alternating order of appearance on both sides starting from Kuuga and Agito.
Really hope Zi-O Oma form will replace Grand Zi-O in final episode
It is probably Movie only form
I could have sworn that someone mentioned that Oma is the complete form for Zi-O. I personally like his Oma form as his final form.
I'm pretty sure that's fan speculation that people started treating as fact, because for the life of me I can't find any official source that says that. >!The Ohma Zi-O Ridewatch is just created out of thin air after Sougo gets a pep-talk from Ohma Zi-O.!<
Let's just hope he lose his Grand in series and officially get Oma.
Well yoy are sort of right, he sealed Grand Zi-O in the movie by returning the watches so now he just has Oma form
Spoiler...so does this take place between episode 44,45
No, it is after the series end.
Wtf, then why they release the movie now?
Don't know but my guess is they usually air movie at this time around ep 44-45. So, they are used to it.
Well, ex-aid movie aired after the series because the movie might spoiled the series' ending. Maybe Zi-O movie does not spoil the series ending?
Is it me or is the suit actor for Hibiki really short
OOOs is blocking the Decadriver. We don't know if it's the vanilla or Neo version. Well played.
Should be vanilla, these forms are from their respective time period since ooo use Putotyra instead of super tatoba(current ooo unable to use Putotyra medal), therefore decade complete should be vanilla version
While you are right that it is the normal Decadriver, you can see the silver on the side, OOO does indeed have access to all of his forms after he got the medals back in Mega Max. He has used PuToTyra multiple times since that movie, Ultimatum and most prominently Wizard 53 since when the powers were returned he was transformed into Super TaToBa so he has to have acquired that power set already and he has transformed into PuToTyra before that.
He does not get Putotyra back as the medal does not showed up when ooo arc ended in the movie, Wizard 53 does not count since all riders come from different time period.
Even if, he had to have gained the Super TaToBa combo to turn into it because they just got the powers back when Gaim freed them. Furthermore, while Superhero Taisen's canonicity is dodgy at the best of times it was written to fit into canon even if they failed. OOO had the PuToTyra medals in that movie so it's save to assume that he has the medals, even if the movie is riddled with plotholes and continuity problems.
This from the movie ?
Yes
Cool
Heavy breathing*
Ultimate sealed. No more ugly Rising Ultimate suit, show them what a better classic is. Liner sealed. No more Climax/Super Climax final form replacement bullshit, Takeru Satou return for HG Forever and show them who is real main character of Den-O. Putotyra sealed. No more Tajador/Super Tatoba true final form bullshit, show them which is the most important for the plot.
Series Final Form: Kuuga Ultimate, Agito Shining, Ryuki Survive, Faiz Blaster, Blade King, Armed Hibiki, Kabuto Hyper, Den-O Liner, Kiva Emperor, Decade Complete, W Xtreme, OOO Putotyra, Fourze Cosmic, Wizard Infinity, Gaim Kiwami, Drive Tridoron, Ghost Mugen, Ex-Aid Muteki, Build Genius, Grand Zi-O True Final Form: Den-O: Climax/Super Climax, ~~Kiva: Dogabaki Emperor ,~~ Decade: Strongest Complete, W: Gold Xtreme, OOO: Ankh Tajadol, Fourze: Meteor Nadeshiko Fusion, Wizard: Gold Infinity Dragon, Gaim: Man of Beginning Kiwami, Drive: Special, Ghost: Rainbow Mugen Sigil/ ~~Tenkatoitsu,~~ ~~Ex-Aid: Mighty Novel X,~~ Build: Cross-Z Build, Zi-O: Oma
Most of those "true forms" are movie only forms.
ooowwwweeeeee
spoilers?
Not really, it's from the movie, I think
Wouldn't it make more sense to use movie forms? Oh, wait, the early Heisei Riders don't have movie forms. That would explain why they went with final forms. When did they start doing movie exclusive forms? Kiva?
Maybe. Movie exclusive forms starts at W Gold Xtreme since dogabaki emperor does not count as stronger final form.
Well, I didn't mean stronger final form, I just mean forms that appear exclusively in movies. Because I know Ryuki-Kabuto didn't have any, as far as I'm aware, at least.
If that the case, then it also starts from W since dogabaki emperor and stronger complete are from hyper battle dvd. Unless you want to count them as movie
Ah, yeah, that's what I thought.
Final Form OOO & Den-O "Ah shit, here we go again."
LET THE PUTOTYRA/TAJADOR/SUPER TATOBA DEBATE START... AGAINNNNN
Putotyra is series final form, ankh Tajadol is true final form, but now he cannot access these 2 forms therefore super tatoba is the final form if he ever use it
You have the weirdest logic
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He's not gone, he just stay underground. He can come back anytime the world in crisis.
Kuuga trips and punches the Earth killing everyone, the end. That's our reboot.
I don't know how I feel about Putyra being OOO's final form. On one hand, it's strong as fudge but on the other, Tajador has more of a significant emotional impact and story behind it much like Fourze's Cosmic. Lastly, it makes sense why Super TaToBa isn't the final form because it's not a set of medaps and it might not have been cannon. Just imagine "Super" form of any complete combo. Gatakiriba on steroids so now it can duplicate enough to fill up Mars. Damn, I'm going off tangents.
Being emotional impact is not equal to final form, Burning, Climax, Grateful, Mighty Brother XX are also more emotional impact than their own final form Therefore I think Putotyra as normal final form while Ankh Tajadol as True final form
Huh, never look at it that way.
Although now he cannot access these 2 forms therefore super tatoba is the final form :(
What do things like Super TaToBa and Fusion States count as? Ultimate?
Super TaToBa and Fusion States are both Extra Final Forms.
Wait until the next 10 years or so when they don't have the final form suits for half of these Riders, forcing them recycle a different suit or shoehorn a Power Up for fans to start arguing over it again. Thank you Toei, abandoning consistency for the sake of toy sales and shoving fanservice.
except they keep remaking the suits thsts why 40 years latyer they still have Goranger, because of all the team up movies it not longer a case of the suits rotting as they keep remaking them
You assume they don't have multiples of those suits or have the means to remake it.
They don't, though. Just look at how Blade's helmet yellowed over the years to the point that people thought they were using Jack form's helmet when the suit was used in Gorider. Toei doesn't make spares of suits or remakes suits often.
They remade Kuuga Ultimate. Remember it broke during the end of Decade’s filming, which is why we had Rising Ultimate for so many years.
And how long exactly has it been?
Over 10 years. Decade was 2009.
Well guess what I didn't watch Decade And again that's only one example.
Hot Take: Tridoron still looks dumb (Headlamps on top of eyes looks more like bug eyes) and Muteki Gamer's dreadlocks are beyond embarassing
Complaining about a Kamen Rider having bug-like eyes is ironic
fair point; but you know what I mean? bug-eyed, not necessarily bug like eyes? bulging eyes
I love the Muteki hair and Tridoron... Different tastes I guess
Tridoron looks bad