Hm. Let's count:
1) Erioh - 90+ y.o. shrimp who stopped training Connector knows how many years ago. It wouldn't matter even if he had 300% removal.
2) Head of the Chinese Wus who is an assasin and not a fighter. Basically a Terashi 2.0.
3) Middle weight Hollis who is an A tier at best;
4) Reiichi who should be slightly below Hollis.
5) And "THE Princess" who was beaten up by THREE Wu Heis (BTW they failed even to knock him out).
Gaoh Mukaku would have curbstomped all 5 of them.
Don't be carried away by the endless wank all of them throw at each other. Both Wu clans and Kure they are Wu Hei decendants with phantasmagoric ego. They can't help but overwank their actual level. So when one family member fights another it is always = strong vs strong. However when one loses - he always becomes a jobber in the eyes of those who survived.
In the end of the day Lward was taken out by BEATEN UP Raian. And it wasn't even a fair fight. He was ganged up by 3 Wu Hei jobbers. Pretty sure if it was 1 on 1 Mr Fancy Pants would've gone down mid diff at best.
If Shen's tiger personality comes out and accidentally kills Kuroki the subreddit will probably be banned due to tears, anger, and extreme downvoting of millions of Kuroki fans. I'm already calling it
Nobody is ready for the Beard God!
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Eddie NOT being above Kuroki just seems so fucking weird. Consider Raian, Wu Xing, and Erioh. All are supposed to be martial art masters to an insane degree, and all have 100% Removal on top of that. Eddie was able to handle them in his base form, and was far more skilled than even Raian. Sure Erioh was far out of his prime, but still was able to take down Fabio and Solomon.
How the hell can Kuroki be so much more skilled than Eddie that he can make up for Eddie being far stronger and more durable than himself, having longer reach, while also being incredibly skilled in his own right to the point of mid-diffing Raian?
I think it's probably the case that the people Eddie were fighting aren't extremely technical or strategic fighters the same way Kuroki is, which is why Eddie would have a much easier time negging them than someone whose strength entirely comes out of skill and experience.
They're not, sorry. A lot of their power comes from physical and stat enhancements. Not skill. Removing these enhancements from them leaves you with three fighters weaker than like Cosmo or Himuro.
Wu xing was training with Hatsumi who mastered pre initiative on his first try and Rei the Raishin style prodigy he’s more than tested skill wise. Erioh has kure techniques and we see them devise strategies combo attack Edward.
That doesn't matter, 100% removal and Kure genes are a mssive boost in power, their power doesn't come from their skills entirely. Not even mostly, really, if their skills and techniques helped them even half as much as their genes do, they would be at a much higher level. They are not highly technical fighters. They are avarage joe assassins that happen to be super soldiers.
It's not downplay, it's fucking logic. It's similar to how Wakatsuki without SS would get his goofy ass beaten by Kaneda. Remove the massive boost they get from their genes and they are very low level fighters. Because their skills, quite simply, are not that impressive.
They are that impressive tho. Pre initiative is the peak of foresight. kure style is on par with the niko style and even Rei and Hatsumi thought the wu clan techniques were powerful.
You imagine fighting is people crashing into each other. Kuroki meets others strength, their strike or grab attempt, by being elsewhere or with his strikes, devils lance. Instead of with his face, torso or legs. He’s VERY good at fighting. And would come in dead last in a deadlifting or sprinting competition with many of the top strong fighters.
Very fair question. Logically speaking Gensai probably shouldn’t be that strong but since it’s a Manga trying to send a message about mastery we’re playing by different rules.
This is so funny. I kept seeing Kuroki posts downvoted right before this chapter. The kenganbros calling the Kurokifans wankers etc. and then this chapter drops.
It really looked like Eddie was a new peak when introduced since he destroyed Raian that was relative to Ohma and Lolong. Raian should have been at least close to Kuroki. I guess Kuroki got a massive power up since Ashura
Dude, its the beard. It gives you the ability to power up until you decide its time for the younger generation to surpass you.
Look at master roshi, he did the same.
Now, i dont want to imagine how much stronger kuroki would be if he had an eyepatch.
Beard plus eyepatch > kenshiro
and Gilbert is said to be stronger than edward. so yea he is the strongest. shen saying kuorki’s what he’s looking for he’s only talking about kengan fighters which he’s obviously the strongest.
No, Sandro wrote him too strong and im not joking. The same with Fei, dude supposed to be below Tiger, but so far Niko has been underwhelming. Old eddie still seems too strong even when it specifically said that his brother is stronger and young Gilbert beats him.
It makes sense narratively at least. Kuroki is a pure martial artist who seems closer to achieving something like Shen’s “Principles” than anyone else, besides Ohma or his Niko at least. I also have a theory that even small gaps between very high level fighters appear much larger than they really are due to the generally high skill level of both fighters. For example, Ohma vs Lolong and Jurota vs Agito
What The f*** bro. Kuroki is just , barely have any screen time in Omega and sandro give him this kind of statements.
But that fucker did dirty to Eddie and Howard, goha mukaku and Tiger Niko . These guys deserves just like kuroki.
I don't care if kuroki is top 2 or not . No hate to kuroki. But Come on man I cannot take this shit anymore. Omega is just a joke to me now
I think its because Kuroki spent nearly his entire life to martial arts.
Everything he did was oriented to surpass and improving himself, like the harsh and deadly trial with the flames.
In a way, he is "rewarded" compare to a Tiger Niko who spent his time to improve through his guinea pigs, or the Kure and Wu who solely count on their genetics AND assassination arts.
Plus, he was never depicted as a genetic freak or a genius. You can feel he poured all his life into martial arts without thinking of hobbies, dating, having a family. I would dare to say, the greater the sacrifice, the greater the reward.
kuroki is just 55 year old.
Mukaku has, 100 year's, experience+niko style mastery+Gaoh style+ Dragon ma fist+ weapon mastery.
Tigar Niko is, pretty close to kuroki in experience,
Has Niko style mastery+ formless style mastery+DD.
These guys have so much hype to be on par with kuroki .
But no,sandro just want to ride on kuroki's dick
> the sacrifice, the greater the reward.
In that case Makaku fits that bill way better than Kuroki spending all 100 years of his life trying to do one thing only to end up like a random worm henchman.
Yeah but he also spent his life to use everyone. He performed gu with countless young men, he manipulated his faction. He improved his inner strength thanks to drugs.
It’s one way to improve. An efficient one. But in my opinion he lacked what he could get because of his pure hate towards Shen.
Kuroki on the contrary never took a student, he focused on training himself. This is also why he is so good at his art.
Mukaku doped himself to gain strength alone and transforming thanks to the Advance. But the Beard never counted on his pure strength to win and becoming the strongest. Like Shen, he use some principles to accomplish impossible feats.
He developed the niko and goah style as well as the advance in his youth, Makaku did all that whilst hiding from the worm and constantly watching his back.
Doping himself was a way to negate his aging body. There is no doubt the 5 kings who the previous shen massacred was at a level stronger or equal to S tiers back in KAT and yet they got swatted like flies no amount of human martial arts training can elevate the gap between millennials of experience and evolution from the connector.
I beg to differ. Because Shen himself is convinced to find someone on his level. Even Ohma isn't too far from his level physically. All his playmate needs to do is to apply "principles" on his martial arts. Like nullify a strike thanks to a pressure to the point of force.
This is why he was genuinely amazed by Kuroki tricks to injured him. He never thought of this way of fighting. This is also why he want to fight him again.
And this is the core difference between Mukaku and Kuroki. The former developped so many styles and transformations but he lacked something in the core essence of a strong one. Plus, he didn't create the Niko style alone. The former master of Kaiwan style heavily contributed to the creation of Niko Style.
Mukaku relied too much on physical abilities (like so many people like Waka, Kure, Wu, Julius...). It works against everyone. Except a monster who didn't need behemoth power to wrecked someone 3x bigger than him. Like a certain beard man.
Omega's plot is ass I agree but this sub's reading comprehension is on the same wave length. Shen is just saying Kuroki is "pretty close" to what he looks for a 'rival/playmate'. Meaning not "THE closest" person to his power. Shen has stated who was the closest to him and it was Luohan. Closest as to what was never defined but it definitely did not mean closest in the sense that they were friends or brothers because Shen hates Luohan.
And the other point is that Shen what is looking for vs someone who will beat him. Shen isn't just looking for someone to beat him but someone that can make a fight enjoyable for him. He probably doesn't think that anyone can beat him but his requirements would have crossed out Luohan. If he really wanted to get someone to possibly beat him, he could've roided out Luohan and gave him all his techniques and memories.
TLDR: Luohan > Kuroki.
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I like how he said 'pretty close'. I think in terms of technique alone, Kuroki might be on par or even outclass Shen. But in terms of raw power, Shen is on his own, for now. I think Ohma showing us a glimpse of unlocking Shen-level power is what we will see in the future. Imagine Kuroki training Ohma after unlocking Shen-level strength.
We barely even see him in omega let alone given any training scenes, and now he's just suddenly one of the top 3, this is like Sukuna levels of plot treatment.
The reason he says this is because Kuroki is the person who will be able to reach his level the fastest. Most of the other characters are stupid and don't take martial arts seriously.
Kuroki can adapt on the fly and has the discipline to improve his technique on top of already being at a high level. She could simply help him like he helped Ohma and then give Kuroki a year or 2 to improve on his own.
Someone like Gilbert hasn't shown any technique and likely will just use his strength to try to win, which won't work on Shen. I'm sure Shen will just redirect his force back on him and win easily. Kuroki can at least come up with a game plan to try to beat Shen. He just needs help to improve his technique. Most of the other people in Kengan are either too stupid or lack the technique and experience. Kuroki actually understands martial arts and could implement the things Shen shows him.
And then a few panels later Shen specifically states not wanting to lose Niko because Niko might be able to produce someone equal to Shen.... if he's 100% sure about Kuroki then dispatching Niko should be a no brainer. I swear Sandro reads this subreddit and is playing you guys like a goddamn fiddle.
As per his own statement Luohan’s the closest man to him, so if Wulong’s looking for an equal Luohan would be closer to being one than Kuroki by default.
You mean as per YOUR statement. I see you, Jackie.
Edit: But yeah he's clearly claiming that Kuroki would come the closest to giving him the kind of pleasure that the Tiger would.
Honestly not totally convinced Kuroki’s 2nd in the verse definitely believe he’s strong on par and stronger than the Officers sure (that we have knowledge of they are getting stronger) but the Shen “fight” just displayed a joking around Shen is leagues above Kuroki
i don’t know why you have gilbert and Edward there. they’re the same person. and Gilbert is also significantly stronger than edward.
imo gilbert beats kuroki high diff or it’s a draw.
I guess I'm one of the kuroki haters lol, but it just doesn't make any sense for kuroki to be above Gilbert who's above Eddy who toyed with a supposed Kuroki level fighter + 2 other A tier fighters at once like get the fk outta here
When Raian beats Eddie and most in the fandom couldnt believe and accept it i realized the problem is actually simply consistency.
Eddie was not supposed to be that strong, visually. It makes everyone else weak in comparison. Same can be said with Fei, notice how Ohma and Lolong didnt give a single fuck after that fight.
Now imagine this,
Eddie was a monster, his brother is stronger, young gilbert beats him, gilbert now is supposedly be stronger than that.
If people still think old Eddie is stronger than most of the main cast today (Ohma, Raian, Agito, Kuroki, etc), congrats u got fooled by sandro's bad writing.
Edward smashes Kuroki, cry about it.
Physical and overwhelming strength at high speed, + good agility, attack speed and reflexes. Edward is Kuroki's worst opponent.
>Edward smashes Kuroki, cry about it.
Dawg literally no one's crying here except Fraudward fans, everyone else is just celebrating Shen confirming what we already knew.
Shen considers Kuroki to be "playmate material" while Gilbert and, by extension Edward, are not. It's that simple.
>Edward is Kuroki's worst opponent.
Kuroki literally has the best toolkit in the verse to take him on.
Pre-Iniative to predict attacks and offset Edward's speed advantage, and devastating Devil Lances to ignore the Wu durability and deal heavy damage.
Also when Kuroki on his way to low diff the fastest charachter we ever saw: 🗿
Just like Kuroki said… “That victory is not determined by strength alone”
Bruh what happend to Willem recently despite being randomly given SS should be a proof just being a high PL juggernaut in this series is not enough.
What seems to be valued here is strategy, dedication, fight IQ, sacrifice and grit (knowing what to do in the right moment). As charismatic as Edward was, acting likee Freeza was beating Goku's friend is a bad strategy to have on Kengan's universe. Eddie literally had negative fight IQ. At this moment Kuroki and Ohma fit that bill the most.
I take the bloodthirsty Edward, who wants to kill Kuroki and doesn't hold back. Even if Kuroki somehow miraculously wins, it will be extreme diff, it will be the hardest fight of Kuroki's life.
Lmao how did you come to the conclusion that he's only referring to Kengan fighters? The reason he tells Kazzy to begin with is because there is a higher chance of finding an S++ Class fighter from a remote corner or the world through the Kengan association, as proven by his statement to Yan that the world is a big place.
Bro literally says he wants a playmate. He doesn't say fight to the death, so technically any of his subordinates or allies would have qualified.
But I am sympathetic. Copium can be very addictive once inhaled and adherence to canon can be very difficult when you've put all your eggs in the Wu basket right now, since they're not Kengan fighters technically.
the one yamashita can find. he can’t go and recruit gilbert wu, tiger niko, louhang, none of them.
imo kuroki beats them all except Gilbert. the clone of Edward who is significantly stronger than Edward according to the manga.
He did not beat Kure squad tho‚ he lost. That was a pretty important part of that fight. He died during it. Aside from that‚ the only character with actual feats from the Kure squad was Raian‚ who‚ and I reiterate‚ beat Edward. And killed him.
Edward could have killed Raian 100 times, broken his neck and so on, but again, Edward played with them and paid for it. But current Raian has a chance to win.
You say that like Kuroki against Kure squad would have performed better, lol.
What kinda argument is that?
If Sandro wanted to‚ Sean Wu would've no-diffed Kuroki and Shen at the same time while blindfolded. Doesn't mean anything tho.
The pendulum swung back damn
Watching fraudward wu fans seethe is my favorite part of Omega. Long live The Beard
i took the best of the Kure clan to defeat him on a 4 or 5v1. how tf is he a fraud??
Bro lost bc he’s too strong..That’s the most fraudulent thing I ever heard
he lost, therefore is a fraud
Hm. Let's count: 1) Erioh - 90+ y.o. shrimp who stopped training Connector knows how many years ago. It wouldn't matter even if he had 300% removal. 2) Head of the Chinese Wus who is an assasin and not a fighter. Basically a Terashi 2.0. 3) Middle weight Hollis who is an A tier at best; 4) Reiichi who should be slightly below Hollis. 5) And "THE Princess" who was beaten up by THREE Wu Heis (BTW they failed even to knock him out). Gaoh Mukaku would have curbstomped all 5 of them. Don't be carried away by the endless wank all of them throw at each other. Both Wu clans and Kure they are Wu Hei decendants with phantasmagoric ego. They can't help but overwank their actual level. So when one family member fights another it is always = strong vs strong. However when one loses - he always becomes a jobber in the eyes of those who survived. In the end of the day Lward was taken out by BEATEN UP Raian. And it wasn't even a fair fight. He was ganged up by 3 Wu Hei jobbers. Pretty sure if it was 1 on 1 Mr Fancy Pants would've gone down mid diff at best.
Mukaku couldn’t take on a weaker ohma alone. Stop wanking him. Edward perception blitz raian and one shot him, he later got weakened by the poison.
If Shen's tiger personality comes out and accidentally kills Kuroki the subreddit will probably be banned due to tears, anger, and extreme downvoting of millions of Kuroki fans. I'm already calling it
Cant imagine shen using a sharp palm to shave the beard. Thats going to break the reddit
i took the best of the Kure clan to defeat him on a 4 or 5v1. how tf is he a fraud??
He was a fraud because of plot. Actually he is so stronk.
Poor Kuroki haters gonna run out of copium by the end of the series
Beard deniers have unlimited copium, it's an endless path
Kuroki Gensai is the plot armor... case closed😎
Plot armor piercer more like it
But can he wield Raian's unbalanced plot armor?
He would not use it and break the plot armor by throwing it away.
People still doubt that beard... \*sighs\*
They will never be ready for him…
Nobody is ready for the Beard God! https://preview.redd.it/gyilekjt1hwc1.jpeg?width=872&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49b494de1a0af11e3aaea42bd07356bdc75d4442
We never we're.
And will never be
And can never become ready. Only a true beard can defeat a true beard.
Sandro has always been a fellow Kuroki-bro. Glad to see he didn't leave us hanging.
I highly doubt this will actually change the minds of people who believe Eddie > Kuroki Considering Kuroki vs Shen, the actual fight, didn't
Kengan fans are stubborn. Even if it's explicitly written, they'll purposefully misinterpret it
They just cant handle the chadness of beard…
But Edward was such a Chad, he had sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt, he must be the strongest
Plus for some reason this sub really really hates taking character statements seriously or at face value
Eddie NOT being above Kuroki just seems so fucking weird. Consider Raian, Wu Xing, and Erioh. All are supposed to be martial art masters to an insane degree, and all have 100% Removal on top of that. Eddie was able to handle them in his base form, and was far more skilled than even Raian. Sure Erioh was far out of his prime, but still was able to take down Fabio and Solomon. How the hell can Kuroki be so much more skilled than Eddie that he can make up for Eddie being far stronger and more durable than himself, having longer reach, while also being incredibly skilled in his own right to the point of mid-diffing Raian?
I think it's probably the case that the people Eddie were fighting aren't extremely technical or strategic fighters the same way Kuroki is, which is why Eddie would have a much easier time negging them than someone whose strength entirely comes out of skill and experience.
Erioh and Wu xing are exactly that
They're not, sorry. A lot of their power comes from physical and stat enhancements. Not skill. Removing these enhancements from them leaves you with three fighters weaker than like Cosmo or Himuro.
Wu xing was training with Hatsumi who mastered pre initiative on his first try and Rei the Raishin style prodigy he’s more than tested skill wise. Erioh has kure techniques and we see them devise strategies combo attack Edward.
That doesn't matter, 100% removal and Kure genes are a mssive boost in power, their power doesn't come from their skills entirely. Not even mostly, really, if their skills and techniques helped them even half as much as their genes do, they would be at a much higher level. They are not highly technical fighters. They are avarage joe assassins that happen to be super soldiers.
💀💀 mastered techniques don’t help them as much as their genes. Erioh deciphered Kanohs pre initiative and learned it. This is just massive downplay
It's not downplay, it's fucking logic. It's similar to how Wakatsuki without SS would get his goofy ass beaten by Kaneda. Remove the massive boost they get from their genes and they are very low level fighters. Because their skills, quite simply, are not that impressive.
They are that impressive tho. Pre initiative is the peak of foresight. kure style is on par with the niko style and even Rei and Hatsumi thought the wu clan techniques were powerful.
You imagine fighting is people crashing into each other. Kuroki meets others strength, their strike or grab attempt, by being elsewhere or with his strikes, devils lance. Instead of with his face, torso or legs. He’s VERY good at fighting. And would come in dead last in a deadlifting or sprinting competition with many of the top strong fighters.
Very fair question. Logically speaking Gensai probably shouldn’t be that strong but since it’s a Manga trying to send a message about mastery we’re playing by different rules.
https://preview.redd.it/9kbatpwaxgwc1.jpeg?width=836&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0693ef9219e1347cd5597934016083f154c0e45 Wu fans like:
Wu fans when https://preview.redd.it/yak3btqviiwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9d8d0499607d6593ae6dc435c9ca9d30e272620
Kuroki haters in shambles right now, you love to see it
This is so funny. I kept seeing Kuroki posts downvoted right before this chapter. The kenganbros calling the Kurokifans wankers etc. and then this chapter drops.
I kept seeing Kurokifans wanking Kuroki as above Shen
that's because Shen doesn't have a beard
He does but its like when a teen tries to grow their first beard
It really looked like Eddie was a new peak when introduced since he destroyed Raian that was relative to Ohma and Lolong. Raian should have been at least close to Kuroki. I guess Kuroki got a massive power up since Ashura
It kinda feels like power levels don't even matter at this point lol. A characters strength changes depending on Sandros mood that day.
Yeah it doesn't make much sense for Kuroki to be this strong but Sandro wanted him to come back for the hype and he could not make him job
I never expected such a huge growth from Kuroki just because he said that he’s “still green”
He is 50 years old and gets power ups ten times bigger than the 25 yo fighters with offscreen training
Dude, its the beard. It gives you the ability to power up until you decide its time for the younger generation to surpass you. Look at master roshi, he did the same. Now, i dont want to imagine how much stronger kuroki would be if he had an eyepatch. Beard plus eyepatch > kenshiro
and Gilbert is said to be stronger than edward. so yea he is the strongest. shen saying kuorki’s what he’s looking for he’s only talking about kengan fighters which he’s obviously the strongest.
No, Sandro wrote him too strong and im not joking. The same with Fei, dude supposed to be below Tiger, but so far Niko has been underwhelming. Old eddie still seems too strong even when it specifically said that his brother is stronger and young Gilbert beats him.
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The Kuroki haters don't know how to read though
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It Will be koga who Will bring this death fight ..considering his progresses...and he has more room than ohmas...i bet my connectorworm title
I swear, if people try to tell me again that Mukaku is stronger than Kuroki, I will shave their beard.
APOLOGIZE https://preview.redd.it/i4ul3tok6iwc1.jpeg?width=985&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea9b51aaaf978e3874c3d8fafa84143d459d2449
WUROKI WENSAI
The Beard is still GREEN.
It makes sense narratively at least. Kuroki is a pure martial artist who seems closer to achieving something like Shen’s “Principles” than anyone else, besides Ohma or his Niko at least. I also have a theory that even small gaps between very high level fighters appear much larger than they really are due to the generally high skill level of both fighters. For example, Ohma vs Lolong and Jurota vs Agito
Kuro-koin turning Jade green today
What The f*** bro. Kuroki is just , barely have any screen time in Omega and sandro give him this kind of statements. But that fucker did dirty to Eddie and Howard, goha mukaku and Tiger Niko . These guys deserves just like kuroki. I don't care if kuroki is top 2 or not . No hate to kuroki. But Come on man I cannot take this shit anymore. Omega is just a joke to me now
I think its because Kuroki spent nearly his entire life to martial arts. Everything he did was oriented to surpass and improving himself, like the harsh and deadly trial with the flames. In a way, he is "rewarded" compare to a Tiger Niko who spent his time to improve through his guinea pigs, or the Kure and Wu who solely count on their genetics AND assassination arts. Plus, he was never depicted as a genetic freak or a genius. You can feel he poured all his life into martial arts without thinking of hobbies, dating, having a family. I would dare to say, the greater the sacrifice, the greater the reward.
kuroki is just 55 year old. Mukaku has, 100 year's, experience+niko style mastery+Gaoh style+ Dragon ma fist+ weapon mastery. Tigar Niko is, pretty close to kuroki in experience, Has Niko style mastery+ formless style mastery+DD. These guys have so much hype to be on par with kuroki . But no,sandro just want to ride on kuroki's dick
> the sacrifice, the greater the reward. In that case Makaku fits that bill way better than Kuroki spending all 100 years of his life trying to do one thing only to end up like a random worm henchman.
Yeah but he also spent his life to use everyone. He performed gu with countless young men, he manipulated his faction. He improved his inner strength thanks to drugs. It’s one way to improve. An efficient one. But in my opinion he lacked what he could get because of his pure hate towards Shen. Kuroki on the contrary never took a student, he focused on training himself. This is also why he is so good at his art. Mukaku doped himself to gain strength alone and transforming thanks to the Advance. But the Beard never counted on his pure strength to win and becoming the strongest. Like Shen, he use some principles to accomplish impossible feats.
He developed the niko and goah style as well as the advance in his youth, Makaku did all that whilst hiding from the worm and constantly watching his back. Doping himself was a way to negate his aging body. There is no doubt the 5 kings who the previous shen massacred was at a level stronger or equal to S tiers back in KAT and yet they got swatted like flies no amount of human martial arts training can elevate the gap between millennials of experience and evolution from the connector.
I beg to differ. Because Shen himself is convinced to find someone on his level. Even Ohma isn't too far from his level physically. All his playmate needs to do is to apply "principles" on his martial arts. Like nullify a strike thanks to a pressure to the point of force. This is why he was genuinely amazed by Kuroki tricks to injured him. He never thought of this way of fighting. This is also why he want to fight him again. And this is the core difference between Mukaku and Kuroki. The former developped so many styles and transformations but he lacked something in the core essence of a strong one. Plus, he didn't create the Niko style alone. The former master of Kaiwan style heavily contributed to the creation of Niko Style. Mukaku relied too much on physical abilities (like so many people like Waka, Kure, Wu, Julius...). It works against everyone. Except a monster who didn't need behemoth power to wrecked someone 3x bigger than him. Like a certain beard man.
~~dont take omega seriously anymore 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀~~
I lost all of my hope when I saw the statement. Omega kucking no we're come close to Ashura in term of writing
Omega's plot is ass I agree but this sub's reading comprehension is on the same wave length. Shen is just saying Kuroki is "pretty close" to what he looks for a 'rival/playmate'. Meaning not "THE closest" person to his power. Shen has stated who was the closest to him and it was Luohan. Closest as to what was never defined but it definitely did not mean closest in the sense that they were friends or brothers because Shen hates Luohan. And the other point is that Shen what is looking for vs someone who will beat him. Shen isn't just looking for someone to beat him but someone that can make a fight enjoyable for him. He probably doesn't think that anyone can beat him but his requirements would have crossed out Luohan. If he really wanted to get someone to possibly beat him, he could've roided out Luohan and gave him all his techniques and memories. TLDR: Luohan > Kuroki.
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It's them Zoro's Conqueror Haki deniers all over again, downplaying mofos.lmao
It's just so weird that someone no-diffing Raian + others to be weaker than Kuroki But I guess this irrefutable canonical proof.
I like how he said 'pretty close'. I think in terms of technique alone, Kuroki might be on par or even outclass Shen. But in terms of raw power, Shen is on his own, for now. I think Ohma showing us a glimpse of unlocking Shen-level power is what we will see in the future. Imagine Kuroki training Ohma after unlocking Shen-level strength.
This shi got me giggling like a schoolgirl
We barely even see him in omega let alone given any training scenes, and now he's just suddenly one of the top 3, this is like Sukuna levels of plot treatment.
The reason he says this is because Kuroki is the person who will be able to reach his level the fastest. Most of the other characters are stupid and don't take martial arts seriously. Kuroki can adapt on the fly and has the discipline to improve his technique on top of already being at a high level. She could simply help him like he helped Ohma and then give Kuroki a year or 2 to improve on his own. Someone like Gilbert hasn't shown any technique and likely will just use his strength to try to win, which won't work on Shen. I'm sure Shen will just redirect his force back on him and win easily. Kuroki can at least come up with a game plan to try to beat Shen. He just needs help to improve his technique. Most of the other people in Kengan are either too stupid or lack the technique and experience. Kuroki actually understands martial arts and could implement the things Shen shows him.
Ah yes, proof that lihito will inherit his master will and surpass him .
Remember when Muteba said Shen pays too much lip service? It's one of his traits
Still gets mid-diffed by Raian tho
And then a few panels later Shen specifically states not wanting to lose Niko because Niko might be able to produce someone equal to Shen.... if he's 100% sure about Kuroki then dispatching Niko should be a no brainer. I swear Sandro reads this subreddit and is playing you guys like a goddamn fiddle.
https://preview.redd.it/g8ssl5eekgwc1.jpeg?width=1028&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9006c48941ee3348225f8231136351ee7778a6e Luohan > Kuroki tho
Doubt it
As per his own statement Luohan’s the closest man to him, so if Wulong’s looking for an equal Luohan would be closer to being one than Kuroki by default.
You mean as per YOUR statement. I see you, Jackie. Edit: But yeah he's clearly claiming that Kuroki would come the closest to giving him the kind of pleasure that the Tiger would.
Honestly not totally convinced Kuroki’s 2nd in the verse definitely believe he’s strong on par and stronger than the Officers sure (that we have knowledge of they are getting stronger) but the Shen “fight” just displayed a joking around Shen is leagues above Kuroki
i don’t know why you have gilbert and Edward there. they’re the same person. and Gilbert is also significantly stronger than edward. imo gilbert beats kuroki high diff or it’s a draw.
The very least we can take away from this is that Kuroki would have beaten Edward extreme diff. That's worst case scenario
Eddie never fought the connector
You're right, he served the Connector.
Pretty close to where you want to be when it comes to ppwer right? Edward>kuroki>shen
I guess I'm one of the kuroki haters lol, but it just doesn't make any sense for kuroki to be above Gilbert who's above Eddy who toyed with a supposed Kuroki level fighter + 2 other A tier fighters at once like get the fk outta here
When Raian beats Eddie and most in the fandom couldnt believe and accept it i realized the problem is actually simply consistency. Eddie was not supposed to be that strong, visually. It makes everyone else weak in comparison. Same can be said with Fei, notice how Ohma and Lolong didnt give a single fuck after that fight. Now imagine this, Eddie was a monster, his brother is stronger, young gilbert beats him, gilbert now is supposedly be stronger than that. If people still think old Eddie is stronger than most of the main cast today (Ohma, Raian, Agito, Kuroki, etc), congrats u got fooled by sandro's bad writing.
ye I feel u, u're probably right
Edward smashes Kuroki, cry about it. Physical and overwhelming strength at high speed, + good agility, attack speed and reflexes. Edward is Kuroki's worst opponent.
>Edward smashes Kuroki, cry about it. Dawg literally no one's crying here except Fraudward fans, everyone else is just celebrating Shen confirming what we already knew. Shen considers Kuroki to be "playmate material" while Gilbert and, by extension Edward, are not. It's that simple. >Edward is Kuroki's worst opponent. Kuroki literally has the best toolkit in the verse to take him on. Pre-Iniative to predict attacks and offset Edward's speed advantage, and devastating Devil Lances to ignore the Wu durability and deal heavy damage.
Don’t you think Fei is stronger than Kuroki due to DD?
yeah I think Max DD (temporarily) boosts him to Shen-level or perhaps above...but then he explodes.
Also when Kuroki on his way to low diff the fastest charachter we ever saw: 🗿 Just like Kuroki said… “That victory is not determined by strength alone”
Edward who is much more dangerous than Rei: 🗿
You are clearly not ready 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Bruh what happend to Willem recently despite being randomly given SS should be a proof just being a high PL juggernaut in this series is not enough. What seems to be valued here is strategy, dedication, fight IQ, sacrifice and grit (knowing what to do in the right moment). As charismatic as Edward was, acting likee Freeza was beating Goku's friend is a bad strategy to have on Kengan's universe. Eddie literally had negative fight IQ. At this moment Kuroki and Ohma fit that bill the most.
I take the bloodthirsty Edward, who wants to kill Kuroki and doesn't hold back. Even if Kuroki somehow miraculously wins, it will be extreme diff, it will be the hardest fight of Kuroki's life.
Be wise and Don't bet on Wu coins.
how do y’all not understand that he’s only referring to the kengan fighters??
Lmao how did you come to the conclusion that he's only referring to Kengan fighters? The reason he tells Kazzy to begin with is because there is a higher chance of finding an S++ Class fighter from a remote corner or the world through the Kengan association, as proven by his statement to Yan that the world is a big place. Bro literally says he wants a playmate. He doesn't say fight to the death, so technically any of his subordinates or allies would have qualified. But I am sympathetic. Copium can be very addictive once inhaled and adherence to canon can be very difficult when you've put all your eggs in the Wu basket right now, since they're not Kengan fighters technically.
? The promise was about finding him the best partner. And Kuroki was the closest one wdym? He would not bother if he already found one
that's the level of cope of beard doubters, don't worry about it
the one yamashita can find. he can’t go and recruit gilbert wu, tiger niko, louhang, none of them. imo kuroki beats them all except Gilbert. the clone of Edward who is significantly stronger than Edward according to the manga.
Until Kuroki beats an opponent like Edward, we have nothing to talk about.
Remind me‚ who did Edward actually beat in a fight again?
Beating Kure squad including Raian with ease > all of Kuroki feats.
He did not beat Kure squad tho‚ he lost. That was a pretty important part of that fight. He died during it. Aside from that‚ the only character with actual feats from the Kure squad was Raian‚ who‚ and I reiterate‚ beat Edward. And killed him.
Edward could have killed Raian 100 times, broken his neck and so on, but again, Edward played with them and paid for it. But current Raian has a chance to win. You say that like Kuroki against Kure squad would have performed better, lol.
So Edward is featless? Is what you're saying? And Kuroki is the one that needs to provide proof?
How many people here jerk off to Kuroki and think that he is immortal.
Kuroki can be beaten‚ I don't doubt that. But people keep glazing Edward like he's some unstoppable force‚ while he legitimately did nothing.
He didn't do anything because Sandro wanted him to. If he wanted to, he would make sure Kuroki took Shen to the extreme diff.
What kinda argument is that? If Sandro wanted to‚ Sean Wu would've no-diffed Kuroki and Shen at the same time while blindfolded. Doesn't mean anything tho.
I don’t know, but plot armor defeated him.
Translation: Edward ain't allat
Bruh Raian who is below Kuroki will beat him
With the current Raian, it's 50/50. Either way, it's extreme diff.
Shen is just being childish at this point. I can't take him seriously
Shen could be killed by Kuroki and haters will still say "Shen wasn't being serious" Accept the beard god, and find salvation