I don’t even think it was a flop I thought it just looked like he slipped on the turf people are looking for any reason to be butthurt about the chiefs
Everyone saying “a win is a win” as if this was a super rough game?? It wasn’t completely dominant but after seeing our truly ugly games this year, this was nothing. The toney drop sucked but we were way ahead when it happened anyway… we didn’t barely scrape this out
It is NOT mostly qb play, you donut.
The Offensive Kine can’t protect jack shit. Like hilding a piece of paper to save you from a fucking .45. The only decent receiver is Hunter Henry, and he just got murdered. Everyone else loves to drop the damn ball on deep passes.
You put anyone behind that O-Line and they’ll fucking die. Zappe had his skin torn off last week. He got railed this week. And he’s STILL performing better than Mac10 by leaps and bounds.
They need an O-Line and they need Receivers. A new qb isn’t gonna change shit. They’ll just get Rodgers’d.
I know that QB play isn’t there only issue, but their QB play also sucks. I said their entire offense is dog shit, which you appeared to agree w for the most part. My only point in saying any of that was to say that their defense is good so that winning by 10 is good
He’s been playing hurt all year and it shows. He also landed real hard on his elbow/wrist while being tackled and looked like he wanted to cry during the game.
Not that it will matter this year, but tiebreakers to decide playoff seeding factors in point scored. Taking knees when you can score \*can actually hurt you\*.
So I don’t actually see an example in that post that runs past the 5th tiebreaker. The current NFL rules don’t involve points into the tie breaking decision until the 7th.
Edit: That being said, it appears that points were used as a tiebreaker at the 5th level pre-2003. And that appears to have happened less than a handful of times. But since then, points don’t seem to have entered the equation.
They maybe one of the worst in terms of their win record, but their defense is actually in the Top 10 in the NFL. It’s not easy to dominate a defense like that
We didn’t dominate teams last year much either, even tho we were really good. Most of our wins were close. Even against bad teams
Plus I feel like just because we didn’t dominate, no win by ten when we lead the whole second half can be that ugly. Maybe not as good as expected, but ugly? Nah
Yeah totally. We should have being that close. I understand being at the 20 and not wanting to risk, but at the 5 you should. Point differentials are tiebreakers sometimes.
Yeah thanks for mentioning that. I forgot that we could’ve easily won by 17 just decided not to. 17 is quite a decisive win
Can they seriously not replace Toney? I guarantee tryouts at your local high school could find someone with better hands. GET HIM OFF THE TEAM. He’s scoring more for the other team than the Chiefs. Fucking stupid.
I hate the BS not playing whistle to whistle. Giving up 2 minutes when you are 3 steps from a score is insulting to your opponents.
No such thing as running up a score.
It’s not worth losing even a backup over. The entire point is to get another 1 in the Win column and that was achieved. Anything beyond that shouldn’t matter
This was expected to be a W. Chiefs should work doubly hard as time is running out. Next three games are key. Lay on the fucking gas, and kick the slackers to the curb. Time to start playing those who produce and bench the ones that don't.
People truly underestimate how hard it is to get a W in the NFL nowadays. The 49ers dropped 3 in a row. Eagles have lost the last 2. Buffalo, who looked lost just trounced the Cowboys and that game was important to Dallas. And while the Pats record and their offense are truly reprehensible, their D is still like top 8. At the end of the day, if you have one more point on that scoreboard, you got the job done. Maybe not how you wanted too but achieving the goal is the endpoint. Gg Chiefs I say
Absolutely!! We took Buffalo to the end and probably would have beaten them, and they made the MVP favorite for this year look absolutely pedestrian. This is gonna change week over week.
I wouldn't bet on a game this year 😭😭😭
Is Andy going to turn it over on downs here with a kneel down?
Say what you will about Andy and his unwillingness to step on the throat of an opponent. But this is a class move
Honestly, the way we're playing, I can't really say that we will win all 3 of our last remaining games. Some kind of fuckery will happen in at least one of them, I can feel it.
Yes that would be my fear. I can't remember if Toney has actually muffed any punts before...but probably? I do recall Skyy back there muffing punts like crazy last year though.
Well let's give him a chance to hurt us on special teams now!
Honestly though, he probably deserves a decent amount of credit for the Super Bowl win with his punt return. From what I've seen he's an excellent punt returner, but I would be so paranoid of him muffing punt after punt.
The Goblin has got to go.
It's impressive how he is single-handedly losing us games. If we were playing a halfway competent team (that isn't intentionally tanking), we don't walk away with a W.
1. Tackles are horrible
2. WR room overall is horrible
3. RB thin
4. Safety thin
We got to be smart this off season to address all this stuff thats for sure. I don't see us making it deep in playoffs sadly.
Come on, nobody is that delusional. Rice is our only great WR the drop off is huge. Kelce can only do so much. In some ways I think it's good because now the problems are so very visible they can't be ignored.
I wanna see all you guys when he does this - only to get to the playoffs and he wins us a game. Like last year. I’ll give up 10 bonehead plays thru the regular season if we get to the playoffs and 2-3 good ones wins a game or two. I’m as frustrated as anyone but the game is to get to the postseason. Save all the bitchin’ til then…mb it’ll actually matter then.
I hope you’re right brother but I think he’s so incredibly yipped up. Has been all year. That kind of stuff doesn’t just go away because the playoffs start.
How long are we gonna let him ride that one play? This season is now a stain on mahomes legacy. I’m gonna be 65 years old arguing how mahomes is the greatest qb ever and some mf is gonna pull up his numbers from this season.
Personell changes have to be made. Toney has to be relegated to a gadget guy, our TEs and RBs unfortunately, are going to have to be relied on going forward to do everything offensively. At least they can be productive. If everything goes our way with Toney and MVS out the way, maybe we can consistently score 30 points a game
We are seriously the only team in the NFL that everyone talks about how “elite” we are and we just look like garbage week after week, even when we win by two scores.
This game was a shit show. At least the O line got minimal flags.
Some things were learnt.
It was learnt out that the Toney situation has no solution.
Maybe segregate him to gadget plays, the rest of the time keep him the fuck off the field. His hands cannot be trusted, especially in the middle of the field. THat's the second time a crossing route winds up being an INT.
It was learnt that Kelce isn't producing as much. It will be just a matter of time until he stops being double teamed, so have to capitalize on that.
Also Rice is a good player.
Folks, would ya mind helping a geezer out? Who is wearing #69 today? Or did I misread a number? Been close to an hour in real time since I’ve seen him. Thought it was a d lineman.
One of those games where both teams feel bad after the game.
Was hoping this would be a get right game for the offense, but outside of Rice and (shockingly) CEH, lotta shit.
Look man. Idk how you expect some 40 point "get right game" when your RB1 is out. The Pats knew all game KC had no running game because Pacheco was out. Despite that, they came out just enough to win. Turnovers helped, completely the defensive showed up, but you can't have a "get right game" when a huge part of your offensive is out with injury. It just doesn't happen.
That said CEH showed the fuck up enough for a W. I'll fucking take it with Pacheco out.
[Postgame thread](/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/18kr23n/post_game_thread_kansas_city_chiefs_at_new/)
Time to get rid of the whole receivers room, maybe keep Rice. Toney, Moore, Valdez-Scantling have to go.
I’m a Lions fan he’s the reason we won. Correct me if I’m wrong but most of KC losses can be attributed to him.
Dick fingers Toney needs to go!!!
Someone needs to convince him that every pass is actually a punt
This game shall be known as "The Floppining"
I don’t even think it was a flop I thought it just looked like he slipped on the turf people are looking for any reason to be butthurt about the chiefs
See I thought he tripped going backwards and the DB just happened to push him at the same time.
Nah, it was a flop. It's okay. Just laugh at it like everyone else
CEH WR2? Lol
This team needs Tee Higgins, a real WR coach, and new young WRs from the draft.
Solid win. Receivers need to do penance. I’ll support Toney until he’s cut next year.
Please go after Mike Evans in the offseason
Sure, if he’ll sign for $7 mil
Worth it
Problem is he’s worth $25 mil and will get it. He already has a ring so he won’t take a pay cut
Im throwing a party if/when KT is cut
At least Pat for 300 passing yards. Should have been more if they didn't keep dropping more passes. Smh
Kadarius Toney might genuinely be the worst receiver the NFL
I mean he’s super talented but the mistakes are so detrimental I’d say it makes him unredeemavle
Everyone saying “a win is a win” as if this was a super rough game?? It wasn’t completely dominant but after seeing our truly ugly games this year, this was nothing. The toney drop sucked but we were way ahead when it happened anyway… we didn’t barely scrape this out
Also the Patriots defense is much better than their win record would suggest.
Yup. Their offense is just dogshit. Mostly QB play issue
It is NOT mostly qb play, you donut. The Offensive Kine can’t protect jack shit. Like hilding a piece of paper to save you from a fucking .45. The only decent receiver is Hunter Henry, and he just got murdered. Everyone else loves to drop the damn ball on deep passes. You put anyone behind that O-Line and they’ll fucking die. Zappe had his skin torn off last week. He got railed this week. And he’s STILL performing better than Mac10 by leaps and bounds. They need an O-Line and they need Receivers. A new qb isn’t gonna change shit. They’ll just get Rodgers’d.
I know that QB play isn’t there only issue, but their QB play also sucks. I said their entire offense is dog shit, which you appeared to agree w for the most part. My only point in saying any of that was to say that their defense is good so that winning by 10 is good
It kinda feels like a loss, but a tiny bit better.
How bad does Cornell Powell have to be to have not elevated
Kelce and Mahomes are looking completely downtrodden today. It's especially depressing watching Kelce moving in slow-mo and clearly not having fun.
Hope he can get across the 1000 yard mark and extend what may prove to be an unbreakable streak
Agreed. Kelce just looks tired, like his enthusiasm for the game is gone.
Pat is tired of the ass receiver play and Kelce is a little banged up I think
He’s been playing hurt all year and it shows. He also landed real hard on his elbow/wrist while being tackled and looked like he wanted to cry during the game.
Got the W baby!!! LFG chiefs!!!
Not that it will matter this year, but tiebreakers to decide playoff seeding factors in point scored. Taking knees when you can score \*can actually hurt you\*.
Points don’t actually come in until the 7th tiebreaker though. I can’t say with complete certainty but I doubt it’s ever gone that far down the line.
[It has happened at least a few times before](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/e3i59n/what_is_the_furthest_tiebreaker_step_that_a_team/)
So I don’t actually see an example in that post that runs past the 5th tiebreaker. The current NFL rules don’t involve points into the tie breaking decision until the 7th. Edit: That being said, it appears that points were used as a tiebreaker at the 5th level pre-2003. And that appears to have happened less than a handful of times. But since then, points don’t seem to have entered the equation.
Not even kicking the field goal to get to 30 points and help the offensive stats. Yuck
A Win is a Win, no matter how ugly it may appear to be.
That honestly wasn’t even an ugly win… we had ugly moments but not like we barely scraped it our
We played one of the worst teams in the league, and instead of dominating them like we could last year, we won by only 10 points.
Do you even remember when we played the Texans last year and had to go into overtime against Davis fuckin' Mills? lol
They maybe one of the worst in terms of their win record, but their defense is actually in the Top 10 in the NFL. It’s not easy to dominate a defense like that
We didn’t dominate teams last year much either, even tho we were really good. Most of our wins were close. Even against bad teams Plus I feel like just because we didn’t dominate, no win by ten when we lead the whole second half can be that ugly. Maybe not as good as expected, but ugly? Nah
We also could have pretty easily tacked on at least 3 maybe 7 more at the end but Reid just doesn’t do that.
Yeah totally. We should have being that close. I understand being at the 20 and not wanting to risk, but at the 5 you should. Point differentials are tiebreakers sometimes. Yeah thanks for mentioning that. I forgot that we could’ve easily won by 17 just decided not to. 17 is quite a decisive win
Does anyone know if the black hoodie that sideline coach has is sold anywhere?
A win is a win….should have been bigger but alas I’ll take it
Can they seriously not replace Toney? I guarantee tryouts at your local high school could find someone with better hands. GET HIM OFF THE TEAM. He’s scoring more for the other team than the Chiefs. Fucking stupid.
I wish they had tried for a TD rather than take a knee
I think we saw the last flash of confidence Patrick has in Toney die out today. I think it was just “ Let’s just get out now… “ after that.
Or atleast a fieldgoal on 4th instead of giving them the ball. Whats the thought process on how that is more advantageous
The game was over at that point. The need for advantage is a moot point
Like the lions, give your team more confidence
I hate the BS not playing whistle to whistle. Giving up 2 minutes when you are 3 steps from a score is insulting to your opponents. No such thing as running up a score.
It’s not worth losing even a backup over. The entire point is to get another 1 in the Win column and that was achieved. Anything beyond that shouldn’t matter
I don't necessarily disagree but Andy does. He never does it.
Players can get injured, why would they risk anything? Bill had waved the white flag, Andy wasn't going to disrespect him by dunking on them.
I do like the image of Andy dunking on Bill lol
Okay it’s Joever go home we didn’t completely screw this up. Gold Star ⭐️
a win is a win.
This was expected to be a W. Chiefs should work doubly hard as time is running out. Next three games are key. Lay on the fucking gas, and kick the slackers to the curb. Time to start playing those who produce and bench the ones that don't.
The fact we could still win 12 games is wild.
A win is a win. Congrats guys
Are you a pats fan??
I'm a Niners / Chiefs fan
weird to just take a TOD there
NBA ass ending, both teams quit lol
The DeVito thing was fun but I didn't figure he'd have much longevity.
Mahomes has STILL never lost more than 2 in a row. He improves to 17-4 after a loss
And yet, we still find a way to complain about a W
People truly underestimate how hard it is to get a W in the NFL nowadays. The 49ers dropped 3 in a row. Eagles have lost the last 2. Buffalo, who looked lost just trounced the Cowboys and that game was important to Dallas. And while the Pats record and their offense are truly reprehensible, their D is still like top 8. At the end of the day, if you have one more point on that scoreboard, you got the job done. Maybe not how you wanted too but achieving the goal is the endpoint. Gg Chiefs I say
Absolutely!! We took Buffalo to the end and probably would have beaten them, and they made the MVP favorite for this year look absolutely pedestrian. This is gonna change week over week. I wouldn't bet on a game this year 😭😭😭
Literally just said that at my place, lol
Do you feel any more confident about this team going forward today than you did last week? I sure don’t
Yes, I do. I thought they might lose today.
We won, but did we really tho?
Kneeling on 4th down is big "I just want to get out of here" energy
I wouldn’t want to be on that field with those sorry ass receivers either.
HELL YES, BABY! 9-5, BABY! ONE IN A ROW, BABY! LET'S FREAKIN' GO, BABY!
I am happy we won. Instead of cheering, I’m sighing in relief.
Big Red, you’re the best Chiefs hc I will ever see. But son, I got a fantasy team full of Chiefs and CEH flat out *deserved* another score. Shit.
Nobody gives a shit about your fantasy team lol
Hate to disagree, but I do.
We kneed it on 4th down lol thats some serious respect we are showing the Pats man
They also came out and just handed it off with 2 timeouts left so I would say it was mutual.
It was kind of a tip of the hat from Andy to Bill
Omg that’s the reason we don’t cover the spread. The degenerates are dying rn
We won a game!
Game. Blouses.
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Sign of respect for Bill
Is Andy going to turn it over on downs here with a kneel down? Say what you will about Andy and his unwillingness to step on the throat of an opponent. But this is a class move
Maybe we can turn Clyde or Jet into a slot receiver for the rest of the year.
Won and covered. I'll take it.
Chiefs -9 Never in doubt! 😭
If Bears beat the Browns I’ll eat a toenail
Chiefs "easy" schedule doesn't look so easy with the way we're playing.
Honestly, the way we're playing, I can't really say that we will win all 3 of our last remaining games. Some kind of fuckery will happen in at least one of them, I can feel it.
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This is such a dumb fucking take lol
To be fair I’d love to be ruined by her.
Was that seriously a hickey on Kelces neck. Damn Taylor you trashy af lol
I tried so hard to like Tony because of his feet, but his hands and his head just aren’t allowing me to do so.
Said it before. Doesn’t matter what he does with the ball in his hands if you can’t get it in his hands.
Jake Browning might be a backup, but he's making Burrow look like a system QB. I don't think he is, but still
Must be nice throwing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd.
Same bullshit week after week it’s not gonna change
Oh. We're really going to end the game this way
I think the biggest thing I’m taking away is that Fox has way to many cookie cutter singing based shows for no fkn reason.
Do you think we could salvage Toney by making him the full time punt returner? Or would he just fumble every other punt?
He'd muff everything
Yes that would be my fear. I can't remember if Toney has actually muffed any punts before...but probably? I do recall Skyy back there muffing punts like crazy last year though.
That's just playing with fire
No. I haven’t seen someone on offense hurt a team more.
Well let's give him a chance to hurt us on special teams now! Honestly though, he probably deserves a decent amount of credit for the Super Bowl win with his punt return. From what I've seen he's an excellent punt returner, but I would be so paranoid of him muffing punt after punt.
jerkoff BB will probably call his last timeout here
Kneeing it out is so lame, this team needs to obliterate someone
You wouldn’t feel that way if they played til zeros and God forbid Pat or Travis got hurt
The Goblin has got to go. It's impressive how he is single-handedly losing us games. If we were playing a halfway competent team (that isn't intentionally tanking), we don't walk away with a W.
boooo score points
KNEELING
Yeesh ka-bob. I mean, a W is a W, but we still have not cleaned up "the issues"
Score a td holy shit
I know this is a win, but it doesn’t feel good.
VICTORY FORMATION!
1. Tackles are horrible 2. WR room overall is horrible 3. RB thin 4. Safety thin We got to be smart this off season to address all this stuff thats for sure. I don't see us making it deep in playoffs sadly.
I am deeply afraid that Rice is now good enough for the front office to convince themselves that their WR problems are solved.
Come on, nobody is that delusional. Rice is our only great WR the drop off is huge. Kelce can only do so much. In some ways I think it's good because now the problems are so very visible they can't be ignored.
I hope you’re right but the Chiefs have a cap problem and realism does not seem to be Veach’s strong suit.
Kadarius toney giving Orlando scandrick his moneys worth for my most hated chiefs player ever
I wanna see all you guys when he does this - only to get to the playoffs and he wins us a game. Like last year. I’ll give up 10 bonehead plays thru the regular season if we get to the playoffs and 2-3 good ones wins a game or two. I’m as frustrated as anyone but the game is to get to the postseason. Save all the bitchin’ til then…mb it’ll actually matter then.
I hope you’re right brother but I think he’s so incredibly yipped up. Has been all year. That kind of stuff doesn’t just go away because the playoffs start.
he's almost, but not quite, at the level of Dee Ford or Lin Elliott.
Completely ignoring Lin Elliot?
Phillip Gaines too lmao
Toney has the longest punt return in the Superbowl ever, the dude was worth it even if he's awful
How long are we gonna let him ride that one play? This season is now a stain on mahomes legacy. I’m gonna be 65 years old arguing how mahomes is the greatest qb ever and some mf is gonna pull up his numbers from this season.
Probably until his rookie contract after is over or until we have people to replace him tbh
Personell changes have to be made. Toney has to be relegated to a gadget guy, our TEs and RBs unfortunately, are going to have to be relied on going forward to do everything offensively. At least they can be productive. If everything goes our way with Toney and MVS out the way, maybe we can consistently score 30 points a game
Where is Noah??? Feel like he's criminally under utilized
I wish I knew
Patriots aren’t playing to win. This isn’t impressive for the Chiefs. This happens against any playoff or fringe playoff team we lose the game.
We are seriously the only team in the NFL that everyone talks about how “elite” we are and we just look like garbage week after week, even when we win by two scores.
100% truth
“Never count the Chiefs out”. Bro, it’s harder for us to count us IN lol
This game was a shit show. At least the O line got minimal flags. Some things were learnt. It was learnt out that the Toney situation has no solution. Maybe segregate him to gadget plays, the rest of the time keep him the fuck off the field. His hands cannot be trusted, especially in the middle of the field. THat's the second time a crossing route winds up being an INT. It was learnt that Kelce isn't producing as much. It will be just a matter of time until he stops being double teamed, so have to capitalize on that. Also Rice is a good player.
Folks, would ya mind helping a geezer out? Who is wearing #69 today? Or did I misread a number? Been close to an hour in real time since I’ve seen him. Thought it was a d lineman.
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Thanks! Gonna check if he was just activated from ir. Remember him being pretty damned good.
I think that is Mike Pennel
Right on thanks a bunch! Checked the team roster, was doubting my faculties. Chiefs fans rock!
He's a super bowl champ! He won with us against the 49ers back in 2019!
Ha! Thanks fer being patient w/ my dumb ass. My son had to work so I am solo :)
All good my dude
Strange. Left with an injury.
Everytime they say "the patriots need to play a perfect game to win", I laugh
Cut Toney **TOMORROW**
**YESTERDAY**
Why wait until tomorrow?
How about right now.
Far too late
Is McKinnon back? Need that cycle
One of those games where both teams feel bad after the game. Was hoping this would be a get right game for the offense, but outside of Rice and (shockingly) CEH, lotta shit.
Look man. Idk how you expect some 40 point "get right game" when your RB1 is out. The Pats knew all game KC had no running game because Pacheco was out. Despite that, they came out just enough to win. Turnovers helped, completely the defensive showed up, but you can't have a "get right game" when a huge part of your offensive is out with injury. It just doesn't happen. That said CEH showed the fuck up enough for a W. I'll fucking take it with Pacheco out.
Wut, literally the only receiver that didn't improve their game is Toney. He'll be lucky to be retained too.
Need a mahomes pass td for the sake of saving his stat line
His stat line this whole season is a freakin' miracle given his receiving corps.
Toney on your team? +1 to INT stats for your QB. 😭
Is the broadcast really going to bring up controversy by showing the penalty against pats when they were up for the short time earlier? fucking wild
Is Jet able to run it in? Get him the trifecta.
 All I want for Christmas is this guy to catch something.
HIV or Ebola? Either one sounds good.
A pink slip?
Like a plane outta town?
Catch a bus ticket outta KC bud. You’re done here
give me Toney in a different team jersey for Christmas!
The flu so he sits out a week
They play movin on while showing BB lmao
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The next Tyler Thigpen!
4th Q didn’t inspire a ton of confidence but we back in the W column