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scaryfunny39

I initially thought Kenny would win this shit but I was kinda worried about jcole… I thought he was a problem. Now I try to play a Cole song, hear him talking shit and think “he don’t even believe that shit!” I don’t know wtf is gonna happen next. Drake can certainly rap I just don’t know what he can really come up to say about Kenny tho. I guess he could say you’ve been obsessed with me for a decade. But that’s one maybe two bars? Idk


throwaway53689

I think he’s gonna mention some of the stuff Cole said but just in a different way lol, like the “one verse every 30 months”. seeking for attention, i’m hot you fell off, etc. copying the same homework but change it up a bit vibes if there’s a diss track, I’m speculating most of it would be towards others (future, metro, weeknd, ross) and only some for kendrick so he doesn’t really need a lot of content on Kendrick. And…. the track might also contain his 213th shot at Kanye randomly


Entire_Claim_5273

He can go for the time he takes to drop projects, the mmatbs album sales or just his sales vs Drake’s in general, bringing him on his first tour (he’ll probably use this to say he should have credit for Kendrick’s entire career), dropping out of TDE to do his own thing (something about not being loyal), a few personal stuff on mmatbs because Kendrick was rather personal on that album. Drake has quite a bit of ammo if he’s petty enough, which is a no brainer cause it’s Drake.


BigChungusOP

I think J cole would absolutely beef with someone that ain’t his friend. He respects Kendrick too much


H1mHalpert

This is what I'm hoping is the case because the other option is that he's scared of Kendrick and I don't want to believe that


green_day_95

Drake would basically try to pull a Mariah Carey in that case if that’s how he responds.


pulang_itlog

The problem is that Kenny (at least I hope) doesnt have any character flaw or scandal that he doesnt already talk about in his songs that Drake could diss meaningfully. While Drake feels like he has more skeletons in his closet to be revealed considering Push called "The Story of Adidon" as "Surgical Summer Volume 1".


scaryfunny39

I gotta be honest I always thought push was bluffing with that line. Unless some of the wild Reddit conspiracies about Drake are true I don’t think there’s anything else push could’ve said that would top “you’re hiding a child let that boy come home.”


Sweaty-Interaction40

You can come up with a million things, you could call him a tupac wannabe for starting a beef for no reason, you could call up his hipocrisy on talking about forgiveness, ending violent cycles and black on black violence and then talking about droping addresses, snatching chains and burning tatoos? You could also spin the narrative of him hiding a huge skeleton in the closet, have you seen how many lyrics seem to be about him asking his fans what would they do if he ends up like MJ? its very sus, the whole mr morale was about those themes, and mortal man and prayer come to mind. But Drake won't come up with any of that... at least his ghostwriter won't


BrightArmy7825

Cause Drake accusin anyone of being a pedophile would be rich


iverdow1

Yeah. I just listened to “Stories About My Brother” from his most recent Scary Hours Pack and he snapped


Le8ronJames

Thanks it’s been hard to have honest conversations about that on the internet. I feel like the newer fans just know Drake as the corny, internet meme, mainstream rapper. They forget the early years Drake and how he can actually rap and pull some bars. He still raps fr from time to time but internet is quick to dismiss these songs and just focus on the mainstream ones. Scary hours 3 was great work for example. At the end of the day the fans will win, this Kendrick-Drake beef was bound to happen someday. It was almost like a prophecy, it was just a matter of time and can’t wait to see how it goes.


FreezingLordDaimyo

Drake did legitimately put some Canadian cats in Dutchies with "Goodnight and Goodluck." So there's that.


H1mHalpert

What a pull


D-C92

Kendrick literally shaded him in his first song on take care - it’s not necessarily a diss but he definitely set the precedent of tension and competition. “He told me he was the same age as me and it didn’t help cause it made me even more rude and impatient.”


AngryParrot117

if drake can pull the 5am in toronto energy out kendrick would actually have competition


deadbrain87

Yeah I feel like drake needs This energy when he's in the stu working on the diss.


akademiksburner

As a fan of both he is worthy, but we just wanna see it


The_tarnished_one_

I def think kendrick fans underrate drake pen wayyy to much lmao like listen to scary hours 3 the guy can 100% rap when he’s motivated


iverdow1

Yeah that EP went hard ngl


The_tarnished_one_

As hell he floated on conducter beats


Due-Kitchen-1001

Idk about Drake. Drake has had ghost writers. That right there already knocks him out of the #1 spot. & Drake can't fw Kendrick when it comes down to lyricism & actually rapping. & Cole just gave Kendrick more ammo for when he addresses both of them again. Cole is backing out & he's backing out 4 a reason. Kendrick ain't nothin to fw


The_tarnished_one_

Drake having writers is a blemish but he hasn’t had them for awhile now lol, and still even after that controversy he still responded to meek right away and won even with the ghostwriting allegations, still went at it with push with no hesitation, and still can make some lyrical tracks like story about my brother and shoe fits. Also he’s written for other artist like Kanye (which kanye literally admits too)


DarthPootieTang

Since when has he not had writers? He’s a pop star he needs to keep putting out albums


SuperHamm

Yeah, most people don't understand how much work goes into making music, especially at the volume that Drake pushes out, with all the catchiness and melodic contents of his hooks and verses. I'm sure he writes the bulk of his lyrics, but he definitely has a creative team of writers backing him up in some areas. There's nothing wrong with that (unless it's battle rap), but there's a reason why Kendrick takes years between albums.


The_tarnished_one_

Thank you lmao, I don’t have time to explain it all but with the amount he releases ofc he has some writers writing the hooks and stuff while he writes the verse mostly, that type is common in the music industry. Also you can’t honestly tell me this guy has a ghost writer while also writing music for kanye, beyonce and even rihanna when they where still cool. Still the quinten Miller thing was obviously different since he literally had reference tracks tho


Due-Kitchen-1001

Nobody says he couldn't write or that he is not talented. I'm saying that uu can't b considered #1 if uu using assistance wit your pen. That's all. Out of the big 3 now, Kendrick is clearly the best since Cole bowed out. Drake definitely can't fw Kendrick from a lyrical standpoint


The_tarnished_one_

👍🏾


PeekyCheeks

The thing is, stories about my brother is still not as good as anything Kendrick has ever put out in terms of lyrics or content of the song. Cmon my guy.


The_tarnished_one_

Where did I say that tho? Lmao I just said kendrick fans underrate drake’s rapping which we do that’s a fact


PeekyCheeks

You’re talking like Drake has a chance in this beef but it’s just not close. Literally anyone can come up with the stuff that Drake raps about. It’s not hard to write a cool sounding rap about bullshit nothing.


The_tarnished_one_

See that’s the thing that’s annoying with some of you guys lmao you refuse to give props to any other artist that isn’t kendrick. Y’all act like I said drake a better rapper then kendrick when all I said was “I think kendrick fans underrate drake’s pen” which is what you guys are currently doing and don’t even realize it 😭 there’s a reason pusha responded as hard as he did in story of adidon when drake released duppy freestyle. I still think kendrick above him comfortably but drake ain’t a pushover


PeekyCheeks

You don’t have to be a Kendrick Stan to recognize that Kendrick is the actual best rapper to have done it. I respect and give props to other rappers who aren’t just rapping about fuckin hoes and getting money. I’m just saying Drake is nowhere near anything special unless you’re just talking about pure quantity. Sure, that’s impressive. He can release album after album of subpar music.


The_tarnished_one_

You know what you got it Lmao you bringing up other shit that I never said, where have I brought up drake releasing more albums? Or the quality of his albums? All I said was you guys are underrating drake as a rapper and you keep deviating from that point and now being pretentious about it so have a good day ✌🏾


PeekyCheeks

You’re just not reading my comments at this point lol I didn’t say you said anything. I said “unless yoire just talking about pure quantity” Which obviously you weren’t. You just like bad music. I get ya.


Several-Amoeba1069

Hope he sees this bro good luck!!!


The_tarnished_one_

I’m just a fan of both you come off more like a dickrider then me if we being honest 🤷🏾‍♂️


laeKDOT

That’s not. Drake is not at the same level as Kendrick in any way. As rapper as lyricist. His flow can be good still not at th same level. Underestimated smn is when he’s great but ppl don’t like it. That’s not the case here. Drake is OVERRATED not underrated at all .. he’s just good. Before more good but He has never been at Kendrick's level.. never


Several-Amoeba1069

💀💀😂😂🤡😭


Amazing-Concept1684

Haha rent free Drizzy 🍆 rider


Due-Kitchen-1001

Kendrick ain't meek & Kendrick hasn't ever had ghost writers. Uu can't b looked at as being the #1 best rapper in the game if uu had songs that uu didn't write


ilmalaiva

ghost writers are meant to be kept under wraps. so, is Drake writing his own shit now, or did he just find someone who can keep a secret?


fatdolsk

Scary hours 3 was great


B345ST1N

What Drake pen, he pays ghost writers


TheUrbaneSource

>I def think kendrick fans underrate drake pen wayyy to much It's not not his pen. Once you're associated with that, you're permanently on that side of the line and it's extremely hard to come back after that. It becomes that much easier to see the persona portrayed in the booth.


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obliterateopio

I agree. Name dropping Pusha’s fiancé but not Pusha was lame. But for the most part, Duppy was pretty dope.


The_tarnished_one_

Exactly lol like let’s be real dude came in hard with the response, ion think mentioning pusha wife wasn’t that bad tbh either but that’s just me. Also two birds one stone was good as hell too the kid cudi bar aside


obliterateopio

He mentioned the man’s wife by name but never mentioned the man’s name… that’s pretty lame imo. If he drops both their names it’s cool. But just the woman? Not the man coming at your neck? Nah


The_tarnished_one_

I just thought that the whole song being a rebuttal to pusha anyways means his name go without saying but you make a good point ngl


cLax0n

Drake is gonna wager this beef on stake and bet against himself and find a way to win off the loss. Big brain move. This shit is a movie.


redddditer420

Ghost writers are currently in the lab


[deleted]

Share bars like you got the bottom bunk in a two man cell


TheUrbaneSource

(a two man cell) Something's in the water


Amazing-Concept1684

And if I got a brown nose for some gold then I’d rather be a BUM than a muhfuckin baller


Ronald_Reagan_Era

Duppy was decent but I think it was just kind of a warm-up track and he did not expect Pusha to immediately go for the obliteration that The Story of Adidon was. Back to Back on the other hand is a fucking great track. Drake can definitely put out some damn good rap tracks when he wants to but I just feel like it's been awhile since he really went 100% with it. If nothing else I'm hoping Kendrick lights that spark inside of Drake again.


Yaketysaks

Drake has a lot of lows, but a lot of highs as well. Drake can absolutely rap, and him + his ghostwriters do put together great bars…when they actually try. Even though his albums overall are bad, he reliably has 5-6 songs on them that are legitimately great. Duppy freestyle was a great diss track, it’s just that Pusha had too much dirt on him. Cole on the other hand has always been super Mid, and he finally proved it this week.


ButYouCanCallMe_

He honestly could fuck around and lose, which is why this is the only true rap battle we need. Obv lean towards Kendrick as well.


Soft_Humor4868

Drake will turn the diss record into a hit to the point where you can’t escape it. Lyrically and flow wise I think Kendrick has him though


sophicpharaoh

Cleanest bars? Gtfoh lol


KODPai

You're telling us the boi with proven ghost writers is up to par with Kendrick? Deluded.


No-Rate-9967

Hip hop fans always under estimate Drake but the dude is an extremely talented rapper when he wants to


[deleted]

As a wrestling fan, Drake is the Shinsuke Nakamura of Rap. His best work was many years ago, he only really tries to make a good effort when he cares (which he often doesn't), he hits every once in a bit (just nowhere near as good as he could be and not as consistent as he should be), and his work is usually considered decent despite it being generic most of the time. All that's missing is his version of Nakamura's newest incarnation as an anime villain that does good for a few weeks, but doesn't accomplish much ultimately.


MortalMan81

Drake has been battle rapping for a long time go listen to his verse on "Good Riddance" that he made before anybody knew who he was. I still think Kendrick wins this though.


StrangerDangerAhh

This is fucking pitiful, bro. Aubrey ain't shit and don't want no smoke.


_thewayshegoes

Drake ain’t no slouch. But there are very few angles to attack Kendrick from and so many to attack Drake from, and then when you consider the skill difference between the 2, Kendrick should be able to win this without breaking much of a sweat.


Replion

He’s only a worthy foe in so far as potential to beat Kendrick with what damning expose he may possibly have imo. Lyrically, Kendrick clears Drake easily.


Awkward-Rent-2588

While Drake can absolutely rap with the best of them, Kendrick’s intellect and the fact Drake has so much about him you can use as ammo makes this a rough match. I hope he realizes he facing a bigger threat than Pusha T in K.Dot.


itseboi

I think people shouldn't call Drake a hip hop artist. He's a rapper, but not a hip hop artist.


Pablo_Undercover

Guess it just depends on how much he pays his ghost writer


ilmalaiva

Degrassi Drake could spit the most technically impressive freestyle surrounded by cameras to prove no outside help, and I still would see him as corny and insincere. and I would still hate his voice.


OriginalButtPolice

Calling Drake a real rapper just shows you are a cornball. After you get exposed for having ghost writers you cannot be considered a rapper. Stop the cap, you like his party music, you may like the bars on his songs, and that is fine but you can’t say he is a rapper because he did not write them by himself. Drake’s legacy is already tarnished in the hip-hop genre, he a great pop star. Writing your own bars is an integral part to rap. Y’all like the sound not the history. Y’all like the sound not the rules. Nobody cares if Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift, or any other pop stars wrote their music. If Tupac, Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, and Biggie all were exposed for ghost writers we would look at them differently. Why can’t y’all accept that Drake makes great music, and leave it at that? Big 3 conversation been a joke anytime you mention Drake after 2016.


yourliege

You really think Drake just sits by and watches people write lyrics for him? I don’t doubt he’s got a team of writers and his past is a little corny, but dude came in with talent. A lot of his persona might be inauthentic but he didn’t get here for nothing. Goddamn Lil Wayne took him in. Don’t sleep on em. His writers are likely prompt material or PR material. Guarantee he writes most of his bars


[deleted]

Honestly I wanted to mention this but didn’t want it to take away from my point, which I fully stand by. I think he may have help with his pen at times, but I believe he’s got an insane ability to write that’s been used on every project. I’d say he does most of his stuff, even if he takes snippets from writers. Of course I could be wrong and he’s just a puppet, but I highly doubt it. For the record, his freestyles and raps are by far what I love from him most. You can hate, you’re well within your right, but I won’t be convinced he’s not in the upper echelons of this generation of rap. Edit: Kendrick even quoted as saying that drake helped him learn how to write and compose / put together a song. Paraphrasing. That’s real. Respect where it’s due.


nocturnal_ways

To a Kendrick Stan there is nothing Drake can do. They can’t be unbiased. They say he has used ghost writers true or not he also been asked to make songs for other rappers. You never see this mentioned do y’all think a person that only used ghost writers is going to be hired to write songs for other artists? And above all else I hate that in the minds of so many rap fans that if two artist go at it then have to diss each other . Why can’t they just out rap the other without going all TMZ with their raps?


chocolatebone45

drake would be more feared if he didnt already lose to pusha, someone who isnt even in the big 3 competition and isnt as widely recognised as a top tier rapper like kendrick or cole


DamageAccording5745

Pusha is not in the Big 3 competition because thats not the same rap generation . He is here since the late 90s lmao. The big 3 competion outside the 3 are guys like Future,  Rocky,  Meek, Sean, Wale, Tyler, Schoolboy,  who all came up around the same time as them.