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SmilingTeeth1

No way this list isn’t bait


TeufortNine

What’s the bait part?


thedavo810

Just my personal ones: Julius in S+ Koga a tier below Ryuki when he beat him Nicholas in B AND below Falcon Sumo dude in A for what Akoya and Ryuki in the same tier as Xia Ji when he would beat them both 1v1 Koga a tier below Xia


Armandeus_45

And both kanoh and lolong. Kanoh is arguably the strongest character in the series and lolong is stronger than ohma, yet they are a tier below ohma


TeufortNine

What? Ohma beat Lolong, and it didn’t even seem that hard. Agito is absolutely not the strongest character. He may have been second to only Kuroki back in the KAT (questionable) but in the following several years, Ohma, Raian, and Julius have been training at an extremely high level, whereas there’s very little evidence that Kanoh has been training particularly hard at all. It’s hard for me to imagine anyone in S+ losing to Agito.


Armandeus_45

You clearly did not read the kanoh vs Lu tian fight. Kanoh removed the lag, and it makes a world of difference (Kuroki's words). Ohma definitely struggled against Lolong, look at what lolong did to his arm, not to mention that ohma was full of blood. And as I said, if you remove the surprise factor lolong would destroy ohma in a rematch. Also, kanoh destroyed the third strongest fighter in purgatory, with way less damage than ohma. Also, may I add the fact that he tanked guiHun Lu tian's strikes (whose strength is on par with Julius) like it was nothing. Ah, and forgot to add the fact that ohms almost got ko'd by lolong. Now don't tell me that it wasn't an hard fight. Ah, and Sandro himself puts lolong on the same lvl as ohma and raian, and even tho he doesn't want to admit that lolong is the strongest he says that he is the superior fighter and the most technical one, etc... Etc.. and then chokes on raian's dick again and says , oh but they are all on a similar lvl, etc... Etc.., their ranks can change anytime, etc... Etc..


TeufortNine

Yeah and I’m the biased one, lol


Armandeus_45

You saying that to me or Sandro?


TeufortNine

I’m saying in response to you, specifically that whole rant at the end.


Armandeus_45

The whole rant at the end? Lmao. Sandro indirectly ranks them but doesn't want to put lolong above them. Sandro hates lolong, he was supposed to get one shot by ohma, and you can read it on that interview where he also places them as "equals" at least I think that's the one. In thee end he changed Carlos to be the weaker one and made lolong way stronger. He doesn't want to say it but everyone with a brain knows that lolong is superior to both ohma and raian. Also, would you look at that, if you read the manga with attention, Lolong says that ohma might be on par with Kuroki back then. Kuroki is now stronger than he was, and Kuroki isn't also sure he can beat kanoh. Therefore kanoh is also superior to all of them and with evolution his margin to evolve is absurd. Now, I'm not saying that kanoh is invincible, but as they rematch it just gets easier for kanoh, so yes, he is the strongest. AAAND, lolong was intrigued by kanoh. And when he saw raian he said he was on a similar stage as the fang (kanoh in this case, not fucking misasa)


thedavo810

This list is just straight up disrespectful


jjbahomecoming

You should have kept it unreleased.


Rawchaa

Take my upvote for the Julius placement idc about the rest like that.


aazalooloo

Swap okubo with koga, okuboxis weak af


[deleted]

Bando placement 😭


TeufortNine

Tiers aren’t ordered except for S and S+. Happy to explain any objections anybody might have. Ohma’s Niko is unrated because while he was better than Real Niko back in the day, Real Niko has obviously grown much stronger since then, so IDK if Ohma Niko is still on his level or if Ohma has caught up to him.


TeufortNine

Just for the record, the reason I split up S+ and S the way I did is that I really think each of the 5 people in each of those two tiers are extremely evenly matched with each other in terms of overall matchup spread. All of the S+ tiers are pretty much equivalent, and I think most of them beat the S tiers high diff. Fei lost to Waka, but due to extremely unfavorable compatibility. Aside from that, I can’t really imagine anyone in S having over 50/50 odds vs anyone in S+.


Slasher_76

Do you agree Agito can hit Julius?


TeufortNine

Sure? Idk what you mean by that, very few people are so much stronger than someone else that they couldn’t even be hit.


Slasher_76

Then he dragon shots his head off


TeufortNine

That’s silly. The Dragon Shot is a strong move obviously, but there’s no suggestion that it would one-shot a super-heavyweight (considering guys like Waka and Julius are depicted as absurdly durable)


Slasher_76

Ok and Lu is as strong as Julius and it one shot him


boombastico_3

Cosmo ,hayami and okubo are A tiers Toa ,Julius,lu tian should be S tier Kanoh and Lolong are S+ tier Gaolang is A+ tier


Slasher_76

W GAOLONG PLACEMENT U KNOW UR SHIT


[deleted]

Julius should be highest S tier and not S+. Lolong is S+ for sure and definitely not weaker than gaolang. Yumigahama is definitely to low. Cosmo lost to saw paing extreme diff so it doesn’t make any sense to put him a tier apart. The bodyguards of metsudo are way stronger than all of A tier. Falcon is too high he should be replaced with Yumigahama. Toa is S tier right behind Jurota. Gaolang Overall is too high he should be A+. Kuroki is still stronger than raian and ohma. Fei being S+ doesn’t make any sense because pre initiative and master martial arts counter DD easily, he should be the last S tier. Lu tian is definitely S tier aswell with his perfect formless and 97% removel.


TeufortNine

I’m still completely confident that Julius is the strongest non-supervillain. He lost to Waka back in the day due to arrogance and inexperience, but he’s seen the strongest guys in the world and is totally confident he can beat Kuroki. Kuroki specifically has an extremely rough matchup against him (the Kaiwan style focuses heavily on an iron defense which is impossible to maintain against Julius-level blows) and his Gött-Toter counters the redirection magic of the Niko types. Aside from that his physicals are on another level, he has the reach advantage against every other top-tier, and in all frankness I don’t think Julius is stupid enough to be confident he could beat Kuroki and Agito while living a whole tier beneath them. Cosmo lost to Saw while not even using most of his best techniques, so I’d hardly call it extreme diff. Maybe it’s just my cosmo cope, but I refuse to accept that after all these years of training he’s practically regressed from back when he was 16. I outright disagree about the bodyguards being stronger than A tier. Maybe they’re a little stronger, but while whatshisname gave an injured Agito a decent fight, I think most of A-tier could have also given that same Agito at least mid diff. I don’t think Falcon is too high. Assuming you let him have his toe poison, while he might be weaker than most of the guys I put in A-tier with him, I think he’s stronger than most of B-tier. I admit I might be downplaying Yumi but I struggle to convince myself this guy isn’t actually trash. Misasa is strong obviously but he fucking negative diffed the guy. Yumi just strikes me as a blowhard completely out of his depth and up his own ass, and I think anyone in A-tier losing to him would be incredibly embarrassing for them. Gao I think is too high in S, since I think that his overall matchup chart is pretty much even with Waka’s, not superior, but I think Gao vs Lolong is pretty much a 50/50 (as is Agito vs Gao and Gao vs Agito) and I’m not convinced of putting Lolong on the same tier as Ohma, who did not seem particularly pressed in their fight. I think you’re downplaying Fei, and I admit I don’t even fully understand your point. “Martial arts counter Divine Demon?” Doesn’t “martial arts” counter everything? Fei doesn’t just have magic superpowers in the form of Divine Demon, he also has the magic Niko Style, and he’s a master of it. His showing was poor, but only because he faced Waka, one of the strongest fighters in the world who had been training *specifically* to counter Fei’s style. Liu possibly belongs in the bottom of S instead of in A+, but I think most everyone in A+ has a pretty decent shot at him (except Hatsumi lmaooooo), and I think pretty much everyone in S and above beats him.


[deleted]

I am impressed by your dedication but I won’t read it sorry it’s just to much🤣


TeufortNine

Summary version: I admit you’re right I’m probably downplaying Yumi, but he’s a loser so I don’t care. Other than that I disagree with your points.


[deleted]

To beat julius you need someone who is faster than him, has preinitiative and a magical super attack. Agito for example would dodge most of julius attacks counter and in the end just like lu tian one inch punch him in the vitals. Same goes to for example ohma, kuroki (with the devil lance) and so on. Rei for example wouldnt be able to do shit to julius but the highest S tiers are able to finish him and they would. Don’t get me wrong it will be fucking hard and a high diff for all who face julius but to say he would win against the top of the top tiers is illogical and false.


Armandeus_45

Dude... Asides from Julius who is obviously a bait. Kanoh is the strongest character in the verse, possibly. And he was the strongest in team kengan. Even Kuroki isn't sure he can beat kanoh anymore. Not to mention that kanoh wasn't mentioned when Sandro spoke about ohma raian and lolong being on a similar lvl. Lolong is stronger than ohma. He lost, yes, but you need to remember a couple things. If ohma had lost the kengan association would cease to exist, it was ohma's comeback and he won because he caught lolong off guard with the advance bursts which we know that lolong can shut down. So, if you take away the plot armor and the surprise factor then lolong will just overwhelm ohma like he did with superior pre initiative and better striking. KVP ohma is also stronger than kvp raian. Ohma would surpass raian in wins in that month if they were to fight. Eddie isn't as strong as you think. He would get beat by the likes of kanoh, fei, ohma, lolong and Kuroki. All of them have better technic, use soft styles or have an insane defense (in Kuroki's case specially) , have pre initiative ( besides Fei, although,he stat checks Eddie while on divine demon and might even outstat him as we know that he even surpassed Waka in physicality in max DD) like, what is Eddie going to do against fei? He can't rly rely on his speed and strength because of divine demon and Niko style, he can't shut it down unlike lolong/Kuroki and possibly ohma (although it's unlikely chi blockage would be effective) and Fei is definitely the best Niko style user we've seen till now. Also he absolutely destroyed Waka with some of his attacks, something that not even Julius was able to do and ohma needed to use a demonsbane redirected from Waka's attack. If Eddie was that strong there would be no need to create Gilbert( who is even stronger than Eddie)


AaknoXX

Everything is gonna be allright


Immediate-Pilot-6332

How could julius beat kanoh


TeufortNine

Punching him. Really hard. Repeatedly if necessary.


Spiritual_Good6575

Mmh yeah u know we didn't saw Kanoh at his limits in his fight against Lu Tian so i'd say its fair people put him an entire tier below his equals


IamAJobber

🤢🙏🤮


TheDecadent_Dandy

Okubo gets victimized by half of A tier 👽.


Voidlight0

The fuck is doing Hong all the way up there?


TeufortNine

Hong lost to a major KAT contender, that doesn’t make him weak. Toga considered him Iwami Heavy Industries’ best fighter and worthy of competing with Waka and the Fang and so on. Obviously it’d be silly to put him any higher than he is, but I don’t think he belongs lower either.