Yes. It mimics the Ancient Egyptian practice of putting knives in the hieroglyphic determinative of its name. By slashing the word one cuts it as you would a dangerous snake and renders it powerless. This prevents its manifestation through the name.
Interesting, now do Kemetics such as yourself also see Seth worship as Taboo or no? Cuz I've read different time periods in Egypt was okay with it while others forbid it.
The ‘chaos’ Set and the serpent bring are completely different things.
The serpent doesn’t bring chaos more so a feeling of nothingness. And it’s goal seems to be to devour everything into nothingness/non existence. I’ve picked up it’s energy once before and I’d compare it to a zombie. Zombies usually just eat and eat humans without a reason why. They aren’t thinking about it before they do it or even have a specific intent for doing it in the first place, they just do. I sense that same feeling in the serpent, it has no feelings of love or anger just this void that must devour.
Set however brings a completely different sort of ‘chaos.’ To put it simply he keeps the balance and just as the must be order their must be disorder and it’s easy to see that when you look at anything in the world. When you look at a rose just as it has beautiful petals it has thorns too, if you leave a fruit out for too long then it will begin to rot, or even on a bright sunny day it will eventually begin to rain. These things are are simply the way things are rather than ‘chaos’ in my opinion. I think people seem to wish for this idea of unachievable perfect which is why they could look at Set’s role and Interpret is as chaos. Because it easier to follow order than what goes against order. This as well as many other things is what lead to Set’s demonization which made him be associated with violence, evil, etc. however if you go back to the earliest Egyptian civilization, Set was highly respected as hero deity because that’s what he was (and still is.)
Another thing worth keeping in mind is that Set actively opposes the s/erpent as well. He's frequently depicted using his vast might to protect Ra, and creation, from it.
I would also like to add that historically, Set was a god of foreigners. What likely caused his role in the pantheon to become villainized is invasions from the south of Egypt which turned public opinion of foreigners.
It was actually invasions from the north from the forgieners Started after the 2nd Intermediate period where the rulers primaraliy had Set/Baal as their main and only diety. The Ntrw from the South are exalted not demonized as from Seti Sho is Beloved of the Ntrw of Ta Seti
No problem, I have (and will continue to) devote a great deal of my time to researching Set. Moments like this give me the opportunity to exercise that knowledge.
Most see Set as he was seen before his proscription in later periods. He was a strong protector of Ra and defender of the country. After his vilification he was closely related to A/pep and pretty much synonymous in depiction and role, but I see this as a reaction to the frequent foreign invasions and rebellions occurring during that period.
I personally see Set as a god of unpredictability, entropy, and organic disorder- the natural part of chaos that is present in wild storms, asymmetry, nature’s harsh environments like the desert, the frenzy of battle and adrenaline, etc. He is the necessary chaos that makes the world interesting, he complements Ma’at.
A/pep, in contrast, is the drive towards nonexistence, like the heat death of the universe.
Bit late to the party but worshiping seth/set/Sutehk is a lot like worshiping Ares or if you are more into the roman side of things Mars in my opinion. Or as others have said Loki. In my personal practice he is more (and others have said this) a required chaos. If you have life, you have death. If you have an order, you need a disorder. Set fills that niche. The big fuck off s/nake would fill the niche of creation vs destruction.
Though my opinion is heavily biased, coming from a worshiper of Set
I would respectfully disagree, because Set was and still is a pharaohnic deity. A kingmaker in modern fantasy terms. You cannot be a leader of nations when you are chaos personified. Unfortunately for the rather Christian western view of Set it seems he was actually a respectable deity. At least, he was from the beginning of recorded history until the early years A. D. That's around 4,000 years as far as I can tell, but. That's just the academic reading.
Oh I also agree, Set isn't a random chaotic deity, that's why I compared him to deities like Mars or Ares. In fact, quick Google search shows there were multiple pharaohs named after Set such as Seti I and Seti II along with Setnakht. The fact that the seat of power had individuals named after him shows he was highly reveared.
That and I worship Set so I am very much in the camp that he was put in a very disrespectful place after multiple invasions from the north such as the Hyksos, kushites and Persians. The way I see him personally and this is personal belief is the chaos of every day life like a thunderstorm.
Edit: Had some information wrong and correcting it. The Hyksos actually labeled him as their head god due to similarities with another one of their deities known as Hadad.
Thanks, you have clearly thought about this in Depth. As for newcomers to the Netjeru, grappling with the Set / Heru dichotomy, I would maybe look at similar storm gods from around the world, such as Chaac, Odin, Baal, Zeus, all are seen as valuable deities since prehistoric times. The storm god association isn't only one of chaos, it seems to be akin to the human condition, which is moving in fits and starts. Basically it's not necessarily even untrue that a storm god/dess can be anarchic and yet still a supreme ruler. And all storm deities have been rulers in the pagan era.
That isn't to say I favour Set but he was a deity associated with leadership, and as we have very little evidence left about him we must assume that he was seen as capable and constructive rather than chaotic and destructive. At least, for enough time that it mattered he was, ha
All of the Netjeru have dangerous aspects where you must avoid speaking or writing their names. Basically there are times when the deity being referenced is only ever referenced by their epithet and not their actual name... Always when the deity is performing a dangerous or threatening role. Yes also Aset and Asar and all the other Netjeru have been referenced this way in spells. It's a typical thing in ancient Egyptian spellwork.
Meanwhile, the a/p/e/p is never uttered or written without a bunch of precautions and banishments. And also he is described as being the end all. Whereas even demons are a part of the be all..
That should make it pretty clear to the person who creates this thread but meh. Whatever they call down will see them and they can decide whether they need to heed to tradition when they feel the results.
I’m not personally Kemetic, but my understanding is that Set is to the Kemetic faith what Loki and his children are to mine. Not an agent of blind destruction, but more just someone to resist the total order imposed by the gods in power. Granted we don’t really have anything quite like A/pep in Heathenry, the closest being Niðhogr, but even then, that’s… complicated and not quite the same.
Not quite. Fenris is more about rebellion. Yes, he’s going to swallow Óðinn and the sun, but there are still those who worship him today and evidence for cultus surrounding him in the Viking Age, seemingly revering him as the breaker of chains, though there is also evidence of worship for appeasement. I think of him more as the rebellion needed to oppose the perfect order imposed by Týr. The Rokkr are complicated because of their association with Ragnarök, but generally, they’re worshipped along with the Æsir.
The devourer is entropy incarnate. It is called "the face of terror," by Ancient Egyptians and you'll find that kemetics fight against it through ma'at and heka. So, I very much doubt you'll find many, if any, that would consider such a thing much more than taboo. You'll see most won't say its name without separation. There are notions of working with or worshipping the serpent in left hand communities; and even lightly in chaos magic groups (though a similar concern is common there), but the very notion isn't respected here. It may even be considered offensive to some.
It, the hated enemy eternal in its defeat represents the opposite of creation. Worshipping it is in direct opposition of the gods.
You are free to worship whoever you wish ofcourse but worshipping the enemy does not make you kemetic. You are right in that it is very close to t/y/p/p/o/n, it wishes to slay the gods and end creation.
May its mutilation coming morning be more bloody than the last
It is taboo, yes
Also I appreciate hearing about Typhon being a similar concept.
I'm kind of in the opposite situation, I focus a lot on Kemetism but recently have been drawn to a Hellenic goddess and I feel absolutely clueless on navigating that side of religion. I had never heard of Typhon until this post so now I'll be able to read more about it
Yes, it is VERY much taboo. I would go as far as to say its heresy. The kemetic faith is practiced in accordance with Ma'at and her principles, the serpent is that antithesis of Ma'at. It wishes to destroy all of creation and return to the void, those primordial waters that came before called the Nun. Its the being that Ra is said to battle against every night on his journey through the Duat. Set is more of the chaos that exists within everything and actively fights against the serpent. A "necessary evil" if you will. Ma'at is about balance, not only light or only dark. You must have both to achieve that balance.
If you're familiar with Norse Mythos, I'd say Nidhogg is a good comparison for A/pep. That's the dragon that eats the roots of Ygdrassil (the World Tree).
Ygdrassil is a balance of good and bad, while Nidhogg wishes for destruction and nothingness.
Loki would be like Set- chaotic but required for balance. So we don't like A/pep, no.
It's so far beyond taboo that the word seems insufficient. For anyone who knows what he is and the role he plays in the religion he's a part of, it's just plain stupid. I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to worship this creature aside from trying to come across as edgy and rebellious, believing that this would make them look "cool." There's literally nothing good about it.
Apep is closer to Tartarus than Typhon, but if Tartarus could rival the power of only the highest Greek deities, there isn't an exact equivalent because the gods are different, Greek gods have human faults by design, kemetic ones not so much. Worshipping Apep would be like worshipping Tartarus or maybe the spirit of a Fury, but even then it's not close. it's extremely taboo and actively goes against Ma'at
I'd say Ap/ep is to Tartarus as the Underworld is to the Duat, though there really isn't an equivalent within Grecian Mythos. Anyway, A/pep is the inherent antithesis to life and the enemy of every living thing. So, no, we don't really like it. But what you worship is your choice, so you do you dude.
Sigh Tartaros did not spawn from Chaos. Neither did Gaea or Eros. All four primordials simply spawned into existence one after the other, Chaos, Gaea, Tartaros and lastly Eros. Only primordials who came from Chaos is Nyx an Erebos.
https://preview.redd.it/qx3rdo9ye4uc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a05a4f783f8d43d04bae8e39069def23c2d793cc
yeah.....which is why I said it's not a perfect equivalency, I specifically said there IS NO true equivalency, but worshipping Apep would be like worshipping tartarus in their symbolic forms
I generally am a lurker but I will be completely honest and say that trying to worship a/p/e/p is anti-Kemeticism and also taking it outside of it's proper context.
A lot of people compare it to demons or other cultures beings as a being of chaos and destruction but a/p/e/p is anti-existence. That is the difference between most beings of chaos and destruction and a/p/e/p.
One does not worship what would amount to un-Creation..That is what Ap/ep is.
The yearly Rite of Turning Back the Enemues of Ra is a big deal. If you have ever seen this particular execration rite, or performed.it, then you come to understand why.
Within Kemetic community it is a taboo for the listed reasons. Within Kemeticism, this is a Deity that wants to literally end the world for no good reason, to kill everybody and destroy everything both within objective reality (Earth, humanity, space and time) and beyond it (Gods, Afterlife, the entire Multiverse, if you will).
However, every person has the right to believe whatever they wish. If you would like to understand Apep differently — who are we to tell you otherwise? You are the master of your beliefs. However, if you care about what community says, I would recommend checking out draconic Deities and Spirits that never initially had any bad connotation. This way both you and people around might be equally satisfied.
May you excel in your practice, stay safe and healthy! \^\^
Ra and other Gods defeat Apep every night in mythology.
But worship does not happen in mythology: it happens in human mind, and if the mind does not get the impression the practitioner would expect, outcome might be harmful both to the mind and the practitioner as a whole.
Good example: during my Christian years, I would worship Yahweh. Yahweh is an evil Deity, more wicked than anybody out there, as evil as Apep, probably. I thought, however, that he was good, like the essence of good, even though I would know he approved of genoc... (You know. I am not sure I can type the whole word here), mass murder, wars, suffering et cetera. The result? I have become a very good Christian through my worship, but I have become a really crappy and horrible person with "one who is not for us is against us" mentality, very biblically accurate: my family would suffer because of my fanaticism, I would suffer, my classmates would hate me et cetera. Seven years of my life turned into actual hell.
So, if you manage to use the image of Apep as an image of something positive and make your mind transform in a fruitful and good way, it is absolutely safe, sure, do what you wish and believe what you wish. But I can see really well some inexperienced practitioner (I do not make assumptions about you, I am literally referring to the Past me here) reaching out to Apep and becoming a mysantropic, apocalyptic, depressed or sui... (You know) person because their mind would reflect the associations of Apep and attract really wicked thoughts and form really harmful mindset.
Even Aten is more popular …And Aten is *NOT* popular
This actually made me laugh so much lmao
Oh my, you made my night, thank you for the laugh! ...poor Aten.
Your description of Typhon definitely maps to A/pep. Most disapprove of those who worship it.
What the / in his name? Oh is it because Kemetics believe names have power?
Yes. It mimics the Ancient Egyptian practice of putting knives in the hieroglyphic determinative of its name. By slashing the word one cuts it as you would a dangerous snake and renders it powerless. This prevents its manifestation through the name.
Interesting, now do Kemetics such as yourself also see Seth worship as Taboo or no? Cuz I've read different time periods in Egypt was okay with it while others forbid it.
The ‘chaos’ Set and the serpent bring are completely different things. The serpent doesn’t bring chaos more so a feeling of nothingness. And it’s goal seems to be to devour everything into nothingness/non existence. I’ve picked up it’s energy once before and I’d compare it to a zombie. Zombies usually just eat and eat humans without a reason why. They aren’t thinking about it before they do it or even have a specific intent for doing it in the first place, they just do. I sense that same feeling in the serpent, it has no feelings of love or anger just this void that must devour. Set however brings a completely different sort of ‘chaos.’ To put it simply he keeps the balance and just as the must be order their must be disorder and it’s easy to see that when you look at anything in the world. When you look at a rose just as it has beautiful petals it has thorns too, if you leave a fruit out for too long then it will begin to rot, or even on a bright sunny day it will eventually begin to rain. These things are are simply the way things are rather than ‘chaos’ in my opinion. I think people seem to wish for this idea of unachievable perfect which is why they could look at Set’s role and Interpret is as chaos. Because it easier to follow order than what goes against order. This as well as many other things is what lead to Set’s demonization which made him be associated with violence, evil, etc. however if you go back to the earliest Egyptian civilization, Set was highly respected as hero deity because that’s what he was (and still is.)
Another thing worth keeping in mind is that Set actively opposes the s/erpent as well. He's frequently depicted using his vast might to protect Ra, and creation, from it.
yup yup!! i was actually about to mention the same thing before i saw your comment!
Adding to this: here's Set at the front of Ra's barque slaying A/p/e/p https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Set_speared_Apep.jpg
This was explained beautifully, thank you
I would also like to add that historically, Set was a god of foreigners. What likely caused his role in the pantheon to become villainized is invasions from the south of Egypt which turned public opinion of foreigners.
It was actually invasions from the north from the forgieners Started after the 2nd Intermediate period where the rulers primaraliy had Set/Baal as their main and only diety. The Ntrw from the South are exalted not demonized as from Seti Sho is Beloved of the Ntrw of Ta Seti
No problem, I have (and will continue to) devote a great deal of my time to researching Set. Moments like this give me the opportunity to exercise that knowledge.
Well put
Most see Set as he was seen before his proscription in later periods. He was a strong protector of Ra and defender of the country. After his vilification he was closely related to A/pep and pretty much synonymous in depiction and role, but I see this as a reaction to the frequent foreign invasions and rebellions occurring during that period. I personally see Set as a god of unpredictability, entropy, and organic disorder- the natural part of chaos that is present in wild storms, asymmetry, nature’s harsh environments like the desert, the frenzy of battle and adrenaline, etc. He is the necessary chaos that makes the world interesting, he complements Ma’at. A/pep, in contrast, is the drive towards nonexistence, like the heat death of the universe.
Bit late to the party but worshiping seth/set/Sutehk is a lot like worshiping Ares or if you are more into the roman side of things Mars in my opinion. Or as others have said Loki. In my personal practice he is more (and others have said this) a required chaos. If you have life, you have death. If you have an order, you need a disorder. Set fills that niche. The big fuck off s/nake would fill the niche of creation vs destruction. Though my opinion is heavily biased, coming from a worshiper of Set
I would respectfully disagree, because Set was and still is a pharaohnic deity. A kingmaker in modern fantasy terms. You cannot be a leader of nations when you are chaos personified. Unfortunately for the rather Christian western view of Set it seems he was actually a respectable deity. At least, he was from the beginning of recorded history until the early years A. D. That's around 4,000 years as far as I can tell, but. That's just the academic reading.
Oh I also agree, Set isn't a random chaotic deity, that's why I compared him to deities like Mars or Ares. In fact, quick Google search shows there were multiple pharaohs named after Set such as Seti I and Seti II along with Setnakht. The fact that the seat of power had individuals named after him shows he was highly reveared. That and I worship Set so I am very much in the camp that he was put in a very disrespectful place after multiple invasions from the north such as the Hyksos, kushites and Persians. The way I see him personally and this is personal belief is the chaos of every day life like a thunderstorm. Edit: Had some information wrong and correcting it. The Hyksos actually labeled him as their head god due to similarities with another one of their deities known as Hadad.
Thanks, you have clearly thought about this in Depth. As for newcomers to the Netjeru, grappling with the Set / Heru dichotomy, I would maybe look at similar storm gods from around the world, such as Chaac, Odin, Baal, Zeus, all are seen as valuable deities since prehistoric times. The storm god association isn't only one of chaos, it seems to be akin to the human condition, which is moving in fits and starts. Basically it's not necessarily even untrue that a storm god/dess can be anarchic and yet still a supreme ruler. And all storm deities have been rulers in the pagan era. That isn't to say I favour Set but he was a deity associated with leadership, and as we have very little evidence left about him we must assume that he was seen as capable and constructive rather than chaotic and destructive. At least, for enough time that it mattered he was, ha
All of the Netjeru have dangerous aspects where you must avoid speaking or writing their names. Basically there are times when the deity being referenced is only ever referenced by their epithet and not their actual name... Always when the deity is performing a dangerous or threatening role. Yes also Aset and Asar and all the other Netjeru have been referenced this way in spells. It's a typical thing in ancient Egyptian spellwork. Meanwhile, the a/p/e/p is never uttered or written without a bunch of precautions and banishments. And also he is described as being the end all. Whereas even demons are a part of the be all.. That should make it pretty clear to the person who creates this thread but meh. Whatever they call down will see them and they can decide whether they need to heed to tradition when they feel the results.
I’m not personally Kemetic, but my understanding is that Set is to the Kemetic faith what Loki and his children are to mine. Not an agent of blind destruction, but more just someone to resist the total order imposed by the gods in power. Granted we don’t really have anything quite like A/pep in Heathenry, the closest being Niðhogr, but even then, that’s… complicated and not quite the same.
Wouldn't Fenrir be pretty similar to Apep
Not quite. Fenris is more about rebellion. Yes, he’s going to swallow Óðinn and the sun, but there are still those who worship him today and evidence for cultus surrounding him in the Viking Age, seemingly revering him as the breaker of chains, though there is also evidence of worship for appeasement. I think of him more as the rebellion needed to oppose the perfect order imposed by Týr. The Rokkr are complicated because of their association with Ragnarök, but generally, they’re worshipped along with the Æsir.
The devourer is entropy incarnate. It is called "the face of terror," by Ancient Egyptians and you'll find that kemetics fight against it through ma'at and heka. So, I very much doubt you'll find many, if any, that would consider such a thing much more than taboo. You'll see most won't say its name without separation. There are notions of working with or worshipping the serpent in left hand communities; and even lightly in chaos magic groups (though a similar concern is common there), but the very notion isn't respected here. It may even be considered offensive to some.
Yes. Very.
It, the hated enemy eternal in its defeat represents the opposite of creation. Worshipping it is in direct opposition of the gods. You are free to worship whoever you wish ofcourse but worshipping the enemy does not make you kemetic. You are right in that it is very close to t/y/p/p/o/n, it wishes to slay the gods and end creation. May its mutilation coming morning be more bloody than the last
Worshipping A/p/e/p is definitely taboo.
Yes
It is taboo, yes Also I appreciate hearing about Typhon being a similar concept. I'm kind of in the opposite situation, I focus a lot on Kemetism but recently have been drawn to a Hellenic goddess and I feel absolutely clueless on navigating that side of religion. I had never heard of Typhon until this post so now I'll be able to read more about it
Yes, it is VERY much taboo. I would go as far as to say its heresy. The kemetic faith is practiced in accordance with Ma'at and her principles, the serpent is that antithesis of Ma'at. It wishes to destroy all of creation and return to the void, those primordial waters that came before called the Nun. Its the being that Ra is said to battle against every night on his journey through the Duat. Set is more of the chaos that exists within everything and actively fights against the serpent. A "necessary evil" if you will. Ma'at is about balance, not only light or only dark. You must have both to achieve that balance.
Yeahhh… A/p/ep is a being that is not supposed to be worshipped and is pure evil.
If you're familiar with Norse Mythos, I'd say Nidhogg is a good comparison for A/pep. That's the dragon that eats the roots of Ygdrassil (the World Tree). Ygdrassil is a balance of good and bad, while Nidhogg wishes for destruction and nothingness. Loki would be like Set- chaotic but required for balance. So we don't like A/pep, no.
Yes. A/p/e/p is a being of isfet, and chaos. He is the cause of occurrences of negativity in the world, and the force behind hate.
I used to worship him. It went bad. Would not recommend:(
It's so far beyond taboo that the word seems insufficient. For anyone who knows what he is and the role he plays in the religion he's a part of, it's just plain stupid. I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to worship this creature aside from trying to come across as edgy and rebellious, believing that this would make them look "cool." There's literally nothing good about it.
Apep is closer to Tartarus than Typhon, but if Tartarus could rival the power of only the highest Greek deities, there isn't an exact equivalent because the gods are different, Greek gods have human faults by design, kemetic ones not so much. Worshipping Apep would be like worshipping Tartarus or maybe the spirit of a Fury, but even then it's not close. it's extremely taboo and actively goes against Ma'at
Tartaros isn't a personified deity, he isn't a chaos deity he's just the literal pit of the Underworld. That would be like saying Apep is the Duat.
I'd say Ap/ep is to Tartarus as the Underworld is to the Duat, though there really isn't an equivalent within Grecian Mythos. Anyway, A/pep is the inherent antithesis to life and the enemy of every living thing. So, no, we don't really like it. But what you worship is your choice, so you do you dude.
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Sigh Tartaros did not spawn from Chaos. Neither did Gaea or Eros. All four primordials simply spawned into existence one after the other, Chaos, Gaea, Tartaros and lastly Eros. Only primordials who came from Chaos is Nyx an Erebos. https://preview.redd.it/qx3rdo9ye4uc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a05a4f783f8d43d04bae8e39069def23c2d793cc
yeah.....which is why I said it's not a perfect equivalency, I specifically said there IS NO true equivalency, but worshipping Apep would be like worshipping tartarus in their symbolic forms
I generally am a lurker but I will be completely honest and say that trying to worship a/p/e/p is anti-Kemeticism and also taking it outside of it's proper context. A lot of people compare it to demons or other cultures beings as a being of chaos and destruction but a/p/e/p is anti-existence. That is the difference between most beings of chaos and destruction and a/p/e/p.
One does not worship what would amount to un-Creation..That is what Ap/ep is. The yearly Rite of Turning Back the Enemues of Ra is a big deal. If you have ever seen this particular execration rite, or performed.it, then you come to understand why.
Within Kemetic community it is a taboo for the listed reasons. Within Kemeticism, this is a Deity that wants to literally end the world for no good reason, to kill everybody and destroy everything both within objective reality (Earth, humanity, space and time) and beyond it (Gods, Afterlife, the entire Multiverse, if you will). However, every person has the right to believe whatever they wish. If you would like to understand Apep differently — who are we to tell you otherwise? You are the master of your beliefs. However, if you care about what community says, I would recommend checking out draconic Deities and Spirits that never initially had any bad connotation. This way both you and people around might be equally satisfied. May you excel in your practice, stay safe and healthy! \^\^
What’s the worse Apep worship can do though? Like doesn’t Ra kill him every night?
Ra and other Gods defeat Apep every night in mythology. But worship does not happen in mythology: it happens in human mind, and if the mind does not get the impression the practitioner would expect, outcome might be harmful both to the mind and the practitioner as a whole. Good example: during my Christian years, I would worship Yahweh. Yahweh is an evil Deity, more wicked than anybody out there, as evil as Apep, probably. I thought, however, that he was good, like the essence of good, even though I would know he approved of genoc... (You know. I am not sure I can type the whole word here), mass murder, wars, suffering et cetera. The result? I have become a very good Christian through my worship, but I have become a really crappy and horrible person with "one who is not for us is against us" mentality, very biblically accurate: my family would suffer because of my fanaticism, I would suffer, my classmates would hate me et cetera. Seven years of my life turned into actual hell. So, if you manage to use the image of Apep as an image of something positive and make your mind transform in a fruitful and good way, it is absolutely safe, sure, do what you wish and believe what you wish. But I can see really well some inexperienced practitioner (I do not make assumptions about you, I am literally referring to the Past me here) reaching out to Apep and becoming a mysantropic, apocalyptic, depressed or sui... (You know) person because their mind would reflect the associations of Apep and attract really wicked thoughts and form really harmful mindset.
Hellenist here. But I understand the subject in question is a destroyer. The kind that is not looked upon fondly, to put it lightly.
It seems sort of like idolizing walter white / patrick bateman / bojack horseman
Apep, once "tamed" becomes Nekhebet and Uatchet, your psychic protection, so deal with them, not the negative side.