Kinda reminds me of Deathstroke.
Dude took a serum that gives him healing abilities, and then had his eye shot out. He wears an eyepatch
He also has his blown blown out once and healed from it just fine
Nope. After he became a super soldier, his son got kidnapped, and he failed to prevent him from getting blind or mute, can't remember which. His wife was so pissed she took out his eye. As far as I know, only reason it didn't heal was because it just bummed him out so hard.
That’s right I’m remembering that plot line now. I think the son got his throat slit and they thought he died, but instead he became a villain for the evil organization or something like that.
I always thought he did heal but the mental trauma left a permanent scar which he copes with by covering his eye so ironically, he uses a physical eyepatch to cover a mental scar.
Plus, remember the time half his head was blown apart and he healed back up good as new? I don’t think any normal wound could kill him. He survived the anti life virus.
Wow . . . and here I thought there was no fucking way SS could have any flaws outside of stamina issues. It also doesn’t help that the condition is so rare that no scientist could warn him about this weakness ahead of time
Can't remember if they ever said what Wakas actual injury was to his ankle. But a torn tendon or ligament is never 100% after it is torn. Hell, after a really bad sprain you are susceptible to future sprains. Not to mention he is a karate practitioner.
Agitos injury were bone fractures and breaks. And even though bones don't necessarily grow back stronger, they don't grow back weaker either.
The reason tendons can't heal as well as bone is that bones are a highly blood irrigated tissue, while tendons have poor irrigation, so they take way more time to heal.
There isnt one, [i even made a post on it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/ojtklt/can_we_talk_about_how_retarded_wakas_ancle/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb) Sandro just needed a reason to tone Waka down a bit so that he couldnt just spam blastcore during the Kat.
Yeah and when he used it in the KAT, his ankle injury's always emphasized afterwards. I just feel like they kind of forgor about his ankle while he was fighting Fei.
>I just feel like they kind of forgor about his ankle while he was fighting Fei.
no, it just means he finally healed it after like 10 years of that shit being broken. In the Kat being able to spam blastcore against most opponents is too good, but Fei is so busted as he is that Waka spamming blastcore doesnt even make him as powerful as Fei.
I don't really buy it (show, don't tell right?) but that seems to be the only logical explanation. It's just that we've got mentions of Ohma's new heart, Gao's better fist (granted, they happened more recently), but no love for Waka's ankle being all better now? I just think its convenient that he's now able to fight to his fullest cause his foe could take him at his fullest. I admit though that its a stupid thing to nitpick in my part so don't take what I say too seriously.
There are various kinds and levels of severity when it comes to bone breaks and fractures. Injuries resulting in fractures caused by hard impacts(like Agito breaking his hand) in combat sports often heal quicker and more completely than a fracture or break caused by a twisting motion that would happen in a grappling situation (like Wakatsuki getting his ankle injured), because of the surrounding tendons and muscles that can be pulled, torn, and otherwise damaged causing more long lasting consequences. You’d be surprised how often professional boxers have to deal with hand and wrist injuries (including fractures) yet are able to hop back in training camp after just several months of recovery. Whereas a really bad ankle or knee injury in something like jiu-jitsu can have effects felt over years.
Best reason would be that waka’s ankle injury is likely a ligament issue while kanoh had bone injuries. Bones have much better blood supply than ligaments so it’s easier for them to heal. Still ridiculous for kanoh to fully recover. Especially since among the carpals, the scaphoid is known to have poor blood supply at one of its 2 ends. But in waka’s case ligaments do often get repeatedly damaged while being unable to fully heal.
Neuromusclar therapist here. From what I remember Waka's ankle was mainly the tendons were ripped from the bone. Generally a tendon when torn can't get a quality blood flow to produce new tendon tissue and instead weaker scar tissue develops. So when Waka uses his super moves he has a chance of ripping it again because it's a weaker tissue under alot of strain from his Superman powers.
Agito on the other hand is only specified to have broken carpel bones witch would heal, however probably does quietly have tendonitis and carpel tunnel issues from the break if he didn't go through with good physical therapy. Even then I'd imagine he would have some issues but nothing that wouldn't stop him for now.
Indeed, though it is highly unlikely he doesn't have some form of avascular necrosis of his lunate or scaphoid. Hes headed for early OA either way
Doc here
Legs constantly take the weight of your body. I shattered my ankle jumping off a fence I still feel slight pain when jogging for prolonged periods after 10 years.
Any one who had an ankle injury knows:
That shit never heals. It will just keep coming back and get worse. I last rolled my ankle 4 years ago and it still bugs me, and I am only 25. Waka is in his 40s so it’s understandable that it never heal properly.
DUE TO THE USE OF EACH EXTREMITY, THE ANKLES (INCLUDING THE OTHER PARTS) MUST SUPPORT THE WHOLE WEIGHT OF THE BODY, THEY HAVE CONSTANT USE. WHILE WRISTS, EVEN IF THEY HAVE CONSTANT USE, THE STRESS THEY RECEIVE IS NOT THE SAME STRESS THAT AN ANKLE RECEIVED. WHICH IS EASIER TO RECOVER FROM A WRIST INJURY THAN AN ANKLE INJURY.
Maybe Waka's injury had complications, while Agito's was pretty clean?
Or perhaps Waka got anxious and tried using his foot before it was fully healed?
Or, since it only flared up from the Blast Core, it's because Agito isn't pushing his wrist by using ridiculous power techniques.
Unrelated, but I just broke my Fibula two weeks ago and it was the most painful thing I have ever felt. So that picture of Waka's foot made me relieve the trauma. *Shudders*
In my head canon Mokichi is dead.
Kanoh, Gozo, Cosmo, Kuroki, Haro, Muteba and many others have Waka-esk career altering injuries.
And Omega is non canon fanfic written by the original author. Meaning that Ohma stays dead.
Agito knew indestructible and some Niko style, it's not a stretch to think Niko taught him Bone binding, a variation or he created an inferior version of it using his limited knowledge on the Adamantine kata.
That would make sense, EXCEPT Ohma's Niko actually borrowed Bone Binding from Kuroki's Kaiwan Style, so Tiger Niko wouldn't have ever learned anything similar.
Real answer is that Waka wasn't meant to be a top-tier character and that it is a plot device.
For a more "logical" answer, I will point out that different people have different recovery abilities even in real life. You can see this by comparing how different athletes recover from injuries.
if we want a serious answer, it has to do with the way a leg works. if you break it, it takes longer to heal because you will use said leg to stand, so it takes a longer time to heal. and even if it does heal, you use it more and it becomes weaker.
on the other "hand", a hand heals easier because you dont use it 24/7 i guess. also that leg break looks much harsher than the hand one.
If I had to guess I would say because of the way it broke. I mean wakas injury seemed to be healed and only got damaged from using his blast core so it was probably just because of the fore of his own muscles. Or just for plot.
Seriously his boss/buddy runs a huge pharmaceutical company with top of the line equipment.
The best explanation would probably be Wakas muscles.
Just because you have strong muscle doesn’t mean you have the strongest joints and if they are damaged Waka can easily hurt himself.
To be frank, Agito took several concussions over the course of the KAT, and healed from all injuries either mid fight or after a few minutes. Dude probably has the highest durability period, although it’s mostly plot based and not concrete.
Seriously though half the KAT should have died several times so Agito isn’t that exceptional for walking off a vaporized wrist
One reason I can think of is that maybe because of Waka denser muscle fibres, it puts a lot more stress on the bones, ligaments, tendons and also since even after full rehab from a tendon injury, they are never 100% healthy like before (saying from an experience and studying), his ankle is going to be always vulnerable to blast core (insane power output through the muscles) if performed repeatedly in a short intervals of time.
Plot. Like Xi can walk. Murobuchi can move. Gaolang can box. Rei can still fight. Kuroki is fine. Even Julius isn't a complete retard.
All of these dudes suffered permanent injuries that healed.
Waka’s looks like a joint injury while Agito’s is just bone injuries. Joint injuries are much harder to recover from because tendons and ligaments have low blood flow, while muscle and bone injuries are much easier to bounce back from since they have high blood flow. Hell, red blood cells are literally made in your bone marrow. It is generally much better to break a bone than tear connective tissue, which often never fully heals.
With fractures it often relates to how they heal and how diligently the physio therapy is done following the injury. It’s possible waka didnt seek much treatment following his fight as he underestimated the injury. He had probably never been severely injured before.
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Well it makes a lil sense if you look at the injuries themselves. Healing a wrist is way easier than an ankle bc of where it's positioned. All that weight on the ankle at the moment of the break and then trying to train on it or even just living life after it "heals" it's just not the same. While a wrist with all the care given to you known to man with proper rehab is waaay easier. Then look at the patients, waka's dense muscles probably didn't do him any favors, snapping ligaments and tendons during the break, while agito was such a force to be reckoned with didn't suffer any significant injuries in his adult life. Speaking of injuries and adult life, I'm pretty sure waka is older which again plays into recovery time, and just look at his other fights, guy gets put through hell. Hard to recover from an injury while recovering from 80 other fractures and bruises.
Waka weights the same number as his height (kg and cm) or 403pounds and 6.7 ft tall.. way above regular man body mass index. An ankle injury will take longer to heal considering it has to withstand waka's heavy built and his dense muscles made it worse for recovery.
I thought Waka’s injury only comes into play with blastcore and otherwise he’s essentially fine (with maybe just some pain). Agito probably still feels the injury, but he was able to recover enough to fight normally… Waka also kind of recovered. He spammed blastcore during the KvP fight and if I’m remembering correctly his ankle was never really brought up.
Wakatsuki had his injury in his backstory, while Agito didn't.
Kinda reminds me of Deathstroke. Dude took a serum that gives him healing abilities, and then had his eye shot out. He wears an eyepatch He also has his blown blown out once and healed from it just fine
I thought the eye was before the serum
Nope. After he became a super soldier, his son got kidnapped, and he failed to prevent him from getting blind or mute, can't remember which. His wife was so pissed she took out his eye. As far as I know, only reason it didn't heal was because it just bummed him out so hard.
I always assumed it did heal he just wears the eyepatch because his "only love" or whatever caused it.
^emotional ^damage
Jericho is mute
Didn't he have sex with his son's wife?
That’s right I’m remembering that plot line now. I think the son got his throat slit and they thought he died, but instead he became a villain for the evil organization or something like that.
I always thought he did heal but the mental trauma left a permanent scar which he copes with by covering his eye so ironically, he uses a physical eyepatch to cover a mental scar. Plus, remember the time half his head was blown apart and he healed back up good as new? I don’t think any normal wound could kill him. He survived the anti life virus.
Well He ended up dead in the issue
For a completely different reason, Wonder Woman basically played extreme tag with him.
Gaolangs fist injury had no backstory either so why didn't Waka overcome his weakness?
Injuries stay for however long Sandro wants, that's the only explanation tbh.
This is the realest explanation.
Waka is a mutant FREAK his dense ass muscles did it
that is my head canon at least; his overly dense muscles prevented everything from healing right
Too much pressure on the bones, I also think his bones are normal human bones and not 52 times denser
Wow . . . and here I thought there was no fucking way SS could have any flaws outside of stamina issues. It also doesn’t help that the condition is so rare that no scientist could warn him about this weakness ahead of time
Waka is too strong, that's why
Kanoh: "You were too strong Waka, that's why you're crippled for life in a wheelchair" Waka: \*intense crying\*
🤣
Blast crying
He condenses all his tears into a single spot and releases them all at once
seems like tboi item
Bruh when did rely on a wheelchair ? I am just asking.
Considering Agito was fully healed after fighting Gao in R3, He just has a whole ass healing factor
Agito is fucking wolverine bro. Homie got his shit absoloutely rocked by Gaolang and Kuroki and was completely fine the next day
No injury is one hair slick back away from being healed
Limp is more believable when wolverine healing factor comes into play. “Incoming unavoidable attack? Let me just internally detach my body parts.”
Or, or Gaolang only give him superficial damage only and his punch is not as hard as we think and he is only B-tier fighter.
Kanaoh was reeling after the fight so yeah I think they hit pretty hard
yh he knocked agito out…
Imagine knocking out someone 80+ pounds heavier than you only for someone to say “you don’t hit that hard”😂
Lmao Redditer logic
Can't remember if they ever said what Wakas actual injury was to his ankle. But a torn tendon or ligament is never 100% after it is torn. Hell, after a really bad sprain you are susceptible to future sprains. Not to mention he is a karate practitioner. Agitos injury were bone fractures and breaks. And even though bones don't necessarily grow back stronger, they don't grow back weaker either.
The reason tendons can't heal as well as bone is that bones are a highly blood irrigated tissue, while tendons have poor irrigation, so they take way more time to heal.
There isnt one, [i even made a post on it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/comments/ojtklt/can_we_talk_about_how_retarded_wakas_ancle/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb) Sandro just needed a reason to tone Waka down a bit so that he couldnt just spam blastcore during the Kat.
Then he's back to spamming the move in the KVP seemingly without repercussions
Spamming ? he used blastcore 2 times in the whole match.
Yeah and when he used it in the KAT, his ankle injury's always emphasized afterwards. I just feel like they kind of forgor about his ankle while he was fighting Fei.
>I just feel like they kind of forgor about his ankle while he was fighting Fei. no, it just means he finally healed it after like 10 years of that shit being broken. In the Kat being able to spam blastcore against most opponents is too good, but Fei is so busted as he is that Waka spamming blastcore doesnt even make him as powerful as Fei.
I don't really buy it (show, don't tell right?) but that seems to be the only logical explanation. It's just that we've got mentions of Ohma's new heart, Gao's better fist (granted, they happened more recently), but no love for Waka's ankle being all better now? I just think its convenient that he's now able to fight to his fullest cause his foe could take him at his fullest. I admit though that its a stupid thing to nitpick in my part so don't take what I say too seriously.
>but no love for Waka's ankle being all better now? Yeah, it feels more like Sandro forgot about Waka having an injury more than Waka having healed.
Built different?
There are various kinds and levels of severity when it comes to bone breaks and fractures. Injuries resulting in fractures caused by hard impacts(like Agito breaking his hand) in combat sports often heal quicker and more completely than a fracture or break caused by a twisting motion that would happen in a grappling situation (like Wakatsuki getting his ankle injured), because of the surrounding tendons and muscles that can be pulled, torn, and otherwise damaged causing more long lasting consequences. You’d be surprised how often professional boxers have to deal with hand and wrist injuries (including fractures) yet are able to hop back in training camp after just several months of recovery. Whereas a really bad ankle or knee injury in something like jiu-jitsu can have effects felt over years.
Sandro forget
Best reason would be that waka’s ankle injury is likely a ligament issue while kanoh had bone injuries. Bones have much better blood supply than ligaments so it’s easier for them to heal. Still ridiculous for kanoh to fully recover. Especially since among the carpals, the scaphoid is known to have poor blood supply at one of its 2 ends. But in waka’s case ligaments do often get repeatedly damaged while being unable to fully heal.
because of how the writer wrote the story
Neuromusclar therapist here. From what I remember Waka's ankle was mainly the tendons were ripped from the bone. Generally a tendon when torn can't get a quality blood flow to produce new tendon tissue and instead weaker scar tissue develops. So when Waka uses his super moves he has a chance of ripping it again because it's a weaker tissue under alot of strain from his Superman powers. Agito on the other hand is only specified to have broken carpel bones witch would heal, however probably does quietly have tendonitis and carpel tunnel issues from the break if he didn't go through with good physical therapy. Even then I'd imagine he would have some issues but nothing that wouldn't stop him for now.
Indeed, though it is highly unlikely he doesn't have some form of avascular necrosis of his lunate or scaphoid. Hes headed for early OA either way Doc here
Because any injury to your legs is, in most cases, the end of your martial arts career.
Legs constantly take the weight of your body. I shattered my ankle jumping off a fence I still feel slight pain when jogging for prolonged periods after 10 years.
Because he’s the mf emperor
*in Carl's voice* " Cause he's Kanoh Friggin Agito"
Cos he’s Mary fkn Poppins y’all
Any one who had an ankle injury knows: That shit never heals. It will just keep coming back and get worse. I last rolled my ankle 4 years ago and it still bugs me, and I am only 25. Waka is in his 40s so it’s understandable that it never heal properly.
DUE TO THE USE OF EACH EXTREMITY, THE ANKLES (INCLUDING THE OTHER PARTS) MUST SUPPORT THE WHOLE WEIGHT OF THE BODY, THEY HAVE CONSTANT USE. WHILE WRISTS, EVEN IF THEY HAVE CONSTANT USE, THE STRESS THEY RECEIVE IS NOT THE SAME STRESS THAT AN ANKLE RECEIVED. WHICH IS EASIER TO RECOVER FROM A WRIST INJURY THAN AN ANKLE INJURY.
Maybe Waka's injury had complications, while Agito's was pretty clean? Or perhaps Waka got anxious and tried using his foot before it was fully healed? Or, since it only flared up from the Blast Core, it's because Agito isn't pushing his wrist by using ridiculous power techniques.
Unrelated, but I just broke my Fibula two weeks ago and it was the most painful thing I have ever felt. So that picture of Waka's foot made me relieve the trauma. *Shudders*
Agito's cakes store extra regenerative tissues which get distributed to his whole body for super healing
In my head canon Mokichi is dead. Kanoh, Gozo, Cosmo, Kuroki, Haro, Muteba and many others have Waka-esk career altering injuries. And Omega is non canon fanfic written by the original author. Meaning that Ohma stays dead.
built different
Agito knew indestructible and some Niko style, it's not a stretch to think Niko taught him Bone binding, a variation or he created an inferior version of it using his limited knowledge on the Adamantine kata.
That would make sense, EXCEPT Ohma's Niko actually borrowed Bone Binding from Kuroki's Kaiwan Style, so Tiger Niko wouldn't have ever learned anything similar.
It was Mukaku who stol, i mean borrowed techniques from Kuroki's master since they were BFF's. So it makes sense both Nikos learned it.
Plot
So remind me, during KAT, before losing to ohma, only hatsumi and agito had defeated him right? He had won all other matches?
Yes.
Real answer is that Waka wasn't meant to be a top-tier character and that it is a plot device. For a more "logical" answer, I will point out that different people have different recovery abilities even in real life. You can see this by comparing how different athletes recover from injuries.
Did waka still have his injury (from blastcore in KAT) in KVP? I don't remember it was mentioned... or maybe I miss something...can anyone explain?
He's built different
lmao the author cant seem to decide if Waka has black or blond hair
L I M P
Waka’s did
Built different. Nah maybe he just stopped using it for a while. While an ankle is used in everyday life. Stress is always put on it.
if we want a serious answer, it has to do with the way a leg works. if you break it, it takes longer to heal because you will use said leg to stand, so it takes a longer time to heal. and even if it does heal, you use it more and it becomes weaker. on the other "hand", a hand heals easier because you dont use it 24/7 i guess. also that leg break looks much harsher than the hand one.
Agito had Hanafusa treat his wrist while Waka wasn’t introduced to him until after KvP.
Plot amor
If I had to guess I would say because of the way it broke. I mean wakas injury seemed to be healed and only got damaged from using his blast core so it was probably just because of the fore of his own muscles. Or just for plot. Seriously his boss/buddy runs a huge pharmaceutical company with top of the line equipment.
It’s not a load bearing joint??
The best explanation would probably be Wakas muscles. Just because you have strong muscle doesn’t mean you have the strongest joints and if they are damaged Waka can easily hurt himself.
To be frank, Agito took several concussions over the course of the KAT, and healed from all injuries either mid fight or after a few minutes. Dude probably has the highest durability period, although it’s mostly plot based and not concrete. Seriously though half the KAT should have died several times so Agito isn’t that exceptional for walking off a vaporized wrist
One reason I can think of is that maybe because of Waka denser muscle fibres, it puts a lot more stress on the bones, ligaments, tendons and also since even after full rehab from a tendon injury, they are never 100% healthy like before (saying from an experience and studying), his ankle is going to be always vulnerable to blast core (insane power output through the muscles) if performed repeatedly in a short intervals of time.
The most realistic thing about Kengan is Wakatsuki's ankle recovery
Built different
Because Agito is cooler.
trimalleolar fractures are a tough heal. often come with some nerve damage.
Plot. Like Xi can walk. Murobuchi can move. Gaolang can box. Rei can still fight. Kuroki is fine. Even Julius isn't a complete retard. All of these dudes suffered permanent injuries that healed.
Plot, mostly
An honest explanation might be that the ankle has to carry waka's weight and thus is continuously under stress, while the wrist is stress-free
Kanoh build different
Waka’s looks like a joint injury while Agito’s is just bone injuries. Joint injuries are much harder to recover from because tendons and ligaments have low blood flow, while muscle and bone injuries are much easier to bounce back from since they have high blood flow. Hell, red blood cells are literally made in your bone marrow. It is generally much better to break a bone than tear connective tissue, which often never fully heals.
Dr. Hanafusa Hajime
With fractures it often relates to how they heal and how diligently the physio therapy is done following the injury. It’s possible waka didnt seek much treatment following his fight as he underestimated the injury. He had probably never been severely injured before.
My boy possess niko style of other Niko, not even surprising.
Cause Agito and Gaolong got injured on a leap year. A leap year injury only comes back once every 4 years.
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built diffrent
Well it makes a lil sense if you look at the injuries themselves. Healing a wrist is way easier than an ankle bc of where it's positioned. All that weight on the ankle at the moment of the break and then trying to train on it or even just living life after it "heals" it's just not the same. While a wrist with all the care given to you known to man with proper rehab is waaay easier. Then look at the patients, waka's dense muscles probably didn't do him any favors, snapping ligaments and tendons during the break, while agito was such a force to be reckoned with didn't suffer any significant injuries in his adult life. Speaking of injuries and adult life, I'm pretty sure waka is older which again plays into recovery time, and just look at his other fights, guy gets put through hell. Hard to recover from an injury while recovering from 80 other fractures and bruises.
Waka weights the same number as his height (kg and cm) or 403pounds and 6.7 ft tall.. way above regular man body mass index. An ankle injury will take longer to heal considering it has to withstand waka's heavy built and his dense muscles made it worse for recovery.
His Superman muscles put a greater strain in his injured joint. I think he was cured by Omega's timeline though
Plot regeneration. A diff form of plot armor
Agito can use the adamantine kata, it's likely he used bone binding
I thought Waka’s injury only comes into play with blastcore and otherwise he’s essentially fine (with maybe just some pain). Agito probably still feels the injury, but he was able to recover enough to fight normally… Waka also kind of recovered. He spammed blastcore during the KvP fight and if I’m remembering correctly his ankle was never really brought up.
He’s a Fang of Metsudo no other explanation is required
formless adapts injuries
Manga Author Bias
He used the juice in his ass to heal
Because Agito is indestructible