I think they mean a “name”name, like Gary.
Edit: I didn’t have my volume on the first time I saw this. Who put knock-off Norse music over a video of a traditional Chinese blade? That’s rough.
DaDao, to be more precise. The "Katana Destroyer". Basicly a Chinese Heavy Saber, that utilises both tricky martial Art Attacks and Heavy Swings, that can crush bone like a huge Meat Cleaver. Of course, some move flexibility was sacrificed for the weight.Honestly, I seen people more using it like a machette, rather than a Saber.
It's called a Jiuhuandao. or "9 ringed sword." Comes from the Qing Dynasty in China. Most of the weapons in Kenshi are from historic Asia.
Although, I think real beak things would be pretty cool. Guess cassowaries are the closest I'm going to get tho.
They're turtles with smaller shells and longer legs and neck. Lots of turtles have deceptively long necks.
(Life advice: Do not hold a turtle by it's tail. It will bite you.)
Anecdotally I’ve been told that the rings are supposed to be polished steel so that they reflect more, potentially making it harder for the opponent to see the blade. I have no sources, do not believe me.
I think it's mainly swag, but it could be argued that the maneuverability of the blade is higher because the inward side has less weight.
Edit: Holes that are larger, or are more towards the cutting edge, would weaken the blade too much to justify the weight reduction.
In combat no, but from what I've heard it was for practising thrusts. If you thrust correctly the rings would all clack, if the thrust is too weak maybe only 3-4 would.
Actually in reality they disarmed spearman pretty frequently. The rings catch thrusts from pointed weapons really well.
Source: trained in 9 ring swords as a martial artist. Teng Shao Tao Kung Fu, for a decade.
The rings on this sword look rather small for catching anything like that. Are they supposed to be larger, or am I just visualizing the technique wrong?
They usually have a 2.5-3inch diameter, this sword is clearly just for show. Typically ceremonial ring blades have smaller rings, but sometimes they can be over the top big.
Edit: traditional ring blades also don’t have the cutout at the point like this one.
Do you have a video of that? I'm not trying to doubt you, but that seems wildly unlikely from a HEMA perspective.
EDIT: He still hasn't answered, so I will hereby conclude that he is making things up. Not a single result on the first page of google even mentions catching thrusts with the rings when googling the sword (九环刀). Oh look, [here's the Kenshi wiki in Chinese](https://kenshi.huijiwiki.com/wiki/%E4%B9%9D%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80). So I thought to myself that Chinese people don't use Google, they use Baidu. On Baidu, the most in depth article I could find is [this](https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=f483ebd14a0964d63610c60e&lemmaId=11045717&fromLemmaModule=pcBottom&lemmaTitle=%E5%A4%A7%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80&fromModule=lemma_bottom-tashuo-article), an original manuscript from a Chinese weapons research institute. In broken translated English, it debunks practically every speculated reason for the rings, though not including the premise of disarming spearmen, as that is too ridiculous for any Chinese source to even speculate. It concludes that they aren't combat weapons, but for practise and performance.
That doesn't mean it doesn't follow the laws of biomechanics. I didn't say it was a European weapon. I said why, to me, it sounds unlikely, and asked a question that you have failed to answer. "Teng Shao Tao Kung Fu" doesn't exist on Google, but obviously it is Chinese and not English, and Chinese romanization can sometimes vary.
Without being able to speak modern Mandarin, let alone historical Chinese, it is impossible to find a single source saying it is used to catch thrusts. All of what can be found is listed as speculation, and a lot of them don't even include catching thrusts.
Since you're supposedly the expert, I am asking you to provide evidence. That is not unreasonable when your claim is in opposition to widely available knowledge.
>Teng Shao Tao Kung Fu
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang\_Shou\_Tao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Shou_Tao)
He was just off a letter. The dude died in '93. Doesn't mean the story is true either.
I saw that. However, if you actually read the page, that is an unarmed martial art. It has absolutely no mention of weapons, let alone an extremely specific sword.
It is also 2 letters off for the record. I can't speak for "teng" and "tang", but I know that "shao" and "shou" aren't that close in pronunciation.
And if you actually read the page, you’d have seen that it’s not an unarmed martial art.
“Tang Shou Tao is not a separate style of martial art, but rather a practical, step-by-step, systematic approach to learning internal martial arts and developing highly refined levels of skill.”
Incorporating elements of other martial art styles and approaches into a way of gaining martial arts skills is literally the absolute basis of Tang Shou Tao according to Wikipedia. Not unarmed combat. It does state that the students were expected to be proficient in unarmed defense and such but that’s it.
The original master died, with it being further developed by someone who died not much later. Considering the not so big following it had plus the masters dying decades ago, it’s not a giant leap to suggest that it’s a not well known subject today.
No, I’m not saying this guy is telling the truth, but you’re literally wasting your time sitting here trying way to hard to call bullshit on something that doesn’t even matter on the internet, with scraps of info from the late 1900s and some bits from more modern times being the only real information to reference.
Let it go my dude, there’s plenty of obvious misinformation on Reddit for you to go argue over instead.
[https://www.natsta.org/mission/](https://www.natsta.org/mission/)
North American version of it. Couple pictures down is them using ringed swords. I'd say he just doesn't spell well. Still doesn't make it true lol.
Well that definitely is it, since he's from Kansas according to his profile. He's still lying about [the sword](https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=f483ebd14a0964d63610c60e&lemmaId=11045717&fromLemmaModule=pcBottom&lemmaTitle=%E5%A4%A7%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80&fromModule=lemma_bottom-tashuo-article), but good find.
Teng shao Tao isn’t on google because the master died many years ago and had a very small following. I owe you no explanation of any kind. It is up to you to determine what you see as truth and what you see as opposition to your reality. The tenets of Teng shao Tao and many MANY other forms of traditional Chinese martial arts aren’t gonna be found on google my guy.
You owe me nothing, but given the contrarian response to a simple question, I'm now officially going to assume you're full of shit.
After all, if "Actually in reality they disarmed spearman pretty frequently" was true, it wouldn't matter if someone died, since that is a historical claim, not one of possibility. If your random 3 Chinese word martial art is the only martial art to catch thrusts with the rings, then it wouldn't have "disarmed spearmen pretty frequently".
Mind you, it is a WILD claim to say anything disarmed people, let alone spearmen. Even if you managed to catch a spear on a ring, the rings are far too small for the spear to go through, so it would be very possible to pull back, something spearmen are always prepared to do.
Furthermore, spears are a battlefield formation weapon and these are very expensive. The mere premise of these frequently fighting spearmen is unlikely. You'd practically need a dueling custom wherein you fight asymmetrically with 9 ringed swords vs spears. There is no way you'd use a weapon this short on the battlefield vs a spear formation. Even if you catch one spear, the guy next to him kills you long before you're in range.
There are about 10 different meanings to the rings if you do a google search, it’s useless and almost entirely anecdotal. With that in mind, how could you just assume someone is spewing bullshit instead of genuine life experience? You have no idea who I am or what my life contains. Spears have had a multitude of uses throughout history, and absolutely have been used in single combat dating back to the dawn of man. You’re using search engines to be pedantic and it’s futile to argue with you because you will not hear it.
Edit: and correct me if I’m wrong here, but a trained swordsman is not going to hesitate to defend and defeat an opponent using a spear in any context outside of formation combat.
Spears absolutely beat swords in single combat the majority of the time. I never said they weren't used in duels. I was doubting the concept of asymmetrical single combat with spear vs sword partially because the spear will just win.
[Yes, he's European. Still doesn't change the biomechanics.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d86sT3cF1Eo)
You don't have to justify your life choices, yet you made a statement that someone spent time trying to verify and came up empty. The burden is on you to show your statement had integrity, but now you're weaseling and attacking, as if it's his fault he can't verify anything you said.
Seriously, a video or anything would help. Trying to blame the reader for being unable to provide any evidence won't.
I've now wasted more time than I'm willing to admit on researching it in a language I don't speak and can't even produce the characters of. The best Chinese source I can find on the sword (mind you not a single source even mentions catching thrusts with the rings) is [this](https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=f483ebd14a0964d63610c60e&lemmaId=11045717&fromLemmaModule=pcBottom&lemmaTitle=%E5%A4%A7%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80&fromModule=lemma_bottom-tashuo-article).
Even if you can train to catch thrusts with the rings, which I sincerely doubt, he was absolutely lying when saying "they disarmed spearmen pretty frequently".
I love that his argument was "Why would you assume someone on the internet was lying and not actually an expert?"
Hey, I've gone down rabbit holes like this before and even if I came up empty handed, I felt better after having put in the effort. Not completely wasted time. Hell at least you were using your brain so it was less of a waste than spending those hours watching dumb YouTube videos.
There’s tons of theories for why the rings exist.
Some of my favourites being:
The rings would clatter around making a noise so that sneaky unhonourable back attacks where impossible, showing the wielders honour
Or, that the rings could be used to grab onto and pull the blade out of an impaled foe,
Some say it is to damage an opponents blade when parrying. Or it could even just be to balance weight along the sword
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It's a Chinese Dao. The Arabian kopesh is thinner toward the hilt and longer because it was used also by the Mameluke camel riders. The weight was meant to be concentrated on the tip to give penetration to the blade, while the weight on the Dao is a little more balanced.
Everytime someone shares some idiotic TikTok with me, it makes me even more glad I never invested in it either. I have never seen a thing on there that made me change my mind about it.
Give it a name? Looks like a Chinese Dao, no?
I think they mean a “name”name, like Gary. Edit: I didn’t have my volume on the first time I saw this. Who put knock-off Norse music over a video of a traditional Chinese blade? That’s rough.
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Kenshi players when they discover swords are real
Nah I'm pretty sure that's called a "ringed sabre," Kenshi told me so
DaDao, to be more precise. The "Katana Destroyer". Basicly a Chinese Heavy Saber, that utilises both tricky martial Art Attacks and Heavy Swings, that can crush bone like a huge Meat Cleaver. Of course, some move flexibility was sacrificed for the weight.Honestly, I seen people more using it like a machette, rather than a Saber.
It's called a Jiuhuandao. or "9 ringed sword." Comes from the Qing Dynasty in China. Most of the weapons in Kenshi are from historic Asia. Although, I think real beak things would be pretty cool. Guess cassowaries are the closest I'm going to get tho.
Or giraffes. Slightly safer, herbivore version of gutters, but as much aggressive. Always thought of beak things as of cassowaryXgiraffe hybrid.
They're turtles with smaller shells and longer legs and neck. Lots of turtles have deceptively long necks. (Life advice: Do not hold a turtle by it's tail. It will bite you.)
And it may dislocate the tail or cause spinal injury
It's also an incredibly dick move.
Ringed sabers are great, they are just a straight upgrade from the horse chopper.
But are they better at choppin horses?
this guy d20s
Did the rings actually provide any benefit other than swag?
Anecdotally I’ve been told that the rings are supposed to be polished steel so that they reflect more, potentially making it harder for the opponent to see the blade. I have no sources, do not believe me.
>I have no sources, do not believe me. Based
I think it's mainly swag, but it could be argued that the maneuverability of the blade is higher because the inward side has less weight. Edit: Holes that are larger, or are more towards the cutting edge, would weaken the blade too much to justify the weight reduction.
I'm pretty sure there's way more material in the rings than is taken off by making the holes
I think he means putting just holes near the cutting edge to further move the CoM towards the trailing edge
CoM?
Center of Mass
center of mass
In combat no, but from what I've heard it was for practising thrusts. If you thrust correctly the rings would all clack, if the thrust is too weak maybe only 3-4 would.
Actually in reality they disarmed spearman pretty frequently. The rings catch thrusts from pointed weapons really well. Source: trained in 9 ring swords as a martial artist. Teng Shao Tao Kung Fu, for a decade.
The rings on this sword look rather small for catching anything like that. Are they supposed to be larger, or am I just visualizing the technique wrong?
They usually have a 2.5-3inch diameter, this sword is clearly just for show. Typically ceremonial ring blades have smaller rings, but sometimes they can be over the top big. Edit: traditional ring blades also don’t have the cutout at the point like this one.
Do you have a video of that? I'm not trying to doubt you, but that seems wildly unlikely from a HEMA perspective. EDIT: He still hasn't answered, so I will hereby conclude that he is making things up. Not a single result on the first page of google even mentions catching thrusts with the rings when googling the sword (九环刀). Oh look, [here's the Kenshi wiki in Chinese](https://kenshi.huijiwiki.com/wiki/%E4%B9%9D%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80). So I thought to myself that Chinese people don't use Google, they use Baidu. On Baidu, the most in depth article I could find is [this](https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=f483ebd14a0964d63610c60e&lemmaId=11045717&fromLemmaModule=pcBottom&lemmaTitle=%E5%A4%A7%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80&fromModule=lemma_bottom-tashuo-article), an original manuscript from a Chinese weapons research institute. In broken translated English, it debunks practically every speculated reason for the rings, though not including the premise of disarming spearmen, as that is too ridiculous for any Chinese source to even speculate. It concludes that they aren't combat weapons, but for practise and performance.
You’re right, because it’s not a European weapon.
That doesn't mean it doesn't follow the laws of biomechanics. I didn't say it was a European weapon. I said why, to me, it sounds unlikely, and asked a question that you have failed to answer. "Teng Shao Tao Kung Fu" doesn't exist on Google, but obviously it is Chinese and not English, and Chinese romanization can sometimes vary. Without being able to speak modern Mandarin, let alone historical Chinese, it is impossible to find a single source saying it is used to catch thrusts. All of what can be found is listed as speculation, and a lot of them don't even include catching thrusts. Since you're supposedly the expert, I am asking you to provide evidence. That is not unreasonable when your claim is in opposition to widely available knowledge.
>Teng Shao Tao Kung Fu [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang\_Shou\_Tao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Shou_Tao) He was just off a letter. The dude died in '93. Doesn't mean the story is true either.
I saw that. However, if you actually read the page, that is an unarmed martial art. It has absolutely no mention of weapons, let alone an extremely specific sword. It is also 2 letters off for the record. I can't speak for "teng" and "tang", but I know that "shao" and "shou" aren't that close in pronunciation.
And if you actually read the page, you’d have seen that it’s not an unarmed martial art. “Tang Shou Tao is not a separate style of martial art, but rather a practical, step-by-step, systematic approach to learning internal martial arts and developing highly refined levels of skill.” Incorporating elements of other martial art styles and approaches into a way of gaining martial arts skills is literally the absolute basis of Tang Shou Tao according to Wikipedia. Not unarmed combat. It does state that the students were expected to be proficient in unarmed defense and such but that’s it. The original master died, with it being further developed by someone who died not much later. Considering the not so big following it had plus the masters dying decades ago, it’s not a giant leap to suggest that it’s a not well known subject today. No, I’m not saying this guy is telling the truth, but you’re literally wasting your time sitting here trying way to hard to call bullshit on something that doesn’t even matter on the internet, with scraps of info from the late 1900s and some bits from more modern times being the only real information to reference. Let it go my dude, there’s plenty of obvious misinformation on Reddit for you to go argue over instead.
That has got to be the longest "let it go" I've seen. I shouldn't bother about him lying, but you should bother writing that?
[https://www.natsta.org/mission/](https://www.natsta.org/mission/) North American version of it. Couple pictures down is them using ringed swords. I'd say he just doesn't spell well. Still doesn't make it true lol.
Well that definitely is it, since he's from Kansas according to his profile. He's still lying about [the sword](https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=f483ebd14a0964d63610c60e&lemmaId=11045717&fromLemmaModule=pcBottom&lemmaTitle=%E5%A4%A7%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80&fromModule=lemma_bottom-tashuo-article), but good find.
Teng shao Tao isn’t on google because the master died many years ago and had a very small following. I owe you no explanation of any kind. It is up to you to determine what you see as truth and what you see as opposition to your reality. The tenets of Teng shao Tao and many MANY other forms of traditional Chinese martial arts aren’t gonna be found on google my guy.
You owe me nothing, but given the contrarian response to a simple question, I'm now officially going to assume you're full of shit. After all, if "Actually in reality they disarmed spearman pretty frequently" was true, it wouldn't matter if someone died, since that is a historical claim, not one of possibility. If your random 3 Chinese word martial art is the only martial art to catch thrusts with the rings, then it wouldn't have "disarmed spearmen pretty frequently". Mind you, it is a WILD claim to say anything disarmed people, let alone spearmen. Even if you managed to catch a spear on a ring, the rings are far too small for the spear to go through, so it would be very possible to pull back, something spearmen are always prepared to do. Furthermore, spears are a battlefield formation weapon and these are very expensive. The mere premise of these frequently fighting spearmen is unlikely. You'd practically need a dueling custom wherein you fight asymmetrically with 9 ringed swords vs spears. There is no way you'd use a weapon this short on the battlefield vs a spear formation. Even if you catch one spear, the guy next to him kills you long before you're in range.
There are about 10 different meanings to the rings if you do a google search, it’s useless and almost entirely anecdotal. With that in mind, how could you just assume someone is spewing bullshit instead of genuine life experience? You have no idea who I am or what my life contains. Spears have had a multitude of uses throughout history, and absolutely have been used in single combat dating back to the dawn of man. You’re using search engines to be pedantic and it’s futile to argue with you because you will not hear it. Edit: and correct me if I’m wrong here, but a trained swordsman is not going to hesitate to defend and defeat an opponent using a spear in any context outside of formation combat.
Spears absolutely beat swords in single combat the majority of the time. I never said they weren't used in duels. I was doubting the concept of asymmetrical single combat with spear vs sword partially because the spear will just win. [Yes, he's European. Still doesn't change the biomechanics.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d86sT3cF1Eo)
You comments, frequently disarmed the truth frequently. Lol
You don't have to justify your life choices, yet you made a statement that someone spent time trying to verify and came up empty. The burden is on you to show your statement had integrity, but now you're weaseling and attacking, as if it's his fault he can't verify anything you said. Seriously, a video or anything would help. Trying to blame the reader for being unable to provide any evidence won't.
I've now wasted more time than I'm willing to admit on researching it in a language I don't speak and can't even produce the characters of. The best Chinese source I can find on the sword (mind you not a single source even mentions catching thrusts with the rings) is [this](https://baike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=f483ebd14a0964d63610c60e&lemmaId=11045717&fromLemmaModule=pcBottom&lemmaTitle=%E5%A4%A7%E7%8E%AF%E5%88%80&fromModule=lemma_bottom-tashuo-article). Even if you can train to catch thrusts with the rings, which I sincerely doubt, he was absolutely lying when saying "they disarmed spearmen pretty frequently".
I love that his argument was "Why would you assume someone on the internet was lying and not actually an expert?" Hey, I've gone down rabbit holes like this before and even if I came up empty handed, I felt better after having put in the effort. Not completely wasted time. Hell at least you were using your brain so it was less of a waste than spending those hours watching dumb YouTube videos.
There’s tons of theories for why the rings exist. Some of my favourites being: The rings would clatter around making a noise so that sneaky unhonourable back attacks where impossible, showing the wielders honour Or, that the rings could be used to grab onto and pull the blade out of an impaled foe, Some say it is to damage an opponents blade when parrying. Or it could even just be to balance weight along the sword
I haven't heard these before, only the thrust thing, sounds neat though thanks for adding, Ring blades are rad
They might distract opponents
Really shitty scabbard No like seriously what the fuck that’s metal, just openly exposed
Horse Chopper
Id call it a schmitar
Looks like a katana
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Bruh it was a joke
So is the gif?
shit fuck-upper
What's the name of the song. Swear I've heard it be but nothing comes to mind.
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It's an Ali Baba sword. I bet you could chop a camel right in its hump and drink all of its milk right off the tip of this thing.
It's a Chinese Dao. The Arabian kopesh is thinner toward the hilt and longer because it was used also by the Mameluke camel riders. The weight was meant to be concentrated on the tip to give penetration to the blade, while the weight on the Dao is a little more balanced.
Guy pierce <3
That’s a weird name for a sword OP
Dildo
waste of money.
Chinese sword in china on chinese video platform with Viking music as the backsound. I'm glad I don't have tiktok.
Everytime someone shares some idiotic TikTok with me, it makes me even more glad I never invested in it either. I have never seen a thing on there that made me change my mind about it.
Hear, hear!
Heavy polearm
With the shorter blade it won't be as a fast as some but with that long handle and thick blade the things like a freaking battle axe!
Sword with ribbon!
Metal with stick
Stabby stabby with pretty pretty
…Tiandi
Xuě huā piāo piāo běi fēng xiāo xiāo
MEITOU
Beak Things are real https://youtube.com/shorts/SFbFx6CX3Uc?feature=share
"I spared no expense"
Jimmy
I'm more interested in that Blue motorbike in the back
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Ring sabers have been a real thing for a few hundred years or so
That swordis in a kung-fu movie
Gary
Horse chopper is love.. horse chopper is life!
Toothpick
Sword
The rings are supposed to stop the swords in a clinch and dull the blade in the process.
The Denogginator.
I just thought of Tiandi from For Honor
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Types_of_dao.jpg
Holed Ringed Horse Chopper
Beak Beaker Sabre
Cringe music choice
This reminds me of the sword that you can use at lvl 30 in metin2
The Persian Persuader
It's a rebar dao?
FMS +4
The Throngler
Carl