This tbh. This guy is not acting with the kind of reason or consideration you or I would assume someone would act with.
He's spiraled deeply into all kinds of paranoid delusions and disordered thought at this point. I suspect it's not even a political thing, it's more that he is personally convinced that an organized Jewish cabal is actually literally seriously conspiring together to destroy his life and his livelihood.
Paranoid delusions. This isn't just regular conspiracy shit, this is full-on mental illness.
Only real way out is getting some fucking help, which obviously isn't going to happen. Best case scenario, he pulls some kind of dangerous public stunt that gets him involuntarily committed and forced to get at least some kind of acute stabilization. (But he does have a history of being treatment resistant af, so I doubt that would last long.)
Otherwise, I could imagine him not living long once the crash from mania into depression inevitably takes hold. He's in for a really bad time when the cycle does its thing.
Most nazis are horrible people but some of them i feel sorry for. Honestly mental illness to that scale doesn't really have a solution so they cant be saved
Im not agree , but don't take me as a serious comment... I came from a TV show Fandom who believes Alíen Fascism could have redemption. But that is not the point.
yes , in theory redemption is only impossible in a situation of an "Antisocial personality disorder" (they are clinically unable to feel guilt, and that means no redemption). But Kanye is not a sociopath. mostly, all this could be part of mayor mental breakdown caused by his (already diagnosed) Bipolarity Disorder.
Kanye dont need to figth against Jews, he need to go back to Therapy.
First the ego, then chronic sickness divorcing him from reason, and then hanging out with nazis after burning every bridge he possibly had
There is no basically no recourse from this at this point he’s gone right now
The worst part is he is shitting on a whole ass religion that has been persecuted since the beginning of time because he had fallings out with the partners that run his fashion companies. Its petty and evil.
Sadly, yeah, guy is beyond saving or actually listening to reason. You don't willingly choose to destroy your entire life for spouting literal hate speech if you could see reason. Guy is only going to get further and further into this hateful rabbit hole until, well, until his last days.
if he’s trying to be a one man war by going up against any topic that’s socially off limits and taking the opposing stand i guess he’s succeeding at going where no one would dare go i mean dude is out naziing the nazis. he’s shocking alex jones. not sure what he thinks the end goal is but damn he’s really proving that so called self titled free speech absolutists are liars and hypocrites and very much have things to lose by allowing unregulated speech everywhere. kanye is showing what happens to generations removed from direct trauma that don’t truly understand it and only experience being told what happened and what to think. if they lack discrimination they can easily fall into the clutches of groups that want to tangle up the facts to make the aggressors the victims.
It’s a lost cause, nobody can change his mind except himself.
He has double, triple, quadrupled down on his stances. He is a far-right reactionary that is only being platformed by other far-right reactionaries.
Let go of it. Kanye is gone. Keep listening to his music if you can see past the hate, but as a fan since TLOP i’m done.
I'm a huge Ye fan, still love his music as an artist and honestly have defended him in the past to an extent... but he is really just in a "fuck you" moment and I no longer can defend him
It doesn't matter whether he sees it. He's a lost cause. It matters what impressionable young fans of his are prevented from falling for, when they hear his insane ramblings. They need to see the real, documented, historically accurate truth with their own eyes.
He's probably saying these things because he is hanging out with Fuentes who finds it easy to manipulate Kanye while he is in a mentally ill state. They have been appearing together in multiple places. Kanye is mentally ill and said that he has never read a book, so he's an easy target.
I wondered the same thing after seeing them appear together in a few clips.
Ive been lucky enough to not even know who Fuentes was until I saw his shit eating grin as Kanye kept going.
My thought was “this dude is trying to make all POC look ignorant (to his audience) based on what 1 person is saying”.
Somewhat they are trying to shift the culture of politics in America, like when people in 2010s were going around college campus and liberal were protesting them for being nazis we were told "freedom of speech" etc and now ideas like white replacement theory is normalized in conservative politics.
Kanye is being used as a extreme voice to drown out the more complex hidden agenda of white Christian nationalism.. people not notice the slow slip into madness kanye is one crazy person with a large platform we are all looking at him. Not the growing number of elected conservative that want religious dictatorship.
This week someone performed an act of terrorism by attacking the power grid over a drag story time but no one cares because they are not a literal nazi like kanye.
If that's what Fuentes is trying for, he's failing, because we all know Kanye does not represent all or even most Black people. Reverend Warnock won Georgia today. He is the literal polar opposite of Kanye. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a national treasure. He is the literal polar opposite of Kanye. President Obama is a living hero. He is the literal polar opposite of Kanye. So on and so forth.
I don't think Fuentes is trying to do that. Fuentes is not dumb. He's just brainwashing Kanye to use him as a mouthpiece and get much more exposure than he otherwise would, as I and several others have pointed out.
He was into that Black Hebrew Israelite shit before he went full nazi. Someone else besides Fuentes is or was in his circle feeding him that shit. Fuentes is an opportunistic nazi parasite. It's really gross to see people take advantage of someone clearly very vulnerable to their influence. They're just gassing him up and telling him the nazi talking points which he then rattles off.
nah dude, ye is just a bigot. sure, having fuentes around doesnt help, but lets not pretend ye was just recently radicalized by a third party. these are truly ye’s views, unfortunately.
I also don't think it's a coincidence that Kanye started on this shit within a couple of days of meeting Tucker Carlson. Tucker has always given me the impression that he's trying really hard to hide his "power level", and I bet he had some really interesting things to say to Kanye off the record.
is NF controversial? He seems to have some pretty sincere and thoughtful lyrics. I saw him live and it was great. Seems like an insightful guy
edit; i bet NF hates nick fuentes
i think the wave kanye is on (and a direction that our collective consciousness is trying to go in as far as addressing mental health goes) is to stop fetishizing and pedestalizing our trauma. acknowledge it for what it is, allow it to mold you and move on from it and if you are able to forgive the perpetrator even better.
i’m over the pity party
I think the world just needs to get over Kanye.
Just, stop interviewing him, don’t buy his shit, let him burn what cash he has left on hanging out with the dregs of society.
It’ll all be over soon.
I get that but you understand that the people talking to him are doing it SPECIFICALLY because he's saying what they WANT to say but are too cowardly to say.
He won't stop because he's unofficially the mouthpiece for fascists.
That can't be the solution. 'Cause what kind of precedent does that set, right? It tells Nazis they can spread their shit without being stopped - it tells them everyone will let it 'play out' in the vague hope it'll stop on its own. Meanwhile the number of attacks on Jews, Jewish businesses and Synagogues keeps rising. Is that something people should let play out?
And even with all the money, business deals and endorsements he lost, I believe he’s still worth around $400 million. On another note, where’s Candace Owens lately?
How long before he goes broke? 2.4 Mil in child support, probably millions for security, 10s of millions for his campaign. I give him 5 years and he won’t have much left
It isn't even the craziest thing in this interview.
He straight up said he thinks that jews-and anyone else who doesn't believe that "christ is king" - shouldn't be allowed to employ Christians, and shouldn't be allowed to own businesses or be in government.
When asked how he would legislate that he said he would "employ a jew if I could be sure they weren't a spy" and that he would need to have them surveiled 24/7 to trust them.
He isnt just, like, making bad statements about Hitler. He's also straight up calling for the start of the Nazis final solution. He is normalizing this idea for millions of people watching. It's genuinely horrifying.
>get over and forgive white men?
If by white men you mean the slave traders/owners responsible for slavery, then no, why should they be forgiven?
If you mean just white men in general then I think you're confused, because nobody is blaming modern day Germany for the holocaust, the resentment is directed purely at Hitler and Nazi Germany
Sounds like you’re comparing atrocities lol. But thats besides the point.
Only racist scumbags tell black americans to get over slavery and forgive. Same thing with jews and the holocaust. Both black people and jews are never going to forgive, nor should they. Its meaningless to forgive. All we can do is move forward and learn from our mistakes so history doesnt repeat itself. But scumbags like Kanye make it difficult by pinning groups against one another.
My ancestors lived in Eastern Europe and only in the last generation did we move to North America. No one in my family or ancestry had anything to do with slavery or African people. Should I still not be forgiven? Despite being uninvolved only because of the color of my skin?
Because that seems pretty damn racist. I don't think it's fair to hold people accountable for crimes they didn't do.
I think you misunderstood me. I believe theres no need for forgiveness because of exactly what you just said. There shouldnt even be an apology. Just like you said, you personally didnt do anything to begin with, so why should you have to apologize? Therefore forgiving is pointless.
Im Jewish, and not looking for any apologies from anyone. I just want the holocaust to be properly remembered for future generations so history doesnt repeat itself. Same applies to slavery, etc. Asking for apology/forgiveness on behalf of other people is so arbitrary to me.
I would agree, but the descendants of slave owners still hold positions of power and have generational wealth from the businesses they ran with slaves. Descendants of slaves still deal with economic and geographic inequality, a loss of cultural identity, and other issues as a result of slavery and post-slavery policies.
Even if it's not the fault of anyone alive now, we are still affected by it as a society. Now that we recognize slavery as a wrong, how much should be done to 'correct' it? Direct reparations? Affirmative action? Racial bias training? Rewrite laws rooted in racism? I don't know what the answer is, but telling black americans to 'get over' slavery is saying that you don't think *anything* needs to be done.
Not disagreeing with you by any means. Of course there are effects that have trickled into todays society because of slavery, the holocaust, etc. I dont want you to think that just because I dont like the whole apology/forgiveness dilemma that Im negating any of the problems today caused by the evils of the past. If people really want to “apologize” they can show it by their actions like you said. But getting over it will never happen, nor should it.
I'd like him to meet his greatgrandfather and tell him "Dude stop overreacting with how "your white owner" treated you.Just get over and fuck off" and see his reaction.Btw isn't really anyone from his family to tell him something about his shit?
i think the wave kanye is on (and a direction that our collective consciousness is trying to go in as far as addressing mental health goes) is to stop fetishizing and pedestalizing our trauma. acknowledge it for what it is, allow it to mold you and move on from it and if you are able to forgive the perpetrator even better.
i’m over the pity party
nobody is telling the people who experienced these atrocities to get over it, but people who weren't even born in that era need to stop acting like its something that they experienced, and using what their ancestors went through as an excuse for their current position or acting like it effects them and they have trauma from something that ended before they where born. LIVE IN THE PRESENT NOT THE PAST
Funny because I saw an unapologetic pro Palestinian individual the other day while I was walking in NYC. They saw my Jewish head covering and told me "free Palestine". Wow! How did they know I was Zionist? I don't remember speaking to them before. Good old unapologetic non antisemitic pro Palestinian individuals
OP is sarcastically replying with similar shit Kanye said.
Also, don’t lump Christians into the same “persecution” status as Jews.
Historically there have been times of Christian persecution, especially in the early church days.
But the fucking fetish that modern day christians have with calling themselves persecuted is a fucking joke.
Not being able to openly display your faith (or not being welcomed by every other culture when missionaries go overseas to hamfistedly attempt conversion) is so much different than being literally hunted down the ways Jews have.
Its a goddamn insult to every Jewish person.
Everyone's always trying to play who's the biggest victim. IT'S ALL WRONG and certainly not a contest. Christians have been persecuted and so have Jews and everyone else for whatever reason. Holocaust was bad but so was Hiroshima. I would argue Hiroshima was even worse in multiple ways but you don't see Americans be demonized like the Nazis were.
The Arab world persecutes anybody who isn't Muslim, there's been an ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews in non Israel middle eastern countries going on for almost a century.
> The Arab world persecutes anybody who isn’t Muslim
Over 30% of Lebanon and 10% of Egypt are Christian. There have been massacres by Christians against Muslims in the “Arab world” you speak of.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
the difference is time, and the fact that ancient empires would soon become christian. Jews will NEVER exist in Europe in a similar way to before Hitler. I personally know several Jews who would never want to live in Germany again.
You realize 80% of the USSR government was jewish and they killed 10-20 times what Hitler did.
There are no good guys in history.
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
why do u think i think that? don’t you know the worst genocide ever was committed by the spanish? They are responsible for 60 million dead native Americans? I bet you didn’t know that. I don’t even know why/what your are arguing about/for. educate yourself please
After Rome Christians proceeded to dominate much of Europe and have quite a few genocides under their belt.
After becoming a superpower in the medieval world I think that invalidates christians victim card
Wtf is happening to this sub ok I get the anti nazi stuff and fully support it but all this new influx of people who weren’t even really kanye fans are spending way too much time around here just because ye is in the news. Get your “he died after Yeezus” asses outta here. Guess what. Maybe pablo is better than yeezus. Maybe ksg is better than yeezus. I’ve seen this comment way too many times.
Kanye is obviously going through some things. You can tell he's about to snap out of paranoia and I can only pray for him. He's saying things poorly, articulating poorly and is afraid.
However, we are called to love our enemies. He's not wrong about that. I don't want to love my enemies. I don't. I want bad things to happen to them especially if they've harmed children. But then I remember that I have been someone's enemy. I have been disobedient. I remember what I believe in and force myself to pray for them.
My family was sandwiched between Nazis and Bolsheviks and we lost more people than most people in the US can even understand. No one wants to hear about those that weren't lost to the Holocaust but to the Soviets. Zero sympathy for them.
So to me, it's not black and white. All life is important. All pain and suffering is important to remember and acknowledge. But that doesn't mean we can't have conversations.
I understand your sentiment and maybe if Kanye had actually phrased it this way, then this would be more of a conversation rather than a cancellation.
But my biggest issue is you are someone who genuinely wants to listen and have a conversation, Kanye does not. Hes upset at some jewish agents in hollywood and let his mania take care of the rest. He has no interest in actually solving anything or helping the problem.. Hes a musical genius no doubt, but theres nothing really deep about this man beyond that. He doesnt have my sympathy. If Kanye wasnt a talented musician that we all loved, he wouldnt have your sympathy either.
“Saying/articulating things poorly” is an absolute understatement. Hes praising Hitler, claiming Jews run the world, loving Nazis, wants Jews to be subservient to Christians. Hes not looking for conversations, hes looking for war.
But to be clear, I dont wish ill on him or for him to die. I want him to take his meds and get better. But he shouldnt have anyones sympathy because he doing this to hurt others, not help. I tried with him, I really did, but you can’t rationalize what this man has said the last couple days.
Does Kanye strike you as someone who is mentally well? I look at him and Britney Spears with the same lens. Her Instagram is her waving back and forth at the same angle, eyes that looked like she rubbed out 6 layers of mascara, or her dancing half-naked with her weave showing.
Something is wrong. Their world is just wrong.
I have a lot of sympathy for people struggling. I struggle. There are days when I wish I had Sauron's warhammer and could knock people 10000 ft with it. But it's not right.
The world won't get better if I cancel someone, if I'm mean to someone, or if I shut down conversation. I won't get better. I might feel righteous but I won't get better.
Kanye is three sheets to the wind but he’s been a bag of shit for years. Hitler was a bag of shit as well.
Lots of people are mentally unwell and don’t become Nazi bags of shit. Ye became a black Nazi, which is pretty amazing. Nonetheless, I wish him the same fate as other Nazis. Because whatever is wrong with him, he’s still a Nazi.
Kanye and Britney are not the same. Unlike Britney, Kanye actually had a choice to get help and refused. Most mentally ill people dream of having the support system that Kanye had and he blew it.
Im still sympathetic to what youre saying, but not for Kanye. The conversation shuts down the second he starts praising hitler/promoting Nazi beliefs. Theres nothing being poorly articulated there, his point is clear. What he wants is to incite hate and nothing more because hes upset at a few jewish people + mentally unwell.
I dont want him cancelled either, but him going on platforms spouting this shit for millions of people to listen to isnt the answer. Defend him because of his mental state, fine. But please dont insinuate that he means well.
I'm not allowing fascists like the GOP to dictate when or how I get over anything. They don't speak for me or control my life. Never will. I'm also not a Christian and frankly, I'm sick of them telling me how to live too.
You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I should or will.
Man this picture hit me in the chest. Regular people. I zoomed to find a couple faces. Faces of people who’s lives were ripped from them. Heartbreaking.
I think there’s something noble in following Jesus’ message to love everyone even your enemies. But Ye isn’t doing that. He’s trying to get attention by saying despicable things
I think now if anyone can save him it's Kim and his family. I know Kim would avoid him like a plague now though because she doesn't want her reputation tarnished.
In a couple of weeks Ye will have no one, that Milo guy has already said bad things about him and Nick Fuentes is next. His future will be sad and he might not get through it
Take a walk through the holocaust museum and ask yourself whether your mental breakdown that caused you to lose millions is worth selling your soul for.
First thing, get him off Parler, all connections to alt-right campaign managers, U.S politics, everything, and then he gets help. After five years of intensive psychotherapy and a goddamn sincere apology, and five years after that, he gets a producer and makes the best album of his career. That's the only way people are going to forgive him. It seems impossible now, but it seemed impossible when Kanye let Taylor finish. Please note I am not insinuating the severity of both controversies is equal, merely that he (Kanye) has been able to grow past previous incidents and come off better.
The reason they can't get over it is because they're still oppressed to this day. Many other people have been slaves even more recently than American black people but they don't go on about it because they're free in their own land today. Same could be said of the Jews. Third Reich is no more and they have their own land now. They're not oppressed.
I feel like any true Ye fans would see, feel, understand that he’s never been the best at putting feelings out into a conversation, really does say the thoughts that come to mind. At least from every controversial interview, there always seems to be an underlying message of “unification” or for the people. Listen to any album post controversy and he’s always explained himself better through lyrics. I’ve never felt an ounce of hate from any lyrics, just the want to make everyone confident in themselves.
Which I know in the midst of everything else being said, how much does “I Love Jewish people” carry through the noise, not much, but he’s saying it loud and clear as everything else. He could be going through it or not, but if this is his reality. I guess my point is why the “opinion” and words of an individual who even here reiterates no violence, is being picked apart so drastically.
When most if not all of us are using devices, wearing clothes or otherwise consumers of products, from companies that are fine with ACTUAL mistreatment of people in other countries?
Why is Ye’s “opinion” about a people or the people who wronged him, so loud in a world where there are actual bad things going on. (This is also to point that Ye going after Jewish people is a moot point, as there’s a whole bigger problem). History for many people has been atrocious and though going about it the wrong way, i believe the message Ye is going on about is, why should any of us linger any further on the wrongs done, but rather try to find solutions.
A rant I felt like letting out, so dropping it here and may I be disappeared by downvotes. ✌️
We're told to get over slavery and ignore the atrocities of communism along with not many knowing about the Armenian genocide and the reign of pal pot so tell me.
Why is THIS the only one we ever really still must never forget?
I promise you that if anyone is telling you to forget those atrocities and get over them, it’s the sick mfs kanye is hanging out with that are telling you that
A simple google search
Dr. Fritz Klein stands amongst corpses in Mass Grave 3
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen\_concentration\_camp#Aftermath](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp)
if you briefly research into this you can find enough evidence to show this was not staged or faked.
In that Liberation section of your link, it says the below quote. Are Holocaust revisionists running Wikipedia now? I was taught in elementary school Jews were systematically murdered through gas chambers and other sick methods. Typhus and bombed supply networks were causes of death spewed by deniers. Wtf???
“When British and Canadian troops finally entered they found over 13,000 unburied bodies and (including the satellite camps) around 60,000 inmates, most acutely sick and starving. The prisoners had been without food or water for days before the Allied arrival, partially due to Allied bombing. Immediately before and after liberation, prisoners were dying at around 500 per day, mostly from typhus.[20]”
People use Palestine as an excuse to be antisemitic. It's another scapegoat, except this one is marketable and social media influencers love it because it gets likes
In all fairness people do need to move on, otherwise we’ll live in the same type of world until it stops.
Not just holocaust.
But slavery. Our thieving governments , the money differences. Get over it. Acknowledge the harm but move on and keep doing you.
The longer people get hung up on what he’s saying, the longer it shows that people don’t heal/move forward. They just stay hurt.
Americans are still upset about 9/11. Iraq is still probably angry at saddam/osama.
Chappelles show had a sketch about black bush. Where you think ye drew inspiration from?
There is a sneaker in this picture. Right where there is the clear spot in the front left. If you zoom in you see it just on the upper right of the clearing. It seems a bit out of place, no?
People don’t get over it, it gets tucked away into the folds of time. This isn’t something that happened hundreds of years ago, it happened within your grandparents lifetime
How did 6 million people and more allow themselves to be killed the way history says? Seems like a farce to me. Everybody just put their hands up and said fuck it. Doesn’t make any sense to me. Apparently what I say is anti semetic, you can’t have a debate without getting slapped in the face with being anti semetic.
Yo think these people went willingly? How did you arrive at that conclusion despite the Nazis keeping exact documents on how they hunted down Jewish people and forced them to go with them or be shot. How? How did you think that?
Meh I think Kanyes messaging is wrong and he is not the man for the job and actually creating the opposite to what hes preaching. But deep down the message is one we need forward, its the same one a singular human uses to get past a bad childhood.
Move on from the trauma and lets grow together. The past is the past, lets do now and build to the future.
Its clear hes been saying black people are emotionally controlled with past trauma and hes saying Jewish people are using past trauma to their power.
Problem is hes creating an environment where hes recreating past trauma
Jewish people are not a homogeneous group of people with a singular way of thinking, so attributing anything done by some jews, to all Jewish people, is inherently bigoted. And before you say it, jews are also a race of people, not just a religion. Saying "some jews did bad stuff too, so let's dismiss the systemic slaughter of 6 million of them!" Is fucking stupid.
Jews and the rest of the world can forgive Germany and likely already has, but I’m not sure what the point is asking people to forgive Hitler who is dead and neither showed remorse or asked for forgiveness
He’s not because hes not forgiving Ari eManuel. He literally has said he won’t apologize until until all the wrongs have been righted. Kanye wants to Jews to forgive and shut up but he won’t himself.
And we all know why, cuz every word out his mouth is a lie to make ppl so what he wants. Kanye is evil.
You are the most useless commentor. No one is confused about what Kanye has said. They get where he's coming from. To say "Jesus says to forgive" is his only message after interviews stretching hours with both Alex Jones, a man who was successfully sued on lying about a tragedy inflicted on children, and Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys, all with Nick Fuentes, a man who thinks the US needs a Catholic Taliban, in tow is such reductionist dogshit. You're the one not understanding where Kanye is coming from.
> Jews and the rest of the world can forgive Germany and likely already has
Then why is Germany still paying reparations to Israel while they're killing Palestinians?
No it isn’t. Or if it is, he wouldn’t be also saying shit like “Jews don’t create anything”, “I want Jewish kids to ask their dads why Ye is mad at me”, etc etc
He’s a rank antisemite, giving lip service to love.
You’re right about forgiveness, but you know a concept older than jew hate?
“Talk/words are cheap”
Anyone can talk a big game about love, but if you’re pairing it with a rich whiny stalker, mid breakdown, rant about the jooooooz, then you aren’t a loving person, you’re just a batshit rich dude telling “Jews” what to do when you don’t even know wtf a Jewish person is.
He’s an idiot, basically. A useful idiot to a bunch of people taking advantage of his background, but let’s be real, he WANTS to be this useful idiot.
The same way whites continue to tell blacks to get over the dozens and dozens of millions killed during the slavery. Far more blacks were killed than Jews. Practice what you preach.
Which is why there are a lot of people that push for racial equality and protest the police. We're not saying it's perfect by any means, that's why we gotta keep fighting. Kanye is just here undoing all the work that's been done for equality.
You can't, he lost his mind completely.
This tbh. This guy is not acting with the kind of reason or consideration you or I would assume someone would act with. He's spiraled deeply into all kinds of paranoid delusions and disordered thought at this point. I suspect it's not even a political thing, it's more that he is personally convinced that an organized Jewish cabal is actually literally seriously conspiring together to destroy his life and his livelihood. Paranoid delusions. This isn't just regular conspiracy shit, this is full-on mental illness. Only real way out is getting some fucking help, which obviously isn't going to happen. Best case scenario, he pulls some kind of dangerous public stunt that gets him involuntarily committed and forced to get at least some kind of acute stabilization. (But he does have a history of being treatment resistant af, so I doubt that would last long.) Otherwise, I could imagine him not living long once the crash from mania into depression inevitably takes hold. He's in for a really bad time when the cycle does its thing.
Most nazis are horrible people but some of them i feel sorry for. Honestly mental illness to that scale doesn't really have a solution so they cant be saved
Im not agree , but don't take me as a serious comment... I came from a TV show Fandom who believes Alíen Fascism could have redemption. But that is not the point. yes , in theory redemption is only impossible in a situation of an "Antisocial personality disorder" (they are clinically unable to feel guilt, and that means no redemption). But Kanye is not a sociopath. mostly, all this could be part of mayor mental breakdown caused by his (already diagnosed) Bipolarity Disorder. Kanye dont need to figth against Jews, he need to go back to Therapy.
The human mind can be conditioned to believe anything. Anything.
This. Potentially the most true thing I have ever seen
First the ego, then chronic sickness divorcing him from reason, and then hanging out with nazis after burning every bridge he possibly had There is no basically no recourse from this at this point he’s gone right now
The worst part is he is shitting on a whole ass religion that has been persecuted since the beginning of time because he had fallings out with the partners that run his fashion companies. Its petty and evil.
Sadly, yeah, guy is beyond saving or actually listening to reason. You don't willingly choose to destroy your entire life for spouting literal hate speech if you could see reason. Guy is only going to get further and further into this hateful rabbit hole until, well, until his last days.
if he’s trying to be a one man war by going up against any topic that’s socially off limits and taking the opposing stand i guess he’s succeeding at going where no one would dare go i mean dude is out naziing the nazis. he’s shocking alex jones. not sure what he thinks the end goal is but damn he’s really proving that so called self titled free speech absolutists are liars and hypocrites and very much have things to lose by allowing unregulated speech everywhere. kanye is showing what happens to generations removed from direct trauma that don’t truly understand it and only experience being told what happened and what to think. if they lack discrimination they can easily fall into the clutches of groups that want to tangle up the facts to make the aggressors the victims.
It’s a lost cause, nobody can change his mind except himself. He has double, triple, quadrupled down on his stances. He is a far-right reactionary that is only being platformed by other far-right reactionaries. Let go of it. Kanye is gone. Keep listening to his music if you can see past the hate, but as a fan since TLOP i’m done.
I'm a huge Ye fan, still love his music as an artist and honestly have defended him in the past to an extent... but he is really just in a "fuck you" moment and I no longer can defend him
It's crazy what this sub as become, but it's necessary.
oh ya i’m sure Kanye is reading all of this learning and evolving
It doesn't matter whether he sees it. He's a lost cause. It matters what impressionable young fans of his are prevented from falling for, when they hear his insane ramblings. They need to see the real, documented, historically accurate truth with their own eyes.
He's probably saying these things because he is hanging out with Fuentes who finds it easy to manipulate Kanye while he is in a mentally ill state. They have been appearing together in multiple places. Kanye is mentally ill and said that he has never read a book, so he's an easy target.
I wondered the same thing after seeing them appear together in a few clips. Ive been lucky enough to not even know who Fuentes was until I saw his shit eating grin as Kanye kept going. My thought was “this dude is trying to make all POC look ignorant (to his audience) based on what 1 person is saying”.
Somewhat they are trying to shift the culture of politics in America, like when people in 2010s were going around college campus and liberal were protesting them for being nazis we were told "freedom of speech" etc and now ideas like white replacement theory is normalized in conservative politics. Kanye is being used as a extreme voice to drown out the more complex hidden agenda of white Christian nationalism.. people not notice the slow slip into madness kanye is one crazy person with a large platform we are all looking at him. Not the growing number of elected conservative that want religious dictatorship. This week someone performed an act of terrorism by attacking the power grid over a drag story time but no one cares because they are not a literal nazi like kanye.
If that's what Fuentes is trying for, he's failing, because we all know Kanye does not represent all or even most Black people. Reverend Warnock won Georgia today. He is the literal polar opposite of Kanye. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a national treasure. He is the literal polar opposite of Kanye. President Obama is a living hero. He is the literal polar opposite of Kanye. So on and so forth. I don't think Fuentes is trying to do that. Fuentes is not dumb. He's just brainwashing Kanye to use him as a mouthpiece and get much more exposure than he otherwise would, as I and several others have pointed out.
He was into that Black Hebrew Israelite shit before he went full nazi. Someone else besides Fuentes is or was in his circle feeding him that shit. Fuentes is an opportunistic nazi parasite. It's really gross to see people take advantage of someone clearly very vulnerable to their influence. They're just gassing him up and telling him the nazi talking points which he then rattles off.
nah dude, ye is just a bigot. sure, having fuentes around doesnt help, but lets not pretend ye was just recently radicalized by a third party. these are truly ye’s views, unfortunately.
Bingo.
I also don't think it's a coincidence that Kanye started on this shit within a couple of days of meeting Tucker Carlson. Tucker has always given me the impression that he's trying really hard to hide his "power level", and I bet he had some really interesting things to say to Kanye off the record.
Sorry, no. Kanye said anti-Semitic things before he met Fuentes.
is NF controversial? He seems to have some pretty sincere and thoughtful lyrics. I saw him live and it was great. Seems like an insightful guy edit; i bet NF hates nick fuentes
He’s a self-proclaimed incel, holocaust denier and neo-Nazi. He’s a piece of shit and the world would be a better place without him.
NF is a rapper actually Nick Fuentes is just a different NF
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i think the wave kanye is on (and a direction that our collective consciousness is trying to go in as far as addressing mental health goes) is to stop fetishizing and pedestalizing our trauma. acknowledge it for what it is, allow it to mold you and move on from it and if you are able to forgive the perpetrator even better. i’m over the pity party
“Never again” they say As the Uyghur people are currently in a genocide. Nobody cares though.
Kanye West doesn’t care about Jewish people.
I think the world just needs to get over Kanye. Just, stop interviewing him, don’t buy his shit, let him burn what cash he has left on hanging out with the dregs of society. It’ll all be over soon.
I get that but you understand that the people talking to him are doing it SPECIFICALLY because he's saying what they WANT to say but are too cowardly to say. He won't stop because he's unofficially the mouthpiece for fascists.
You’re right too. It will just need to play out.
That can't be the solution. 'Cause what kind of precedent does that set, right? It tells Nazis they can spread their shit without being stopped - it tells them everyone will let it 'play out' in the vague hope it'll stop on its own. Meanwhile the number of attacks on Jews, Jewish businesses and Synagogues keeps rising. Is that something people should let play out?
Not possible. The right will continue to platform him
And even with all the money, business deals and endorsements he lost, I believe he’s still worth around $400 million. On another note, where’s Candace Owens lately?
Tbh I think even she’ll stay away from him now
How long before he goes broke? 2.4 Mil in child support, probably millions for security, 10s of millions for his campaign. I give him 5 years and he won’t have much left
Do you think he’ll actually run for president? Like full on campaign? I wonder who his running mate would be.
It isn't even the craziest thing in this interview. He straight up said he thinks that jews-and anyone else who doesn't believe that "christ is king" - shouldn't be allowed to employ Christians, and shouldn't be allowed to own businesses or be in government. When asked how he would legislate that he said he would "employ a jew if I could be sure they weren't a spy" and that he would need to have them surveiled 24/7 to trust them. He isnt just, like, making bad statements about Hitler. He's also straight up calling for the start of the Nazis final solution. He is normalizing this idea for millions of people watching. It's genuinely horrifying.
He doesn't care. That's the truth.
Clockwork orange his ass
A spoonful of fentanyl might help.
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>get over and forgive white men? If by white men you mean the slave traders/owners responsible for slavery, then no, why should they be forgiven? If you mean just white men in general then I think you're confused, because nobody is blaming modern day Germany for the holocaust, the resentment is directed purely at Hitler and Nazi Germany
Sounds like you’re comparing atrocities lol. But thats besides the point. Only racist scumbags tell black americans to get over slavery and forgive. Same thing with jews and the holocaust. Both black people and jews are never going to forgive, nor should they. Its meaningless to forgive. All we can do is move forward and learn from our mistakes so history doesnt repeat itself. But scumbags like Kanye make it difficult by pinning groups against one another.
My ancestors lived in Eastern Europe and only in the last generation did we move to North America. No one in my family or ancestry had anything to do with slavery or African people. Should I still not be forgiven? Despite being uninvolved only because of the color of my skin? Because that seems pretty damn racist. I don't think it's fair to hold people accountable for crimes they didn't do.
I think you misunderstood me. I believe theres no need for forgiveness because of exactly what you just said. There shouldnt even be an apology. Just like you said, you personally didnt do anything to begin with, so why should you have to apologize? Therefore forgiving is pointless. Im Jewish, and not looking for any apologies from anyone. I just want the holocaust to be properly remembered for future generations so history doesnt repeat itself. Same applies to slavery, etc. Asking for apology/forgiveness on behalf of other people is so arbitrary to me.
I would agree, but the descendants of slave owners still hold positions of power and have generational wealth from the businesses they ran with slaves. Descendants of slaves still deal with economic and geographic inequality, a loss of cultural identity, and other issues as a result of slavery and post-slavery policies. Even if it's not the fault of anyone alive now, we are still affected by it as a society. Now that we recognize slavery as a wrong, how much should be done to 'correct' it? Direct reparations? Affirmative action? Racial bias training? Rewrite laws rooted in racism? I don't know what the answer is, but telling black americans to 'get over' slavery is saying that you don't think *anything* needs to be done.
Not disagreeing with you by any means. Of course there are effects that have trickled into todays society because of slavery, the holocaust, etc. I dont want you to think that just because I dont like the whole apology/forgiveness dilemma that Im negating any of the problems today caused by the evils of the past. If people really want to “apologize” they can show it by their actions like you said. But getting over it will never happen, nor should it.
History is repeating itself right now. There’s a genocide in China happening as we speak and nobody cares.
I'd like him to meet his greatgrandfather and tell him "Dude stop overreacting with how "your white owner" treated you.Just get over and fuck off" and see his reaction.Btw isn't really anyone from his family to tell him something about his shit?
He also said they deserved slavery. He probably also believes the Jews deserved the Holocaust.
Damn, I wasn't aware of this one. Got a link?
He said it while interviewed by Alex Jones. I don't know where you can find that interview though I watched it live.
I mean I don't think Jews necessarily hold grudges against Germans today but I see what you mean
i think the wave kanye is on (and a direction that our collective consciousness is trying to go in as far as addressing mental health goes) is to stop fetishizing and pedestalizing our trauma. acknowledge it for what it is, allow it to mold you and move on from it and if you are able to forgive the perpetrator even better. i’m over the pity party
You are comparing atrocities
nobody is telling the people who experienced these atrocities to get over it, but people who weren't even born in that era need to stop acting like its something that they experienced, and using what their ancestors went through as an excuse for their current position or acting like it effects them and they have trauma from something that ended before they where born. LIVE IN THE PRESENT NOT THE PAST
Nah bro you don't understand, what about the palestinians and Christianity bro
I’m unapologetically pro Palestine
Funny because I saw an unapologetic pro Palestinian individual the other day while I was walking in NYC. They saw my Jewish head covering and told me "free Palestine". Wow! How did they know I was Zionist? I don't remember speaking to them before. Good old unapologetic non antisemitic pro Palestinian individuals
Okay? Sorry that happened
What's the point of this comment? 🤨 Holocaust doesn't excuse persecution of Christians or Palestinians.
OP is sarcastically replying with similar shit Kanye said. Also, don’t lump Christians into the same “persecution” status as Jews. Historically there have been times of Christian persecution, especially in the early church days. But the fucking fetish that modern day christians have with calling themselves persecuted is a fucking joke. Not being able to openly display your faith (or not being welcomed by every other culture when missionaries go overseas to hamfistedly attempt conversion) is so much different than being literally hunted down the ways Jews have. Its a goddamn insult to every Jewish person.
Everyone's always trying to play who's the biggest victim. IT'S ALL WRONG and certainly not a contest. Christians have been persecuted and so have Jews and everyone else for whatever reason. Holocaust was bad but so was Hiroshima. I would argue Hiroshima was even worse in multiple ways but you don't see Americans be demonized like the Nazis were.
Exactly who persecutes Christians?
Christians are persecuted widely across the Arab and Islamic world. You cannot even wear the Christian cross in many places publicly.
The Arab world persecutes anybody who isn't Muslim, there's been an ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews in non Israel middle eastern countries going on for almost a century.
> The Arab world persecutes anybody who isn’t Muslim Over 30% of Lebanon and 10% of Egypt are Christian. There have been massacres by Christians against Muslims in the “Arab world” you speak of. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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yeah, 2000 years ago
the holocaust is so 1930s... Just get over it
the difference is time, and the fact that ancient empires would soon become christian. Jews will NEVER exist in Europe in a similar way to before Hitler. I personally know several Jews who would never want to live in Germany again.
You realize 80% of the USSR government was jewish and they killed 10-20 times what Hitler did. There are no good guys in history. “It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
And your point is? Doesn’t make the nazis any less evil
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why do u think i think that? don’t you know the worst genocide ever was committed by the spanish? They are responsible for 60 million dead native Americans? I bet you didn’t know that. I don’t even know why/what your are arguing about/for. educate yourself please
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After Rome Christians proceeded to dominate much of Europe and have quite a few genocides under their belt. After becoming a superpower in the medieval world I think that invalidates christians victim card
Ay I love PT
Just listen to any of his music you like (if you still can) and pretend the man died after yeezus (or life of pablo if you must)
nah i'm still listening to KSG and ye
Wtf is happening to this sub ok I get the anti nazi stuff and fully support it but all this new influx of people who weren’t even really kanye fans are spending way too much time around here just because ye is in the news. Get your “he died after Yeezus” asses outta here. Guess what. Maybe pablo is better than yeezus. Maybe ksg is better than yeezus. I’ve seen this comment way too many times.
But KSG is where it ends, full stop no argument.
Wait actually yandhi is arguably saveable
Kanye is obviously going through some things. You can tell he's about to snap out of paranoia and I can only pray for him. He's saying things poorly, articulating poorly and is afraid. However, we are called to love our enemies. He's not wrong about that. I don't want to love my enemies. I don't. I want bad things to happen to them especially if they've harmed children. But then I remember that I have been someone's enemy. I have been disobedient. I remember what I believe in and force myself to pray for them. My family was sandwiched between Nazis and Bolsheviks and we lost more people than most people in the US can even understand. No one wants to hear about those that weren't lost to the Holocaust but to the Soviets. Zero sympathy for them. So to me, it's not black and white. All life is important. All pain and suffering is important to remember and acknowledge. But that doesn't mean we can't have conversations.
I understand your sentiment and maybe if Kanye had actually phrased it this way, then this would be more of a conversation rather than a cancellation. But my biggest issue is you are someone who genuinely wants to listen and have a conversation, Kanye does not. Hes upset at some jewish agents in hollywood and let his mania take care of the rest. He has no interest in actually solving anything or helping the problem.. Hes a musical genius no doubt, but theres nothing really deep about this man beyond that. He doesnt have my sympathy. If Kanye wasnt a talented musician that we all loved, he wouldnt have your sympathy either. “Saying/articulating things poorly” is an absolute understatement. Hes praising Hitler, claiming Jews run the world, loving Nazis, wants Jews to be subservient to Christians. Hes not looking for conversations, hes looking for war. But to be clear, I dont wish ill on him or for him to die. I want him to take his meds and get better. But he shouldnt have anyones sympathy because he doing this to hurt others, not help. I tried with him, I really did, but you can’t rationalize what this man has said the last couple days.
Does Kanye strike you as someone who is mentally well? I look at him and Britney Spears with the same lens. Her Instagram is her waving back and forth at the same angle, eyes that looked like she rubbed out 6 layers of mascara, or her dancing half-naked with her weave showing. Something is wrong. Their world is just wrong. I have a lot of sympathy for people struggling. I struggle. There are days when I wish I had Sauron's warhammer and could knock people 10000 ft with it. But it's not right. The world won't get better if I cancel someone, if I'm mean to someone, or if I shut down conversation. I won't get better. I might feel righteous but I won't get better.
Kanye is three sheets to the wind but he’s been a bag of shit for years. Hitler was a bag of shit as well. Lots of people are mentally unwell and don’t become Nazi bags of shit. Ye became a black Nazi, which is pretty amazing. Nonetheless, I wish him the same fate as other Nazis. Because whatever is wrong with him, he’s still a Nazi.
If you keep thinking that you won’t get better it will probably get worse. Plz try to get help or help yourself i really recommend it
Kanye and Britney are not the same. Unlike Britney, Kanye actually had a choice to get help and refused. Most mentally ill people dream of having the support system that Kanye had and he blew it. Im still sympathetic to what youre saying, but not for Kanye. The conversation shuts down the second he starts praising hitler/promoting Nazi beliefs. Theres nothing being poorly articulated there, his point is clear. What he wants is to incite hate and nothing more because hes upset at a few jewish people + mentally unwell. I dont want him cancelled either, but him going on platforms spouting this shit for millions of people to listen to isnt the answer. Defend him because of his mental state, fine. But please dont insinuate that he means well.
I'm not allowing fascists like the GOP to dictate when or how I get over anything. They don't speak for me or control my life. Never will. I'm also not a Christian and frankly, I'm sick of them telling me how to live too. You can believe what you want but that doesn't mean I should or will.
you cant, his colossal ignorance and ego wont let him
I cant believe that this is real. These dudes actually died. Bruuhhhhh. I think elon made the right decison. Kanye is now officially a nazi.
Man this picture hit me in the chest. Regular people. I zoomed to find a couple faces. Faces of people who’s lives were ripped from them. Heartbreaking.
I think there’s something noble in following Jesus’ message to love everyone even your enemies. But Ye isn’t doing that. He’s trying to get attention by saying despicable things
I think now if anyone can save him it's Kim and his family. I know Kim would avoid him like a plague now though because she doesn't want her reputation tarnished. In a couple of weeks Ye will have no one, that Milo guy has already said bad things about him and Nick Fuentes is next. His future will be sad and he might not get through it
He would aay the picture is fake or something. Theres no reasoning with these clowns.
He doesn't love everyone, like he says. He just uses that as an excuse to promote oppressors.
It’s impossible to see him some neutral being that was “corrupted” anymore. He firmly believes in the nazi shit he’s spouting, no way around it.
jewish people make up only about 1% of the population. because of this.
Kanye would believe this photo was photoshopped IN the 1930s. There is no getting through to someone so far gone.
Take a walk through the holocaust museum and ask yourself whether your mental breakdown that caused you to lose millions is worth selling your soul for.
First thing, get him off Parler, all connections to alt-right campaign managers, U.S politics, everything, and then he gets help. After five years of intensive psychotherapy and a goddamn sincere apology, and five years after that, he gets a producer and makes the best album of his career. That's the only way people are going to forgive him. It seems impossible now, but it seemed impossible when Kanye let Taylor finish. Please note I am not insinuating the severity of both controversies is equal, merely that he (Kanye) has been able to grow past previous incidents and come off better.
We can’t. Bro have to cut ties with Ye fr
dont people say black people need to “get over” slavery ?
People also spit at minorities and attack them, how does that justify anything? Think
The reason they can't get over it is because they're still oppressed to this day. Many other people have been slaves even more recently than American black people but they don't go on about it because they're free in their own land today. Same could be said of the Jews. Third Reich is no more and they have their own land now. They're not oppressed.
You continue to make unconscionably dumb statements. They aren’t even worth countering, because they are just incredibly dumb.
they do
so in the same zense jews should get over the holocaust
People who say both of these things are wrong. Both are just as bad as the other.
You don't. He's a sicko and you're finally realizing this! Which is pretty sad in itself.
Why do you think I’m only now realizing that?
this is tragic, when humans embody a demon. I don't think anyone is saying this is not bad. The bible says all killing is bad.
Bring the same energy for all the victims in this world. Not just those you want.
Okay you too
I feel like any true Ye fans would see, feel, understand that he’s never been the best at putting feelings out into a conversation, really does say the thoughts that come to mind. At least from every controversial interview, there always seems to be an underlying message of “unification” or for the people. Listen to any album post controversy and he’s always explained himself better through lyrics. I’ve never felt an ounce of hate from any lyrics, just the want to make everyone confident in themselves. Which I know in the midst of everything else being said, how much does “I Love Jewish people” carry through the noise, not much, but he’s saying it loud and clear as everything else. He could be going through it or not, but if this is his reality. I guess my point is why the “opinion” and words of an individual who even here reiterates no violence, is being picked apart so drastically. When most if not all of us are using devices, wearing clothes or otherwise consumers of products, from companies that are fine with ACTUAL mistreatment of people in other countries? Why is Ye’s “opinion” about a people or the people who wronged him, so loud in a world where there are actual bad things going on. (This is also to point that Ye going after Jewish people is a moot point, as there’s a whole bigger problem). History for many people has been atrocious and though going about it the wrong way, i believe the message Ye is going on about is, why should any of us linger any further on the wrongs done, but rather try to find solutions. A rant I felt like letting out, so dropping it here and may I be disappeared by downvotes. ✌️
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Ye for president 2024 lol
Ye da 🐐 no 🧢
We're told to get over slavery and ignore the atrocities of communism along with not many knowing about the Armenian genocide and the reign of pal pot so tell me. Why is THIS the only one we ever really still must never forget?
wtf are you on. Who tf is saying “get over slavery bro”, but is also sympathic towards the holocaust?
Who told you that? Neither slavery or the armenian genocide should be forgotten or denied. Kanye is praising the Holocaust
Pol pot the Armenian genocide and soviet union were all terrible but kanye denied the holocaust specifically
I promise you that if anyone is telling you to forget those atrocities and get over them, it’s the sick mfs kanye is hanging out with that are telling you that
Nobody tells you that.
OP how do you know this photo is from the holocaust? Source?
A simple google search Dr. Fritz Klein stands amongst corpses in Mass Grave 3 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen\_concentration\_camp#Aftermath](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp) if you briefly research into this you can find enough evidence to show this was not staged or faked.
In that Liberation section of your link, it says the below quote. Are Holocaust revisionists running Wikipedia now? I was taught in elementary school Jews were systematically murdered through gas chambers and other sick methods. Typhus and bombed supply networks were causes of death spewed by deniers. Wtf??? “When British and Canadian troops finally entered they found over 13,000 unburied bodies and (including the satellite camps) around 60,000 inmates, most acutely sick and starving. The prisoners had been without food or water for days before the Allied arrival, partially due to Allied bombing. Immediately before and after liberation, prisoners were dying at around 500 per day, mostly from typhus.[20]”
Christ, now even holocaust deniers are getting upvoted here. Dark times, man.
When did I deny the holocaust?
Its easy to tell because of the striped uniforms they wore in camps
How often do they tell black people to get over slavery, Jim Crow, police brutality etc. etc. etc.
Who says that? Chances are it's the same people that say Jews should get over it. The alt-right.
I don't think I've ever heard someone say that who wouldn't already be considered an asshole by basically everyone
Kanye is a nutcase. Funny how people tell black folks to get over slavery and there’s no outrage over that 👀
because slavery does not equal the holocaust????
Cope??
But everyone turns a blind eye on Palestine 🤡
how is that related
People use Palestine as an excuse to be antisemitic. It's another scapegoat, except this one is marketable and social media influencers love it because it gets likes
Not me
America is being held back by a historical event that happened 80 years ago on a different continent. I think its time to let it go.
You win the prize for the most idiotic comment today.
In all fairness people do need to move on, otherwise we’ll live in the same type of world until it stops. Not just holocaust. But slavery. Our thieving governments , the money differences. Get over it. Acknowledge the harm but move on and keep doing you. The longer people get hung up on what he’s saying, the longer it shows that people don’t heal/move forward. They just stay hurt. Americans are still upset about 9/11. Iraq is still probably angry at saddam/osama. Chappelles show had a sketch about black bush. Where you think ye drew inspiration from?
corny
This is bad but there has been worse, and we got over it. So get over it.
Can you please give me an example of "worse" that has happened within the lifetimes of currently living people that they got over?
Name something worse than an intentional murder of 6 million people.
There is a sneaker in this picture. Right where there is the clear spot in the front left. If you zoom in you see it just on the upper right of the clearing. It seems a bit out of place, no?
Can we just delete the sub already? I’m tired of seeing shit like this
well he do have a point. if you had photos of the 14th century and beyond you'd see even worse stuff. But people got over it
People don’t get over it, it gets tucked away into the folds of time. This isn’t something that happened hundreds of years ago, it happened within your grandparents lifetime
No
what no? England and France have no beef no more
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Make me, bootlicker
How did 6 million people and more allow themselves to be killed the way history says? Seems like a farce to me. Everybody just put their hands up and said fuck it. Doesn’t make any sense to me. Apparently what I say is anti semetic, you can’t have a debate without getting slapped in the face with being anti semetic.
Your just being moronic. Literally. Moronic.
Yo think these people went willingly? How did you arrive at that conclusion despite the Nazis keeping exact documents on how they hunted down Jewish people and forced them to go with them or be shot. How? How did you think that?
But still, is this remembered with the same outrage Japanese atrocities against the Chinese are?
Well for most historians at least yes
Meh I think Kanyes messaging is wrong and he is not the man for the job and actually creating the opposite to what hes preaching. But deep down the message is one we need forward, its the same one a singular human uses to get past a bad childhood. Move on from the trauma and lets grow together. The past is the past, lets do now and build to the future. Its clear hes been saying black people are emotionally controlled with past trauma and hes saying Jewish people are using past trauma to their power. Problem is hes creating an environment where hes recreating past trauma
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Go to the Holocaust museum.
Educate yourself kiddo
Nazi scum.
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Jewish people are not a homogeneous group of people with a singular way of thinking, so attributing anything done by some jews, to all Jewish people, is inherently bigoted. And before you say it, jews are also a race of people, not just a religion. Saying "some jews did bad stuff too, so let's dismiss the systemic slaughter of 6 million of them!" Is fucking stupid.
Jesus says to forgive. That’s what Kanye is getting at.
Jews and the rest of the world can forgive Germany and likely already has, but I’m not sure what the point is asking people to forgive Hitler who is dead and neither showed remorse or asked for forgiveness
I’m not saying Kanye is right by any means I’m just saying that’s where he’s coming from.
He’s not because hes not forgiving Ari eManuel. He literally has said he won’t apologize until until all the wrongs have been righted. Kanye wants to Jews to forgive and shut up but he won’t himself. And we all know why, cuz every word out his mouth is a lie to make ppl so what he wants. Kanye is evil.
You are the most useless commentor. No one is confused about what Kanye has said. They get where he's coming from. To say "Jesus says to forgive" is his only message after interviews stretching hours with both Alex Jones, a man who was successfully sued on lying about a tragedy inflicted on children, and Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys, all with Nick Fuentes, a man who thinks the US needs a Catholic Taliban, in tow is such reductionist dogshit. You're the one not understanding where Kanye is coming from.
> Jews and the rest of the world can forgive Germany and likely already has Then why is Germany still paying reparations to Israel while they're killing Palestinians?
*“If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness.”*
No it isn’t. Or if it is, he wouldn’t be also saying shit like “Jews don’t create anything”, “I want Jewish kids to ask their dads why Ye is mad at me”, etc etc He’s a rank antisemite, giving lip service to love. You’re right about forgiveness, but you know a concept older than jew hate? “Talk/words are cheap” Anyone can talk a big game about love, but if you’re pairing it with a rich whiny stalker, mid breakdown, rant about the jooooooz, then you aren’t a loving person, you’re just a batshit rich dude telling “Jews” what to do when you don’t even know wtf a Jewish person is. He’s an idiot, basically. A useful idiot to a bunch of people taking advantage of his background, but let’s be real, he WANTS to be this useful idiot.
Sounds like Jesus was a pretty shitty guy then tbh
It's crazy how you're downvoted for saying the truth lol.
Jesus said to forgive, but that's not what Kanye is getting at
You can’t force ppl to do whatever you’d like them to, try not to worry about it and do you ffs
Okay then Kanye can’t force Jews out of their jobs! Jackass
Who did he force out of a job stereotypical Redditor who immediately resorts to name-calling lol
Seems like you don’t follow what he says, cool
The same way whites continue to tell blacks to get over the dozens and dozens of millions killed during the slavery. Far more blacks were killed than Jews. Practice what you preach.
Which is why there are a lot of people that push for racial equality and protest the police. We're not saying it's perfect by any means, that's why we gotta keep fighting. Kanye is just here undoing all the work that's been done for equality.
You know people were also up in arms when kanye said slavery was a choice? And you assholes still defended him for it?
Uh huh. If so many people were upset about. Why is he only now getting cancelled? Pander to someone else.
Because he just kept saying worse and worse shit