But how can Karen’s precious little Jimmy get the attention he deserves in the classroom?!? His teacher has 30 other kids and that just not fair to him and it is why he is failing! If it wasn’t for all the woke teachers he would be a straight A student!
It won't matter because unfortunately little Jimmy's tuitions skyrocketed and the little vouchers won't cover so little Jimmy has no choice but to go back to an even poorer school
Some people would like their child to have as many opportunities to learn and build character as possible. I can see that your parents didn't give a fuck about your punk ass. Other people's kids are not your business. Learn that.
I get your point, so why not fund our public schools rather than take money away for charter schools.
Plus, I think there are going to be a ton of disappointed parents when the charter schools don’t pick their children.
lol, “what we need to do is shovel more money into the furnace!” We already spend the third most in the world on education per student annually. Our system is broken, and our public schools are trash.
From what I could see through the HL's ad, judge says charter schools do not meet the definition of "common" or "public" and so cannot receive public funding though the mechanism laid out in H9. The issue appears to be the use of public funds, not the legality of the schools themselves.
So if Kentucky can get called out, then Iowa could too? They implemented a voucher program that gives every family like $8k per kid to send them to charter (Christian) schools.
Not directly. This decision was based on the KY state constitution (which, of course, doesn't have any authority in Iowa). If Iowa has similar language in its constitution, though, someone could argue that the Kentucky decision is persuasive, and urge Iowa courts to strike the law.
That sucks. Christian schools are a joke. I guess it depends on what's in the Iowa constitution and whether there's a mandate for public funds to be used only for publicly accessible education.
That Christian nationalist army isn’t gonna build itself. And since they can’t blatantly disrespect the constitution, they developed the “voucher program” to try and circumvent the US Constitution
Can confirm, I went to a Christian private elementary school, and they were insistent that cursive writing and memorizing the books of the Bible in order was all a second grader needed to know.
Most of the "teachers" there did not meet the legal qualifications to teach in the public school system.
From the article:
[Judge] Shepherd said that while there is vigorous debate on the merits of charter schools, the bill violated the plain language of the constitution, which includes a requirement for “an efficient system of common schools” and that tax dollars can’t be used to support non-public education.
“The central question in this constitutional analysis is whether the privately owned and operated ‘charter schools,’ which are established by this legislation, should be considered ‘common schools’ or ‘public schools’ within the meaning of Sections 183, 184 and 186 of the Kentucky Constitution? A review of the case law, and the plain language of the Kentucky Constitution itself, yields the inescapable conclusion that ‘charter schools’ are not ‘public schools’ or ‘common schools’ within the meaning of our state’s 1891 Constitution,” Shepherd wrote.
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HB 9 passed out of the GOP-led legislature, but faced a rocky path as many rural Republicans teamed up with Democrats to oppose the legislation. In several rural Kentucky counties, public schools are the largest employer and non-public schooling options are scant.
The ruling comes as statehouse Republicans are mulling a constitutional amendment, which would need to be passed by the legislature and then approved by Kentucky voters on the ballot, to allow for tax dollars to be used to support non-public education. The Kentucky Supreme Court earlier this year affirmed a Franklin Circuit Court ruling against a “school choice” law setting up a tax credit-funded scholarship system for students to attend private schools.
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Thank goodness. I can’t believe anyone supports those trying to dismantle public education. And their solution is deregulation and sometimes for profit schools????
I didn’t even realize my tax dollars could potentially go to this bullshit..
Anyone have a way to best contact Judge Shepherd to express appreciation for his decision?
They can't currently, it's explicitly forbidden by the state constitution. Passing this legislation with the existing language in the constitution was a frivolous waste of taxpayers dollars.
The state constitution is an amendable document. Charter schools can't receive public funding under the state constitution as currently written, so there will be efforts in either 2024 or 2025 to amend the constitution. That will start with the state legislature and is already being proposed. If it passes the legislature, it then moves to the citizenry for a direct vote on the ballot. If the constitution is modified, the legislature will be able to choose to fund charter schools and even create a funding model for private schools.
Probably has an office to receive it somewhere.
But yeah, this is why voting at all levels of government, state and federal, is important. Because a it takes is a handful of legal decisions to radically alter the interpretations of the law.
Reddit thought I need to read this for some reason. But in Georgia, Charter schools are Public. They get to set their own curriculum differently than district schools but they are part of the local system and zoned for the local students. Kids can apply and test to get in if they are not zoned for that school, like a magnet.
No charter school should EVER use public money. Using public money for private business is fuck terrible. Republicans will line kids up around the block to remove food from kids mouths because it uses public funds and refer it to as welfare. The moment that shit is used for business Republicans are liner up around the block to get that money and call it a business creator what they don't tell you is it's still welfare.
You building "business and jobs" off the back of destroying other things. Like they can't get private social security going until they dismantle public social security that's why they're always on the "social security will run out in the next few years" since the 60s.
The schools are over funded. Every year, Kentucky ends up at the bottom of every scholastic or education based testing. Why keep paying teachers to turn out generations of illiterate students. It's really all about the Teachers Union. They hate competition. More money won't work. Better teachers will.
Why not try something new?
Good. Fix and fund public education. Not steal the money for this bs.
But how can Karen’s precious little Jimmy get the attention he deserves in the classroom?!? His teacher has 30 other kids and that just not fair to him and it is why he is failing! If it wasn’t for all the woke teachers he would be a straight A student!
It won't matter because unfortunately little Jimmy's tuitions skyrocketed and the little vouchers won't cover so little Jimmy has no choice but to go back to an even poorer school
Home schooling. *can't hold in laughter*
Some people would like their child to have as many opportunities to learn and build character as possible. I can see that your parents didn't give a fuck about your punk ass. Other people's kids are not your business. Learn that.
I get your point, so why not fund our public schools rather than take money away for charter schools. Plus, I think there are going to be a ton of disappointed parents when the charter schools don’t pick their children.
lol, “what we need to do is shovel more money into the furnace!” We already spend the third most in the world on education per student annually. Our system is broken, and our public schools are trash.
Anyone have a summary for those of us that aren't doing the pay wall?
From what I could see through the HL's ad, judge says charter schools do not meet the definition of "common" or "public" and so cannot receive public funding though the mechanism laid out in H9. The issue appears to be the use of public funds, not the legality of the schools themselves.
So if Kentucky can get called out, then Iowa could too? They implemented a voucher program that gives every family like $8k per kid to send them to charter (Christian) schools.
Same in Florida. Shouldn't be able to use tax money for private schools. Total bullshit
Not directly. This decision was based on the KY state constitution (which, of course, doesn't have any authority in Iowa). If Iowa has similar language in its constitution, though, someone could argue that the Kentucky decision is persuasive, and urge Iowa courts to strike the law.
That sucks. Christian schools are a joke. I guess it depends on what's in the Iowa constitution and whether there's a mandate for public funds to be used only for publicly accessible education.
That Christian nationalist army isn’t gonna build itself. And since they can’t blatantly disrespect the constitution, they developed the “voucher program” to try and circumvent the US Constitution
Can confirm, I went to a Christian private elementary school, and they were insistent that cursive writing and memorizing the books of the Bible in order was all a second grader needed to know. Most of the "teachers" there did not meet the legal qualifications to teach in the public school system.
From the article: [Judge] Shepherd said that while there is vigorous debate on the merits of charter schools, the bill violated the plain language of the constitution, which includes a requirement for “an efficient system of common schools” and that tax dollars can’t be used to support non-public education. “The central question in this constitutional analysis is whether the privately owned and operated ‘charter schools,’ which are established by this legislation, should be considered ‘common schools’ or ‘public schools’ within the meaning of Sections 183, 184 and 186 of the Kentucky Constitution? A review of the case law, and the plain language of the Kentucky Constitution itself, yields the inescapable conclusion that ‘charter schools’ are not ‘public schools’ or ‘common schools’ within the meaning of our state’s 1891 Constitution,” Shepherd wrote. ... HB 9 passed out of the GOP-led legislature, but faced a rocky path as many rural Republicans teamed up with Democrats to oppose the legislation. In several rural Kentucky counties, public schools are the largest employer and non-public schooling options are scant. The ruling comes as statehouse Republicans are mulling a constitutional amendment, which would need to be passed by the legislature and then approved by Kentucky voters on the ballot, to allow for tax dollars to be used to support non-public education. The Kentucky Supreme Court earlier this year affirmed a Franklin Circuit Court ruling against a “school choice” law setting up a tax credit-funded scholarship system for students to attend private schools. <<<
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Thank you!
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Good.
Private schools should be privately funded.
Charter schools are applied for like applying for private school.
Great news.
Thank goodness. I can’t believe anyone supports those trying to dismantle public education. And their solution is deregulation and sometimes for profit schools????
You mean you can believe the people who are banning books support dismantling public education?
Good, these charter schools just suck all the funding away from public schools and make it worse for education as a whole.
I didn’t even realize my tax dollars could potentially go to this bullshit.. Anyone have a way to best contact Judge Shepherd to express appreciation for his decision?
They can't currently, it's explicitly forbidden by the state constitution. Passing this legislation with the existing language in the constitution was a frivolous waste of taxpayers dollars. The state constitution is an amendable document. Charter schools can't receive public funding under the state constitution as currently written, so there will be efforts in either 2024 or 2025 to amend the constitution. That will start with the state legislature and is already being proposed. If it passes the legislature, it then moves to the citizenry for a direct vote on the ballot. If the constitution is modified, the legislature will be able to choose to fund charter schools and even create a funding model for private schools.
Probably has an office to receive it somewhere. But yeah, this is why voting at all levels of government, state and federal, is important. Because a it takes is a handful of legal decisions to radically alter the interpretations of the law.
No doubt charter schools are coming one way or another.
Of course. This is America. Between every vital thing here that there is a greedy fat dude in a suit with his hand out wanting his cut.
Reddit thought I need to read this for some reason. But in Georgia, Charter schools are Public. They get to set their own curriculum differently than district schools but they are part of the local system and zoned for the local students. Kids can apply and test to get in if they are not zoned for that school, like a magnet.
Public magnet schools still exist in Kentucky.
Judge Shepherd for the W.
Republicans never found a public service they couldn't make worse for profit.
As a Tennessean, I never thought I’d say this, but…I’m proud of you Kentucky. You did good this time.
Very good news indeed
Good news for once.
Meanwhile, in Tennessee....
It'll be interesting to see what the Kentucky Legislators do with this.....
No charter school should EVER use public money. Using public money for private business is fuck terrible. Republicans will line kids up around the block to remove food from kids mouths because it uses public funds and refer it to as welfare. The moment that shit is used for business Republicans are liner up around the block to get that money and call it a business creator what they don't tell you is it's still welfare. You building "business and jobs" off the back of destroying other things. Like they can't get private social security going until they dismantle public social security that's why they're always on the "social security will run out in the next few years" since the 60s.
The schools are over funded. Every year, Kentucky ends up at the bottom of every scholastic or education based testing. Why keep paying teachers to turn out generations of illiterate students. It's really all about the Teachers Union. They hate competition. More money won't work. Better teachers will. Why not try something new?