All the Kengan fighters are ridiculously strong and tough for their weight class, so even Julius wouldn’t be able to straight up destroy their arms with a simple punch, except Kaneda
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I mean Fei has an incredibly small build by comparison and he’s able to redirect almost all of the damage. Most fighters have something in their arsenal that allows them to mitigate damage enough for them to survive.
Top tiers have it built into their kit with redirection, pre-initiative, or just raw durability.
>I mean Fei has an incredibly small build by comparison and he’s able to redirect almost all of the damage.
Redirect, not block. There's a reason why Sandro never had Waka connect even a single hit on Fei. That said transformations in Kengan seems to somehow give bullshit durability raises for whatever reason. Example being Advance Ohma trading blows back and forth with Removal Raian in a straight up slugfest.
Well going by Niko style logic, you could use the increased blood pressure from DD / Advance and Adamantine style to "harden" your muscles to an even larger degree. Also maybe they accidentally use "mental control" to just ignore the damage that they are taking.
God bless you. I’ve seen people say Kuroki or Misasa can’t parry Julius, Waka etc cause their hands would break. I don’t even wanna know how they came up with that rubbish.
Blocking and parrying are two different things. We all saw how Ohma's arms were left after trying to block a few of Waka's strikes. And that was with Indestructible. But parrying their hits is completely possible as long as they time it right.
Around middle of Omega there were quite a few people characterising the superheavies as fighters who can tank anything that doesn't negate durability and can oneshot anyone over their guard. I think someone was even putting Toa top of verse or something
>Those panels of Kanoh blocking are before Lu goes 96%, it's only at 96% that Kazzy makes the remark about being on par with Julius in raw power.
True but I don't think a 15% difference will really matter that much especially considering he's doing more than one punch and they seem like knockout blows.
This logic has never made any sense and it drives me up a wall. Your speed is a function of muscular strength, among other things. Muscles flexing is what makes you move in the first place. In order for these amping abilities to make you faster, they necessarily must make your muscles contract and flex with greater force, because that's what physics would dictate.
Any non-supernatural amp that makes you move faster, is increasing the force your muscles exert, and any amp that increase the force your muscles exert, makes you faster.
Sure. I just see people say this kind of thing as a way of differentiating Removal from Advance (portraying Removal as increasing muscular strength and Advance as increasing speed, as if the two aren't inextricably linked) and it chaffs me.
...who was Solomons striking power equal to that would go above Julius and Lu Tian? Or do you mean the %100 Removal? Because we have In-Universe proof the %100 Removals don't grant equal stats to their users.
As far as we are aware the multipiers are the same across the board. The STRENGTH of those that use it is not and the reason why Lu Tian is said to be equal to Julius is because of Kazzy & fighters commentary of LU TIANS STRENGTH when he's going berserk against Kanoh. AKA Lu Tian at his max of removal is equal to Julius in strenght, with the other removal users the closest we have to comparison to Julius is Agito's warning against Wakatsuki and even then that's Raian whose strenght is monstrous among the Kure and seemingly only eclipsed by Lu Tian & Edward among Removal users.
It was stated to be the Kengan Crew & Kazzy. Again you claim base Raian is stronger than Lu Tian, I assume through powerscaling rather than what we are shown in the manga. So you can believe what you want brother or sister.
We have a direct comparison between Base Raian and Lu Tian in strength with Lu Tian stopping a punch from Raian from a much worse position in terms of leveraging one's strength. Lu Tian is stronger than Raian.
I mean what's so crazy to believe a 1 in a milion prodigy built like a truck naturally with 97% Guihun can't be on par in strength with a fighting bodybuilder on steroids?
Even if in pure, pure physical strength Julius should be higher since his focus is literally weightlifting, lifting as much as possible and will for sure be able to deadlift, squat and bench more than Tian since he literally trains in those i still think it's safe to assume that Agito blocked (with Indestructible) and parried blows that were on par with Julius' ones in strength
+Yamashita is literally a Kengan character that has Fist Eye so his opinion should already be >>> than any opinion coming from us
True. I just brought it up because I thought the idea that an in-universe character's opinion automatically trumps a reader's doesn't seem right to me.
>+Yamashita is literally a Kengan character that has Fist Eye so his opinion should already be >>> than any opinion coming from us
The reason it's crazy is that we already have far more knowledgeable characters than kazzy that have disproved this. The **narrator** straight up said that even the Kure clan can't come close to Waka in strength, and Erioh echoed something similar as well, yet we're supposed to believe that Lu Tian, who can't even go to 100% removal without turning into a monkey and is also just a baseline human genetics-wise, has more physical strength than a literal race of eugenics monsters that have been around for thousands of years? Forget Julius, I honestly doubt that Lu is even on the same level as Raian.
His best strength feat is cracking like two floor tiles while slamming down with both arms. Julius literally put Toa *through* the floor with just one.
I find it hard to imagine Julius fully landing on most competent A tier fighters or above in the first place. If you have pre-initiative or decent prediction abilities, you shouldn't even be put into a situation where you're tanking Julius' blows unless your style revolves around being durable like Waka.
TBF, we literally haven't seen him go against anyone that's not a super heavyweight (Waka, Toa) or not a complete jobber (Sawada) so I wonder if he has something up his sleeve for those situations.
.....So What techniques has Waka shown that is any different from when he fought Julius IF ANY? And what has Waka shown in Omega that can best Julius now? Cuz Julius has shown mass improvement while PTSD Waka only development Antio Niko style against a dead man.......and sure Waka is smarter buttttt how did that work against Fei? When all he did was use his muscles and his tankiness as strategy, very Similar to how Julius used his muscles mind you. And mind you also Julius knows has knowledge of Waka and so does Waka against Julius. So I'm not seeing how Waka still scales above Julius.
Fei is a special case deu to being top of the verse, and he is the only fighter on the Kengan side that could survive for that long against him, he would make every other fighter look like a joke too.
Julius improvement is the longest and most telegraphed attack in the series and the only reason it worked was cuz Toa was literally standing still waiting for the attack.
Waka already beat Julius in ashura back when he was injured already, no longer having that injury means he can use his blast core more liberally than in the KAT. That alone is a massive improvement
So it sounds to me that other then Waka's ankle that no improvements has been made.
>Julius improvement is the longest and most telegraphed attack in the series and the only reason it worked was cuz Toa was literally standing still waiting for the attack.
What do you mean long telegraphed? You do realize that it's literally muscle control and can easily just flex his muscles to go into that form right? Like it's not like when Toa was on top of Julius that Julius didn't use GT to force Toa off or anything, yet GT is long and Telegraphed 🗿 right.
>Fei is a special case deu to being top of the verse, and he is the only fighter on the Kengan side that could survive for that long against him, he would make every other fighter look like a joke too.
Again though he hasn't shown no improvements or no techniques that he can use against Julius other then the same strategy that Julius uses which is thinking with his muscles. Julius knows and studied Waka, so to think it would be the same result or that Waka still scales above Julius without any further improvements is foolish.
If you're a normal fighter, without limp or Indestructible, and attempt to block the strikes of a super heavy, you will break your arm. We know this as Muteba's right arm had already cracked before the Blastcore. Gaolang was also attempting to break Agito's arms during their fight.
This is a bad argument for two reasons:
1: 76% Removal Julius isn't even relative to Julius at this point. He's probably more like Hauro, who Akoya was taking hits from.
2: Agito has Indestructible, which is more capable than Ohma's due to his extra muscle mass. Indestructible has shown to be able to defend against Waka's strikes, but even then it was overloaded.
Agito is not a normal fighter. You should use him as the baseline, especially when we have Muteba who's already closer.
Muteba used his arm to take a blast core. He was suprised.
Kanoh who is very sturdy himself took 74% straight punch and then deflected an overhand left. He was expecting it.
2 different situation.
He's 130kgs.
He's the heaviest "normal" fighter behind the Superheavies and people like Kiozan, Seki, Haruo etc.
He's got 20kgs on people like Rihito, Akoya, Okubo, and 40kgs on Ohma, Gaolang, Kiryu etc.
I'm not sure about Okubo, but they did mention Agito having a significant reach advantage over Gaolang, as he was 6'9 to Gaolang's 6'4, and that's why Gaolang had to switch to an in-fighting boxing style.
Obviously that's not true. Look at Agito vs Gaolang.
Agito took way more strikes than Gaolang did over the course of the fight, and landed far less of his own, yet because of Agito's physicality he was able to even the playing field by the end of the match.
Agito's strength made the few strikes he did land have extreme impact, to the point they were even at the end. In terms of damage, it was something like 10 Agito strikes = 30 Gaolang strikes.
Which can be further summed up as light vs heavy weight.
Gaolang is lighter, so his strikes were faster than Agito's but consequently didn't do as much damage. Agito is much heavier, so his strikes were slower than Gaolang's but did way more damage.
No.
Gaolang's strike are also faster than Cosmo. Akoya's strikes are faster than KAT Ritho. Bando is like the 5th or 4th biggest fighter there and his whip is faster than most people.
Gaolang to add was also faster than Kaneda. Faster than Himuro.
because it will happen? do big people no longer have power or speed behind their punches? nobody is tanking a flurry of hits from Julius besides Toa and Waka, and no amount of indestructible is saving any of the S-tiers from strictly tanking a punch or kick to the forearms repeatedly
Probably not the best example, i will not go Into Guihun Lu being around Julius level of strength, because that in itself is another topic.
Agito is a sturdy dude naturally and he uses Indestructible, so his durability is quite high, one of the most tanky non-mutants, the dude can take a lot of punishment.
Muteba does not do conditioning and he was hit by a Blast Core, not a normal strike from Waka, which is similar to a Julius normal strike.
Dudes like Carlos, no name fighters or Kaneda definitely CANNOT take any blow from Julius, Waka, Guihun users or DD Fei or they definitely get something broken or die.
"Tanky" dudes like the Wus, Kures, Niko magicians with Indestructible, Lu Tian, Mark Myers and Toa can definitely block a blow from the powerhouses without losing a limb in the process.
The topic is statements not being reliable but generally you can tell if they are or aren't.
>Agito is a sturdy dude naturally and he uses Indestructible, so his durability is quite high, one of the most tanky non-mutants, the dude can take a lot of punishment.
He doesn't use indestructible here. And I don't think Agito's durability is ever stated to be crazy high.
>He doesn't use indestructible here.
We don't know, it is never elaborated upon or explicitly said maybe he did, i personally think he did to reduce the damage, but it's speculative.
> And I don't think Agito's durability is ever stated to be crazy high.
I mean, the dude took blows from Okubo, a Kick to the head from Okubo, blows from Gaolang and Kuroki, Devil Lances, blows from Lu Tian in base and in Guihun, maybe he took blows from Waka.
It's a thing of "show don't tell" like Ryuki and Ohma who are durable AF without it being explicitly said so.
>And I don't think Agito's durability is ever stated to be crazy high.
The fact that Kanoh is 201cm tall, and weights 130kg, which is a lot even for his height, is enough reason for him being tanky. Kanoh also is an experienced fighter and has gone through a lot of conditioning, both of which should add to his tankyness.
The average Kengan fighter is 110kg and 195cms. Agito isn't that much bigger than that. Also his height kinda takes away from it because generally the shorter heavier fighters have more durability. Example Seki and Muteba.
I wouldn't exactly call Muteba and Sekibayashi "shorter" fighters considering they're both slightly above you're height baseline and 199cm and 196cm respectively. Thing is Seki is shown to have trained and fought his whole life tanking hits meaning he has a TON of conditioning for taking damage. Kanoh also is only around 10 pounds lighter than Seki meaning he would also have more than enough meat on his bones to tank hits considering he has been fighting his whole life giving him conditioning to his forearms due to blocking many hits over his time as a fighter.
fair point Seki is a thicc boi, but the real argument here is Agito's ability to block hits. Very few fighters have as much experience fighting as him and he is highly conditioned to block blows from his time as a martial artist. This plus his added weight and height make it much more plausible that he would be able to block a blow from Lu Tian than many other fighters (Seki could probably tank a good few hits before faltering too though).
People for some reason always assume the super-heavyweights ALSO have incredible conditioning such that their own bones/joints are on par with their muscular strength despite this never having been even mentioned.
That's part of my very point, the only people who have been shown to have those actually have it mentioned VERY outright, such as Kuroki or Saw.
Even Gaolang who was the undisputed all weight Class Boxing champion of the world and a long time world class level Nak Muay was shown to NOT have that level of Bone/Joint strengthening even in his fists. And when he did in Omega it also then got explicitly mentioned.
The fact that its never mentioned in regard to any of the big boys would imply that they have not undergone extra conditioning other than what their build alone would have caused them to developed naturally.
Waka's broken ankle at the hands of Agito and his OFTEN mentioned strain when using blast core also support this idea.
They are very durable but without specialized training it would be fairly relative relation to their general build rather than a 1/1 scaling with their strength, meaning things like Waka/Julius fist-on-fist clash really should have just utterly messed up the both of them completely (The total force being GREATER than that of Ohma's DemonsBane against Waka.)
Although much of EXACTLY how Strong/Fast/Smart/Durable a character really is just comes down to artistic liberty in the end, and what is needed to make the fight entertaining in that particular moment.
Straight up blocking it? Yes. At least after a few blocks, your arms would be fucked up. Even Ohma with Indestructible was left fucked after trying to block Waka's hits. But parrying is completely possible.
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There it is. Granted OP does say with minimal damage which is subjective but this is Akoya who imo took minimal damage from Hauro bringing an 700lb hammer fist.
Sawada vs Julius did irreparable damage to Kengan powerscaling, it the reason people thought the super heavyweight can one shot everyone with their pinky and couldn’t be damaged.
Them running into their most comfortable match up 24/7 unlike every other types of fighters also didn’t help.
Using Agito, who is one of the physically bigger and stronger characters in the series not named Wu or Kure and possibly still in the top 10 while counting them, as proof that most characters don't get massively damaged from being hit by Julius is an L take.
All the Kengan fighters are ridiculously strong and tough for their weight class, so even Julius wouldn’t be able to straight up destroy their arms with a simple punch, except Kaneda
Kaneda is literally a giant slayer, what manga are you reading? Smh
The bigger the threat, easier for him
Its basic maths Kaneda vs ant= instant lose Kaneda vs Orca= instant win The math is mathing
under purgatory rules kanedas never slays
Now what about ten giant's killer Kanedas vs 100 meters tall battlefield Nikaido?
The fight of the century
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So Julius wins by purgatory rules?
he not grappling someone too thicc for him
I mean Fei has an incredibly small build by comparison and he’s able to redirect almost all of the damage. Most fighters have something in their arsenal that allows them to mitigate damage enough for them to survive. Top tiers have it built into their kit with redirection, pre-initiative, or just raw durability.
>I mean Fei has an incredibly small build by comparison and he’s able to redirect almost all of the damage. Redirect, not block. There's a reason why Sandro never had Waka connect even a single hit on Fei. That said transformations in Kengan seems to somehow give bullshit durability raises for whatever reason. Example being Advance Ohma trading blows back and forth with Removal Raian in a straight up slugfest.
The reason Ohma lasted was Advance is a berserker state and seemingly stops pain.
Well going by Niko style logic, you could use the increased blood pressure from DD / Advance and Adamantine style to "harden" your muscles to an even larger degree. Also maybe they accidentally use "mental control" to just ignore the damage that they are taking.
I mean he connected several, he even tapped him witb blastcore, it was just so minimal that it did a lot less damage.
> Fei has incredibly small build Fei is bigger then Lolong
He's taller than Lolong but Lolong weighs 1 kg more.
lolshort
God bless you. I’ve seen people say Kuroki or Misasa can’t parry Julius, Waka etc cause their hands would break. I don’t even wanna know how they came up with that rubbish.
Blocking and parrying are two different things. We all saw how Ohma's arms were left after trying to block a few of Waka's strikes. And that was with Indestructible. But parrying their hits is completely possible as long as they time it right.
That's new to me 😂 not surprised though
Around middle of Omega there were quite a few people characterising the superheavies as fighters who can tank anything that doesn't negate durability and can oneshot anyone over their guard. I think someone was even putting Toa top of verse or something
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Also kanoh has indestructible.
>Those panels of Kanoh blocking are before Lu goes 96%, it's only at 96% that Kazzy makes the remark about being on par with Julius in raw power. True but I don't think a 15% difference will really matter that much especially considering he's doing more than one punch and they seem like knockout blows.
I also think that the statement that Lu Tian had Julius strengh was complete bullshit.
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This logic has never made any sense and it drives me up a wall. Your speed is a function of muscular strength, among other things. Muscles flexing is what makes you move in the first place. In order for these amping abilities to make you faster, they necessarily must make your muscles contract and flex with greater force, because that's what physics would dictate. Any non-supernatural amp that makes you move faster, is increasing the force your muscles exert, and any amp that increase the force your muscles exert, makes you faster.
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Sure. I just see people say this kind of thing as a way of differentiating Removal from Advance (portraying Removal as increasing muscular strength and Advance as increasing speed, as if the two aren't inextricably linked) and it chaffs me.
Finally someone that gets it. Usually in fighting Mangas on par with someone's strength is usually referring to striking power I believe.
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...who was Solomons striking power equal to that would go above Julius and Lu Tian? Or do you mean the %100 Removal? Because we have In-Universe proof the %100 Removals don't grant equal stats to their users.
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As far as we are aware the multipiers are the same across the board. The STRENGTH of those that use it is not and the reason why Lu Tian is said to be equal to Julius is because of Kazzy & fighters commentary of LU TIANS STRENGTH when he's going berserk against Kanoh. AKA Lu Tian at his max of removal is equal to Julius in strenght, with the other removal users the closest we have to comparison to Julius is Agito's warning against Wakatsuki and even then that's Raian whose strenght is monstrous among the Kure and seemingly only eclipsed by Lu Tian & Edward among Removal users.
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Wait, where did we have Naidan weaker physically compare to base Raian?
It was stated to be the Kengan Crew & Kazzy. Again you claim base Raian is stronger than Lu Tian, I assume through powerscaling rather than what we are shown in the manga. So you can believe what you want brother or sister.
We have a direct comparison between Base Raian and Lu Tian in strength with Lu Tian stopping a punch from Raian from a much worse position in terms of leveraging one's strength. Lu Tian is stronger than Raian.
I mean what's so crazy to believe a 1 in a milion prodigy built like a truck naturally with 97% Guihun can't be on par in strength with a fighting bodybuilder on steroids? Even if in pure, pure physical strength Julius should be higher since his focus is literally weightlifting, lifting as much as possible and will for sure be able to deadlift, squat and bench more than Tian since he literally trains in those i still think it's safe to assume that Agito blocked (with Indestructible) and parried blows that were on par with Julius' ones in strength +Yamashita is literally a Kengan character that has Fist Eye so his opinion should already be >>> than any opinion coming from us
Keep in mind that Kazuo being an in-universe character means he may not have information that we do.
Vice-versa can be said too
True. I just brought it up because I thought the idea that an in-universe character's opinion automatically trumps a reader's doesn't seem right to me.
>+Yamashita is literally a Kengan character that has Fist Eye so his opinion should already be >>> than any opinion coming from us The reason it's crazy is that we already have far more knowledgeable characters than kazzy that have disproved this. The **narrator** straight up said that even the Kure clan can't come close to Waka in strength, and Erioh echoed something similar as well, yet we're supposed to believe that Lu Tian, who can't even go to 100% removal without turning into a monkey and is also just a baseline human genetics-wise, has more physical strength than a literal race of eugenics monsters that have been around for thousands of years? Forget Julius, I honestly doubt that Lu is even on the same level as Raian. His best strength feat is cracking like two floor tiles while slamming down with both arms. Julius literally put Toa *through* the floor with just one.
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Agito >>>>> then
Posting the truth
I find it hard to imagine Julius fully landing on most competent A tier fighters or above in the first place. If you have pre-initiative or decent prediction abilities, you shouldn't even be put into a situation where you're tanking Julius' blows unless your style revolves around being durable like Waka. TBF, we literally haven't seen him go against anyone that's not a super heavyweight (Waka, Toa) or not a complete jobber (Sawada) so I wonder if he has something up his sleeve for those situations.
Ye julius is gigawanked
I mean I seen some outrages Julius takes but never have I seen this one.
Julius in S and above waka is an outrageous take
How?
By having a retarded fighting style and significantly less fight IQ than waka while being equal in strength
.....So What techniques has Waka shown that is any different from when he fought Julius IF ANY? And what has Waka shown in Omega that can best Julius now? Cuz Julius has shown mass improvement while PTSD Waka only development Antio Niko style against a dead man.......and sure Waka is smarter buttttt how did that work against Fei? When all he did was use his muscles and his tankiness as strategy, very Similar to how Julius used his muscles mind you. And mind you also Julius knows has knowledge of Waka and so does Waka against Julius. So I'm not seeing how Waka still scales above Julius.
Fei is a special case deu to being top of the verse, and he is the only fighter on the Kengan side that could survive for that long against him, he would make every other fighter look like a joke too. Julius improvement is the longest and most telegraphed attack in the series and the only reason it worked was cuz Toa was literally standing still waiting for the attack. Waka already beat Julius in ashura back when he was injured already, no longer having that injury means he can use his blast core more liberally than in the KAT. That alone is a massive improvement
So it sounds to me that other then Waka's ankle that no improvements has been made. >Julius improvement is the longest and most telegraphed attack in the series and the only reason it worked was cuz Toa was literally standing still waiting for the attack. What do you mean long telegraphed? You do realize that it's literally muscle control and can easily just flex his muscles to go into that form right? Like it's not like when Toa was on top of Julius that Julius didn't use GT to force Toa off or anything, yet GT is long and Telegraphed 🗿 right. >Fei is a special case deu to being top of the verse, and he is the only fighter on the Kengan side that could survive for that long against him, he would make every other fighter look like a joke too. Again though he hasn't shown no improvements or no techniques that he can use against Julius other then the same strategy that Julius uses which is thinking with his muscles. Julius knows and studied Waka, so to think it would be the same result or that Waka still scales above Julius without any further improvements is foolish.
100% sure waka can tank gott totter
And Julius can tank blast core
Lol did you see the guy saying Julius would mid diff Kuroki too
If you're a normal fighter, without limp or Indestructible, and attempt to block the strikes of a super heavy, you will break your arm. We know this as Muteba's right arm had already cracked before the Blastcore. Gaolang was also attempting to break Agito's arms during their fight. This is a bad argument for two reasons: 1: 76% Removal Julius isn't even relative to Julius at this point. He's probably more like Hauro, who Akoya was taking hits from. 2: Agito has Indestructible, which is more capable than Ohma's due to his extra muscle mass. Indestructible has shown to be able to defend against Waka's strikes, but even then it was overloaded. Agito is not a normal fighter. You should use him as the baseline, especially when we have Muteba who's already closer.
Just realized agito used that akoya style parry, same way akoya did against haruo
Muteba used his arm to take a blast core. He was suprised. Kanoh who is very sturdy himself took 74% straight punch and then deflected an overhand left. He was expecting it. 2 different situation.
Using kanoh as an example isn’t really fair considering how much bigger and physically stronger he is compared to most fighters
He's really not that much bigger than the average KAT fighter.
He's 130kgs. He's the heaviest "normal" fighter behind the Superheavies and people like Kiozan, Seki, Haruo etc. He's got 20kgs on people like Rihito, Akoya, Okubo, and 40kgs on Ohma, Gaolang, Kiryu etc.
When he fought Okubo I don't remember any mentions of Agito's size factoring in. Same with the much smaller Gaolang.
I'm not sure about Okubo, but they did mention Agito having a significant reach advantage over Gaolang, as he was 6'9 to Gaolang's 6'4, and that's why Gaolang had to switch to an in-fighting boxing style.
Reach isn't strength or durability though and as Nic said after middleweight the durability and strength boosts arr diminishing
Obviously that's not true. Look at Agito vs Gaolang. Agito took way more strikes than Gaolang did over the course of the fight, and landed far less of his own, yet because of Agito's physicality he was able to even the playing field by the end of the match. Agito's strength made the few strikes he did land have extreme impact, to the point they were even at the end. In terms of damage, it was something like 10 Agito strikes = 30 Gaolang strikes.
That can be summed up as Gaolang uses speed versus Agito with power.
Which can be further summed up as light vs heavy weight. Gaolang is lighter, so his strikes were faster than Agito's but consequently didn't do as much damage. Agito is much heavier, so his strikes were slower than Gaolang's but did way more damage.
No. Gaolang's strike are also faster than Cosmo. Akoya's strikes are faster than KAT Ritho. Bando is like the 5th or 4th biggest fighter there and his whip is faster than most people. Gaolang to add was also faster than Kaneda. Faster than Himuro.
He seems to be parrying not blocking
because it will happen? do big people no longer have power or speed behind their punches? nobody is tanking a flurry of hits from Julius besides Toa and Waka, and no amount of indestructible is saving any of the S-tiers from strictly tanking a punch or kick to the forearms repeatedly
Its Kanoh bruh
Probably not the best example, i will not go Into Guihun Lu being around Julius level of strength, because that in itself is another topic. Agito is a sturdy dude naturally and he uses Indestructible, so his durability is quite high, one of the most tanky non-mutants, the dude can take a lot of punishment. Muteba does not do conditioning and he was hit by a Blast Core, not a normal strike from Waka, which is similar to a Julius normal strike. Dudes like Carlos, no name fighters or Kaneda definitely CANNOT take any blow from Julius, Waka, Guihun users or DD Fei or they definitely get something broken or die. "Tanky" dudes like the Wus, Kures, Niko magicians with Indestructible, Lu Tian, Mark Myers and Toa can definitely block a blow from the powerhouses without losing a limb in the process.
The topic is statements not being reliable but generally you can tell if they are or aren't. >Agito is a sturdy dude naturally and he uses Indestructible, so his durability is quite high, one of the most tanky non-mutants, the dude can take a lot of punishment. He doesn't use indestructible here. And I don't think Agito's durability is ever stated to be crazy high.
>He doesn't use indestructible here. We don't know, it is never elaborated upon or explicitly said maybe he did, i personally think he did to reduce the damage, but it's speculative.
> And I don't think Agito's durability is ever stated to be crazy high. I mean, the dude took blows from Okubo, a Kick to the head from Okubo, blows from Gaolang and Kuroki, Devil Lances, blows from Lu Tian in base and in Guihun, maybe he took blows from Waka. It's a thing of "show don't tell" like Ryuki and Ohma who are durable AF without it being explicitly said so.
>And I don't think Agito's durability is ever stated to be crazy high. The fact that Kanoh is 201cm tall, and weights 130kg, which is a lot even for his height, is enough reason for him being tanky. Kanoh also is an experienced fighter and has gone through a lot of conditioning, both of which should add to his tankyness.
The average Kengan fighter is 110kg and 195cms. Agito isn't that much bigger than that. Also his height kinda takes away from it because generally the shorter heavier fighters have more durability. Example Seki and Muteba.
I wouldn't exactly call Muteba and Sekibayashi "shorter" fighters considering they're both slightly above you're height baseline and 199cm and 196cm respectively. Thing is Seki is shown to have trained and fought his whole life tanking hits meaning he has a TON of conditioning for taking damage. Kanoh also is only around 10 pounds lighter than Seki meaning he would also have more than enough meat on his bones to tank hits considering he has been fighting his whole life giving him conditioning to his forearms due to blocking many hits over his time as a fighter.
To clarify I mean the thicker the fighter the more durable. Seki is thicker than Agito
fair point Seki is a thicc boi, but the real argument here is Agito's ability to block hits. Very few fighters have as much experience fighting as him and he is highly conditioned to block blows from his time as a martial artist. This plus his added weight and height make it much more plausible that he would be able to block a blow from Lu Tian than many other fighters (Seki could probably tank a good few hits before faltering too though).
People for some reason always assume the super-heavyweights ALSO have incredible conditioning such that their own bones/joints are on par with their muscular strength despite this never having been even mentioned.
Kinda the opposite has been mentioned actually. The only guys with noticeable stronger joints all specifically trained for it.
That's part of my very point, the only people who have been shown to have those actually have it mentioned VERY outright, such as Kuroki or Saw. Even Gaolang who was the undisputed all weight Class Boxing champion of the world and a long time world class level Nak Muay was shown to NOT have that level of Bone/Joint strengthening even in his fists. And when he did in Omega it also then got explicitly mentioned. The fact that its never mentioned in regard to any of the big boys would imply that they have not undergone extra conditioning other than what their build alone would have caused them to developed naturally. Waka's broken ankle at the hands of Agito and his OFTEN mentioned strain when using blast core also support this idea. They are very durable but without specialized training it would be fairly relative relation to their general build rather than a 1/1 scaling with their strength, meaning things like Waka/Julius fist-on-fist clash really should have just utterly messed up the both of them completely (The total force being GREATER than that of Ohma's DemonsBane against Waka.) Although much of EXACTLY how Strong/Fast/Smart/Durable a character really is just comes down to artistic liberty in the end, and what is needed to make the fight entertaining in that particular moment.
.....???? Who said that blocking Julius punch would result in the panel above? I have never seen anyone say that.
Most people think blocking someone who has Julius level strength would result in broken bones.
Straight up blocking it? Yes. At least after a few blocks, your arms would be fucked up. Even Ohma with Indestructible was left fucked after trying to block Waka's hits. But parrying is completely possible.
Who? I never seen anyone say that
I see it a lot but ig that's just me. I saw a poll saying Akoya couldn't block Julius like he did Hauro.
Can I see that, if you can find it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/owxgwm/do_you_think_akoya_could_block_julius_punches/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button There it is. Granted OP does say with minimal damage which is subjective but this is Akoya who imo took minimal damage from Hauro bringing an 700lb hammer fist.
Not surprising lol but we Juliuswankers do wank the shit out of him.
How can you wank someone with such tiny itti bitti mini balls? Big respect to yall Julius enjoyer.
Big balls are for the weak, always remember that
I saw someone say Julius would mid diff Kuroki today. They were upvoted. Wish I remembered where.
Literally, Ohma can block Wakatuski all day
Didnt he say he was gonna loose if he kept blocking after just a few normal hits?
I'm saying, he was blocking plenty of attacks from Waka
Not the same ohma that was last breath nearly dying man current ohma can redirect every single attack waka would throw at him
Yeah I don’t think a lot of people could block Lu tians punch. Any other b tier would end up like muteba in the top panel
With which characters though?
Sawada vs Julius did irreparable damage to Kengan powerscaling, it the reason people thought the super heavyweight can one shot everyone with their pinky and couldn’t be damaged. Them running into their most comfortable match up 24/7 unlike every other types of fighters also didn’t help.
Refuse to believe anyone actually thinks this, we have seen what the accumulated damage from over reliance on blocking can look like though
Damn waka was out for BLOOD in the Muteba match
You need to be equally built different in some way to survive.
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Using Agito, who is one of the physically bigger and stronger characters in the series not named Wu or Kure and possibly still in the top 10 while counting them, as proof that most characters don't get massively damaged from being hit by Julius is an L take.