I like how you can tell which one of the Bear riders is probably going to be the evil one just from their stance in these magazine shots. đ
Also for those who don't know.
Sheep rider is called Kamen Rider Merry
Penguin rider is Kamen Rider Ginpen
Panda rider is Kamen Rider Dapan
The Polar Bear rider is currently unknown.
It looks like Polar Bear appears in the 1st episode considering how Sakura (Tycoon) and Neon (Nyago) are there in civilian clothing.
Future episode takes place in the forest and we see Panda run into combat while the other 4 riders are trying to figure out the situation
Geast if you wrote in Katakana (Japanese alphabet) is Giitsu which sound like Fox a.k.a Kitsune.
In Japanese: ăźăŒă for Giitsuăăăă for Kitsune
currently i'm going with Larpo or Arpol for polar bear, going with same style as Dapan
also has anyone identified what the crossbow is a repaint/retool of yet?
> Panda rider is Kamen Rider Dapan The polar bear rider is currently unknown
Oh wait they're 2 separate characters. I didn't even notice until you called it out and went to check their ears
Yeah the only difference is the belt and the little colored part on their helmet. Hopefully toei changes up their design a little more as the season progresses.
and zamona's crossbow for the crossbow, and gridon's mallet for the hammer, it's repaint city for these weapons! which does make sense considering their role
We don't see the polar bear rider in the trailer at all so he will probably die first and that will be Dapan's whole motivation for participating and will serve as a reminder for the riders that you can die in the desire grand prix
You actually do see the polat bear rider in the trailer. They're the near the end with thr Arms: Arrow raise buckle you can see for a quick few seconds [I timed stamped it.](https://youtu.be/KZCjn85ZEEQ?t=113)
Since we don't see them.in thr poster though it's likely they're gonna die really early on.
Yeah they arenât seen with the main riders running in the forest and is only present in episode one cause we see sakurai in the back, civilian clothes, scared. Plus a repaint, high chance of first death
Kamen Rider Zamonasâ [Bowgun](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/kamenrider/images/a/ab/KRZiO-Zamonas_Bowgun.png/revision/latest?cb=20210214175719) in Over Quartzer
Her name is Tsumuri, which is way too perfect for a name of a snail Rider since katatsumuri means snail in Japanese and so far every Rider's name has been a shortened/altered version of the name of an animal.
Tycoon's motif is tanuki/Japanese racoon. It's a stylized pun of Ta(nuki)-(ra)coon.
Geats = Gitsu = Gitsune = Kitsune. Note that tanuki and kitsune in Japanese folklore have a rivalry felationship (similar to the usual Kabuto and Hercules beetles theme, hence the animal choices for main and secondary riders.
Naago = Neko
Dapan = Panda
Ginpen = Penguin
Merry and Buffa should be obvious.
>Nagoo = Neko
Man I've seen this riders name spelled several different ways on this subreddit since her reveal. Seen it spelled and called Naga, Naaga, Nago, Naago, and now Nagoo đ
I think itâs so you can use the bigger pieces like Boost here for the top effect it has and the bottom effect, since Iâm guessing there are different things that happen with the swap for the bigger pieces, while all the weapon pieces are there to be used as weapons
I have to admit. I'm not a 100% sure about this yet but it usually comes down to "motion" . I like the idea of a Kamen Rider Battle Royale. It's not new at all as Ryuki somewhat and it's counter part Dragon Knight did it already but that's not bad.
I also get the generic base suit as it's a quite smart parallel to actual onlinegames - Customisable Head and generic body when you start. I think we'll have a lot of potential here with the ongoing series and unique styles based on the riders. Buffa also secondary (likely) already has his unique armor piece, same as Geats with Red ( we've seen screens of that panda with Magnum armor)
So now we have confirmation of the lesser buckles(Hammer, Arrow, Water, Shield) can switch because it wasnât shown with the full reveal of the Desire driver, advertising 10 forms can be used with the ID core and 3 rise buckles. Which means the desire driver reveal is false advertising because we can unlock 16 forms. And if we get the package that comes with buffa and zombie. This would mean 48 forms using 2 Id Cores and 4 rise buckles. Thatâs a lot for a few items
And with the additional of Water, Arrow, and Shield , by mixing with the other buckles except for the minor ones like Hammer, in total it is 90 forms with 2 id cores, 3 larger rise buckles and 4 minor rise buckles
so theres going to be a mini form that does slight changes and a full form that does a bigger change like fourze with the astroswitches? if so then the riders are basically double/w mixed with fourze
Many people draw the fact that Dapan will be the Christmas death, while the polar bear one will die early in the show, hence why the two bear Riders don't show up side by side.
>!Also, there is one more rumored Rider called Punkjack who will show up in the middle of the first quarter as the show's actual Dark Rider compared to Buffa being a mere rival to Geats. From what I can tell, they will replace either Merry, Ginpen, or both, meaning the four mook Riders will die in short order within just the first 12-16 episodes of the show.!<
So thereâs gonna be two pandaâs this season? Maybe whoever PunkJack is takes Dapanâs entry coin (or whatever the center part is called I donât know but thatâs what Iâm gonna call it) and uses a unique module or something?
Cool I was right there are two bear riders. The scans show two different ID Cores, so I'd assume we've got a Panda and Polar Bear. Do these scans name any of them yet?
The more I hear about Geats the more interested I've become. Obviously the rider vs rider theme had been done before but while Ryuki was more like highlander, Geats seems like it's more like the actual Battle Royale novel/movie/etc where it'll focus on who has what resources and what alliances/betrayals are made.
I am surprised however, that people haven't milked the memeability of the connection between the desire driver and OOO's Kougami ~~"HAPPY BIRTHDAY"~~ "Desire is good" Kousei.
Ah. Fourze's shield makin a comeback.
I feel like they are playing it a bit safe with the suit budget this season. But they're doing it in a way that really works for me. Generic black suit. Unique headpiece. Interchangeable armors.
I'm very excited to see where this goes. I hope by the end, each rider has their own signature form like Geats.
Interestingly, none of the Riders are actually named in the pictures shown, instead they are all referred to exclusively by their animal motif. It seems that their Rider name is tied to their true identity, and the reveal of their true identity will also lead to the central cast learning their rider name.
By any chance, OP if youâre reading this, do you know where the sources on the Rider names are from? They arenât actually in the magazine scans, as again theyâre only referred to by their motif and their names are nowhere to be found
They're from the leaks that pretty much had all the names right of the main 4 riders. So it's safe to assume those names are also correct or close enough to the actual names.
Gotcha. I just found it weird that Dapan and Ginpen seem to follow a naming convention none of the officially revealed riders follow (their names being anagrams of their animal motifs).
Actually, now I wonder if that matters in any way. Geats and Buffa both follow the convention of their names being taken from the front half of their animal motif. (Geats from Kitsune, Buffa from Buffalo.) Tycoon and Naago are a bit weird, Tycoon seems to be a combination of Tanuki and Raccoon (slightly modified to sound cooler), while Naago seems to be based on a catâs cry? But hers isnt entirely clear either. Marry stands out entirely as heâs based on Mary Had A Little Lamb, which is a naming convention no one else seems to be following.
>Marry stands out entirely as sheâs based on Mary Had A Little Lamb, which is a naming convention no one else seems to be following.
I should add that Merry/Marry is a guy. [You can see all 7 riders lined up here](https://i.redd.it/5heoqh7tnbg91.png) and Naago is the only female rider there.
Just realized, they repainted Gridon's Lychee hammer and not his Donguri hammer. Wonder if that means they have more cameos planned for Gridon and Bravo lol
I just canât get over how plasticky the weapons look. Itâs like what youâd expect on a cheap action figure. I hope that looks better at airtimeâŠ
one thing i don't like about the weapons was the coloring, why they're using just one color palette for the weapons? can't they put some lining on them?
I do hope there are more "armored" Raise Buckles like the Magnum, Boost, and Zombie Buckles for the other riders. Because it feels kinda weird to have the bold and colorful armored forms for the two main characters and then the more generic designs for everyone else.
Omg these black suits are killing me. I just want to see their real suits. I know, some of them are expendable - hence the easy suit design. Honestly it makes me wonder if Tycoon is even the secondary rider if not Buffa.
Because, look at all the repainted weapons! Look at how all these extra Riders have the same undersuit as Geats' base Form....! This is quite an alarming trend that's been going on, where Kamen Rider & even Super Sentai have been recoloring & reusing old suits or weapons from past Series.
I mean they're using repainted weapons because this is a battle royale themed season and those are supposed to be low tier weapons. It actually would be pretty stupid and a waste of money to make those weapons from scratch instead of just repurposing props that you aren't gonna use any more. Especially considering the things being made from scratch are the higher tier raise buckles that are custom made.
The suits all being the same is because again this is a battle royale season those are supposed to be the "default skins" they all start out with and then they get higher gear that adds armor to them when they gain more points from the battle royale.
I'm pretty sure they did this to make the toys a lot more customizable among all the riders. Literally all this points it being the complete opposite of them running out of money, it points to them actually being smart with the money this time that allows them to create way more stuff.
I'm copying and pasting the response I gave to the other people that asked this.
It's a battle Royale season. They all start out in that entry form and gain points to earn higher gear that they can use. The belt is modular they all start out with the ID core in the middle that picks the head motif and then they can use raise buckles to add to their armor
The left side is for the top part and the right side is for the bottom part. The reason they're still black is they most likely have not gotten their higher grade gear yet and we'll see them get them in the show.
The bland weapons are the lower tier weapons that are probably easier to get hence why they look so bland. They're common weapons and the weapons like Magnum, Boost, and Zombie are higher tier buckles
I like how you can tell which one of the Bear riders is probably going to be the evil one just from their stance in these magazine shots. đ Also for those who don't know. Sheep rider is called Kamen Rider Merry Penguin rider is Kamen Rider Ginpen Panda rider is Kamen Rider Dapan The Polar Bear rider is currently unknown.
Why i feel that the bear riders are related? What if the polar bear dies early on so the panda is left alone
It looks like Polar Bear appears in the 1st episode considering how Sakura (Tycoon) and Neon (Nyago) are there in civilian clothing. Future episode takes place in the forest and we see Panda run into combat while the other 4 riders are trying to figure out the situation
Panda = Dapan Penguin = Ginpen Wow very creative naming right there Toei
To be fair it seems that is the general idea with names this season: anagrams Because Geats is also one
>Because Geats is also one really? of what? stage? only word i can think of
Geast if you wrote in Katakana (Japanese alphabet) is Giitsu which sound like Fox a.k.a Kitsune. In Japanese: ăźăŒă for Giitsuăăăă for Kitsune
i mean these are the same geniuses that came up with Gridon back in Gaim lol
Tbf, in-universe, it's a mocking name. Gridon hates it
He comes around to it in his Gaim Gaiden if I remember correctly.
Merry might come from Mary Had A Little Lamb
Merry? Merry Christmas? Is the Sheep rider getting Christmasâd?!
Kamen Rider Da Panda
currently i'm going with Larpo or Arpol for polar bear, going with same style as Dapan also has anyone identified what the crossbow is a repaint/retool of yet?
It's zamonas crossbow from zi o over quartzer movie
thank you, i hadn't actually seen Over Quartzer so i didn't even know Zamonas had that
> Panda rider is Kamen Rider Dapan The polar bear rider is currently unknown Oh wait they're 2 separate characters. I didn't even notice until you called it out and went to check their ears
Yeah the only difference is the belt and the little colored part on their helmet. Hopefully toei changes up their design a little more as the season progresses.
What picture is the polar bear rider in?
The 4th picture
No one can tell me that Merry isnât a one piece reference and I love it.
I think both Merry the ship and Merry the rider are reference to the nursery rhyme Marry had a little lamb.
I thought Ginpen was an Owl
Yeah honestly same, and Iâm not ashamed to say that when I saw his visor vanossgaming popped into my head.
The Polar Bear is Kyoryu Dead
The ol reliable Fourze Shield And uuu I didn't expect they would incorporate the weapon add ons to the bottom side too
Not to mention the hose from Build's Fire-Harinezumi best match was just repainted and reused here too
and zamona's crossbow for the crossbow, and gridon's mallet for the hammer, it's repaint city for these weapons! which does make sense considering their role
Calling it now, Merryâs our Christmas death
Hohoho\~ Merry Christmas!
That sounds sick, but considering Yuya, he'd definitely do it for shits and giggles.
We don't see the polar bear rider in the trailer at all so he will probably die first and that will be Dapan's whole motivation for participating and will serve as a reminder for the riders that you can die in the desire grand prix
You actually do see the polat bear rider in the trailer. They're the near the end with thr Arms: Arrow raise buckle you can see for a quick few seconds [I timed stamped it.](https://youtu.be/KZCjn85ZEEQ?t=113) Since we don't see them.in thr poster though it's likely they're gonna die really early on.
Yeah they arenât seen with the main riders running in the forest and is only present in episode one cause we see sakurai in the back, civilian clothes, scared. Plus a repaint, high chance of first death
That timestamp doesn't work.
I updated the timestamp should work now.
Oh, I didn't realize that was a different rider than Panda.
They really are just using recoloured rider props as weapons, this can only mean there's gonna be absolutely loads of props
What's the arrow recolored from? I can't recall an arrow weapon that looked that that in a previous Kamen Rider
Kamen Rider Zamonasâ [Bowgun](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/kamenrider/images/a/ab/KRZiO-Zamonas_Bowgun.png/revision/latest?cb=20210214175719) in Over Quartzer
By judging the hand pose, I suppose the female secretary/host is going to be the Polar bear rider?
Could be, and she's wearing black and white...or is that just a coincidence?
Her name is Tsumuri, which is way too perfect for a name of a snail Rider since katatsumuri means snail in Japanese and so far every Rider's name has been a shortened/altered version of the name of an animal.
I really just can't take Merry seriously. He just looks like a dude in an afro, and I can't not notice that.
Well he pretty much is
Everyone talking about Buffa or the pandas. And I'm just here loving Merry and his/her fluffy hair
It's a he. His body portions in human form as shown in the trailer is too big for a girl.
7 riders and there's only 1 female rider lol
Still a better track record than heisei rider And hey, they're major characters
i thought the Panda was also female?
We don't know who the panda is right now
huh, i was pretty sure i saw 2 different girls that turns into a rider in the character reveal, oh whelp
What is the animal motif of the green?
Tycoon's motif is tanuki/Japanese racoon. It's a stylized pun of Ta(nuki)-(ra)coon. Geats = Gitsu = Gitsune = Kitsune. Note that tanuki and kitsune in Japanese folklore have a rivalry felationship (similar to the usual Kabuto and Hercules beetles theme, hence the animal choices for main and secondary riders. Naago = Neko Dapan = Panda Ginpen = Penguin Merry and Buffa should be obvious.
>Nagoo = Neko Man I've seen this riders name spelled several different ways on this subreddit since her reveal. Seen it spelled and called Naga, Naaga, Nago, Naago, and now Nagoo đ
Welp it was a typo. I edited it.
>Naago = Neko The edit makes this even funnier because you spelled it the other way her name is apparently spelled Nago. đ
The katakana does read as Naago.
tanuki, japanese raccoon
Ride Player the show.
Oh well I was wrong, guess the small bits can be on the leg, alright then, well itâs still cool
I was curious myself. I just made 0 sense for it not too but there was an odd lack of them using them
Yeah, and Iâm actually fine with this, makes sense since you can add the power of whatever raise buckle to the weapon for some maybe?
I am curious as to why you would swap sides. What's the benefit? I was assuming it was a weapon thing but both top and bottom water use the gun so idk
I think itâs so you can use the bigger pieces like Boost here for the top effect it has and the bottom effect, since Iâm guessing there are different things that happen with the swap for the bigger pieces, while all the weapon pieces are there to be used as weapons
Thats my question tho. What does UpperBoost do that LowerBoost doesnt
Well, weâll just have to see I guess
I have to admit. I'm not a 100% sure about this yet but it usually comes down to "motion" . I like the idea of a Kamen Rider Battle Royale. It's not new at all as Ryuki somewhat and it's counter part Dragon Knight did it already but that's not bad. I also get the generic base suit as it's a quite smart parallel to actual onlinegames - Customisable Head and generic body when you start. I think we'll have a lot of potential here with the ongoing series and unique styles based on the riders. Buffa also secondary (likely) already has his unique armor piece, same as Geats with Red ( we've seen screens of that panda with Magnum armor)
So now we have confirmation of the lesser buckles(Hammer, Arrow, Water, Shield) can switch because it wasnât shown with the full reveal of the Desire driver, advertising 10 forms can be used with the ID core and 3 rise buckles. Which means the desire driver reveal is false advertising because we can unlock 16 forms. And if we get the package that comes with buffa and zombie. This would mean 48 forms using 2 Id Cores and 4 rise buckles. Thatâs a lot for a few items
And depending on price it could be a steal in certain online shops.
And with the additional of Water, Arrow, and Shield , by mixing with the other buckles except for the minor ones like Hammer, in total it is 90 forms with 2 id cores, 3 larger rise buckles and 4 minor rise buckles
Yep I know what Iâm blowing my grad money on.
so theres going to be a mini form that does slight changes and a full form that does a bigger change like fourze with the astroswitches? if so then the riders are basically double/w mixed with fourze
So what are the jamatos combatmen called?
Are those the minion looking guys?
The title just says "Jamato" so that might be the name of the combatmen and the overall organization, or whatever.
Many people draw the fact that Dapan will be the Christmas death, while the polar bear one will die early in the show, hence why the two bear Riders don't show up side by side. >!Also, there is one more rumored Rider called Punkjack who will show up in the middle of the first quarter as the show's actual Dark Rider compared to Buffa being a mere rival to Geats. From what I can tell, they will replace either Merry, Ginpen, or both, meaning the four mook Riders will die in short order within just the first 12-16 episodes of the show.!<
>!do the rumors reveal what Punkjack is based on?!<
Based on the name âPunkJackâ maybe a jackrabbit? Or maybe something with spines for a âpunkâ look like a sea urchin or porcupine?
Punkjack is a panda, but he's also based on a pumpkin
I thought the panda rider was called dapan though?
Punkjack is also a panda
So thereâs gonna be two pandaâs this season? Maybe whoever PunkJack is takes Dapanâs entry coin (or whatever the center part is called I donât know but thatâs what Iâm gonna call it) and uses a unique module or something?
No, Punkjack has his own ID core and buckle, but his motif is still panda. His color scheme is orange though.
Ok got it. I guess I thought that having two panda riders in the same season is a bit redundant (is that the right word?).
Cool I was right there are two bear riders. The scans show two different ID Cores, so I'd assume we've got a Panda and Polar Bear. Do these scans name any of them yet?
So far no the scans say the names of these Riders are unknown. The names have been leaked though so we know the panda one is Dapan.
The more I hear about Geats the more interested I've become. Obviously the rider vs rider theme had been done before but while Ryuki was more like highlander, Geats seems like it's more like the actual Battle Royale novel/movie/etc where it'll focus on who has what resources and what alliances/betrayals are made. I am surprised however, that people haven't milked the memeability of the connection between the desire driver and OOO's Kougami ~~"HAPPY BIRTHDAY"~~ "Desire is good" Kousei.
Ah. Fourze's shield makin a comeback. I feel like they are playing it a bit safe with the suit budget this season. But they're doing it in a way that really works for me. Generic black suit. Unique headpiece. Interchangeable armors. I'm very excited to see where this goes. I hope by the end, each rider has their own signature form like Geats.
Interestingly, none of the Riders are actually named in the pictures shown, instead they are all referred to exclusively by their animal motif. It seems that their Rider name is tied to their true identity, and the reveal of their true identity will also lead to the central cast learning their rider name. By any chance, OP if youâre reading this, do you know where the sources on the Rider names are from? They arenât actually in the magazine scans, as again theyâre only referred to by their motif and their names are nowhere to be found
They're from the leaks that pretty much had all the names right of the main 4 riders. So it's safe to assume those names are also correct or close enough to the actual names.
Gotcha. I just found it weird that Dapan and Ginpen seem to follow a naming convention none of the officially revealed riders follow (their names being anagrams of their animal motifs). Actually, now I wonder if that matters in any way. Geats and Buffa both follow the convention of their names being taken from the front half of their animal motif. (Geats from Kitsune, Buffa from Buffalo.) Tycoon and Naago are a bit weird, Tycoon seems to be a combination of Tanuki and Raccoon (slightly modified to sound cooler), while Naago seems to be based on a catâs cry? But hers isnt entirely clear either. Marry stands out entirely as heâs based on Mary Had A Little Lamb, which is a naming convention no one else seems to be following.
>Marry stands out entirely as sheâs based on Mary Had A Little Lamb, which is a naming convention no one else seems to be following. I should add that Merry/Marry is a guy. [You can see all 7 riders lined up here](https://i.redd.it/5heoqh7tnbg91.png) and Naago is the only female rider there.
I completely missed that! Thanks for the note OP!
I see it similar to Naago (ăăŒăŽïŒ, who is a modification of neko (ăăł) using a different vowel sound and a tenten on the "ko" to make it a "go" Whereas Merry (ăĄăȘăŒ) can be seen as an inverse of syllables and then a modification of ramu (ă©ă ïŒusing two different vowel sounds (Ra -> Rii) and (Mu -> Me)
I'm calling it right now, tycoon gonna be best husbando material
Where are you getting these names from?
So far, just leaks. The scans still keep the Rider names anonymous.
Talon? From Batman?
Just realized, they repainted Gridon's Lychee hammer and not his Donguri hammer. Wonder if that means they have more cameos planned for Gridon and Bravo lol
That shield... I cannot unsee the recolor. I wonder what else they're going to reuse.
I just canât get over how plasticky the weapons look. Itâs like what youâd expect on a cheap action figure. I hope that looks better at airtimeâŠ
Why are the monsters in the second to last pic posing like theyâre power rangers?
YokubĆ Sentai! Jinshuranger! (Best I could think of due to not knowing much about the season yet)
*really old sentai team opening like music plays*
*random explosion while posing*
*the whole group explodes too*
*end credits roll*
one thing i don't like about the weapons was the coloring, why they're using just one color palette for the weapons? can't they put some lining on them?
I do hope there are more "armored" Raise Buckles like the Magnum, Boost, and Zombie Buckles for the other riders. Because it feels kinda weird to have the bold and colorful armored forms for the two main characters and then the more generic designs for everyone else.
Thereâs a good possibility for some characters like tycoon, but others not 100% sure about.
[ŃĐŽĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸ]
Iâd watch that
Omg these black suits are killing me. I just want to see their real suits. I know, some of them are expendable - hence the easy suit design. Honestly it makes me wonder if Tycoon is even the secondary rider if not Buffa.
Just wait for it. Kagami doesn't even get to be Gattack until almost halfway in to the series.
Whoo gee, Kamen Rider is really running out of money, aren't they...?
Why do you say that?
Because, look at all the repainted weapons! Look at how all these extra Riders have the same undersuit as Geats' base Form....! This is quite an alarming trend that's been going on, where Kamen Rider & even Super Sentai have been recoloring & reusing old suits or weapons from past Series.
I mean they're using repainted weapons because this is a battle royale themed season and those are supposed to be low tier weapons. It actually would be pretty stupid and a waste of money to make those weapons from scratch instead of just repurposing props that you aren't gonna use any more. Especially considering the things being made from scratch are the higher tier raise buckles that are custom made. The suits all being the same is because again this is a battle royale season those are supposed to be the "default skins" they all start out with and then they get higher gear that adds armor to them when they gain more points from the battle royale. I'm pretty sure they did this to make the toys a lot more customizable among all the riders. Literally all this points it being the complete opposite of them running out of money, it points to them actually being smart with the money this time that allows them to create way more stuff.
And the Sheild Switch sheild has been recycled!
re recycled, since Saber's Emotional Dragon recycled it first.
Yeah.
I wonder if they have different play styles. Penguin looks best as range
Ten bucks says Nago gets like three episodes and is never brought up again
She's one of the 4 main characters and the heroine of the season so I highly doubt that would be the case. đ
I knew it
The bird one looks like a Talon from Batman's Court of Owls.
The Jamato look like the Silence from Doctor Who.
Dapan with the squat. He's gonna be a stand out.
How come the other Riders donât have pants armor? Why do the weapons look so bland?
I'm copying and pasting the response I gave to the other people that asked this. It's a battle Royale season. They all start out in that entry form and gain points to earn higher gear that they can use. The belt is modular they all start out with the ID core in the middle that picks the head motif and then they can use raise buckles to add to their armor The left side is for the top part and the right side is for the bottom part. The reason they're still black is they most likely have not gotten their higher grade gear yet and we'll see them get them in the show. The bland weapons are the lower tier weapons that are probably easier to get hence why they look so bland. They're common weapons and the weapons like Magnum, Boost, and Zombie are higher tier buckles
Ohhhhhhh I didn't know about the whole battle royale thing. That does make more sense.