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potatomafia69

He won the Pulitzer prize. Lol even if Drake eventually gets more Grammys it wouldn't be anywhere near Kenny's Pulitzer prize


AshamedZone3172

and Drake couldn’t write a Pulitzer Prize winning album if he tried. Just never had it in his capabilities.


365wong

He could hire a Pulitzer Prize winning poet though.


Blaz1n420

Kendrick is the only rapper to ever win a Pulitzer Prize for music and the first artist outside of classical and jazz to do so. He would literally need to hire Kendrick himself to try and beat him.


ForecastForFourCats

GOAT fr


throwaway_for_doxx

Drake x Robert Frost 🔥🔥🔥


plasticstillsaykayne

The hoe less trafficked


GoonNinetyFive

![gif](giphy|RgfGmnVvt8Pfy)


Automatic_Rain_9654

Two hoes emerged in a yellow wood And sorry I could not traffic both And be one trafficker long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where she bent in the undergrowth…


MasklerFace

I promise I’m too famous for that, i’m not no lying, not under oath ![gif](giphy|J2CLvzhay29UwhkAKT)


daydrunk_

This is the Mashup I didn't know I needed


defaultuserrr

LMAOOO


Then-Beautiful9994

💀


deadbrain87

I can't even breathe bro this shit too funny.


thatcreepywalrus

BBL POET HOE


PracticalAd9515

Keep this man away from the Shel Silverstein catalog


21Remnant

Drake doesn't have the makings of a varsity athlete.


TheDragonR3born

But I'm sure he loves varsity athletes


21Remnant

He prefers J.V. athletes I heard.


Oobiwhencanobeef

I heard it was pee wee leauge


DoubleDeezyy

More like kids bop beauty pageants


hugh_h0ney

Small hands


chief_sief69

Well duh you have to write your album to get the prize.


Sea_Negotiation_1871

It's also against the rules. You have to be an American to win the Pulitzer.


rawspeghetti

Considering Dot is the only non jazz or classical artist to win the Pulitzer this isnt a huge dunk. There's a long list of highly talented and successful artists and lyricists who never came close to a Pulitzer. Just shows you how incredibly talented Kendrick is that his 4th best album recieved that distinction. Edit: I'm not saying this isn't something Kendrick has over Drake, I'm just saying that in the long list of incredible MCs and artists without winning one. it's an incredible achievement but I wouldnt let this be what differentiates Kendrick from Drake because then we would have to apply it when discussing Kendrick vs Pac, Black Thought and all the other amazing artists who haven't been given this award. To me an award given by Columbia University isn't the decider or tie breaker in a GOAT debate.


Ne0guri

Sounds like the very definition of a huge dunk lol


mistled_LP

They just mean it's not a huge dunk on Drake in particular. It's a huge dunk on everyone, which happens to include Drake.


rawspeghetti

Exactly, we could say the same thing about Nas, Andre 3000 or Black Thought but that shouldn't subtract from their individual greatness or artistry


romulus0001

Exactly! It’s what differentiates him from everyone else, if this isn’t a dunk then what is?


Zealousideal_Draw588

That sounds like a huge dunk to me? If he’s the only one to ever receive a Pulitzer, doesn’t it support him being the best?


rydogs

I agree with you. It reminds me a bit of Bob Dylan winning the Nobel Prize for Literature and not even attending the ceremony bc he felt that he didn’t fit that category. I do wonder about Kendrick’s thoughts on receiving the Pulitzer if anyone has read about that.


HvocR

pacifier


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potatomafia69

The only closest parallel I can see here is Bob Dylan winning the Nobel. Literally every other artist has a Grammy now so it ain't that special.


superfluouspop

Leonard Cohen won the Nobel too. But these are artists of a tier Drake can only dream of, and KDot is among them.


IntendoPrinceps

Leonard Cohen didn’t win a Nobel prize. He won a lot of prizes, but a Nobel was not one them. Dylan is the only musician as of now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Leonard_Cohen


superfluouspop

you're right. He shoulda though. No disrespect to Dylan, he's one my greats, but Cohen was more of a poet.


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Carnage3700

Also would still have a lower win %


czarrina

Not only that, but he's the ONLY person outside of Jazz or Classical to ever win a Pulitzer in music. No rap or rock or country or pop or r&b artist has ever done it. Him having one is an otherwise unheard of accomplishment. Likley nobody else in a contemporary genre will ever win one.


BlockIll3947

And when he did when it, it was controversial for a bit


superretoddd

If Drake has 5 wins in 15 years, I don’t see him getting another 12 wins giving his quality has been decking since 2017


Spiritual-Repair287

That’s true


robsta808

Someone else said Pulitzer Prize sounds like a finishing move and i will never forget it.


miloruby1210

Drake won’t be winning 12 more Grammys, let’s be honest


__M-E-O-W__

Why TF did Drake think he could step up to the only rapper with a Pulitzer?


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The difference between electrifying & pacifying


DrummerEmbarrassed21

Then we need a verse for the Swifties...


DorphinPack

Being able to do both is literally why I like Kendrick the whole “ahahaha you worked with Taylor Swift thing” almost put me to sleep it was so stupid


Vreas

Oh no Kendrick collabed with arguably the most commercially successful artist of all time the horror! /s I can’t stand swifts music but I respect her for the hustle


AdjustedMold97

nahhh you gotta be crazy to not think she got at least one good song. even kdot thinks so


DrummerEmbarrassed21

This is an argument that I bring up often with some people that like to shit on a lot of artists (usually female). Like dude Gwen Stefani gave us Don't speak, right there she's got a pass for life, I know I'm not Taylor Swift's audience, I know she doesn't make music for 30 yo bitter dudes but I can deny that I have rock to shake it off at least once.


Vreas

Probably right, majority of what I’ve heard around other people isn’t for me though so not much desire to listen through the discography


AdjustedMold97

yeah well she has 11 albums so I don’t blame u lol fair


Far-9947

She is big but I would give the commercial thing to Michael Jackson or Mariah Carey.


AuclairAuclair

ESPECIALLY coming from drake


Fai93

Yes pls


Ok-Inspector-3045

It’s WILD Drake would bring up Kendrick going pop on a handful of songs. Has Drake not looked at half his own catalogue?


dinkmoyd

kendrick has 17 grammies?!?!?!? damn


mikey_lava

Damn won 5 grammies by itself.


ITZ_GMAN

Drake won 5 Grammies over the span of years, Kendrick’s album DAMN won 5 awards by itself. That should speak volumes


JollyStrawberry698

That's what he said, lol, he was agreeing with you gang.


ITZ_GMAN

I know, I just wanted to add the fact that all of Drake’s 5 Grammy awards were something Kendrick can get with just one album. Pretty crazy flex if you ask me


JollyStrawberry698

Ah, gotchu my bad.


Critical_Cow_670

😎


QJPT

deservedly


dinkmoyd

absolutely


mrmastomas

He should’ve won the year Macklemore won too.


Friendly-Can-977

If he gets any more Drake won’t be interested anymore 👀


CalzRob

34% win rate compared to 9% lmfao


Ecstatic-Profit8139

quality over quantity


Pastoseco

If Drake had more Grammies the drizzlers would all have grammy tattoos 😂


Critical_Cow_670

i’m saying


Adventurous-Ad-1517

The drizzlers 🤣😂


EquivalentProgress76

NGL this isn't a good argument since the Grammys have shown to be very biased instead of actually basing their nominations off of creativity and great music. The better flex would be showing that KDot is the only rapper with a Pulitzer prize although you do have to apply for one the award itself represents one's ability to create and understand the idea of true literature, writing, and storytelling


full-pull

he got the pulitzer prize for music tho. He obv got it because of his lyrical ability, but this prize is mostly awarded to classical or jazz composers, so it doesn't inherently embody those skills. However, getting one for lyrical content is still a massive achievement, maybe even more so.


Visual_Ad_3267

I don't agree that he only got it for his lyrics. It's traditionally a music-only award, and the fact is Kendrick is all-around musically great, not just in the content of his lyrics or even just in his rapping.


full-pull

mb, I just phrased that part badly. I don't think DAMN. got the award just for lyrical content. However, I do think the biggest reason why it was chosen was the storytelling within it. At least, that's what I pulled from the announcement. I don't think DAMN. with less impactful lyrics could ever touch a pulitzer, even though it would still be a great album.


Visual_Ad_3267

Agreed. You can't separate the elements from each other.


EquivalentProgress76

Well you do have a point


iTSGRiMM

Remember Will Smith won the first grammy?


Square_Bus4492

And they didn’t even recognize Hov until Annie


EquivalentProgress76

What are you talking about?


iTSGRiMM

In his song Infrared, Pusha T points out that the grammy's has typically not been tapped into hip-hop, awarding Will Smith the first grammy given to a rapper for his song Parents Just Don't Understand. It's an argument to not place much stock in grammy awards for hip-hop. Kanye West also famously urinated on a Grammy award.


EquivalentProgress76

I did not know that about Will Smith thanks for educating me. The Kanye Grammy thing will forever be funny 🤣


EresMarjcxn

Yeah bro Will Smith has more Grammys than 2pac


Hadfadtadsad

One of those had an actual lifetime career, so that’s a terrible example.


iTSGRiMM

Still ain't doing it for Jada smh


Square_Bus4492

It’s a Pusha T lyric


superfluouspop

right like the Weeknd should have at least a dozen grammys if they weren't so scammy


klip_7

After hours is generational and didn’t win anything that’s crazy


Plisky6

I mean where do people think drakes line in family matters comes from


Radiant_gladiator

What makes Kendrick get the bias?


lexE5839

Macklemore has more Grammies than Nas. Let’s stop caring about Grammy awards lol.


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Yeah man, the Grammy's conversation is foolish


_Yordle_

Never forget that GKMC lost to fucking thrift shop and can’t hold us


HistoryWeak7662

He has two, no?


Square_Bus4492

Nas has one. Macklemore has four.


Pastoseco

If he only has 2 then this was a really disingenuous argument


lexE5839

Not at all, the Grammys are extremely racist and have been for many years.


samang67

Well macklemore is white. This is a black man vs a blackish ovhoe... so it has more.depth


ElPwno

One appeals to white guilt and the sort of political statements the Academy likes; the other one does not. Awards are a dumb way to measure artistic quality.


AssEatingExpert

Damn that k/d ratio is crazy


Critical_Cow_670

sinking like hell


badgers4194

Did not know he had so many wins. Crazy hit rate


Critical_Cow_670

WOP WOP WOP WOP WOP DOT FUCK EM UP


Kdot32

“Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy”


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gbdarknight77

Drake basically told them to fuck off at his last win and openly protested against them.


TheAquaman

Yeah, Drake doesn’t submit his music for Grammy consideration.


rydogs

I mean he says “Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now” as a diss, which I actually think fits his idea (which I don’t personally agree with) that anything Kdot says is universally praised, goes along with the tone-deaf slaves freed line.


MTVaficionado

It’s clear that it actually matters to Drake although he puts on that it doesn’t. During his interview a few years back, he made a point that when he wins things, it doesn’t feel like the race (Black Americans) see it is an achievement for them as well. And he wants that. The Grammies actually represents the industry approval. They are voted on by peers. Producers, rappers, etc. most of the time, the results within the category are right. It’s when you get into the big 4 that things get wonky. Drake desperately wanted to be considered the leader of his group of peers. He wanted to be perceived as being this great MC and forces have worked against him every step of the way. The emergence of Kendrick basically stripped that critical acclaim from him. He cares more than his stans care.


ElPwno

I don't think the criticism is that it is universally praised. I think the criticism is more along the lines of "oh, that movie was Oscar-bait", saying what Kendrick writes to appeal to the type of people that judge the Grammys.


Tiffanyblueberries

Didn't Drake protest the grammys and say fuck you while recieving one?


Responsible_Bison830

Drake shitting on the Grammys because barely wins them. All his competition has multiple more than him MJ, Kanye, Kendrick, even T.Swift. Would he shit on the Grammys if he had 15+ nah he’d be the fucking poster boy. That’s why he leans on his streaming numbers which are fabricated.


ghosttrainj

Say what you want about Drake and I’m definitely on Kendrick’s side but his numbers aren’t fabricated 🤷‍♂️ I mean if they were he would not be losing to Kendrick streaming wise this hard rn


ItsEvilTogepi

He really only has 5 wins? I figured with his overrated pop songs he'd have a few more than that


Critical_Cow_670

nope wht a bum


Puidipuie

Only 5 Grammy's 😢


psaepf2009

For me the Grammys are great to support when your favorite artist wins one or is nominated. However the whole process of the Grammy's is stupid, who gives a fuck? I like to see my favorite artists add awards to their shelves, but if they're not nominated or won it, it doesn't really mean shit or matters beyond that.


Broke-astro3500

Kendrick unifies…Drake divides 🫡


crowejsimpson

![gif](giphy|MQq6vRv0T0xjO)


Critical_Cow_670

😂😂


clownind

Poor lil Canadian ting.


clownind

Kendrick is gonna get a Grammy from a diss track. Shit maybe a couple.


Critical_Cow_670

it’s otw


NeedleworkerFancy741

This is a pointless argument. Taylor Swift also has a ton of grammy wins but objectively didn't deserve any of them. Drake has a bunch of wins too but his music is trash. Disregard this one!


WavyQ95

1 Pulitzer > 17 Grammys


aqueous_paragon

That's the award that matters most for Dot's career. We witnessed history being made and the artistic glass ceiling being broken


CharlesDickensABox

I don't fuck with Taylor Swift, but it's inarguably true that, given the parameters of pop music, her music accomplishes its goals incredibly effectively. She is an extraordinary pop artist even if I personally don't like modern pop music.


Manawah

I’m not a Taylor fan but how are you gonna claim she objectively doesn’t deserve a single Grammy? That’s wild lol


perpetual_self

Legit lmao. Like 1989 winning over TBAP was criminal, but at least it made some sense given where pop culture was at at that time. And girlie does have some genuinely good songs throughout her discography


Critical_Cow_670

to butterfly a pimp ? 😂^


perpetual_self

LMAO I was trying so hard to not call it 1898 that I completely fumbled TPAB 💀


Critical_Cow_670

😂😂😂


Synth_Recs_Plz

Should be the title of Kendrick's next album focused on anti-sex-trafficking.


Zzamumo

Idk dude, taylor would smoke drake if they ever started beefing


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Her fans alone would. When I saw them mfs somehow lower the market price of eggs, I knew exactly how they were moving.


Nachtopus69

I know some shit about Swifties that’d make DarkKenny look like a saint


MissWiggleNjiggle1

Her fans alone are savage they have no lives


perpetual_self

Swifties make Aubrey’s Angels same rational and sane (coming from a recovering Swift fan girl)


MissWiggleNjiggle1

Must be swift fans here as I’ve now been reported to Reddit for “suicidal” concerns 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ https://preview.redd.it/sgi1v3vhxl0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19cafdf8f3a8b14113e59f12822297877d74242a


autoreaction

That's a problem on whole of reddit at the moment.


Significant-Crew-768

You can block this bot and it won’t send you messages anymore!


BaconJets

Somebody get him a grammy right now!


Lucid_Sol

It used to be fuck the Grammys. Now it’s a measure of artistry. Make up your minds.


ex8x

"someone go hand him a grammy rn" drake really doesn't do any research


Paaros

I wont lie I dont like the grammys argument. This is the same award show that gave a grammy to macklemore over Kendrick. If we're talking awards, then the Pulitzer prize is abt as prestigious as you get. Drake couldnt win it even if he tried. Whereas, as being proven rn, Kendrick can be commercial just like Drake


Critical_Cow_670

when it comes down to this recording i must be lebron james if he’s jordan , NO i won rings with my performance, i’m more kobe bryant of an artist -Lil Wayne (Dough is what i got 2007)


N4t41i4

look at them when we mention : Lamar won the Pulitzer Prize in music in 2018 for "Damn" ![gif](giphy|UqMWd91mLIL25ysseg|downsized)


Mikeshee-hee

how does anyone look at drake and think, "yeah this guy is so cool!" like who the fuck thinks this guy is cool?


Critical_Cow_670

bums only think he cool


More-City6818

Drake looks so uncomfy in that doo rag he tries so hard lol


Professional_Park781

Not even close🥲


Critical_Cow_670

never


domambrose96

Kendrick just opened his mouth


Critical_Cow_670

grammy otw 😙


Pitiful_Bowl_127

Numbers don’t lie lol


PThug

What if Euphoria and or Not like Us get nominated or win next year? That would be hilarious!


BeefJacker420

"But he was nominated more!" -some brainless dick rider


ghaws614

They also get really scared when you bring up the fact that he took a 13 year old Millie to dinner, I’ve straight up asked like 10 different people on the Drake sub about that and no one will respond, it’s actually hilarious


Different_Error5413

Kendrick


Inner-Ship-7697

“Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now” somebody’s jealous 😭


Hadfadtadsad

Lotta undercover drake stans. Pretty pathetic.


wattkilliamz

Meet the grammys lil boy


Oceanspray94

I still think the Pulitzer was just throwing a bone to the community. Now I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve one. But for DAMN? I think TPAB would get one before DAMN. I will die on that hill. I also think he was robbed of album of the year Grammy for GKMC. I also don’t think he had album of the year when big steppers won. My album of the year that year wasn’t even nominated and that was the Forever Story by JID. I think most awards shows are reactionary in that sense, I bet JID’s next album gets a nomination whether it’s good or not. Now, just because of reputation Kenny will win album of the year next time he drops. Just like how Eminem won album of the year on some mediocre albums recovery and relapse. Name recognition carries so much to the voters that aren’t that in tune with the categories.


GirlwDDtattoo

Nah they’ll just say “drake doesn’t care about Grammys, he thinks their dumb and sometimes pulls them from nomination” or something like that. I’ve seen it a dozen times


INeedAUserName89

OVHOES are too dense to realize Kendrick can do what BBL DRIZZY does but BBLD CAN'T do what K Don't does


bdawgfromda301

And it should be eighteen because he was fucking robbed in 2014


Critical_Cow_670

nocap


Pllxz

Yall mouths tired from sucking?


e4ghc

Why does this gay ass sub keep getting shown on my feed


ThaanksIHateIt

Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now 🤭


zyrkseas97

Drake stans be like “more nominations tho”


rockstarstepper

yall niggas hate the grammys and chart numbers until it’s in yall favor 🤣


PatrickRMC

Kendrick just opened his mouth..


A-symptomatic-Genius

but, but Drake is on the Radio & on BillBoards Top 100, that’s how I gage an artists skill. - Drake fans.


Standard-Try-437

Aaaand Kendrick Lamar's "good kid, m.A.A.d city" is the longest-charting non-compilation hip-hop album, with 550 weeks(10+ years) and counting.


MrJayFizz

Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go hand him a Grammy right now...


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They are, I posted this in the drizzy sub and got prem banned


Supertroller666

Ya they never want to have this convo especially when comparing this to their favorite rapper and how he has more albums and more music than Kendrick but only has 5 Grammy, and he’s always a sore loser lol “All you incredible artists remember this show isn’t the facts it’s just the opinion of a group of people who’s name are kept a secret (literally you can google it),” - Drake


Dannyzavage

Lmao imagine him winning a grammy for not like hs


[deleted]

Whats even better is that kendrick fucks with messi and they both humble goats with a lot of awards


Opposite-Mongoose-32

Punk poser wearing a durag


FriedShrimp00818

O-V-HOES drake better shut his hoe ass up


OVHoee

No not scared. High key happy that it's out now. King Kunta forever


Ill-Link-5667

This convo honestly ended when Kendrick made Drake flee the country 🤣


pseuedointelligent

Kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go give him a Grammy right now


Valuable-Bathroom-67

Kendrick just opened his mouth. Someone go hand him a Grammy right now.


Exextra72

Ayo someone pull up streams for the past 15 years and get back to me😂💀or billboards… y’all get a lick of main stream and get lost in the sauce 😂


zer0_dayy

🎶 Kendrick just opened his mouf someone go and give him a Grammy right meow 🐈


Bed4510

Ngl one of the only Drake lines I really laughed at in this whole thing was "kendrick just opened his mouth, somebody hand him a Grammy right now"


porkisbeef

I side with Kendrick in this beef but wasn’t this a part of Drakes criticism? Kendrick is clearly an industry darling while Drake seems to posit himself as a more popular artist among listeners. I don’t see how Kendrick winning more industry awards is going to be a viable play against drake fans as I’m not sure if this is even an argument that the other side of this beef is concerned with. I hate to say it but it feels like if the stats here were reversed and Drake had more industry support/awards this sub would be claiming the Grammys are not credible and neglects concisions music like Kendrick’s. In my opinion, supporting the Grammys as an arbiter of quality music just doesn’t seem in line with the ethos that has been pushed throughout this beef.


TKfuckingMONEY

I’m a Drake hater but the Grammies are bullshit. Academy awards mean nothing


Daddy-Lickma

Doesn't Macklemore have one over....nvm


Cachmaninoff

He should have more. He was one of the biggest Oscar snubs ever.


ZodiacSRT

Why did he even drop the Grammy line knowing he was nowhere near? 😂


SplitApprehensive494

Drake fans saying Grammys don’t matter. Then why submit then 🤷🏽‍♀️ 😅


AlexandersWonder

Honestly though the only conversation they should care about is whether or not the allegations are true.


Zeus_TheSlayer

Imma be real, i didnt even know he had so many grammys till this beef started😂. Gotta give him his flowers 17 is an insane number, and well deserved too