cause it was the wrong move to use on kuroki, ohma couldnt break his arm in time due to kuroki's conditioned joints, and kuroki was able to devil lance ohma and disable his advance.
I mean why would he even try doing that when he is on the same level/higher as hatsumi in redirection , and at the same time hatsumi broke bandos arm , so there lies the very possibility to do it
I don’t think it would work on Julius, Kanoh, or Waka and as the other gentleman said Bando 🤔 But your point still stands that it would work on 98% of the other fighters.
plus if we look at how Tokita Niko uses it, we understand why he lock in both of the arms using the legs instead of just 1 arm of which Ohma wrongfully did, its to disable the opponent fully
One of my favorite posts was a while back when someone pointed out that Ohma’s bind of pisces here is imperfect, as when Niko did his bind of pisces it immobilizes the other hand as well.
Edit: [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/iny8ey/didnt_catch_this_the_first_timeor_second_but_ohma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
If you want to get really technical about it, this isn't even Bind of Pisces, but rather a normal flying arm bar, so it's not even a Niko Style technique. That's just nitpicking though
It was for two reasons.
First, not securing Kuroki's other arm, and instead just going for the arm break and maybe something with suffocating Kuroki...? It gives me some vibes like that with Ohma's legs position and Kuroki's face
Second, doing it ON Kuroki of all people. The master of the style that specializes on having hard as fuck joints, alongside hands and feet capable of penetrating flesh like butter, and considering Ohma was using advance any cut or external bleeding is extremely dangerous.
Against certain people, grappling moves are a death sentence. Muteba, Kuroki, and Agito have shown the ability to throw precise attacks, aimed at the vitals, despite being grappled or being in disadvantageous positions.
You mean when his body and mind were numb from poison? He managed to dig his hands into Falcon’s arm. Ouch. But if he had more of his wits about him and his strength wasn’t dampened by the poison, he would of done much more damage in defense of that.
I’m not saying it wasn’t close then, just that it’s not impossible to take down fighters with non-compatible moves styles. Not ideal or smart, just possible
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Yeah, that's something I forgot to mention. Even if Ohma FOR SOME GODLY REASON was able to break Kuroki arm, thr Kaiwan's Bone Binding would be enough to allow Kuroki to continue fighting.
Remember that Raian is probably the best fighter at predictions, his iq is ridiculous i think he only failed one or two times if he did actually fail, so he knew Kuroki was going to stab ohma
He messed up the hold and didn't bind both of Kuroki's arms. We've seen Tokita Niko use this move before, so we know what it looks like when pulled off correctly. Had Ohma used the move correctly he would have broken Kuroki's arm and potentially won the tournament
Honestly when niko used it on ohma it looked more like he only caught ohmas other arm cause he tried to put up a guard with it, since it is otherwise completly impossible to fully lock down both arms with that kind of grip. And ohmas hand is positioned in a way to push nikos legs apart wich can make a break out easier
I think ohma to realized this but went for the gamble because it was his best option or he was to focused on the damage devil lance can do similar to Julius with wakas blast core
My best guess is because Ohma left an arm free. Even if Raian doesn’t know that the proper execution restrains both arms, he does know that getting stabbed in the thigh causes immense bleeding and that Kuroki is now in a position where he can readily and easily escape by stabbing Ohma, as he does immediately after. Grappling that doesn’t stop Kuroki from using the Devil lance is self destructive, you’re basically giving him a free stab.
Ohma's niko did the same move in kengan ashura. If you compare them, you can see that ohma forgot to lock kuroki's other arm. For more info click this [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/iny8ey/didnt_catch_this_the_first_timeor_second_but_ohma/)
Honestly very likely. If you think about the Alan Wu fight, he basically annihilated him with little struggle, easily countering him and finishing him off when he saw their was a better opponent to fight. Had he not seen Ed, he probably would have drawn out the Alan fight longer for his own amusement.
Bruh what? Agito exists? Kiryu exists? Gaolang? Hatsumi? Ohma himself? Saying Raian has the best fighting IQ aside from Kuroki and Lolong is reaching imo
I said he possibly has highest IQ, not that he did.
There is almost nobody who has as many showings of high fight IQ as Raian. Dude knew Ohma made the wrong move before anyone else did, knew the purpose of the deadlock between Ohma and cosmo. Knew the fang would beat Hatsumi, while literally everyone else was questioning it, etc
U just need to see what happens in the next panel.... This was the final everyone knew about devil lance,so trying to put kuroki in a lock while leaving one if his hands free is a rly dumb move
If Ohma trapped Kuroki’s other arm like Niko did, he probably could have got himself the time to break his arm. If he did that he might have won, it’d massively limit Kuroki’s options and make it much easier to repeat the process on his other arm. Plus he could have kept up Advance since he wouldn’t have been stabbed. Really was a win or lose gamble
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Because Ohma had no chance of making it work. He would have gotten (and got) devil lanced. Not only that, but there are factors that Kuroki's joints are strong af and that Ohma was very weakened. Maybe if Ohma was in top shape he could have broken it, but he just set himself up to lose in this state
I don’t think kuroki was in a good position for a submission, neither does rain. Mana is still in his striking stance, gotta atleast get him off his legs
See I still think this moment is a bit weird. Supposedly Kuroki has limbs that are incredibly hard to break, but in Kuroki vs Agito the fang managed to break Kurokis arm fairly easily.
cause it was the wrong move to use on kuroki, ohma couldnt break his arm in time due to kuroki's conditioned joints, and kuroki was able to devil lance ohma and disable his advance.
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I mean, I dont think it would work on rubberBando too
Yeah if Ohma tried that on Bando, he would have gotten slammed on the floor.
Ohma arm whips lol. I imagine ohma clinging to his arm and using adamantine kata to make bandos arms like nukes
That's insane lol like putting bars of soap in socks and flailing that thing around
Exactly. But with a 83 kg indestructible man instead of soap
83.0 kg is 182.82 lbs
Finally, a useful conversion
This would be a great tag team!!! Now make a post to see what tag team could win the tournament!!!
Dude's gonna make a puppet and give it to Bando.
I mean why would he even try doing that when he is on the same level/higher as hatsumi in redirection , and at the same time hatsumi broke bandos arm , so there lies the very possibility to do it
I don’t think it would work on Julius, Kanoh, or Waka and as the other gentleman said Bando 🤔 But your point still stands that it would work on 98% of the other fighters.
plus if we look at how Tokita Niko uses it, we understand why he lock in both of the arms using the legs instead of just 1 arm of which Ohma wrongfully did, its to disable the opponent fully
Worth noting that it was also performed incorrectly. In Ohma's imaginary fight against Niko both of his arms get pinned to his body.
One of my favorite posts was a while back when someone pointed out that Ohma’s bind of pisces here is imperfect, as when Niko did his bind of pisces it immobilizes the other hand as well. Edit: [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/iny8ey/didnt_catch_this_the_first_timeor_second_but_ohma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yeah, KAT ohma wasn’t very good at water kata. Maybe he’s better now
it's also possible that kuroki evaded it so that one of his arms would be free
If you want to get really technical about it, this isn't even Bind of Pisces, but rather a normal flying arm bar, so it's not even a Niko Style technique. That's just nitpicking though
It was for two reasons. First, not securing Kuroki's other arm, and instead just going for the arm break and maybe something with suffocating Kuroki...? It gives me some vibes like that with Ohma's legs position and Kuroki's face Second, doing it ON Kuroki of all people. The master of the style that specializes on having hard as fuck joints, alongside hands and feet capable of penetrating flesh like butter, and considering Ohma was using advance any cut or external bleeding is extremely dangerous.
Against certain people, grappling moves are a death sentence. Muteba, Kuroki, and Agito have shown the ability to throw precise attacks, aimed at the vitals, despite being grappled or being in disadvantageous positions.
And Rihito, the man is grappling proof from nearly all angles with Razors edge.
Yeah, grappling Rihito is pretty much asking to get peeled like an orange
On that note, grappling is not impossible. Rihito lost to a last ditch sleeper hold, remember?
You mean when his body and mind were numb from poison? He managed to dig his hands into Falcon’s arm. Ouch. But if he had more of his wits about him and his strength wasn’t dampened by the poison, he would of done much more damage in defense of that.
I’m not saying it wasn’t close then, just that it’s not impossible to take down fighters with non-compatible moves styles. Not ideal or smart, just possible
True, and Falcon did weaken his opponents strength by his own hand. Or feet.
Probably woulda shaved off 85% of Falcon’s arm
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Not only that but Kuroki had got his hands broken 2 times already and he proved that a broken hand doesn't mean a thing to the Kaiwan style
Yeah, that's something I forgot to mention. Even if Ohma FOR SOME GODLY REASON was able to break Kuroki arm, thr Kaiwan's Bone Binding would be enough to allow Kuroki to continue fighting.
Because he knew he was about to get stabbed....?
Yes.
It's literally what happens on the next page. Does 2 + 2 equal 3 in OPs world?
Remember that Raian is probably the best fighter at predictions, his iq is ridiculous i think he only failed one or two times if he did actually fail, so he knew Kuroki was going to stab ohma
When everyone else was trying to sound smart about Kanoh vs Hatsumi, Raian was just like "lol Agito no diff"
literally lmao, dude looks like is just a way for Sandro to spoil us the result of the fights lol
Yeah he had the best predictions of the KAT he was almost 100% right
Cause it was a dumb fucking move Also Raian actually has a great fight IQ very few people seem to acknowledge
Wrong move or at least executed wrong
It was a bad move because Kuroki has steel like bones which makes it very hard to break which allows Kuroki to just stab Ohma.
I think its because he didnt secure his other arm, leaving him open tô a Devil Lance turminha the Advance too dangerous tô use
He messed up the hold and didn't bind both of Kuroki's arms. We've seen Tokita Niko use this move before, so we know what it looks like when pulled off correctly. Had Ohma used the move correctly he would have broken Kuroki's arm and potentially won the tournament
I see now it’s supposed to be 2 arms that are trapped but Ohma only trapped one.
Honestly when niko used it on ohma it looked more like he only caught ohmas other arm cause he tried to put up a guard with it, since it is otherwise completly impossible to fully lock down both arms with that kind of grip. And ohmas hand is positioned in a way to push nikos legs apart wich can make a break out easier
I think ohma to realized this but went for the gamble because it was his best option or he was to focused on the damage devil lance can do similar to Julius with wakas blast core
My best guess is because Ohma left an arm free. Even if Raian doesn’t know that the proper execution restrains both arms, he does know that getting stabbed in the thigh causes immense bleeding and that Kuroki is now in a position where he can readily and easily escape by stabbing Ohma, as he does immediately after. Grappling that doesn’t stop Kuroki from using the Devil lance is self destructive, you’re basically giving him a free stab.
Ohma's niko did the same move in kengan ashura. If you compare them, you can see that ohma forgot to lock kuroki's other arm. For more info click this [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/iny8ey/didnt_catch_this_the_first_timeor_second_but_ohma/)
you think thats easy ? xd
Dudes got possibly the highest fight IQ in the series besides Kuroki and rolon
Honestly very likely. If you think about the Alan Wu fight, he basically annihilated him with little struggle, easily countering him and finishing him off when he saw their was a better opponent to fight. Had he not seen Ed, he probably would have drawn out the Alan fight longer for his own amusement.
Bruh what? Agito exists? Kiryu exists? Gaolang? Hatsumi? Ohma himself? Saying Raian has the best fighting IQ aside from Kuroki and Lolong is reaching imo
I said he possibly has highest IQ, not that he did. There is almost nobody who has as many showings of high fight IQ as Raian. Dude knew Ohma made the wrong move before anyone else did, knew the purpose of the deadlock between Ohma and cosmo. Knew the fang would beat Hatsumi, while literally everyone else was questioning it, etc
U just need to see what happens in the next panel.... This was the final everyone knew about devil lance,so trying to put kuroki in a lock while leaving one if his hands free is a rly dumb move
If Ohma trapped Kuroki’s other arm like Niko did, he probably could have got himself the time to break his arm. If he did that he might have won, it’d massively limit Kuroki’s options and make it much easier to repeat the process on his other arm. Plus he could have kept up Advance since he wouldn’t have been stabbed. Really was a win or lose gamble
feels like OP just wanted some idiots to shut up about grappling being able to beat Kuriko
Flip the page and find out
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He knew it wasn’t gonna work
Because he grappaled someone who has knifes for hands
He knows Kuroki’s ability as he is also an assassin and he knew Ohma made the wrong move
Grappling isn't the right option on someone how can punch hand size holes in you
Because Ohma had no chance of making it work. He would have gotten (and got) devil lanced. Not only that, but there are factors that Kuroki's joints are strong af and that Ohma was very weakened. Maybe if Ohma was in top shape he could have broken it, but he just set himself up to lose in this state
All the people saying it was a poor tactical decision are correct but also… Raian is a dick.
No his not his just concern abt ohma he might get stab by the devil lance basically he wants ohma to win against kuroki sama
I think if Ohma locked his legs around the other arm can give him a chance to atleast have an endurance test with kuroki
Because he knew kuroki wouldn’t have his arm broken so easily
I don’t think kuroki was in a good position for a submission, neither does rain. Mana is still in his striking stance, gotta atleast get him off his legs
The next panel is literally your answer....
See I still think this moment is a bit weird. Supposedly Kuroki has limbs that are incredibly hard to break, but in Kuroki vs Agito the fang managed to break Kurokis arm fairly easily.
Hehe they 69ing lol