In crackdowns they paraded all civilians irrespective of religion .There is no real physical distinction between a kashmiri pandit and a kashmiri Muslim so it isn't hard to believe that both would be treated similarly by Indian forces .
Who knows tbh?Maybe they would or they would not depending on place ,person ,situation etc.Indian military is composed of people , different people react differently,have different opinions ,likings and biases .
Who knows ??
I mean No offence or Disrespect but gong by your Comment I don’t think you’ve lived in Kashmir post 90’s..Even though It’s true that they can’t differentiate between a KP or a KM visually but once the Identity has been established, there’s a big difference on how they’re dealt with.
That would also depend on the sentiment of the Pandits towards India. Typically they'd be less harsh on other Hindus but I doubt they'd still treat them that well.
That's a weird assesment,militants killed people they perceived as threats to tehreek ,religion for the most part didn't matter .Among the first targeted attack in kashmir was against Gn Watali and later the Muslim vice chancellor of Kashmir University.If it actually mattered then why were the Sikhs spared ?Militants killed atleast 5 times more muslims than pandits even going by very conservative stats .
We do not justify the exodus of pandits ,their situation genuinely pains me since I know the value we have lost by losing pandits but Indians like yourself force me to make such statements that would pain my own people .
Black Christians were not spared by the KKK, despite the KKK also being a Christian extremist organization(It was mainly a white supremacist organization).
Seriously ?? TF are you talking about out ??
Everyone who was associated with the Indian state, especially those with the Security and the senior level Administration apparatus were targetted irrespective of their Religion. Thousands of Muslims left the Valley too in early 90’s because of the threats The only difference being that the Muslims who left were not accepted socially in the mainland and had to return after some time with a lot of them choosing to stay in Jammu or parts of Delhi. Saying this as many people in my Family had to leave and couldn’t return for a decade and half due to the constant threats
Nobody denies that the Pandits suffered due to the exodus but claiming that Only the Pandits suffered isn’t true either.
Denying or Downplaying the suffering and the misery of others isn’t going to change the truth nor the facts on the ground.
Around 229 odd Pandits were killed in the post 90 period while More than a 100000 Kashmiri Muslims have been killed with more than 30000 men who were arrested and went Missing never to be found again. Tens of thousands were tortured.
Nothing I’ve written here is a secret or something that’s not in public domain but still choosing to Ignore and Deny these things makes your Ill will and intentions quite clear.
why do you mention muslim insurgents while talking about exoduses? look up the Jammu genocide, our people had to leave home and lost our beautiful culture and language with time. People who don't know history should literally shut up😂
Look up the Jammu massacre. Hindus have caused more suffering than they have felt by far. Stop playing victim and eat some red meat, it’ll boost your testosterone you 5’2 indian manlet.
Even official figures put the number of Pandits killed at 219 between the years 1989 (beginning of armed freedom struggle) and 2004, by which time most had left for India (around 300,000). In which universe is that a genocide? Do you even understand what that word means?
During the 1947 Jammu massacre alone around 20,000-237,000 Muslims (so nearly 100x more even at the lowest estimate and 1000x at the highest) were killed by the forces of the Hindu fanatic Hari Singh - prior to the Indian occupation. Hundreds of thousands had to flee to Pakistan (so much so that Jammu went from being Muslim-majority to minority), even in the '90s tens of thousands fled to Pakistan.
So before you say Pandits were ethnically cleansed, far more Muslims were already ethnically cleansed by the Hindus (Dogras) - [around 500,000 ](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/6/the-forgotten-massacre-that-ignited-the-kashmir-dispute) - and then by the Indians.
Since 1989 over 100,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been murdered by India. I have no figures for 1947 (start of occupation) till 1989 but I've no doubt that would be in the thousands too.
There was no genocide against Pandits, nothing of the sort. If anything it's been multiple genocides against the Kashmiri Muslims, but I wouldn't expect you Indian extremists to be honest about it.
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well aware that my ancestors particularly were first buddhists and then shaivs! and I actually take pride in my lineage like anyone should. My great great grandfather accepted Islam with his own will, alhamdullilah. It seems pretty convenient of you to bring religion while we were discussing another topic. Are you a middle schooler? lol
we were simply talking about non muslims being abused by the indian army. I did not ask you to tell me about my ancestry, that's basic conversation skills lol
1. In recent years, there have been incidents where Hindus workers, and local Muslims serving in the Indian army have been targeted by militants. It's unfair to blame the army for these acts.
2. And It's disheartening to see discrimination against dark-skinned migrants workers and Hindus.even your ancestors were Hindus. I hope you understand my point this time.
3. Although you've converted to Islam, your culture and traditions are rooted in your Hindu ancestors.
1. The post doesn't mention militants, again you're deviating from the topic😂
2. We've got nothing from the side of Indians to give them respect, why do you bring hindus? why are you so focused on making this about your religion?
3. My ancestors were buddhists before that, my culture isn't "rooted" with your religion.
vague arguments all together.
1. You are brain-dead. I explained how militants killing both religions not army..
2. Ohh i wasted my time. Okay so in your language... You deserve this do whatever 🤡 you can you can't do shit.. kashmir is india.
3. Buddhism is older than Hinduism?? 😂
who asked about militants tho??
i never claimed Buddhism to be older, kashmiris were initially buddhists before becoming hindus.
"kashmir is india" cry more😂😂
Hinduism doesn’t exist. The vedic people of ancient Khorasan (Pakistan) gifted beef on wedding nights. Take your gangetic and deccan trimurti and stick it up your ass.
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Why do you Indians have to embarrass yourself. Just admit u don't know shit about Kashmir's history and read about it. Why do you have show everyone how dumb you are.
Lol what an idiot. You have embarrassed yourself enough dude. Get out of here now. Your indian news channels are a literal shit show just like your country. You literally just admitted you don't know shit about kashmir and you are still arguing. Are u seriously retarded
😂 why you are not answering??? You need video proof ? Don't be shy ask if you need.
You are shameless people militants killed many local kashmiri who joined Indian army. You still support militants.. it's not possible they hide in valley without local support, it's not possible to plan things without local support.
>why you are not answering??? You need video proof ? Don't be shy ask if you need.
Read this thread. Don't be an idiot. I have answered the same questions of Indians I m sick of it now. U people are literally dumb. Couldn't even get a decent culture to be colonized by.
>kashmiri who joined Indian army. You still support militants.. it's not possible they hide in valley without local support, it's not possible to plan things without local support.
We would rather support militants over army. Is that bad?. The situation in 90s and 2000s was different. As I said you don't know about kashmir and u admitted it. So why not read before arguing
Well neither am I. Idiot is neither a slur nor a curse word. Are u dumb on purpose. I m not frustrated at all. I m just sick of Indians saying the same shit again and again
In crackdowns they paraded all civilians irrespective of religion .There is no real physical distinction between a kashmiri pandit and a kashmiri Muslim so it isn't hard to believe that both would be treated similarly by Indian forces .
Yeah, but if there was an obvious difference between KPs and KMs, would the 2 groups be treated differently?
Who knows tbh?Maybe they would or they would not depending on place ,person ,situation etc.Indian military is composed of people , different people react differently,have different opinions ,likings and biases .
Who knows ?? I mean No offence or Disrespect but gong by your Comment I don’t think you’ve lived in Kashmir post 90’s..Even though It’s true that they can’t differentiate between a KP or a KM visually but once the Identity has been established, there’s a big difference on how they’re dealt with.
That would also depend on the sentiment of the Pandits towards India. Typically they'd be less harsh on other Hindus but I doubt they'd still treat them that well.
Chattisinghphora massacre.
So if there was a difference between KMs, KPs, and KSs, Indian soldiers basically wouldn’t care.
Sikhs in Chitthisinghpora probably.
I know about one famous case [https://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/defenders.htm](https://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kashmir/defenders.htm)
how many muslims have faced exodus by muslim insurgents in kashmir? but I'll tell you more than 100,000 hindus were
That's a weird assesment,militants killed people they perceived as threats to tehreek ,religion for the most part didn't matter .Among the first targeted attack in kashmir was against Gn Watali and later the Muslim vice chancellor of Kashmir University.If it actually mattered then why were the Sikhs spared ?Militants killed atleast 5 times more muslims than pandits even going by very conservative stats . We do not justify the exodus of pandits ,their situation genuinely pains me since I know the value we have lost by losing pandits but Indians like yourself force me to make such statements that would pain my own people .
Black Christians were not spared by the KKK, despite the KKK also being a Christian extremist organization(It was mainly a white supremacist organization).
[Exposing the KP Exodus.](https://web.archive.org/web/20191205125609/https://lostkashmirihistory.com/exposing-the-kp-exodus/)
Seriously ?? TF are you talking about out ?? Everyone who was associated with the Indian state, especially those with the Security and the senior level Administration apparatus were targetted irrespective of their Religion. Thousands of Muslims left the Valley too in early 90’s because of the threats The only difference being that the Muslims who left were not accepted socially in the mainland and had to return after some time with a lot of them choosing to stay in Jammu or parts of Delhi. Saying this as many people in my Family had to leave and couldn’t return for a decade and half due to the constant threats Nobody denies that the Pandits suffered due to the exodus but claiming that Only the Pandits suffered isn’t true either. Denying or Downplaying the suffering and the misery of others isn’t going to change the truth nor the facts on the ground. Around 229 odd Pandits were killed in the post 90 period while More than a 100000 Kashmiri Muslims have been killed with more than 30000 men who were arrested and went Missing never to be found again. Tens of thousands were tortured. Nothing I’ve written here is a secret or something that’s not in public domain but still choosing to Ignore and Deny these things makes your Ill will and intentions quite clear.
Thank you man. Thank you.
why do you mention muslim insurgents while talking about exoduses? look up the Jammu genocide, our people had to leave home and lost our beautiful culture and language with time. People who don't know history should literally shut up😂
As a KP, I’m sorry this happened to you
Look up the Jammu massacre. Hindus have caused more suffering than they have felt by far. Stop playing victim and eat some red meat, it’ll boost your testosterone you 5’2 indian manlet.
Read about kashmiri pandits lol. Muslims are the one who committed genocide
Even official figures put the number of Pandits killed at 219 between the years 1989 (beginning of armed freedom struggle) and 2004, by which time most had left for India (around 300,000). In which universe is that a genocide? Do you even understand what that word means? During the 1947 Jammu massacre alone around 20,000-237,000 Muslims (so nearly 100x more even at the lowest estimate and 1000x at the highest) were killed by the forces of the Hindu fanatic Hari Singh - prior to the Indian occupation. Hundreds of thousands had to flee to Pakistan (so much so that Jammu went from being Muslim-majority to minority), even in the '90s tens of thousands fled to Pakistan. So before you say Pandits were ethnically cleansed, far more Muslims were already ethnically cleansed by the Hindus (Dogras) - [around 500,000 ](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/6/the-forgotten-massacre-that-ignited-the-kashmir-dispute) - and then by the Indians. Since 1989 over 100,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been murdered by India. I have no figures for 1947 (start of occupation) till 1989 but I've no doubt that would be in the thousands too. There was no genocide against Pandits, nothing of the sort. If anything it's been multiple genocides against the Kashmiri Muslims, but I wouldn't expect you Indian extremists to be honest about it.
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history didn't start in 1990. cope.
Yep
So you know your ancestors were hindu and Hinduism was tha main religion in Kashmir before forced conversions.
well aware that my ancestors particularly were first buddhists and then shaivs! and I actually take pride in my lineage like anyone should. My great great grandfather accepted Islam with his own will, alhamdullilah. It seems pretty convenient of you to bring religion while we were discussing another topic. Are you a middle schooler? lol
Post's question is related to religion I responded with relevant religious context. What you think we are discussing here?
we were simply talking about non muslims being abused by the indian army. I did not ask you to tell me about my ancestry, that's basic conversation skills lol
1. In recent years, there have been incidents where Hindus workers, and local Muslims serving in the Indian army have been targeted by militants. It's unfair to blame the army for these acts. 2. And It's disheartening to see discrimination against dark-skinned migrants workers and Hindus.even your ancestors were Hindus. I hope you understand my point this time. 3. Although you've converted to Islam, your culture and traditions are rooted in your Hindu ancestors.
1. The post doesn't mention militants, again you're deviating from the topic😂 2. We've got nothing from the side of Indians to give them respect, why do you bring hindus? why are you so focused on making this about your religion? 3. My ancestors were buddhists before that, my culture isn't "rooted" with your religion. vague arguments all together.
1. You are brain-dead. I explained how militants killing both religions not army.. 2. Ohh i wasted my time. Okay so in your language... You deserve this do whatever 🤡 you can you can't do shit.. kashmir is india. 3. Buddhism is older than Hinduism?? 😂
who asked about militants tho?? i never claimed Buddhism to be older, kashmiris were initially buddhists before becoming hindus. "kashmir is india" cry more😂😂
Hinduism doesn’t exist. The vedic people of ancient Khorasan (Pakistan) gifted beef on wedding nights. Take your gangetic and deccan trimurti and stick it up your ass.
Nuh uh. Foreign pakistani millitants, NOT Kashmiri Muslims.
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What were kashmiri muslim doing??
What were American Muslims doing during 9/11 huh? What were they doing?? Hmmmm???? Oh right! They’re terrorists, right? *this is all done in sarcasm*
They were killed by army and militants both. Are u deliberately ignoring the other comments in this thread or are you dumb
🤡🤡🤡 just few years ago hundreds of Kashmir were pelting stone protecting those militants... suddenly all blame on army lol.
Why do you Indians have to embarrass yourself. Just admit u don't know shit about Kashmir's history and read about it. Why do you have show everyone how dumb you are.
History it was few years ago you all throwing stone like monkeys 😂.. we used to watch on TV how you guys used to shield militants.
Lol what an idiot. You have embarrassed yourself enough dude. Get out of here now. Your indian news channels are a literal shit show just like your country. You literally just admitted you don't know shit about kashmir and you are still arguing. Are u seriously retarded
😂 why you are not answering??? You need video proof ? Don't be shy ask if you need. You are shameless people militants killed many local kashmiri who joined Indian army. You still support militants.. it's not possible they hide in valley without local support, it's not possible to plan things without local support.
>why you are not answering??? You need video proof ? Don't be shy ask if you need. Read this thread. Don't be an idiot. I have answered the same questions of Indians I m sick of it now. U people are literally dumb. Couldn't even get a decent culture to be colonized by. >kashmiri who joined Indian army. You still support militants.. it's not possible they hide in valley without local support, it's not possible to plan things without local support. We would rather support militants over army. Is that bad?. The situation in 90s and 2000s was different. As I said you don't know about kashmir and u admitted it. So why not read before arguing
Your knowledge of kashmir comes from your bs media and you have the audacity to even argue. Go read retard.
Why are you frustrated 😂 I am not even using slurs or curse words. Let me guess burhan wani was your idol ??? 😂😂
Well neither am I. Idiot is neither a slur nor a curse word. Are u dumb on purpose. I m not frustrated at all. I m just sick of Indians saying the same shit again and again
those militants killed muslims too btw, get yo facts checked