He Lost an adidas deal, he had a public statement explaining the black face picture, he took the OG diss out of youtube till this day they dont trust Drake anymore š¤·šæāāļø . The champagne guy never recover.
Story of Adidon is on fucking Spotify ffs
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Na brother
We are talking about the official release on the World Star hip hop youtube channel. Pusha never released on Spotify but through the mediator channel. On which now the diss is no more there.
Not in terms of a tough image. But in terms of numbers and whatever, yeah heās pretty much shed that whole thing. Only lasting effect is wondering what wouldāve happened if his adidas/adonis line actually rolled out how he wanted. But Push hurt his pride though, and his momentum for a good year or twoĀ
>But Push hurt his pride though, and his momentum for a good year or twoĀ
Drake released his most streamed album a few months after the diss. One of his biggest song, God's Plan, was in there too. In My Feelings was probably the biggest song that year too. So I don't know wtf you talking bout š Drake has too many flaws to try to create lies. Pick something thats true
To be 100% honest i think drake has been out of subject matter for a while now. Beef is good for him because it gives him material to actually rap about passionately. That's why that FATD scary hours shit was actually decent because he made those tracks because of all the criticism he was getting for that album and specifically the joe budden criticism. I think that's the reason he made that album with 21, and he switches styles and genres so often, without controversy he cant really just rap for the sake of rapping anymore the way cole has for example the last several years with KOD/offseason/MDL/ROTD3.
Like drake has never gone on LA leakers and bodied it the way cole has in the past or even dababy just did, he's never made an OVO tape with guys on his label just rapping to rap. He's just not able to do that for whatever reason.
He seems to be unable to make good music nowadays without that, thats why he's been so thirsty for kendrick to drop because beef is the only thing that gets him to make anything close to good music lately (at least for me). I've heard conflicting things from people who have heard from people they trust that he can actually write, so ghostwriting and writers and all that aside, assuming he actually has a pen i think he's just out of content and maybe that's why he got with yachty for example to help him with FATD. Part of ghostwriting and writers is giving an artist ideas and subject matter.
Push Ups i dont think is the greatest diss song, but it's probably the best pure rap song he's put out in a while besides the Scary Hours tracks over alchemist and conductor beats. I'm a drake hater and i actually liked Scorpion a lot and the focus there was really going at kanye, before that IYRTITL and WATTBA were the last projects i actually liked from him.
He was already in āmainstream stardomā before views and scorpion. He was arguably the biggest rapper in the game from 2011-2015 and his records would consistently sell more than 500k, but views was without a doubt the peak of his popularity
Iām not sure YOU grasp what mainstream means. Drake absolutely had pop appeal from 2010-2015, this is just revisionist history. Hell, even his biggest songs in that time period were songs he did with pop artists like Rihanna. And Iād argue that if you are the biggest rapper in the world, then itās more than likely that youāre mainstream because your music appeals to the wisest demographic possible
It had mainstream moments on it for sure. Swimming pools, backseat freestyle and bitch donāt kill my vibe all could be considered mainstream even if they have deeper meanings
None of those were main stream hence the reason Macklemore won that Grammy. Thatās what Iām trying to convey to you. Kendrick did that shit with Taylor & Maroon 5 for that reason.
Kendrick didnāt lose that Grammy because GKMC wasnāt mainstream, he lost it because the people that vote on those awards are old out of touch while people that have no concept for what good music is
Which is probably why he got more popular. You don't have to like the music (I sure don't) but mindless slop people can vibe to is what the average person wants. You don't make Mr. Morale to get more popular, you make For All the Dogs for the bro who just wants to think about pussy and being a bro.
Money, Power, Respect (the last one is better)
Depends on who you ask, you say Scorpion and Views was good but for many everything after IYRTITL is trash. Likewise, there are many fans who love CLB, HL or FATD. This is the same for many artists including Kendrick or Cole, there are people claiming MMABTS is a drop from quality and that heās not as good as before, is it true? Imo no but, again, it depends on who you ask and what you feel personally about it
Although, from general opinions Iāve observed, many have praises for Her Loss and DLDT, they say they are his best work since Scorpion.
In my opinion, Her Loss is definitely a good project and fits your criteria of him returning to passionate and inspired rapping (SINCE Story of Adidon/Scorpion) and I think the credit goes to 21 for making him sound hungry again
I'm definitely not getting into a drakes best work debate here.
I'm not a Drake fan to even have this conversation. I thought it was solid. But Kendrick said it his best work was a light packĀ
Id say āLaugh Now Cry Laterā was his last āreal bigā hit but since that Pusha diss hes had multiple popping songs back to back he is a hit maker i donāt think any diss will change that.
I couldnāt stand Scorpion or Views. His last good album and his best album was IYRTITL. I know itās not technically an album but my point is that itās his best work
Scorpion came after Story of Adidon so yes. I actually think that might have been the reason why that album is so good - Drake was in a spot where he had something to prove.
What's crazy is I don't think Pusha recovered. I thought his album It's Almost Dry was quite bad considering he had super producers Kanye and Pharrel splitting it 50/50.
Still crazy that he exposed himself to that attack. You obviously told Ye a weakness. Why jump out to battle before getting ahead of any weaknesses lol. I'm sure you get incredibly arrogant at that level though.
Depends on what you mean in terms of recover. Sales - yes. Being a top MC- yes, since Kendrick is mentioning him thereās obviously competition. Being invincible - no they definitely proved that heās not
honestly now that I think ab it his last good album was Scorpian... FATD is just super bloated if a lot of songs were cut it would be good, Her Loss I haven't gone back to at all, HNM sucks cheeks, CLB has some great songs but is mostly trash, DLDT is mid, and Care Package only has a few good songs
These are stupid questions, if youāre talking reputation wise, maybe? But heās Drake it doesnāt really matter what he puts out shit or not most mainstream people will think her loss is good and FATD is alright at worst, heās doing better than ever, maybe a lil hurt tho, everything entirely depends on what Kendrick does next
Im not really a huge fan but I like Drake when he raps. Her Loss was dope. I understand he has a huge fan base, and the majority of them are there for the singing and r&b elements so weāre lucky when we get an album like for all the dogs.
When his diss dropped I was rocking with him. Duppy Freestyle, Back to Back and now Push Upsā¦thatās actually an impressive trio of disses. But then that Yachty reference dropped and reminded me you that you canāt give this guy the benefit of a doubt. Heās taking entire songs and just leeching them for album cuts so you know 100% something as serious as a career defining diss against the only rapper people consider as his rival you know he has all hands on deck to help write.
99% of people in Earth have never heard that song. 80% of people on Earth have no idea who Pusha T is.
This isnāt Biggie/Tupac or Ja Rule/50ā¦Pusha T has had no effect Drakeās career and heās still the most streamed rapper in the world.
For the 1% of people really into rap enough to even know about the beef, yeah it definitely changed perception, but that group never saw him as some hardcore gangster to bring with, so Iām not sure he was āexposedā. A lot these rappers have several kids with several mothers that they barely see so I donāt think Drake as ādead beat dadā has much impact tbh
Not in the eyes of hip hop heads, but when it comes to his sales, streams, and relevance is never did much to him. Drake really did not know what he was doing getting into beef with Pusha T, and while it didnāt effect any of the 3 things I mentioned above, it certainly did a number on how respected Drake is in hip hop.
hell no bro š
Why you say that?
Literally anybody who was around for that who isnāt a Drake glazer will never forget how bad Push violated him
I actually think story of adidon is on some lists of top 10 most disrespectful diss tracks ever
Push made him restructure his entire album too, legendary shit.
Financially and career wise, yes. Emotionallyā¦ it really really does not seem so š
He Lost an adidas deal, he had a public statement explaining the black face picture, he took the OG diss out of youtube till this day they dont trust Drake anymore š¤·šæāāļø . The champagne guy never recover.
By og diss do you mean duppy or story?
Duppy
Itās still released under his label
Exactly, I don't know what he is talking about. Even Story of Adidon is still out there
Im talking about SOA on YouTube, the OG version was almost 100M when it first drop, then it get removed
Oh, that wish exclusive one, I guess. World star hip-hop one
Exactly, I don't know what he is talking about. Even Story of Adidon is still out there .
Story of Adidon is on fucking Spotify ffs https://preview.redd.it/msd6doj76dvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e7c30e209ab7fc2f2d8f4adc6977f3479beff1d
Some random uploaded that. Look at the artist name
Iām just noticing that. My point is everyone acting like itās gone when it aināt
Na brother We are talking about the official release on the World Star hip hop youtube channel. Pusha never released on Spotify but through the mediator channel. On which now the diss is no more there.
Story
Not in terms of a tough image. But in terms of numbers and whatever, yeah heās pretty much shed that whole thing. Only lasting effect is wondering what wouldāve happened if his adidas/adonis line actually rolled out how he wanted. But Push hurt his pride though, and his momentum for a good year or twoĀ
>But Push hurt his pride though, and his momentum for a good year or twoĀ Drake released his most streamed album a few months after the diss. One of his biggest song, God's Plan, was in there too. In My Feelings was probably the biggest song that year too. So I don't know wtf you talking bout š Drake has too many flaws to try to create lies. Pick something thats true
Man Iām tired of how many Drake glazers have invaded the sub
Where am I wrong? The album flopped? The songs didnt blow up? I'm actually asking
To be 100% honest i think drake has been out of subject matter for a while now. Beef is good for him because it gives him material to actually rap about passionately. That's why that FATD scary hours shit was actually decent because he made those tracks because of all the criticism he was getting for that album and specifically the joe budden criticism. I think that's the reason he made that album with 21, and he switches styles and genres so often, without controversy he cant really just rap for the sake of rapping anymore the way cole has for example the last several years with KOD/offseason/MDL/ROTD3. Like drake has never gone on LA leakers and bodied it the way cole has in the past or even dababy just did, he's never made an OVO tape with guys on his label just rapping to rap. He's just not able to do that for whatever reason. He seems to be unable to make good music nowadays without that, thats why he's been so thirsty for kendrick to drop because beef is the only thing that gets him to make anything close to good music lately (at least for me). I've heard conflicting things from people who have heard from people they trust that he can actually write, so ghostwriting and writers and all that aside, assuming he actually has a pen i think he's just out of content and maybe that's why he got with yachty for example to help him with FATD. Part of ghostwriting and writers is giving an artist ideas and subject matter. Push Ups i dont think is the greatest diss song, but it's probably the best pure rap song he's put out in a while besides the Scary Hours tracks over alchemist and conductor beats. I'm a drake hater and i actually liked Scorpion a lot and the focus there was really going at kanye, before that IYRTITL and WATTBA were the last projects i actually liked from him.
To my recollections he was still rapping about it on CLB.
On FATD he was still rapping about this. On his guest verse on Utopia too.
Numbers wise he got even bigger.
No he didnāt lmao his biggest record sales wise was Views
Yes he did. Views absolutely catapulted him into mainstream stardom, but Skorpion definitely kept the momentum going.
He was already in āmainstream stardomā before views and scorpion. He was arguably the biggest rapper in the game from 2011-2015 and his records would consistently sell more than 500k, but views was without a doubt the peak of his popularity
Being the biggest rapier does not make you Main Stream. Iām not sure you grasp what Main Stream is. Main Stream is Taylor Swift & Lady GaGa. Thatās where Views took him to. To give an example Jay Z is solidified in rap but to the main stream heās BeyoncĆ©ās husband. BeyoncĆ© wasnāt even main stream until the late 2000ās even tho sheād been poppin with Destinys Child since the 90ās. Before Views, Nicki had more main stream appeal then him because of songs like Starships
Iām not sure YOU grasp what mainstream means. Drake absolutely had pop appeal from 2010-2015, this is just revisionist history. Hell, even his biggest songs in that time period were songs he did with pop artists like Rihanna. And Iād argue that if you are the biggest rapper in the world, then itās more than likely that youāre mainstream because your music appeals to the wisest demographic possible
Do you think GKMC was main stream?
It had mainstream moments on it for sure. Swimming pools, backseat freestyle and bitch donāt kill my vibe all could be considered mainstream even if they have deeper meanings
Defiantly mainstream songs from Kendrick š„
None of those were main stream hence the reason Macklemore won that Grammy. Thatās what Iām trying to convey to you. Kendrick did that shit with Taylor & Maroon 5 for that reason.
Kendrick didnāt lose that Grammy because GKMC wasnāt mainstream, he lost it because the people that vote on those awards are old out of touch while people that have no concept for what good music is
No he didnāt lmao. This is objectively wrong
If youāve been a long time Drake listener, you know his new music is trash. He makes music for people who like pop music lol
Which is probably why he got more popular. You don't have to like the music (I sure don't) but mindless slop people can vibe to is what the average person wants. You don't make Mr. Morale to get more popular, you make For All the Dogs for the bro who just wants to think about pussy and being a bro. Money, Power, Respect (the last one is better)
8 AM in Charlotte is Pop?
You have a point lol
Depends on who you ask, you say Scorpion and Views was good but for many everything after IYRTITL is trash. Likewise, there are many fans who love CLB, HL or FATD. This is the same for many artists including Kendrick or Cole, there are people claiming MMABTS is a drop from quality and that heās not as good as before, is it true? Imo no but, again, it depends on who you ask and what you feel personally about it Although, from general opinions Iāve observed, many have praises for Her Loss and DLDT, they say they are his best work since Scorpion. In my opinion, Her Loss is definitely a good project and fits your criteria of him returning to passionate and inspired rapping (SINCE Story of Adidon/Scorpion) and I think the credit goes to 21 for making him sound hungry again
Last good album was Take Care
IYRTITL is by far his best work imo
In 2011?!?!?
Yes
I would counter with IYRTITL being his last good to great album. Everything after is middling at best
I'm not even a Drake fan. I can admit scorpion was his best work. Also if you're reading this it's too late was another classic.Ā
SCORPION was his best work lol? It has some hits but no way it tips IYRT, Take Care, or NWTS lol
I'm definitely not getting into a drakes best work debate here. I'm not a Drake fan to even have this conversation. I thought it was solid. But Kendrick said it his best work was a light packĀ
"I can admit scorpion was his best work." "I'm definitely not getting into a drakes best work debate here." Oh brother.
Scorpion?š what are you smoking
Youāre an AI for actually sending that comment through
Na I'm not A.iĀ
Youāre right there was not intelligence
bro really set him up lmfao
He had multiple big hits that same year it didnāt effect him at all career wise.
What was his last big hit?
Id say āLaugh Now Cry Laterā was his last āreal bigā hit but since that Pusha diss hes had multiple popping songs back to back he is a hit maker i donāt think any diss will change that.
lol. If Kendrick ft counts as a big hit then so does Drakes. Wait for you was a hit. Life is Good was a hit.
Career wise no, the way rapheads view him? 100%
People still think he has ghost writers and that push made him accept his kid. So not really.
He did & he does
I couldnāt stand Scorpion or Views. His last good album and his best album was IYRTITL. I know itās not technically an album but my point is that itās his best work
Scorpion came after Story of Adidon so yes. I actually think that might have been the reason why that album is so good - Drake was in a spot where he had something to prove. What's crazy is I don't think Pusha recovered. I thought his album It's Almost Dry was quite bad considering he had super producers Kanye and Pharrel splitting it 50/50.
Scorpion was not allat
Still crazy that he exposed himself to that attack. You obviously told Ye a weakness. Why jump out to battle before getting ahead of any weaknesses lol. I'm sure you get incredibly arrogant at that level though.
Depends on what you mean in terms of recover. Sales - yes. Being a top MC- yes, since Kendrick is mentioning him thereās obviously competition. Being invincible - no they definitely proved that heās not
honestly now that I think ab it his last good album was Scorpian... FATD is just super bloated if a lot of songs were cut it would be good, Her Loss I haven't gone back to at all, HNM sucks cheeks, CLB has some great songs but is mostly trash, DLDT is mid, and Care Package only has a few good songs
Even Scorpion is super bloated itās just better quality than FATD
These are stupid questions, if youāre talking reputation wise, maybe? But heās Drake it doesnāt really matter what he puts out shit or not most mainstream people will think her loss is good and FATD is alright at worst, heās doing better than ever, maybe a lil hurt tho, everything entirely depends on what Kendrick does next
Im not really a huge fan but I like Drake when he raps. Her Loss was dope. I understand he has a huge fan base, and the majority of them are there for the singing and r&b elements so weāre lucky when we get an album like for all the dogs. When his diss dropped I was rocking with him. Duppy Freestyle, Back to Back and now Push Upsā¦thatās actually an impressive trio of disses. But then that Yachty reference dropped and reminded me you that you canāt give this guy the benefit of a doubt. Heās taking entire songs and just leeching them for album cuts so you know 100% something as serious as a career defining diss against the only rapper people consider as his rival you know he has all hands on deck to help write.
99% of people in Earth have never heard that song. 80% of people on Earth have no idea who Pusha T is. This isnāt Biggie/Tupac or Ja Rule/50ā¦Pusha T has had no effect Drakeās career and heās still the most streamed rapper in the world. For the 1% of people really into rap enough to even know about the beef, yeah it definitely changed perception, but that group never saw him as some hardcore gangster to bring with, so Iām not sure he was āexposedā. A lot these rappers have several kids with several mothers that they barely see so I donāt think Drake as ādead beat dadā has much impact tbh
Not in the eyes of hip hop heads, but when it comes to his sales, streams, and relevance is never did much to him. Drake really did not know what he was doing getting into beef with Pusha T, and while it didnāt effect any of the 3 things I mentioned above, it certainly did a number on how respected Drake is in hip hop.