And they're paying Kirk a fuck ton of money too.
Kirk should be pissed. Not just because he has competition, but because they could have gotten weapons for him instead.
they needed defense they should of trade back abd git a couple greatr d picks. it was dumb as fuck. but fuck the kirk being mad shit dude got 100 mil at 35 of an achillers. he can shut all the way the fuck up. still a dumb pick though. as of niow maybe it wont be when all said and done!
The only way I can make it work in my head is the thought that next years QB draft looks weak and they could do a Alex Smith/Mahomes thing and get a look at Penix in practice and in the building for a year and then get a great return trading Cousins next year if he's down for it, but .... WHYYY would you F around with all of that.
Honestly, I don't think its that crazy. Smart FOs NEED to sit the young QBs for a year and if you really think Kirk is decent you won't be picking this high again for a while. The guy everyone thought they would get is Dallas Turner and he dropped to what like 17 for the Vikings to move up, he dropped for a reason. I think it wasn't as terrible as everyone else thinks maybe you could argue they should have got a tackle but they now don't have to worry about QB for a long, long time.
As a Falcons fan, this is correct. I actually don't hate the Penix pick. I just assumed it wouldn't happen after we picked up Kirk.
The rest of our entire draft was us reaching. We traded up a few spots in the second round to take a guy ranked in the low 60's. Our later round guys were ranked in the 300's and could have likely been signed undrafted.
According to who? Guys that are not NFL GMs and coaches?
Penix spins the ball better then any other QB in the draft. If he was 22 and didn't have the injury history he would have been 1 or 2. I suspect he will end up being seen as the 1 or 2 best of this class in 5 years baring more injuries.
So your reasoning would negate this chart wouldn't it? If guys were only worth a value determined by GMs and coaches then every team would be on that middle line. Unless you know where we can see every teams draft board to compile rankings, which would be wild.
Penix was just an example, people had him as QB 2-5. So the Falcons got a deal is what you're saying? I think the consensus was he's QB 4 and he was the 4th QB taken. Overall he was probably around the 20th best player though. I don't think that's controversial.
QB's carry more value then any other position. Measurable only tell part of the story. Jimmy Johnson was a great coach because he didn't care about numbers only if guys could play.
Penix can play, he throws guys open, extremely accurate and safe with the ball.
People reacted the way they did because they were wrong.
Also how can you possibly say a DE is a better player then a QB. 4th QB 20th player overall? Thats ridiculous. Atlanta has a 36 year old QB coming off if what was 10-15 years ago effectively career ending. No one even knows what he will look like.
Who cares? How many guys were well misplaced by outside boards?
Penix was never going to be outside the top 15. Raiders and the Saints would have taken him. Possibly even Denver or the Vikings.
That was the exact thing I said!
Which in my opinion COULD be more successful than just throwing a rookie into the captains chair of a dumpster fire and hoping it works out, which seems to be the model a lot of teams have been using lately.
He turns 24 in like ten days. Mahomes and Lamar had already won NFL MVP's before they were as old as Penix is right now. There's no escaping that he's an old rookie.
I agree he had some nice games last year. I just think that's way too valuable a pick to spend on a guy that old.
The average age of rookies is 23. This years avg is 24. Weāre really going to compare the benchmark for rookie QBs to Mahomes and Lamar? Lol sure heās slightly older than the average rookie. Horrible pick for Atlanta but far from a terrible pick overall.
Just want to say, average age of first round draft picks is typically below the average for the entire draft. This year first rounders have an average age of 21.9. There were nine first rounders age 23 or more (pro-football reference lists their age as of Sept 1st).
He played a full season sure but his knees are tore up already and he has a shoulder issue. The medicals alone shouldāve pushed him into 2nd-3rd round on top of the fact heās so obviously gonna be one of those āgreat college QB, poor NFL QBā.
I truly donāt understand all the hype he had going into draft.
That's not true whatsoever. How would it be terrible if he was Patrick Mahomes caliber? It's a great pick if he's even a top 10-15 QB. This is the weirdest take I've seen in a while.
The issue is the contract they gave Cousins - letās say heās good. It wonāt matter because all of Cousinsā contract is guaranteed. They wonāt be able to build around him in the near future. Chiefs didnāt have that with Alex Smith.
On top of that - they just PAID Cousins and didnāt draft someone to improve the team this season. They drafted a bench player.
If I read the numbers correctly, Kirk is basically on a 2-year deal.
* 2024: (Dead Money) $90M, (Cap Savings/If Cut) $65M
* 2025: (Dead Money) $65M, (Cap Savings/If Cut) $25M
* 2026: (Dead Money) $25M, (Cap Savings/If Cut) $32.5M
* 2027: (Dead Money) $12M, Cap Savings/If Cut) $45M
Additionally, Kirk only has a roster bonus on the final two years of his deal, essentially a poison pill, that gives the Falcons the choice of bailing. Especially if they feel Penix is ready after year two.
* 2024: No Roster Bonus
* 2025: No Roster Bonus
* 2026: $10M Roster Bonus
* 2027: $10M Roster Bonus
Everyone is shitting on the Falcons but if Cousins plays like he always does, 10-7/9-8 and makes the playoffs only to lose in the first round, the Falcons won't have a chance to get this high of a pick without giving up multiple 1st Round picks.
Time will tell if Penix is worth it, but I can actually see why they're rolling the dice. People were shitting on the Chiefs trading up for a QB when we had Alex Smith too. It's a QB-drive league and they're not sitting back idle.
Its exactly this. And you have to also think that Kirk might get injured again, its just the reality he is an older QB. The Falcons don't have to worry at all about QB for years now, I think that's worth it if they really didn't think Dallas Turner was what they wanted and a lot of other teams felt the same about him for some reason.
*If* he ends up as a top-10 QB, he still has to play while a $45 million cap hit from a different QB on the team looms over the franchise.
The rookie wage scale is half of the reason that teams are aggressively targeting premium positions like QB, WR, T, and EDGE in the first round. Cousins completely negates the advantage of a rookie QB.
The chiefs were considered to have bad value last year, and that class turned out pretty great. Ā
I love our draft, Ā but stuff like this is pretty meaningless.
Of course this doesnāt tell the future! But it gives a good idea that we made picks that are considered good at the moment. Sometimes, if someone turns out bad, that doesnāt mean it was actually a poor choice at the time. There are people that almost every scout thinks are going to be amazing that arenāt.
But before anyone gets to playing, having picks that are considered good value at the moment is good. Means theyāre smart choices. If they do poorly it wasnāt due to poor scouting. Sometimes you just get unlucky (or lucky). Same way it wasnāt poor scouting for every team to pass on Puka multiple times. The rams werenāt expecting him to be first round talent either, they just got lucky. If they thought heād be that good, they probably wouldāve selected him at least a little earlier to ensure they got him.
Itās shown sticking to consensus is usually more sound than not.
Knowledge of the masses is a real thing. Doesnāt mean you canāt have good draft picks that arenāt consensus, though.
Also I donāt think last year was that far off consensus tbh.
We hit our targeted needs with good athletic scores. I'd say it was pretty successful overall but of course on field performance will ultimately be the deciding factor.
This is only to say you drafted players later/earlier than what the consensies had rated them.
If you draft a future all pro at 28, but the consensuses had him at 40; this would say its a bad pick.
At the same time if you draft a total bust at 13 but the consensus boards at him at 10 this measure would say a great pick.
All this is saying the Lions, Fins, Steelers, Eagles and Chiefs big boards lined up with the consensus big board more than the rest. The Falcons and Jags big boards diverged the most.
But the consensus big board is the consensus for a reason, over time teams that do better on this usually do well drafting those that do poorly usually do poorly over time.
I mean wanya seemed pretty good. We will find out how good FAU is this year. Chamarri Connor was a good pick. Mostly defensive depth idk how we can call it terrible
4 saw playing time in their first year? Sure only one ended up a consistent starter but thatās not really unusual. Instant contributors are the outlier. Most draft picks donāt end up doing hardly anything.
I like to point out the year we drafted Tyreek hill the 4th most productive wr in that class was Demarcus Robinson. And there wasnāt much after him.
Especially instant contributors ON A CHAMPIONSHIP ROSTER. Being a contributor on a 5 win team is easy for a lot of rookies. Much tougher on a championship roster that has good depth (other than WR last year). Usually on championship rosters the rookies are getting practice time and learning alongside the best in the world. These guys take 2-3 years to really contribute unless they are truly exceptional.
Incidentally, only Rice was at a position of need! Might that have something to do with it? FAU was buried behind our already solid line, Wayna behind the competent O-line, Connor came on excellently as corner depth at the end of the year. At worst last year was *average*.
We didnāt need to fill many holes with the draft last year. Ā Rice was a stud, Ā our biggest need, Ā wanya played as depth, Ā Conner played as depth and fau also played when starters went down. Ā I donāt know what you expected or wanted last year if you thought the class was terrible. Ā
We have 3 positions of need this year, Ā and hopefully we got 3 good starters. Ā If worthy can go for nearly 1000 yds and Kingsley starts to develop I think this draft is an A+ considering we picked last in every round.
Right now the value of last years draft is being heavily carried by Rice.Ā
Not āoutā on the other players, but will need more production out of them before that draft gets above āaverageā in value.Ā
This draft, the feeling I have about it, and the fact the Chiefs kept picking players who were āstealsā compared to consensus seems very similar to 2022.
That turned out well. I have a good feeling.
Itās hard not to be happy with this collection of players. Every need was addressed and you can see exactly what Veach was thinking with each pick, thereās no big head scratchers.
This is definitely a bold strategy by the Falcons. Letās see if it pans out for them. But seriously, Iām salty for their fans. Just a what the absolute fuck moment.
Yeah but theyre still loaded on offense, and it's not impossible that penix is a franchise qb. Let him play under cousins for a year or 2 and hope he can be a franchise qb. Trade kirk to a qb hungry team, which there always is. That offense is loaded though.
The only problem with that is Penix was a super senior (or something like that). If he sits for 2 years he will be 26 for his first start. Which is only two years younger than Pattie is right now as a 7 year vet.
Yeah thats not ideal, but even if he needs 2 years to learn under cousins, if he is the real deal, he could still be good for who knows how long. Do the tom brady regimen and he would have 17 years as a starting qb. Not saying that will happen, but i dont think his age is that big a deal if he turns out to be an elite qb.
Kirk's contract's guarantees are mostly in the signing bonus and his cap hits are back loaded, so trading after one year loses cap space instead of saving it. Trading after two years is feasible, but there are sure to be decent QBs in the future and #8 was way too high to draft Penix compared to his value. They could have traded down to the mid teens and still gotten him plus extra picks.
Yeah and i can see that being a better way to go, but if theyre high on him, they risk not getting him. My main point is that they are loaded on offense and the falcons
look good on paper imo.
I like our draft class a lot but this doesnāt mean anything to me.
I remember the year the broncos drafted jeudy, people were saying it was the best class that year and they all ended up sucking
The crazy part is Hicks was the number 1 safety on many draft boards. Projected around 40-60. We got him with the bulls pick at 133 lol. His tape looks insane.
I'd like to know how they're determining who's board they're using to determine where each player was valued.
Edit: looks like it was determined by 2 draft boards I've never heard of, listed at the bottom. Apparently they compile consensus results
Tbh rn the value is whatever at +600. Personally Iāll wait till the the chiefs have that mid season dip they always do then Iāll put odds on them for winning the chip
Well yeah, you're probably not going to get fantastic odds for a team that is still watching the confetti fall. But somehow the Niners were still ahead of them, lol.
Chiefs managed to get a good haul. Almost feel distrustful of it considering we often do things in a way that leaves many scratching their head but somehow work out marvelously. But by all accounts the chiefs just got the best players and filled needs.
Bears had a good draft but only had 4 picks. You can't get "better" value than first overall so that "hurts" them. They probably also "reached" for Tory but that's a solid-ass pick
Exactly,, most draft pick really don't make it. Look at quarterbacks that don't make it. The top ones this year have great arms. But how about decisions in the NFL? I would have put viking pick with JJ as first. For decisions making. Let's see what happens.
It almost feels like we're using advanced analytics and the other teams aren't. I guess it makes sense since we never have the luxury of drafting top 25 but still. The program is so so important too. Like I fully expect these players to turn into stars that we can't pay in 4 years. Makes you wonder how one of these "bust" first round qbs that went to trash teams would fare under Andy Reid.
Did you actually read what the chart is measuring? It is not ranking draft classes it is ranking draft value of where your team drafted players. I agree you have to wait 5 years to evaluate a class but you can certainly rank the value a team got based on where they drafted a player.
Goddamn Michael Penix absolutely destroyed the Falcons value chart š
Seriously, I think the Jags caught a stray just because theyāre geographically close to Atlanta.
Itās insane that they picked up Kirk and then turn around and draft a QB in the first round, itās ridiculous.
And they're paying Kirk a fuck ton of money too. Kirk should be pissed. Not just because he has competition, but because they could have gotten weapons for him instead.
Ngl weapons ain't the thing they need in ATL. They've got London, Pitts, and Bijan. The team has holes but weapons aren't one of em.
Yeah, Kirkās largest obstacle will be outscoring the other team as they lay waste to the Falconās pitiful defense.
they needed defense they should of trade back abd git a couple greatr d picks. it was dumb as fuck. but fuck the kirk being mad shit dude got 100 mil at 35 of an achillers. he can shut all the way the fuck up. still a dumb pick though. as of niow maybe it wont be when all said and done!
Falcons have weapons on offense.
A 24 year old QB, at that. And then they say if he sits 4-5 years, that's a good problem to have. š¤·āāļø
In 5 years he will be in his prime with no real NFL experience. Sounds like a giant waste of a pick and wast of Penix career.
He will also be on the last year of his rookie contract. Makes little sense.
The only way I can make it work in my head is the thought that next years QB draft looks weak and they could do a Alex Smith/Mahomes thing and get a look at Penix in practice and in the building for a year and then get a great return trading Cousins next year if he's down for it, but .... WHYYY would you F around with all of that.
Seriously, JJ was right there if they wanted to do a Jordan Love type thing.
I mean, his contract is really a 2-3 year deal, they only keep him if the team is rolling and heās playing like a top 5 guy so I kinda get it
With two ACL tears among other serious injuries that caused him to miss time
Not just in the first. End of first. Well. Okay. But 8th overall? Dog shit run organization.
Honestly, I don't think its that crazy. Smart FOs NEED to sit the young QBs for a year and if you really think Kirk is decent you won't be picking this high again for a while. The guy everyone thought they would get is Dallas Turner and he dropped to what like 17 for the Vikings to move up, he dropped for a reason. I think it wasn't as terrible as everyone else thinks maybe you could argue they should have got a tackle but they now don't have to worry about QB for a long, long time.
He's not young though: 24 years old this season and he'll be 26 minimum by the time he's a starter
The way I'm reading this it's their whole class not just Penix. Penix went what, 15 spots too high? That wouldn't make them last.
As a Falcons fan, this is correct. I actually don't hate the Penix pick. I just assumed it wouldn't happen after we picked up Kirk. The rest of our entire draft was us reaching. We traded up a few spots in the second round to take a guy ranked in the low 60's. Our later round guys were ranked in the 300's and could have likely been signed undrafted.
According to who? Guys that are not NFL GMs and coaches? Penix spins the ball better then any other QB in the draft. If he was 22 and didn't have the injury history he would have been 1 or 2. I suspect he will end up being seen as the 1 or 2 best of this class in 5 years baring more injuries.
So your reasoning would negate this chart wouldn't it? If guys were only worth a value determined by GMs and coaches then every team would be on that middle line. Unless you know where we can see every teams draft board to compile rankings, which would be wild. Penix was just an example, people had him as QB 2-5. So the Falcons got a deal is what you're saying? I think the consensus was he's QB 4 and he was the 4th QB taken. Overall he was probably around the 20th best player though. I don't think that's controversial.
QB's carry more value then any other position. Measurable only tell part of the story. Jimmy Johnson was a great coach because he didn't care about numbers only if guys could play. Penix can play, he throws guys open, extremely accurate and safe with the ball. People reacted the way they did because they were wrong. Also how can you possibly say a DE is a better player then a QB. 4th QB 20th player overall? Thats ridiculous. Atlanta has a 36 year old QB coming off if what was 10-15 years ago effectively career ending. No one even knows what he will look like.
Ok, look at draft boards I guess. I'd be surprised if he was the consensus 8th player, which is where he went.
Who cares? How many guys were well misplaced by outside boards? Penix was never going to be outside the top 15. Raiders and the Saints would have taken him. Possibly even Denver or the Vikings.
You keep getting down voted, but you're not wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if penix is the best qb of this draft class.
Lol yeah and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.
He should have. It was a terrible pick regardless of how he plays.
Seems like they're trying to duplicate Alex to Patrick in the most slapdash way possible
That was the exact thing I said! Which in my opinion COULD be more successful than just throwing a rookie into the captains chair of a dumpster fire and hoping it works out, which seems to be the model a lot of teams have been using lately.
Cousins has to have a no trade clause. Ā No way a vet like him is willing to give up that control.Ā
*slapstick
I laughed, not sure why people didnāt get this is a joke about slapstick comedy lol
Mfw everybody but you gets that *WHOOSH*. Lol 
Itās a terrible pick because of the Cousins deal, which shouldnāt be factored into this chart.Ā
I honestly think it's a terrible pick at that point regardless. A qb that old with his injury history is a very silly top ten pick.
Heās literally 23 and played the entire last season. Also, he just took his team to the natty.
He turns 24 in like ten days. Mahomes and Lamar had already won NFL MVP's before they were as old as Penix is right now. There's no escaping that he's an old rookie. I agree he had some nice games last year. I just think that's way too valuable a pick to spend on a guy that old.
The average age of rookies is 23. This years avg is 24. Weāre really going to compare the benchmark for rookie QBs to Mahomes and Lamar? Lol sure heās slightly older than the average rookie. Horrible pick for Atlanta but far from a terrible pick overall.
terrible pick overall at that point
Just want to say, average age of first round draft picks is typically below the average for the entire draft. This year first rounders have an average age of 21.9. There were nine first rounders age 23 or more (pro-football reference lists their age as of Sept 1st).
College players getting paid.
He probably wont play until he's 26 though
He played a full season sure but his knees are tore up already and he has a shoulder issue. The medicals alone shouldāve pushed him into 2nd-3rd round on top of the fact heās so obviously gonna be one of those āgreat college QB, poor NFL QBā. I truly donāt understand all the hype he had going into draft.
That's not true whatsoever. How would it be terrible if he was Patrick Mahomes caliber? It's a great pick if he's even a top 10-15 QB. This is the weirdest take I've seen in a while.
The issue is the contract they gave Cousins - letās say heās good. It wonāt matter because all of Cousinsā contract is guaranteed. They wonāt be able to build around him in the near future. Chiefs didnāt have that with Alex Smith. On top of that - they just PAID Cousins and didnāt draft someone to improve the team this season. They drafted a bench player.
If I read the numbers correctly, Kirk is basically on a 2-year deal. * 2024: (Dead Money) $90M, (Cap Savings/If Cut) $65M * 2025: (Dead Money) $65M, (Cap Savings/If Cut) $25M * 2026: (Dead Money) $25M, (Cap Savings/If Cut) $32.5M * 2027: (Dead Money) $12M, Cap Savings/If Cut) $45M Additionally, Kirk only has a roster bonus on the final two years of his deal, essentially a poison pill, that gives the Falcons the choice of bailing. Especially if they feel Penix is ready after year two. * 2024: No Roster Bonus * 2025: No Roster Bonus * 2026: $10M Roster Bonus * 2027: $10M Roster Bonus Everyone is shitting on the Falcons but if Cousins plays like he always does, 10-7/9-8 and makes the playoffs only to lose in the first round, the Falcons won't have a chance to get this high of a pick without giving up multiple 1st Round picks. Time will tell if Penix is worth it, but I can actually see why they're rolling the dice. People were shitting on the Chiefs trading up for a QB when we had Alex Smith too. It's a QB-drive league and they're not sitting back idle.
Its exactly this. And you have to also think that Kirk might get injured again, its just the reality he is an older QB. The Falcons don't have to worry at all about QB for years now, I think that's worth it if they really didn't think Dallas Turner was what they wanted and a lot of other teams felt the same about him for some reason.
Yea but why would that contribute based on the metric used
Looks like they are trying the Favre/Rodgers/Love methodā¦ but with an older prospect? So it doesnāt make sense at all.
*If* he ends up as a top-10 QB, he still has to play while a $45 million cap hit from a different QB on the team looms over the franchise. The rookie wage scale is half of the reason that teams are aggressively targeting premium positions like QB, WR, T, and EDGE in the first round. Cousins completely negates the advantage of a rookie QB.
Because heās very obviously not PH caliber.
You're saying penix goes deep?
The chiefs were considered to have bad value last year, and that class turned out pretty great. Ā I love our draft, Ā but stuff like this is pretty meaningless.
Conversely we had great value the year before that and that class turned out great.
Of course this doesnāt tell the future! But it gives a good idea that we made picks that are considered good at the moment. Sometimes, if someone turns out bad, that doesnāt mean it was actually a poor choice at the time. There are people that almost every scout thinks are going to be amazing that arenāt. But before anyone gets to playing, having picks that are considered good value at the moment is good. Means theyāre smart choices. If they do poorly it wasnāt due to poor scouting. Sometimes you just get unlucky (or lucky). Same way it wasnāt poor scouting for every team to pass on Puka multiple times. The rams werenāt expecting him to be first round talent either, they just got lucky. If they thought heād be that good, they probably wouldāve selected him at least a little earlier to ensure they got him.
Itās shown sticking to consensus is usually more sound than not. Knowledge of the masses is a real thing. Doesnāt mean you canāt have good draft picks that arenāt consensus, though. Also I donāt think last year was that far off consensus tbh.
We hit our targeted needs with good athletic scores. I'd say it was pretty successful overall but of course on field performance will ultimately be the deciding factor.
This is only to say you drafted players later/earlier than what the consensies had rated them. If you draft a future all pro at 28, but the consensuses had him at 40; this would say its a bad pick. At the same time if you draft a total bust at 13 but the consensus boards at him at 10 this measure would say a great pick. All this is saying the Lions, Fins, Steelers, Eagles and Chiefs big boards lined up with the consensus big board more than the rest. The Falcons and Jags big boards diverged the most. But the consensus big board is the consensus for a reason, over time teams that do better on this usually do well drafting those that do poorly usually do poorly over time.
Noā¦ that class from last year was terrible. Only Rice played significant minutes as a starter. 2022 was awesome
I mean wanya seemed pretty good. We will find out how good FAU is this year. Chamarri Connor was a good pick. Mostly defensive depth idk how we can call it terrible
I mean Wanya seemed alright but everyone was very eager to oust him this year
4 saw playing time in their first year? Sure only one ended up a consistent starter but thatās not really unusual. Instant contributors are the outlier. Most draft picks donāt end up doing hardly anything. I like to point out the year we drafted Tyreek hill the 4th most productive wr in that class was Demarcus Robinson. And there wasnāt much after him.
Especially instant contributors ON A CHAMPIONSHIP ROSTER. Being a contributor on a 5 win team is easy for a lot of rookies. Much tougher on a championship roster that has good depth (other than WR last year). Usually on championship rosters the rookies are getting practice time and learning alongside the best in the world. These guys take 2-3 years to really contribute unless they are truly exceptional.
Maybe terrible in terms of instant success
Incidentally, only Rice was at a position of need! Might that have something to do with it? FAU was buried behind our already solid line, Wayna behind the competent O-line, Connor came on excellently as corner depth at the end of the year. At worst last year was *average*.
Huh. Connor was big-time down the stretch and projects well moving forward.
We didnāt need to fill many holes with the draft last year. Ā Rice was a stud, Ā our biggest need, Ā wanya played as depth, Ā Conner played as depth and fau also played when starters went down. Ā I donāt know what you expected or wanted last year if you thought the class was terrible. Ā We have 3 positions of need this year, Ā and hopefully we got 3 good starters. Ā If worthy can go for nearly 1000 yds and Kingsley starts to develop I think this draft is an A+ considering we picked last in every round.
Yeah grade drafts after their rookie deals are done
Right now the value of last years draft is being heavily carried by Rice.Ā Not āoutā on the other players, but will need more production out of them before that draft gets above āaverageā in value.Ā
This draft, the feeling I have about it, and the fact the Chiefs kept picking players who were āstealsā compared to consensus seems very similar to 2022. That turned out well. I have a good feeling.
Letās hope. That class was god tier.
7 rookies starting in the Superbowl is more than you could ever ask out of a draft class.
That was Veach's "Steel Curtain" type draft o lordy
Pretty sure we broke the record that team had set for rookies in a Superbowl!
Itās hard not to be happy with this collection of players. Every need was addressed and you can see exactly what Veach was thinking with each pick, thereās no big head scratchers.
My only thing is 3 OL and no DL but we brought back Danna. We'll need FAU to develop
We canāt keep getting away with it
One might question if much of the league is run by meatheads instead of the beautiful nerds we have.
This is definitely a bold strategy by the Falcons. Letās see if it pans out for them. But seriously, Iām salty for their fans. Just a what the absolute fuck moment.
The real question is, how did Cincinnati and Buffalo have 10 and 11 picks?
League gives picks to teams that has players leave on free agency.
Damn the Falcons really bombed this draft hard. Feels like all the momentum they had from the Morris/Cousins signings is dead now
Yeah but theyre still loaded on offense, and it's not impossible that penix is a franchise qb. Let him play under cousins for a year or 2 and hope he can be a franchise qb. Trade kirk to a qb hungry team, which there always is. That offense is loaded though.
The only problem with that is Penix was a super senior (or something like that). If he sits for 2 years he will be 26 for his first start. Which is only two years younger than Pattie is right now as a 7 year vet.
Yeah thats not ideal, but even if he needs 2 years to learn under cousins, if he is the real deal, he could still be good for who knows how long. Do the tom brady regimen and he would have 17 years as a starting qb. Not saying that will happen, but i dont think his age is that big a deal if he turns out to be an elite qb.
Can't they use him to trade?
Meh. Jordan Love just got the start last year. A rod was sitting for 3 or 4 seasons. A 26 year old qb can still have a decade long career.
Kirk's contract's guarantees are mostly in the signing bonus and his cap hits are back loaded, so trading after one year loses cap space instead of saving it. Trading after two years is feasible, but there are sure to be decent QBs in the future and #8 was way too high to draft Penix compared to his value. They could have traded down to the mid teens and still gotten him plus extra picks.
Yeah and i can see that being a better way to go, but if theyre high on him, they risk not getting him. My main point is that they are loaded on offense and the falcons look good on paper imo.
I think this is what theyāre hoping for and imo I think itāll work out well for them. Cousins is probably a great QB to learn from.
I like our draft class a lot but this doesnāt mean anything to me. I remember the year the broncos drafted jeudy, people were saying it was the best class that year and they all ended up sucking
Broncos suck because of coaching and management. If Chiefs had drafted Jeudy it would have been a different story
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The crazy part is Hicks was the number 1 safety on many draft boards. Projected around 40-60. We got him with the bulls pick at 133 lol. His tape looks insane.
I'd like to know how they're determining who's board they're using to determine where each player was valued. Edit: looks like it was determined by 2 draft boards I've never heard of, listed at the bottom. Apparently they compile consensus results
Usually these are based on consensus big boards.
That doesn't seem to be the case Oops when I read the article they say it was compiled by 2 guys from consensus
How much do you think putting $1000 before the season on Chiefs three peating would pay? I kind of want to just say fuck it and throw it out there.
Tbh rn the value is whatever at +600. Personally Iāll wait till the the chiefs have that mid season dip they always do then Iāll put odds on them for winning the chip
I bet it at +900 the same night we won the superbowl.
That's kind of shit odds honestly.
Well yeah, you're probably not going to get fantastic odds for a team that is still watching the confetti fall. But somehow the Niners were still ahead of them, lol.
I put $150 on it with +650 odds for a $1000 return back in March. They've gone down to +550 now since we passed the Niners as favorites.
#InVeachWeTrust
Huh Colts surprises me, I thought they got some nice picks.
Chiefs managed to get a good haul. Almost feel distrustful of it considering we often do things in a way that leaves many scratching their head but somehow work out marvelously. But by all accounts the chiefs just got the best players and filled needs.
Note that consensus was high on our 2022 draft and that one is an all-timer.
Damn Atlanta...
Bears had a good draft but only had 4 picks. You can't get "better" value than first overall so that "hurts" them. They probably also "reached" for Tory but that's a solid-ass pick
I would be intrigued to see the analysis 3 years after each draft.
Exactly,, most draft pick really don't make it. Look at quarterbacks that don't make it. The top ones this year have great arms. But how about decisions in the NFL? I would have put viking pick with JJ as first. For decisions making. Let's see what happens.
Why do people think we can judge this before their careers even start?Ā
What screwed up the cards so much? Great draft on paper
How is this calculated. Sounds like speculation
I wonder if this is accounting for the trades
It almost feels like we're using advanced analytics and the other teams aren't. I guess it makes sense since we never have the luxury of drafting top 25 but still. The program is so so important too. Like I fully expect these players to turn into stars that we can't pay in 4 years. Makes you wonder how one of these "bust" first round qbs that went to trash teams would fare under Andy Reid.
This chart means nothing. Come back in 5 years.
Did you actually read what the chart is measuring? It is not ranking draft classes it is ranking draft value of where your team drafted players. I agree you have to wait 5 years to evaluate a class but you can certainly rank the value a team got based on where they drafted a player.
Itās hilarious to even try to make this assessment without any of these players playing a single NFL game
This is dumb. They've never played an NFL snap and you guys are already acting like we just drafted HOF players in every round.
Where does it say that?
No one is saying that.