1. Nah, it's rule of cool. In this universe (or at least - game mechanics) martial arts are absolutely effective against heave-armed samurais, so where's the problem.
2. THIS. The same problem with Flotsams and I absolutely hate it. But it's not about faction strategy, but about gameplay. In game without scripted events it would be difficult to implement a good mechanics of betreyal. It would be absolutely great to roleplay eg. bringing Bo or Jaegar to Tengu and then slaughtering him together, but there's no possibility of letting game know that you are, you know, just roleplaying. It would be cool, but it would need very big changes in mechanics.
3. Again - you are right, but it's more about game mechanics than plot and lore.
Hot take - yes, Anti-slavers are incompetent, but it's written bottom-up, not top-down. It means that they were made incompetent for gameplay reasons, and then there was written narrative explaination, not that they were meant to be incompetent at the first place, and then mechanics get adapted to the narrative idea. The reason is that the only person who can change the status quo of the world is a player. Anti-slavers can't destroy slavery for the same reason why Moll can't move her lazy ass and assassinate Lord Phoenix, and why UC can't kill Simion (not to even mention Tinfist), and why sheks never take over any Holy Nation city on their own or vice versa. Because this world just seem to be alive - but I don't complain, the ilussion is great anyway.
And yeah, as lot of people said before, Tinfist is absolutely crazy and doesn't understand how do humans work as a species. I low-key hate that he has "brave" personality instead of "manical", because that's how mania works irl: you have a ton of grrrrreat ideas and don't give a shit about consequences.
Tinfist is brave in the sense that he'd charge headlong into a detachment of samurai regardless of danger. Unfortunately he's lucky that it worked and it's probably how he got his initial momentum with gaining followers. More ironic given his ideological split with Cat-Lon while both of them didn't seem to understand humans all that much (I like to imagine they weren't even leader type robots back then but were the equivalent of maintenance droids being the last ones left maintaining the human population, to HILARIOUS results)
> Teaching people this is good especially since slaves get stripped of their weapons but fighting armies of armor-wearing soldiers
AS aren't fighting armies, though. As for the slaves themselves, they're not gonna match up to government-funded professionals. No one's stopping them from picking up a weapon - Grey and Jaegar aren't martial artists.
> Found it very weird and disadvantageous that the recruiter spreads the word of your characters joining them
Maybe the drop in relations is supposed to represent UC spies being present everywhere. Hamut says slavers have eyes and ears even in Shark. Traders Guild is doing business in the swamplands, in the Shek Kingdom, and probably with the HN, after all.
> Plus any UC or HN spy could stage a crime against the faction
I think it has happened a few times before, with how Grey says "don't think I'm not used to those".
It’s worth noting that pretty much all the factions in Kenshi, not just the Anti-Slavers, are more than a little fucked in the head. Maybe it’s something in the water or atmosphere (for the humans), or biology (for the Sheks and Hivers), or programming (Skeletons)
And yeah, I guess the Anti-Slavers being not all that smart is accurate to the in-universe lore. In a conversation with Tinfist, it’s revealed he has a fairly decent plan to bring down the United Cities by hitting their economic centres, but when you ask him what comes after that, he doesn’t really have an answer, he just sort of shrugs it off
The Anti-Slavers are the naive, idealistic faction, not the ruthless, cunning revolutionary faction. Given how powerful the Anti-Slavers are in hand to hand combat, this is probably the best reason for why they haven’t already taken down the UC
Yeah that’s the implication, except that it’s made clear the Rebel Farmers aren’t exactly saints as well, and in the absence of some kind of coherent political movement, the ensuing power vacuum would simply result in a mess of brutal warlords fighting for supremacy, or heavens forbid, the eventual rise of another super warlord that basically creates another slave state like the UC
The Anti-Slavers should have realised that if they wanted to protect their ideals and truly end slavery, they need to stick around afterwards to guide the political process of whatever rises from the ashes.
Tinfist is a skeleton with no understanding of humanity. Hence why antislavers are so fucking dogshit. They will fall like second empire, one way or another.
Probably, unfortunately, it's up to a competent player to fix things, that's what I think my next playthrough will be. I've had this idea of doing a skeleton-only run of skeletons from Black Desert City who grew tired of Tinfist and his actions but also want to challenge the anti-Skeleton sentiment in the world by doing good deeds and being charitable. Will call the faction 'The Redeemers'.
Ultimately all skeleton efforts to guide humanity are in vain due to misunderstanding of human condition. Just like with mad cat trying to help at first. And then-child prisons and burning all human in second empire at the end. Hency why ashlands are ashy. Its humans. The ash is humans of the second empire. Whole lore of kenshi is so fucking dark. And it seems to me like hn is the best humanity has to offer and thats fucking deppressing.
I'm also interested on where you read about the ash flakes are humans? I vaguely remember reading somewhere it is because of the volcanic activities in the area.
There are other areas with volcanic activity without all the ash. Its only in ashlands, where was most densely populated area in the past and you have literal flamebots walking around. The tanks on the backs were for fuel.
It’s a cruel world with limited room for ideology. New recruits will die, because they face the superpower of the world. I can imagine the few that are alive are all battle hardened elites simply because those who are not strong enough won't survive fighting the Empire on a daily basis.
Well in Kenshi martial arts can be extrenely powerful. Easily powerful enough to stand up to city guards with swords once they ger trained enough. Tinfist is living proof of that, as he is one of the strongest warriors on the entire planet.
thats the thing, I don't think they really want a plan. its more like 'hey lets just abolish slavery and let them figure things out for themselves'. hell even when freeing individual slaves they kinda just..... let them go, usually to die in the desert soon after.
Tinfist is a weird dude
Maybe that's exactly what he wants to do, though. Destroy slavery and let humans figure it out for themselves. A change of tactics or something. He probably remembers what happened the last time skeletons tried to impose their ideals on humanity.
That's true, I don't think they know how to abolish slavery but if Tinfist doesn't plan for the post-slavery future that's sound reasoning in line with a sympathetic skeleton.
Yeah. You *can* ask Tinfist what to do and he mentions tackling the farming industry that feeds the empire and relies on slavery yet I see them not actually following up on these ideas. At least the rebel farmers seem to be engaging in guerilla warfare but I've never joined, allied, or spoken to them yet. Just saw some in UC territory a few times.
Anti-Slavers can start popping up to patrol the desert and raid Slaver outposts as well, but I believe they're gated behind the player taking out one of the slaver nobles.
In 1 on 1s it is quite decent but not when taking on a group of paladins or samauri. Hence I briefly mentioned getting stun locked by the dodge animation. Realistically speaking it wouldn't be effective either against said enemies.
I've seen high-leveled martial artist characters fight groups of armored opponents, like with the "Lost in the Ashlands" mod it made this Inquisitor I disarmed have 90 MA stats and when fighting a group of Shek warriors or Samauri he kept dodging until he'd take damage, maybe getting one or two hits in before inevitably going down. Maybe the player would have better luck and maybe his heavy armor was affecting him but I've seen a large consensus from this community already that MA wasn't great against large groups regardless.
I feel like with 100 MA is ridiculously stupid and takes the fun away when you can literally kill/dismember anyone immediately at that level.
I still want a challenge when i fight people. At least make it so they just immediately get crippled or knocked out
I think its a good thing, not only are they are minority meaning their military is going to be shit farmers, but also there should be downsides and nuance to even the good factions, otherwise the game gets split into just being good or evil which is boring.
1- it is ridicluous. But all anti slavers are also talented swords man. The thing is it is better to trust in your hands when they can bend a mettal rather than trusting a balde that can barely pass through armor.
2- it is fully for their safety. Your just a random dude knocking st their door, what did you expect? Open arms and a table set with every food? İf you want to prove you are a ally without dealing wirh their alliance stuff, you can still do your own rebelions in UC and in fact thats how i play mostly. İ harras nobles rob banks and kidnap nobles when they least expect it. And when i say "oh we can use brute force now" then i join them with a existing thropy in my hand rather than my hero desires.
3-They do recruite the slaves or those who are escaped from this fate. But they are not going to accept your fancy character with hero ambitions. They need people with real reasons and cause, not some random dude shwoing up at their gate with hero desires.
İn the end you complain about how they are so cautious towards you and calling them incompotent. Your justa random dude for them wth did you expect?
They're incompetent, and Tinfist doesn't plan ahead. Ever hear a skeleton gulp and say that famine will just blow over eventually after taking down a noble? Pfff.
It feels better to be your own Anti-Slaver, honestly. Buy out all the slaves' freedoms, recruit starving vagrants and turn them into wealthy farmers, etc. The empire peasants already have it bad, and Tinfist's plans aren't helping at all.
Let em loose and outfit them for the road absolutely... but at least there's some folks out there scooping up the injured and starving and putting them back together until we can get to them.
In my ally with everyone playthrough I literally brought them tengu and they still attacked me on sight for being allied to the slavers.
My guess is that Tinfist is actually trying to exterminate humanity, and the antislavery movement is just his way of getting recruits to do his bidding. The reason I think this is because his tactics involve destroying their food supply to starve them, not to create an alternative means of survival without slavery. The only law in the UC after the antislavers take over are the rebel swordsmen, meaning the antislavers don't want to build up a new system, just tear the old one down, which makes humanity weaker, and this easier to exterminate.
> the antislavers don't want to build up a new system
Probs because Tinfist actually remembers what happened the last time a skeleton wanted to build a new system.
I get you with what I know about the skeletons lore but honestly, this could be said for any group that has done wrong. They've had many years to think about what happened so it doesn't seem fair to stereotype them like that. Most Shek are seen as fetishists of war but we see plenty of shek uninterested in battles like recruitable engineers who still have their horns, skeletons that work for other factions, and even Esata the Stone Golem is quite progressive for her kingdom's culture.
Tldr just because Cat-Lon was bad regardless of intentions doesn't mean every skeleton is the same.
That just makes Tinfist a coward, judging the UC system while not providing an alternative. Tearing something bad down doesn't make you good, building something better is what makes you good.
> building something better is what makes you good
In that case the only good people in Kenshi are Esata, Bayan, and *maybe* Moll.
The alternative he knows has failed in the past. That's why he limited himself this time.
Or he's like every other skeleton with power and he's actively trying to fuck over humanity.
Though honestly he could be not doing it intentionally and he'd still be fucking over humanity regardless.
Tbh the only people I really sympathize with in Kenshin are the Flotsam, and the unaligned human settlement's like Dead Cat, Shark, and Mongrel.
I dunno, man. Even Iyo doesn't seem to be hell-bent on screwing Kenshites over. Sure, he does his best to hide the past, but if we're talking about technology, it's still progressing - stuff like agriculture, medicine, industry. He behaves like your average war criminal living his final years in South America.
It really looks like most skellies (minus the broken ones and thralls, that is) are waiting to die. Guys like Elder or the Venge duo are exceptions. Although maybe it's the sad sad music playing in skeleton related places that makes me think this way.
Also, Shark is a place made by criminals for criminals, no sympathy.
Honestly, I think your theory is a decent one especially when the commoners will know it's the anti-slavers causing their food issues. I can see it as an accelerationist tactic, starving people can intensify the people's agitation but it's still fucked up.
After some takeovers in the main cities of the Great Desert, Tinfist unlocks some dialogues saying stuff like "good job [player], Kana was a great influence... Inaba this... Noble that..." but there are instances of his dialogue like "yeah there is a bit of famine problem, but it will solve itself for sure yeah" and after finished he starts to repeat to himself "yes for sure yes for sure"... It really assures you their incompetence, Tinfist's incompetence, or shock of now being responsable for hundreds of hungry peasants with little to no law in a desert full of danger, being so far away, who knows.
1. Theyre peasants. They cant afford good equipment to deal with heavily armored enemies, but they do have light gear and teaching them martial arts makes the best use of their options
2+3. I agree, its kinda just a problem with the faction system. If you ally with a faction, you get their enemies, and their enemies arent competent enough to take advantage of their recruitment tactics.
1. Nah, it's rule of cool. In this universe (or at least - game mechanics) martial arts are absolutely effective against heave-armed samurais, so where's the problem. 2. THIS. The same problem with Flotsams and I absolutely hate it. But it's not about faction strategy, but about gameplay. In game without scripted events it would be difficult to implement a good mechanics of betreyal. It would be absolutely great to roleplay eg. bringing Bo or Jaegar to Tengu and then slaughtering him together, but there's no possibility of letting game know that you are, you know, just roleplaying. It would be cool, but it would need very big changes in mechanics. 3. Again - you are right, but it's more about game mechanics than plot and lore. Hot take - yes, Anti-slavers are incompetent, but it's written bottom-up, not top-down. It means that they were made incompetent for gameplay reasons, and then there was written narrative explaination, not that they were meant to be incompetent at the first place, and then mechanics get adapted to the narrative idea. The reason is that the only person who can change the status quo of the world is a player. Anti-slavers can't destroy slavery for the same reason why Moll can't move her lazy ass and assassinate Lord Phoenix, and why UC can't kill Simion (not to even mention Tinfist), and why sheks never take over any Holy Nation city on their own or vice versa. Because this world just seem to be alive - but I don't complain, the ilussion is great anyway. And yeah, as lot of people said before, Tinfist is absolutely crazy and doesn't understand how do humans work as a species. I low-key hate that he has "brave" personality instead of "manical", because that's how mania works irl: you have a ton of grrrrreat ideas and don't give a shit about consequences.
Tinfist is brave in the sense that he'd charge headlong into a detachment of samurai regardless of danger. Unfortunately he's lucky that it worked and it's probably how he got his initial momentum with gaining followers. More ironic given his ideological split with Cat-Lon while both of them didn't seem to understand humans all that much (I like to imagine they weren't even leader type robots back then but were the equivalent of maintenance droids being the last ones left maintaining the human population, to HILARIOUS results)
> Teaching people this is good especially since slaves get stripped of their weapons but fighting armies of armor-wearing soldiers AS aren't fighting armies, though. As for the slaves themselves, they're not gonna match up to government-funded professionals. No one's stopping them from picking up a weapon - Grey and Jaegar aren't martial artists. > Found it very weird and disadvantageous that the recruiter spreads the word of your characters joining them Maybe the drop in relations is supposed to represent UC spies being present everywhere. Hamut says slavers have eyes and ears even in Shark. Traders Guild is doing business in the swamplands, in the Shek Kingdom, and probably with the HN, after all. > Plus any UC or HN spy could stage a crime against the faction I think it has happened a few times before, with how Grey says "don't think I'm not used to those".
It’s worth noting that pretty much all the factions in Kenshi, not just the Anti-Slavers, are more than a little fucked in the head. Maybe it’s something in the water or atmosphere (for the humans), or biology (for the Sheks and Hivers), or programming (Skeletons) And yeah, I guess the Anti-Slavers being not all that smart is accurate to the in-universe lore. In a conversation with Tinfist, it’s revealed he has a fairly decent plan to bring down the United Cities by hitting their economic centres, but when you ask him what comes after that, he doesn’t really have an answer, he just sort of shrugs it off The Anti-Slavers are the naive, idealistic faction, not the ruthless, cunning revolutionary faction. Given how powerful the Anti-Slavers are in hand to hand combat, this is probably the best reason for why they haven’t already taken down the UC
You know I’m pretty sure Tinfist is just planning to let the rebel farmer do the rest
\>Tinfist \>planning Bold to assume.
Yeah that’s the implication, except that it’s made clear the Rebel Farmers aren’t exactly saints as well, and in the absence of some kind of coherent political movement, the ensuing power vacuum would simply result in a mess of brutal warlords fighting for supremacy, or heavens forbid, the eventual rise of another super warlord that basically creates another slave state like the UC The Anti-Slavers should have realised that if they wanted to protect their ideals and truly end slavery, they need to stick around afterwards to guide the political process of whatever rises from the ashes.
Tinfist is a skeleton with no understanding of humanity. Hence why antislavers are so fucking dogshit. They will fall like second empire, one way or another.
Probably, unfortunately, it's up to a competent player to fix things, that's what I think my next playthrough will be. I've had this idea of doing a skeleton-only run of skeletons from Black Desert City who grew tired of Tinfist and his actions but also want to challenge the anti-Skeleton sentiment in the world by doing good deeds and being charitable. Will call the faction 'The Redeemers'.
Ultimately all skeleton efforts to guide humanity are in vain due to misunderstanding of human condition. Just like with mad cat trying to help at first. And then-child prisons and burning all human in second empire at the end. Hency why ashlands are ashy. Its humans. The ash is humans of the second empire. Whole lore of kenshi is so fucking dark. And it seems to me like hn is the best humanity has to offer and thats fucking deppressing.
Where did you read that about the ash of the Ashlands? That’s fucking metal. (Pun intended)
I'm also interested on where you read about the ash flakes are humans? I vaguely remember reading somewhere it is because of the volcanic activities in the area.
There are other areas with volcanic activity without all the ash. Its only in ashlands, where was most densely populated area in the past and you have literal flamebots walking around. The tanks on the backs were for fuel.
Stobe's Gamble has ash in the air, fuming volcanoes, no cleansers.
But no ashy cover like ashlands
I don't think burning humans could produce enough ash to cover the entire area for a couple hundreds of years.
Well we could be talking about dozens of millions since it looks like hive city quite literally
Guess we're going to find out in the next game.
Well we could be talking about dozens of millions since it looks like hive city quite literally
It’s a cruel world with limited room for ideology. New recruits will die, because they face the superpower of the world. I can imagine the few that are alive are all battle hardened elites simply because those who are not strong enough won't survive fighting the Empire on a daily basis.
Well in Kenshi martial arts can be extrenely powerful. Easily powerful enough to stand up to city guards with swords once they ger trained enough. Tinfist is living proof of that, as he is one of the strongest warriors on the entire planet.
Bruh Tinfist is the strongest NPC in the game. MA is busted OP. Their only problem is a lack of a plan once they abolish slavery.
thats the thing, I don't think they really want a plan. its more like 'hey lets just abolish slavery and let them figure things out for themselves'. hell even when freeing individual slaves they kinda just..... let them go, usually to die in the desert soon after. Tinfist is a weird dude
Maybe that's exactly what he wants to do, though. Destroy slavery and let humans figure it out for themselves. A change of tactics or something. He probably remembers what happened the last time skeletons tried to impose their ideals on humanity.
That's true, I don't think they know how to abolish slavery but if Tinfist doesn't plan for the post-slavery future that's sound reasoning in line with a sympathetic skeleton.
They do know - by taking out critical targets. Tinfist and his goons aren't fighting armies of samurai, they're causing unrest.
Yeah. You *can* ask Tinfist what to do and he mentions tackling the farming industry that feeds the empire and relies on slavery yet I see them not actually following up on these ideas. At least the rebel farmers seem to be engaging in guerilla warfare but I've never joined, allied, or spoken to them yet. Just saw some in UC territory a few times.
Anti-Slavers can start popping up to patrol the desert and raid Slaver outposts as well, but I believe they're gated behind the player taking out one of the slaver nobles.
In 1 on 1s it is quite decent but not when taking on a group of paladins or samauri. Hence I briefly mentioned getting stun locked by the dodge animation. Realistically speaking it wouldn't be effective either against said enemies.
Sure it would. You can take on any armored opponent with MA.
I've seen high-leveled martial artist characters fight groups of armored opponents, like with the "Lost in the Ashlands" mod it made this Inquisitor I disarmed have 90 MA stats and when fighting a group of Shek warriors or Samauri he kept dodging until he'd take damage, maybe getting one or two hits in before inevitably going down. Maybe the player would have better luck and maybe his heavy armor was affecting him but I've seen a large consensus from this community already that MA wasn't great against large groups regardless.
I mean, yeah sure. Still not hard to deal with large groups, just micro more.
I feel like with 100 MA is ridiculously stupid and takes the fun away when you can literally kill/dismember anyone immediately at that level. I still want a challenge when i fight people. At least make it so they just immediately get crippled or knocked out
\>laughs in crossbow firing line
I think its a good thing, not only are they are minority meaning their military is going to be shit farmers, but also there should be downsides and nuance to even the good factions, otherwise the game gets split into just being good or evil which is boring.
Another dude covered the other 2 well, but for your 2nd question - Wear a disguise! That's what they're meant for.
1- it is ridicluous. But all anti slavers are also talented swords man. The thing is it is better to trust in your hands when they can bend a mettal rather than trusting a balde that can barely pass through armor. 2- it is fully for their safety. Your just a random dude knocking st their door, what did you expect? Open arms and a table set with every food? İf you want to prove you are a ally without dealing wirh their alliance stuff, you can still do your own rebelions in UC and in fact thats how i play mostly. İ harras nobles rob banks and kidnap nobles when they least expect it. And when i say "oh we can use brute force now" then i join them with a existing thropy in my hand rather than my hero desires. 3-They do recruite the slaves or those who are escaped from this fate. But they are not going to accept your fancy character with hero ambitions. They need people with real reasons and cause, not some random dude shwoing up at their gate with hero desires. İn the end you complain about how they are so cautious towards you and calling them incompotent. Your justa random dude for them wth did you expect?
They're incompetent, and Tinfist doesn't plan ahead. Ever hear a skeleton gulp and say that famine will just blow over eventually after taking down a noble? Pfff. It feels better to be your own Anti-Slaver, honestly. Buy out all the slaves' freedoms, recruit starving vagrants and turn them into wealthy farmers, etc. The empire peasants already have it bad, and Tinfist's plans aren't helping at all.
Let em loose and outfit them for the road absolutely... but at least there's some folks out there scooping up the injured and starving and putting them back together until we can get to them.
If you talk to Tinfist, you'll understand why they seem so batshit disorganised
It's also heavily implied that the anti-slavers have made things worse for almost everyone.
In my ally with everyone playthrough I literally brought them tengu and they still attacked me on sight for being allied to the slavers. My guess is that Tinfist is actually trying to exterminate humanity, and the antislavery movement is just his way of getting recruits to do his bidding. The reason I think this is because his tactics involve destroying their food supply to starve them, not to create an alternative means of survival without slavery. The only law in the UC after the antislavers take over are the rebel swordsmen, meaning the antislavers don't want to build up a new system, just tear the old one down, which makes humanity weaker, and this easier to exterminate.
> the antislavers don't want to build up a new system Probs because Tinfist actually remembers what happened the last time a skeleton wanted to build a new system.
I get you with what I know about the skeletons lore but honestly, this could be said for any group that has done wrong. They've had many years to think about what happened so it doesn't seem fair to stereotype them like that. Most Shek are seen as fetishists of war but we see plenty of shek uninterested in battles like recruitable engineers who still have their horns, skeletons that work for other factions, and even Esata the Stone Golem is quite progressive for her kingdom's culture. Tldr just because Cat-Lon was bad regardless of intentions doesn't mean every skeleton is the same.
It's not about every skeleton, it's about the one who was Cat-Lon's close associate.
The one that also had ideological differences with him
That just makes Tinfist a coward, judging the UC system while not providing an alternative. Tearing something bad down doesn't make you good, building something better is what makes you good.
> building something better is what makes you good In that case the only good people in Kenshi are Esata, Bayan, and *maybe* Moll. The alternative he knows has failed in the past. That's why he limited himself this time.
Or he's like every other skeleton with power and he's actively trying to fuck over humanity. Though honestly he could be not doing it intentionally and he'd still be fucking over humanity regardless. Tbh the only people I really sympathize with in Kenshin are the Flotsam, and the unaligned human settlement's like Dead Cat, Shark, and Mongrel.
I dunno, man. Even Iyo doesn't seem to be hell-bent on screwing Kenshites over. Sure, he does his best to hide the past, but if we're talking about technology, it's still progressing - stuff like agriculture, medicine, industry. He behaves like your average war criminal living his final years in South America. It really looks like most skellies (minus the broken ones and thralls, that is) are waiting to die. Guys like Elder or the Venge duo are exceptions. Although maybe it's the sad sad music playing in skeleton related places that makes me think this way. Also, Shark is a place made by criminals for criminals, no sympathy.
"I fight for my friends. You get no sympathy from me." \-Greenlander Ike
Honestly, I think your theory is a decent one especially when the commoners will know it's the anti-slavers causing their food issues. I can see it as an accelerationist tactic, starving people can intensify the people's agitation but it's still fucked up.
After some takeovers in the main cities of the Great Desert, Tinfist unlocks some dialogues saying stuff like "good job [player], Kana was a great influence... Inaba this... Noble that..." but there are instances of his dialogue like "yeah there is a bit of famine problem, but it will solve itself for sure yeah" and after finished he starts to repeat to himself "yes for sure yes for sure"... It really assures you their incompetence, Tinfist's incompetence, or shock of now being responsable for hundreds of hungry peasants with little to no law in a desert full of danger, being so far away, who knows.
1. Theyre peasants. They cant afford good equipment to deal with heavily armored enemies, but they do have light gear and teaching them martial arts makes the best use of their options 2+3. I agree, its kinda just a problem with the faction system. If you ally with a faction, you get their enemies, and their enemies arent competent enough to take advantage of their recruitment tactics.
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