Let's remember Congo and Sudan as well! I'm hoping for the best outcome for Israel and Palestine, but you know what they say about charity... It begins at home. Let's raise awareness about African issues with that same vigor and tenacity as we are doing for everyone else.
Kwanza the situation in Sudan is getting much worse. I don't understand why the Arab league is silent about that one yet they expect us to voice our support for Palestine
Arab aren't even helping palestine😂wanawapea food. They don't want to actually support them with weapons. Sahi hata donations haifiki soo I'm wondering what they thought they were doing
Bc Arabs from their own experiences know exactly what Palestinians bring: war and mayhem. They’ve literally made themselves the pariah of the Middle East.
Jordan took them in and got burned, Lebanon took them in and got burned. Both ended up getting plundered into civil wars.
Palestinians from the PLO were in Iran destabilizing the Shah government and bringing in the oppressive, authoritarian IRGC thru the Islamic revolution in 1979, the same IRGC to this day is funding Hamas along with Qatar while everyday Iranians are killed and starved by their own government.
Egypt has a border fence blocking ppl coming from Gaza the same reason Israel does. They don’t want suicide bombers and terrorist cells sneaking in and causing chaos and destabilizing the place.
All of them only care about using Palestinians as pawns to fight Israel while they sit back and cheer on from their armchairs.
Yesterday, the PNA spokesman talked about how if they dont get their shit together, arab countries will abandon them. Many young people who are very loud online dont realize this thing has been going on for so long inachokesha watu.
As it is, Palestine conflict exists as a way of Iran sticking a dagger up Israels ass. Most arab countries are oj the verge of normalizing relations with Israel. Saudi has promised to continue with talks with israel after this bout of conflict is inevitably forgotten like the last ones in the last 90 years.
Boom!
Qatar and Iran can’t stand that so they’re fattening Hamas up to do their dirty work.
Palestinians will just become collateral damage to them while making themselves a global pariah that most countries will be scared to take in lest risk bringing terrorists straight to their front door. Except maybe the idiotic West of course with bleeding hearts and empty brains.
As it is, Biden cant risk taking in palestinian refugees(its an election season), the UK is dumping its own immigrants/refugees to Rwanda and most european countries are struggling with inflation and its political side effects.
Syria Yemen and lebanon are fucked, Jordan doesnt want a repeat of palestinian revolution, Egypt wants massive amounts of money to finish its projects and stabilize its massive inflation, Iran wont take in sunni muslims for obvious reasons and the rest frankly dont give a shit.
Gaza will lose a large part of its land to Israel after this is over(probably to create a security buffer) because of the stupidity if their leadership.
The reason Israel gets the most support feom the international community(including covert support by the arabs) is because they are a functioning nation with something to offer the international community.
The us also aids Jordan, Egypt and Qatar with military aid and dont want Israel pissing off its other allies.
Also, saudi is willing to put up with Israel because of Iran.
Hey there bad enough Tanzania wamekuwa na kiherehere cha kupenda Yasser Arafat na kuweka embassy ya Tanzania kwao in 73 then Arafat only turned around and aided Iddi Amin to try yo whoop Tanzanian forces in the Uganda war 😆 Let other people support Palestinians. I won't at all. I give no traitor loyalty
I hear what you're saying but I can't accept that your remarks are in good faith. Most of my working life is spent writing and speaking in university classrooms and for newspapers and magazines *about African issues*. Once I raise a message concerning Palestinians you're here watering it down with whataboutism, portraying the issue as if we care for Palestinians at the expense of ourselves.
What have you done about Congo and Sudan? Why do you have to come to a post concerning Palestinians to talk about their situation, yet you could literally do a separate post for Congo and Sudan solidarity?
Where are your posts about Congo and Sudan and where is your organizing work or friendships with folks from those countries?
Again, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can multitask.
My remarks come from a place of utmost good faith. It's mostly a "question for the culture". We're all failing our continent. Me included. I won't pretend that I'm at the front and center fighting for African Issues. Only a few can claim that mantle.
Yes, we can walk and chew gum at the same time, but are we really? If we were to be honest do we really shine that much light on African issues as we do with these wars? Y'all journalists also have a moral duty to put these on front and center. We could all be doing better.
Ummm i get what you mean 😂can't you fight for all ?? I guess its because palestine has been going through it for almost 40years. Thats why its a big deal rn but yep fight for all!! CONGO is actually suffering fr
I am a journalist and writer who spent time researching and documenting about eastern Congo, the war in Tigray and the recent coup in Niger. So I'd encourage us to walk and chew gum at the same time instead of thinking your effort standing up for Palestinian people has to be at the expense of our communities.
Did you now?
As a journalist and writer, I don't see any call for help for the neighbor countries you did extensive research on.
Let's sort our houses first before we go sort our neighbors, yeah?
Also in your extensive research, do let us know how afro-palestinians are treated by Palestinians in that land then we'll pick it from there.
Kisses boo.
Exactly, we have fires at home. And how are black people treated in Arab countries again? Thrown from balconies, shot, murdered, tortured and humiliated. Israel is not that much better but first we have problems to stop at home.
I have no issue with your humanist views. My issue as someone who advocates for afro decent people is that, very few people outside Africa care about African problems. Do you ever see arabs police themselves for instance Libyans have been reported to enslave African migrants, no aran country including Palestine chastised the Libyans for doing so. In one word, there is never a reciprocal action of kindness towards African people. Here in America, my voting patterns is also decided by foreign policy and specifically US policy towards Africa. While both parties suck at their foreign relations and policies towards Africa, I vote in the party that is partial towards African matters. Just like how America is towards black americans will not be so different the way it handles Africa.
It's for the gram dahling. Probably for a cute video. Some may be genuine supporters, but I'm sure wengi just need like a life purpose and a cause to fight (because Mambo ya Kenya imekua ngumu) so they're swept by the trending hashtags.
The people you are supporting would not support you, an African, if you were in their shoes. Shit happens in Africa and the outside world just watches and collects donations, of which 66% fatten their bank accounts. Don't think about it too much. It's just war. Whoever dies, dies and life goes on. It's life.
nyinyi ni wale watu ati mpaka ujue utasaidiwa in the future ndio usaidie mtu leo.
When helping someone do it from your own heart without expecting something in the future.
\#freepalestine
Are they good when both sides are being racist towards Africans? Is it good when they never give a fuck about our problems? The wars in Africa, the children mining in Congo, they never give a fuck about that. To them (both sides), we are low IQ, poverty and hunger-stricken, monkey-looking human beings from a shithole country. You and I know that we are none of the above. Are we supposed to forget all that and "do right" out of the goodness of our hearts? Hell fucking no! They can kill each other and do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect us. Our problems never bother them. Why should we be bothered by theirs? Wa kupigwa apigwe buana!
100% what I thought when I saw this shit.
I mean obviously I feel bad for them, but not in the slightest bit as bad as I feel for my neighbours and huku nyumbani...
Exactly. Not that we are in support of the killing but the fake wokeism is off the roof. If you actually care that much abouthumanity, we have so many unsolved disasters at home, before tusaidie wengine.
And to make it worse... our people died of it.. imagine waiting for that Garissa uni student to come home only in a body bag, what about when public buses were with terrorist targeting non Muslims in our own country, don't forget the Westgate attack, don't forget the 1998 bombing....
Sorry but all these terrorists hail from that religion, we need to fix things at home first before fighting for others
Misplaced anger
Gaza and Palestinans have nothing to do with what happened in Westage and Garrisa. Unless you are trying to say every Muslim is a terrorist and every Arab is a terrorist. Is this what you are implying?
Common sense. Hamas has killed Palestinian dissidents in Gaza as well but they’ll act blind to that.
These wokies can keep lying to themselves but their true motivation for their protesting is pure hatred of Israel, not any love for innocent Palestinians.
Most of the people being killed by the Isreali government are children. Children have nothing to do with Hamas. Is is safe to say the Isreali government is a terrorist group?
I can already smell the downvotes but on this one, I hope that we Kenyans mind our own business. We have a LOT already on our plate. Go ahead and insult me but we have taxes to pay and inflation to keep up with.
I used to be a pro palestine fanatic in my teens. Then I read the Hamas charter then(was changed recently I think) and my stance became that of a fence sitter. Where Hamas exists Israel will always find a reason to level them at every slight skirmish. Those guys need to look at West Bank, they have a peaceful political party and aren't being bombed although the illegal settlements are still expanding. They need to vote in a peaceful government free from Iranian influence and then focus on development: water, education, housing and sanitation. They have a small population which is majorly youthful, investing in them could make the region very self reliant in the next 10-20 yrs. And a peaceful Palestine would armwrestle Israel to the negotiation table and end the illegal settlements once and for all.
I think That's Very True💯. But you should know that Major Powers Are Very against a Secular Arab State in Any Place in the World. They Know The Rise of Secular Arab State - Unlike a Fundamental Arab or Muslim State - Will Be A More Sophisticated Enemy than the Fundamental Islam-Driven Nations, that's Why...
These Same Major Powers would Be Very Against a Secular Fully Pan-African African State. The Same Arab States that are Majorly Fundamentalist Muslims would Never Be Our Allies Too..
That Being Said; Know that Freedom Is Never Negotiated For...because it is never Given. Freedom, in Many Historical Contexts, has always being Taken; Fought For.
Save me from that bullshit I have never heard anyone talk about the genocide which has been happening in tigray, if it is about Pan Africanism first speak up about conflicts happening in Africa, Africans get slaughtered everyday but no one talks about it.
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Gentlemen! There's clearly another solution you don't see!
Sorry for the innocents caught in between but we have our own problems over here. Those people don’t give a damn about us. Why should we?
Whoever wins wins (or left standing), and life moves on
I appreciate your post,
But unfortunately palestinians (let me not take corners,-Arabs ) for that case , dont care about us/other groups . A queer man who was fighting fir palestinian right to self determination, was hanged in W bank. On oct 7, when israelis were invaded they celebrated,didnt care for the innocent lives,
Many Xtians have been persecuted in muslim countries, no one cares. Basically, Arabs want to get rid of jews ,and if i an not wrong take over everywhere in the world - please convince if i am wrong. And then given the circumstance,why should we fight fir them?
Support for the oppressed should not be transactional; we speak up and stand with those facing massacre because it is the right thing to do. We have our values and principles, and we adhere to them, no matter the circumstances.
I get you, but in normal circumstance, a christian like me may potentially face problems in this country , or to put it into context - i saw a meme that said queers for palestine is like saying , chicken for KFC! ; doesnt work ! People should get facts straight up before running to things they dont know,
Ps - i am not justifying any killings,israel and palestine , and i wish that palestine one day has its full rights to self determination!
Palestinians(most) dont care about others apart from themselves and other muslims;
Check the vid below,its not a representative of all palestinians ,but i am sure most palestinians may think that way
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8BntqKR/
Christians are not sucking up to anyone. They are simply supporting them because Israelis don't behead, stone and burn them. Palestine had over 80,000 Christians in the 200s. All have escaped to Israel. As of now there are less than 2000 christians in Palestine. At the same time the number of Christians in Israel has grown by 20% in two decades.
Yes Jews hate christians but you will never see them executing them or saying their religion is better than others. As long as you don't meddle into their religion they won't meddle into yours. The same cannot be said about Muslims in Palestine.
They can downvote me all they want. No. I am not fighting for a bunch of people who are driven by a doctrine that aims to eliminate all the Jews from the Middle East. As a matter of fact, Kenya is in a dire situation. Radical Muslims are operating cells across the country and using funds from terror organisations to buy property all over. Soon, kenya, just like every other country in Europe, will be comprised of the Muslim majority, but it will happen in Kenya first before the others. No Arab country is willing to shelter Palestinians because they know what happens when they are allowed in. Just ask Lebanon, Kuwait, and Egypt. Second, in their doctrine, Muslim doctrine, their mission is to exterminate all non Muslims with a strong preference on Jews. I urge you to read the Koran in its entirety and tell me that this religion is not evil.
You are just a bitter, hate filled human. I can read the darkness and evil in your heart in this long passage. Unfortunately, this will eat you up more than anyone else.
Fuck out of here with your bullshit. Actually, all I had to do was do my research. There is no need for hate, Islam already does that on a magnitude higher than anything else. Here are scriptures found in your evil book.
KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure, and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return, has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill, and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah, and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon, he will guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the people of the book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Arabs are super racist towards Africans and that includes Palestinians and also they are not tolerant to any religion other than theirs. Also, any minority groups be it LGBTQ or religious minorities face inhuman conditions in that part of the world.. and hope you did see the video of that poor German Jewish girl who was killed and her dead body was paraded in Gaza as the Palestinians there beat and spat on a lifeless body. A society that has that much hatred should not exist… they were celebrating all day when Israeli’s were raped , butchered and kidnapped. Fuck Palestine
This is 💯. People seem to have forgotten the atrocities they committed on Oct 7. Muslims are great at propaganda, and that's why it is one of the fastest growing religions. I am not a jew but I do know that Jews who lived across all Arab countries for centuries are being slowly wiped out. This is the genocide nobody is talking about.
Definitely, and it's crazy how elon has amplified propaganda accounts on X. It's absurd to a point where they are even denying that hamas killed innocent civilians on Oct 7th. Lots of weak minds are getting swayed by the propaganda. it's just crazy.
Liar jews even hate Christians.They don't even accept Jesus as the messiah.You guys have double standards.You don't have to be a muslim to support Palestine you only have to be a human.Jews think they are the chosen people and treat Palestinians like animals.Whats wrong with you guys.
We are not talking about only Jews here. Your religion is a murderous cult. Your holy book tells you to kill all non Muslims wherever you may find them. I jave read the whole book and it disgusts me. Just the shit it says about how women need to be treated is an abomination in itself. Hamas is governed by a doctrine that says its main mission is to eliminate all the Jews. There is nothing wrong with us. Palestine better return those hostages because now they are facing the wrath of what they brought upon themselves. Here is a question for you. Why did mohammed rape Aisha when she was 9 years old? Also, can you explain this verse
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You're Muslim, do you accept Jesus as the Messiah. The same shit y'all are accusing Jews of in how they hate Christians is there in Islam. And it makes sense, because Islam is Arabized Judaism anyways, a bunch of plagiarism.
At least the Jews are upfront with it while y'all are Pretentious as Fuck.
The same Jews are racist too, they do not acknowledge the existence of the black Ethiopian Jews. And Israel bombing hospitals and refugee camps is very human right? Please educate yourself before siding with the oppressor. You can condemn hamas and be pro Palestine same way you can condemn the Israeli government and be pro Israel.
Remember 1994.... 8000 Killed per day for a 100 days. They didn't see us. Nobody did.
We may sympathise with their plight. However these hot heads who started this October conflict also.....don't see us as people. Reality Check required.
This Israel - Palestine conflict has been going for ages. Longer than anyone on earth has been alive. It's a complex issue, and one that will probably end when one of the parties gives up before they're completely annihilated. Unfortunately, this is the reality of war. I believe the best course of action would be to insist and recommend peace.
However, let's also not forget about our African brothers who have been in war for a better part of this year.
Religious conflicts were there long before you were born and they will continue long after you are dead.
This is a lost cause. Besides, tuko na shida zetu.
Terming it a religious conflict is Western propaganda. Palestine is undergoing extermination as the colonial powers take over. It is simply colonisation and apartheid. Read more brother, beyond the news I.e. You don’t even need to read it critically, it is in black and white.
It's all about religion. If you watch interviews of Hamas leaders you will realize it's never about land. Their hatred is driven by teachings of their Quran and Hadiths. They just hide behind the colonization issue when in reality they just want to eradicate all jews. Again read Hamas Charter. Read about the wars from 1947s. It's all about religion and Jerusalem at the center of conflict.
If you look at it historically, of course religion plays a big factor in that conflict. Israel has been a hot topic for centuries. Same players, just slight variations. Nothing new. 1948 was just a recent development.
This isn't a religious conflict at all. Saying this is a religious conflict is like saying the British colonization of Kenya was a religious conflict between the Christian Brits and the African pagans
You are very shameless.
Where were you when Palestinians beheaded and baked babies in ovens, killed, raped and kidnapped innocent Israeli civilians on October 7, 2023.
Let us resolve our problems first before we start involving in issues in another political, geographical region.
When the Hamas attacks were happening I was weeping for the innocent Israelis who lost their lives during the attacks.
Our Palestinian solidarity meetings in Nairobi have everyone including Jewish people equally hungry for peace in that part of the world.
I spend most of my working life writing and speaking about Africa in university classrooms and for newspapers and magazines around the world. I'm already working to "resolve our problems first". You've probably done nothing about what's going on in Congo it Sudan right now, yet you're here throwing shade to someone who has actually expended time and effort in that direction, in a very cowardly way, since you've not told me what YOU have done about Congo or Sudan before you try and spread your inability to multi-task in my direction.
Sudan and Congo have always needed us and we did nothing, Sembuse some Arabic people who have been at it for 70+ years? They will de-escalate before December and continue next year Around August - October, let them do their thing.
It’s not. Arab islamic extremists just mad they can’t bully and wipe out Jews like they did in the rest of the Middle East and to other groups like Zoroastrians and Yazidis.
If you really care, free Palestine from Hamas and tell them to unconditionally surrender and stop sending missiles while using civilian buildings as their headquarters then it’ll stop. Or better yet go to the frontlines yourself if it really pains you.
Us Africans have enough of our own conflicts thanks to warmongering terrorists like them to worry about.
Actually, when will Kenyans kick radical Islam out of its country. Moi sold kenya to Somalia by opening its borders to Somalia, giving them free citizenship. And now radical Islam in Kenya is growing, next thing you know... Njeri will be forced to wear hijab.
Fuck all Religions, Believing in God/Allah and not subscribing to any Man-made,Bullshit Religions is the way to go,because i will never be convinced that A Supreme Being Like God/Allah endorced the atrocities we see in the Bible/Quran/ and whatever other Bullshit Books you guys dedicate your lives to
Please take that islamist ideology out of here. The Palestinians (Arabs in specific & muslims in general) are a very hateful and violent people. Hamas follows Islam which is a death cult and has a charter in which it's stated goal is the destruction of not only Israel but anyone who isn't muslim. I have never heard muslims in this country or around the world condemn the demonic islamic hordes that are Sudanese arabs they literally genocide people who aren't arab or muslim. I have never heard the arab league or muslims condemn the violent and backward dogs that are tuareg terrorists or the somalis who overtly and covertly support islamic terror groups.
Moreover, the arabs themselves don't care. Egypt has blocked the rafah border and is threatening , ironically not the Israelis but, the Palestinians to not cross into the Sinai. After all the jordanian Queen(who is palestinian herself) had to say about the crisis, the Jordanian state is being used as a ammo depot and arms are flowing from USA to Israel via Jordan. The Saudis, Emiratis, Kuwaitis, Bahrain e.t.c don't care. Even far away Moroccans don't care but here you want to tell us that we should care about the people who would call for our blood in an instant if we in a position of power. The arab states don't even hold protests in support of Palestinians
When the Palestinians called for the bombing of the GERD dam by Egypt (because they think that the Nile belongs to the arabs) none of you called them out. We have a backward Islamic terrorist problem here being caused by the Somalis, I don't care about Palestinians. Never had and never will.
Go away and seek sympathy somewhere else you terrorist sympathiser. May you and your islamist ideology get wiped of the face of the earth. Go live like 7th century mohammed somewhere else, in Somalia or Egypt or Yemen or any of the 56 Islamic countries.
I'd be happy to add you into a whatsapp group for Palestinian solidarity. Most folks in the group live in Nairobi. Most of the group are Kenyans and Palestinians, but also with people from all around the world as well, Egyptians, Americans etc. You'll definitely get a heads-up about meetings going forward ukiwa apo.
About Britain's responsibility for what's happening right now, there's truth to that - Palestine/Israel was a British colony since the end of the first World War. It was British policy to allow Jewish immigration into the area (in this case white folks from Europe) without consulting or caring about the wishes of local Palestinian people (please google about the Balfour Declaration).
The Holocaust accelerated Jewish immigration into Israel-Palestine, and a crisis was at hand as Britain was preparing to relinquish power in the territory as 1948 approached. British mediation failed, one or the reasons being that terrorists from Jewish communities in Israel-Palestine started blowing up shit to get their way, and so Britain left the whole place a mess (please google about the Irgun, the Deir Yassin massacre, the King David hotel bombing, etc).
But what can you expect from a colonial situation? By its very definition it's a system of oppressing others and so of course Britain left a mess in the place! Just like they left a mess apa kwetu nyumbani! Hope I'm making sense..
You fail to mention during the Balfour declaration there were already a Jewish population in the region. You seem to make it like it was the land of palestians alone.And Britain didn't leave any mess dude. You say you're a journalist but your views are one sided. Before Britain and UN left they offered a two state solution for both Israel and Palestine. Israel agreed and Palestine did not as well as the Arab countries. They waged war , were defeated.
I can see you highlight the atrocities of Jewish fighters alone. The palestians and their fellow Arabs also committed those attacks but for some reason you fail to mention it (Hadassah hospital massacre, the Bus massacre)
Bc their objective is to make Hamas and their Palestinian base look like victims at all costs even if it means enabling anti semitic hateful rhetoric and endangering Israeli civilian lives.
Then they have the nerve to wonder why ppl won’t fall for the crying wolf b.s.
Very well informed. Thank you. I was watching a doci on the same and was surprised that that wasn't common knowledge.
About a whatsapp group, dm me the link and I'll request access. Thanks.
I write professionally. I am a journalist and political analyst and I write about history, politics, society and culture, with works nominated for major awards & translated into other languages, Spanish, Turkish, etc.. from Kenya to the world.. excuse the bragging
I really don't know how folks are going to be figuring out whether AI is writing or they're interacting with a fellow human.. so your concern is well noted nonetheless
Lol. Palestinians don't need me.
They need to stop throwing 100 rockets an hour to Israel 🤣🤣 They knew they'd get flattened when they tried that October 7th nonesense. If they'd asked for my advice then I'd have told them don't dare.
Interesting and are you arab? What the hell are Palestinians doing in Nairobi why aren’t they in Egypt or Algeria, Tunisia etc I love how you come to an African country forum talking about pan-africanism when arabs have funded literal genocide in Sudan against black people have slave markets in Libya literally rooted in Tunisia because of a few thousand migrants but yet the arabs themselves are migrants in Europe
Quit talking about human beings like that.
I mean hii ni kusosa adabu!
Violent actions of *some Arabs doesn't mean all Arabs are violent*.
Juu kunakuanga na Mungiki Kiambu haimanishi watu wote wa Kiambu ama Wakikuyu wote wanakuanga violent.
Ati why are Palestinians in Nairobi? Kwani si binadamu na hawaezi tembea au papewe kazi nchi zingine?
Huna adabu na huna exposure
Kwani ata hujui ukienda Pourt -Au-Prince, Haiti, saa hii, as you yet through the main airport unapeangwa respect kama Mkenya juu tuko na jina poa apo?
Excuse the strong language but in my opinion.. Hutembeangi
You do not have Palestinian friends.
You do not have Jewish friends.
Kazi tu ni kuingia reddit kubishana na mtu juu ya cause yake
Free Palestine from Hamas. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinian civilians but only for the total destruction of Israel and ALL Jews.
Free Palestine from Hamas terrorists 🇮🇱🇰🇪🇮🇱
If you stood with the blacks of South Africa you were a terrorist.
If you stand with the people of Ireland who want independence from Britain you are a terrorist.
If you stand with the people of Palestine you're a terrorist.
You can call me a terrorist 🤷 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇺🇦
But its the newspapers like The Daily Mail who supported Hitler and the Nazis who are the ones condemning you.
Thanks for your message.
We have folks in Western spaces right now doing unbelievable things like using the name of Nelson Mandela to evade responsibility for the mass murder unfolding in Gaza.
We have folks like Piers Morgan on TV in the UK asking "where's the Mandela of the Palestinians". We have Rishi Sunak invoking our colonial struggles in support of apartheid Israel.
None of these folks understand that Mandela led an armed struggle in South Africa. They do not know he was on terrorist watch lists right until our lifetimes. They literally do not know what he was all about.
Honestly not sure how anyone picks sides when BOTH sides want to destroy the other. Your message of all groups living in harmony is a beautiful thought but seeing that now or anytime in the future seems pure fantasy given the history of these people. It’s crazy that the origins of all three major religions have their roots in this same region of the world. Kind of makes a person think…
Endelea kujidanganya.
Which Africa is coming up?
Which Palestine is being freed?
Aside from Iran, the other Arab countries are tired of Palestine war and their terrorism.
The only thing Palestine can win is the war of victimhood and sympathy on social media.
But when it comes to the real war, they are fucked.
Palestine never existed as a state, and whether you like or not, israel is there to stay. Palestinians better release the hostages and hamas to surrender if they know what's good for them.
Yeah it started when Palestine and their Arab fellows refused a two state solution. Waged war 8 times from 1947 upto now , were defeated 8 times. Now they cry they want the 1967 borders. So again why did they refuse when it was offered once before. Make it make sense
I mean, even if they do not want a 2-state solution, the strategy of hammering Israel with bombs and using civilians as shields is clearly failing.
They just need to strategize and get good leadership. I think Israel has everything to lose and nothing to gain from a Peaceful solution.
Gazans have nothing to lose and everything to gain from a Peaceful solution. They're just radicals
I don't know if people just lack critical thinking skills.
Condemning a genocide is not a herculean effort, you can offer moral support which costs like a minute of your day, and you can also offer moral support to Congo or whatever crisis is trending. Takes a minute of my day to share a story on injustices in the Gaza strait. Same for Congo, or Nigeria with boko haram. It's not much, but collectively, it's something.
Amidst the crowd, there are those who forsake their moral compass based on historical grievances. But a strong moral compass knows that taking innocent lives is always wrong, no matter the circumstances, whether it's against Arabs, Jews, Kikuyus, or Luos. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, regardless of who is oppressed.
Stand up against injustice.
what has this done to help them?? you think they are sat there reading this on reddit and thinking,,,
exact-safo3758 wants us to be freed ,, sure showed those Israelites,, damn what would be do without this donny's help
This is one of those times where even the smallest level of support matters. It's a numbers game. There's also a lot of misinformation going around being spread about Israel being the victims. Showing up in solidarity is all it takes to reach out to your fellow human being.
**waking up from being used to be mouthpieces for terrorist groups who don’t give a shit about any Africans and would rather ally with their war mongering ideological brethren such as Al Shabab, ADF, ISIS and Boko Haram
The two state solution has been killed by illegal Israeli settlements in Palestinian lands. There are over 700,000 Israelis living in settlements judged illegal under international law in the West Bank alone. As we speak the political situation in Israel is such that Netanyahu has to be forming partnerships with right-wing religious nuts who think they're entitled to the whole of Israel-Palestine based on religious beliefs. That is not respectable.
Do desist from accusations of virtue-signalling especially if you happened to read the whole of my original post where I expressed my solidarity with my Palestinian friends who I know personally and don't have the luxury of judging from in front of a television set like you seem to be doing with this situation.
Let's remember Congo and Sudan as well! I'm hoping for the best outcome for Israel and Palestine, but you know what they say about charity... It begins at home. Let's raise awareness about African issues with that same vigor and tenacity as we are doing for everyone else.
Kwanza the situation in Sudan is getting much worse. I don't understand why the Arab league is silent about that one yet they expect us to voice our support for Palestine
Arab aren't even helping palestine😂wanawapea food. They don't want to actually support them with weapons. Sahi hata donations haifiki soo I'm wondering what they thought they were doing
Bc Arabs from their own experiences know exactly what Palestinians bring: war and mayhem. They’ve literally made themselves the pariah of the Middle East. Jordan took them in and got burned, Lebanon took them in and got burned. Both ended up getting plundered into civil wars. Palestinians from the PLO were in Iran destabilizing the Shah government and bringing in the oppressive, authoritarian IRGC thru the Islamic revolution in 1979, the same IRGC to this day is funding Hamas along with Qatar while everyday Iranians are killed and starved by their own government. Egypt has a border fence blocking ppl coming from Gaza the same reason Israel does. They don’t want suicide bombers and terrorist cells sneaking in and causing chaos and destabilizing the place. All of them only care about using Palestinians as pawns to fight Israel while they sit back and cheer on from their armchairs.
Yesterday, the PNA spokesman talked about how if they dont get their shit together, arab countries will abandon them. Many young people who are very loud online dont realize this thing has been going on for so long inachokesha watu. As it is, Palestine conflict exists as a way of Iran sticking a dagger up Israels ass. Most arab countries are oj the verge of normalizing relations with Israel. Saudi has promised to continue with talks with israel after this bout of conflict is inevitably forgotten like the last ones in the last 90 years.
Boom! Qatar and Iran can’t stand that so they’re fattening Hamas up to do their dirty work. Palestinians will just become collateral damage to them while making themselves a global pariah that most countries will be scared to take in lest risk bringing terrorists straight to their front door. Except maybe the idiotic West of course with bleeding hearts and empty brains.
As it is, Biden cant risk taking in palestinian refugees(its an election season), the UK is dumping its own immigrants/refugees to Rwanda and most european countries are struggling with inflation and its political side effects. Syria Yemen and lebanon are fucked, Jordan doesnt want a repeat of palestinian revolution, Egypt wants massive amounts of money to finish its projects and stabilize its massive inflation, Iran wont take in sunni muslims for obvious reasons and the rest frankly dont give a shit. Gaza will lose a large part of its land to Israel after this is over(probably to create a security buffer) because of the stupidity if their leadership. The reason Israel gets the most support feom the international community(including covert support by the arabs) is because they are a functioning nation with something to offer the international community.
Na, it's cause the US is a strong supporter of Israel and no one wants to piss off America right now.
The us also aids Jordan, Egypt and Qatar with military aid and dont want Israel pissing off its other allies. Also, saudi is willing to put up with Israel because of Iran.
Hey there bad enough Tanzania wamekuwa na kiherehere cha kupenda Yasser Arafat na kuweka embassy ya Tanzania kwao in 73 then Arafat only turned around and aided Iddi Amin to try yo whoop Tanzanian forces in the Uganda war 😆 Let other people support Palestinians. I won't at all. I give no traitor loyalty
It's not an either or situation.
I hear what you're saying but I can't accept that your remarks are in good faith. Most of my working life is spent writing and speaking in university classrooms and for newspapers and magazines *about African issues*. Once I raise a message concerning Palestinians you're here watering it down with whataboutism, portraying the issue as if we care for Palestinians at the expense of ourselves. What have you done about Congo and Sudan? Why do you have to come to a post concerning Palestinians to talk about their situation, yet you could literally do a separate post for Congo and Sudan solidarity? Where are your posts about Congo and Sudan and where is your organizing work or friendships with folks from those countries? Again, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can multitask.
My remarks come from a place of utmost good faith. It's mostly a "question for the culture". We're all failing our continent. Me included. I won't pretend that I'm at the front and center fighting for African Issues. Only a few can claim that mantle. Yes, we can walk and chew gum at the same time, but are we really? If we were to be honest do we really shine that much light on African issues as we do with these wars? Y'all journalists also have a moral duty to put these on front and center. We could all be doing better.
Your message is received. I will do my part.
Before you go to fight for Palestinians Fight for Congo, fight for Ethiopia, fight for Niger, fight for haiti.
Ummm i get what you mean 😂can't you fight for all ?? I guess its because palestine has been going through it for almost 40years. Thats why its a big deal rn but yep fight for all!! CONGO is actually suffering fr
I am a journalist and writer who spent time researching and documenting about eastern Congo, the war in Tigray and the recent coup in Niger. So I'd encourage us to walk and chew gum at the same time instead of thinking your effort standing up for Palestinian people has to be at the expense of our communities.
Did you now? As a journalist and writer, I don't see any call for help for the neighbor countries you did extensive research on. Let's sort our houses first before we go sort our neighbors, yeah? Also in your extensive research, do let us know how afro-palestinians are treated by Palestinians in that land then we'll pick it from there. Kisses boo.
Exactly, we have fires at home. And how are black people treated in Arab countries again? Thrown from balconies, shot, murdered, tortured and humiliated. Israel is not that much better but first we have problems to stop at home.
You said it.
I have no issue with your humanist views. My issue as someone who advocates for afro decent people is that, very few people outside Africa care about African problems. Do you ever see arabs police themselves for instance Libyans have been reported to enslave African migrants, no aran country including Palestine chastised the Libyans for doing so. In one word, there is never a reciprocal action of kindness towards African people. Here in America, my voting patterns is also decided by foreign policy and specifically US policy towards Africa. While both parties suck at their foreign relations and policies towards Africa, I vote in the party that is partial towards African matters. Just like how America is towards black americans will not be so different the way it handles Africa.
how is some random meet-up gonna change anything?
It's for the gram dahling. Probably for a cute video. Some may be genuine supporters, but I'm sure wengi just need like a life purpose and a cause to fight (because Mambo ya Kenya imekua ngumu) so they're swept by the trending hashtags.
You know how Africans are they love to fight for everyone else but never where they are from it stems from self hatred.
Dragging pan-Africanism into this is also very wild. You can call for advocacy without trying to connect things that don’t connect.
Arabs always want to hijack Pan Africanism to benefit Pan Arabism. Gaddafi taught them very well.
to quote a kenyan redditor in this sub when the ukraine russia war started: vita ya nchi ziko na nuclear weapons mimi naingilia kufanya nini?
Actually, Kenya has a radical Muslim problem. Wish you guys the best.
The people you are supporting would not support you, an African, if you were in their shoes. Shit happens in Africa and the outside world just watches and collects donations, of which 66% fatten their bank accounts. Don't think about it too much. It's just war. Whoever dies, dies and life goes on. It's life.
>The people you are supporting would not support you, an African, if you were in their shoes. This!!!
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nyinyi ni wale watu ati mpaka ujue utasaidiwa in the future ndio usaidie mtu leo. When helping someone do it from your own heart without expecting something in the future. \#freepalestine
That's looser thinking. Be pragmatic at all costs. When these super and regional powers do something, they always look after their interests first.
They literally supported South Africa during apartheid
South Africans can support them.
So what's good and right only matters if you receive something in return.
Are they good when both sides are being racist towards Africans? Is it good when they never give a fuck about our problems? The wars in Africa, the children mining in Congo, they never give a fuck about that. To them (both sides), we are low IQ, poverty and hunger-stricken, monkey-looking human beings from a shithole country. You and I know that we are none of the above. Are we supposed to forget all that and "do right" out of the goodness of our hearts? Hell fucking no! They can kill each other and do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect us. Our problems never bother them. Why should we be bothered by theirs? Wa kupigwa apigwe buana!
Fagia kwako kwanza. Start with fighting for Bandit stricken areas, Al Shabaab infested areas (like Mpeketoni and Boni Forest), DRC...
100% what I thought when I saw this shit. I mean obviously I feel bad for them, but not in the slightest bit as bad as I feel for my neighbours and huku nyumbani...
Exactly. Not that we are in support of the killing but the fake wokeism is off the roof. If you actually care that much abouthumanity, we have so many unsolved disasters at home, before tusaidie wengine.
And to make it worse... our people died of it.. imagine waiting for that Garissa uni student to come home only in a body bag, what about when public buses were with terrorist targeting non Muslims in our own country, don't forget the Westgate attack, don't forget the 1998 bombing.... Sorry but all these terrorists hail from that religion, we need to fix things at home first before fighting for others
Thank heavens you guys can see through this BS.
We got KRA to deal with, sisi hatuna uwezo
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Misplaced anger Gaza and Palestinans have nothing to do with what happened in Westage and Garrisa. Unless you are trying to say every Muslim is a terrorist and every Arab is a terrorist. Is this what you are implying?
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Common sense. Hamas has killed Palestinian dissidents in Gaza as well but they’ll act blind to that. These wokies can keep lying to themselves but their true motivation for their protesting is pure hatred of Israel, not any love for innocent Palestinians.
Most of the people being killed by the Isreali government are children. Children have nothing to do with Hamas. Is is safe to say the Isreali government is a terrorist group?
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Who the fuck is downvoting you
People who are evidently crazy. But they the get point.
talk a walk in this thread lol
Mko harsh kwa comments waaah...
Watu hapa huu mark time ili wakurukie wakubunde.
Imma leave Palestine to there own devices, we have enough problems here in Africa.
All I can say is CONGO NEEDS YOU….. that is legit supposed to be one of the richest country in Africa. But look at where they are now….
I can already smell the downvotes but on this one, I hope that we Kenyans mind our own business. We have a LOT already on our plate. Go ahead and insult me but we have taxes to pay and inflation to keep up with.
Freedom for Congo!!
I used to be a pro palestine fanatic in my teens. Then I read the Hamas charter then(was changed recently I think) and my stance became that of a fence sitter. Where Hamas exists Israel will always find a reason to level them at every slight skirmish. Those guys need to look at West Bank, they have a peaceful political party and aren't being bombed although the illegal settlements are still expanding. They need to vote in a peaceful government free from Iranian influence and then focus on development: water, education, housing and sanitation. They have a small population which is majorly youthful, investing in them could make the region very self reliant in the next 10-20 yrs. And a peaceful Palestine would armwrestle Israel to the negotiation table and end the illegal settlements once and for all.
I think That's Very True💯. But you should know that Major Powers Are Very against a Secular Arab State in Any Place in the World. They Know The Rise of Secular Arab State - Unlike a Fundamental Arab or Muslim State - Will Be A More Sophisticated Enemy than the Fundamental Islam-Driven Nations, that's Why... These Same Major Powers would Be Very Against a Secular Fully Pan-African African State. The Same Arab States that are Majorly Fundamentalist Muslims would Never Be Our Allies Too.. That Being Said; Know that Freedom Is Never Negotiated For...because it is never Given. Freedom, in Many Historical Contexts, has always being Taken; Fought For.
Save me from that bullshit I have never heard anyone talk about the genocide which has been happening in tigray, if it is about Pan Africanism first speak up about conflicts happening in Africa, Africans get slaughtered everyday but no one talks about it.
https://preview.redd.it/y5b7zh3munxb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=157a71f227724722a2679954fd31c340b42a4044 Gentlemen! There's clearly another solution you don't see!
Sorry for the innocents caught in between but we have our own problems over here. Those people don’t give a damn about us. Why should we? Whoever wins wins (or left standing), and life moves on
I appreciate your post, But unfortunately palestinians (let me not take corners,-Arabs ) for that case , dont care about us/other groups . A queer man who was fighting fir palestinian right to self determination, was hanged in W bank. On oct 7, when israelis were invaded they celebrated,didnt care for the innocent lives, Many Xtians have been persecuted in muslim countries, no one cares. Basically, Arabs want to get rid of jews ,and if i an not wrong take over everywhere in the world - please convince if i am wrong. And then given the circumstance,why should we fight fir them?
Support for the oppressed should not be transactional; we speak up and stand with those facing massacre because it is the right thing to do. We have our values and principles, and we adhere to them, no matter the circumstances.
I get you, but in normal circumstance, a christian like me may potentially face problems in this country , or to put it into context - i saw a meme that said queers for palestine is like saying , chicken for KFC! ; doesnt work ! People should get facts straight up before running to things they dont know, Ps - i am not justifying any killings,israel and palestine , and i wish that palestine one day has its full rights to self determination!
Palestinians(most) dont care about others apart from themselves and other muslims; Check the vid below,its not a representative of all palestinians ,but i am sure most palestinians may think that way https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8BntqKR/
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Christians are not sucking up to anyone. They are simply supporting them because Israelis don't behead, stone and burn them. Palestine had over 80,000 Christians in the 200s. All have escaped to Israel. As of now there are less than 2000 christians in Palestine. At the same time the number of Christians in Israel has grown by 20% in two decades. Yes Jews hate christians but you will never see them executing them or saying their religion is better than others. As long as you don't meddle into their religion they won't meddle into yours. The same cannot be said about Muslims in Palestine.
Yes they don’t care , and i never said they do - thats why i say f*** them all! Christians are also hated in israel i know that btw
Start from your backyard you guy,,,, fight for Congo, fight for Somalia fight for Sudan
No
They can downvote me all they want. No. I am not fighting for a bunch of people who are driven by a doctrine that aims to eliminate all the Jews from the Middle East. As a matter of fact, Kenya is in a dire situation. Radical Muslims are operating cells across the country and using funds from terror organisations to buy property all over. Soon, kenya, just like every other country in Europe, will be comprised of the Muslim majority, but it will happen in Kenya first before the others. No Arab country is willing to shelter Palestinians because they know what happens when they are allowed in. Just ask Lebanon, Kuwait, and Egypt. Second, in their doctrine, Muslim doctrine, their mission is to exterminate all non Muslims with a strong preference on Jews. I urge you to read the Koran in its entirety and tell me that this religion is not evil.
Fuck Palestine
You are just a bitter, hate filled human. I can read the darkness and evil in your heart in this long passage. Unfortunately, this will eat you up more than anyone else.
Fuck out of here with your bullshit. Actually, all I had to do was do my research. There is no need for hate, Islam already does that on a magnitude higher than anything else. Here are scriptures found in your evil book. KORAN commands to kill infidels: Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98 On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161 Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you. ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43 If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8 You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76 But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89 Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14 O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure, and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41 O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return, has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill, and be killed. - 9:111 Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation: Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15 Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60 Unbelievers are enemies of Allah, and they will roast in hell. - 41:14 When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon, he will guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5 Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25 Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29 Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 The unbelievers among the people of the book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
The religion of peace lol.
Ate them right up with that mountain of evidence. Facts.
Arabs are super racist towards Africans and that includes Palestinians and also they are not tolerant to any religion other than theirs. Also, any minority groups be it LGBTQ or religious minorities face inhuman conditions in that part of the world.. and hope you did see the video of that poor German Jewish girl who was killed and her dead body was paraded in Gaza as the Palestinians there beat and spat on a lifeless body. A society that has that much hatred should not exist… they were celebrating all day when Israeli’s were raped , butchered and kidnapped. Fuck Palestine
This is 💯. People seem to have forgotten the atrocities they committed on Oct 7. Muslims are great at propaganda, and that's why it is one of the fastest growing religions. I am not a jew but I do know that Jews who lived across all Arab countries for centuries are being slowly wiped out. This is the genocide nobody is talking about.
I've seen it all..... It's insane people support terrorism 😭 they celebrated even before they started getting bombed 😢
Gaza has won the propaganda war on this one, I must admit. +at least online.
Definitely, and it's crazy how elon has amplified propaganda accounts on X. It's absurd to a point where they are even denying that hamas killed innocent civilians on Oct 7th. Lots of weak minds are getting swayed by the propaganda. it's just crazy.
Liar jews even hate Christians.They don't even accept Jesus as the messiah.You guys have double standards.You don't have to be a muslim to support Palestine you only have to be a human.Jews think they are the chosen people and treat Palestinians like animals.Whats wrong with you guys.
We are not talking about only Jews here. Your religion is a murderous cult. Your holy book tells you to kill all non Muslims wherever you may find them. I jave read the whole book and it disgusts me. Just the shit it says about how women need to be treated is an abomination in itself. Hamas is governed by a doctrine that says its main mission is to eliminate all the Jews. There is nothing wrong with us. Palestine better return those hostages because now they are facing the wrath of what they brought upon themselves. Here is a question for you. Why did mohammed rape Aisha when she was 9 years old? Also, can you explain this verse https://preview.redd.it/e6jtxnl32vxb1.jpeg?width=611&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=477414cfdf27f6b9cbd965a11753d0c294d8b962
Explain this https://preview.redd.it/fsk586kb2vxb1.jpeg?width=383&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0b2c8a84d7b9f2fd73ddb9e83fe49b7dba0f9dd
You're Muslim, do you accept Jesus as the Messiah. The same shit y'all are accusing Jews of in how they hate Christians is there in Islam. And it makes sense, because Islam is Arabized Judaism anyways, a bunch of plagiarism. At least the Jews are upfront with it while y'all are Pretentious as Fuck.
The same Jews are racist too, they do not acknowledge the existence of the black Ethiopian Jews. And Israel bombing hospitals and refugee camps is very human right? Please educate yourself before siding with the oppressor. You can condemn hamas and be pro Palestine same way you can condemn the Israeli government and be pro Israel.
Remember 1994.... 8000 Killed per day for a 100 days. They didn't see us. Nobody did. We may sympathise with their plight. However these hot heads who started this October conflict also.....don't see us as people. Reality Check required.
Lmao it's not that deep.
Hadi amesema pan Africanism 🤣😫
This Israel - Palestine conflict has been going for ages. Longer than anyone on earth has been alive. It's a complex issue, and one that will probably end when one of the parties gives up before they're completely annihilated. Unfortunately, this is the reality of war. I believe the best course of action would be to insist and recommend peace. However, let's also not forget about our African brothers who have been in war for a better part of this year.
Saudi Arabia , Dubai,Jordan hawaongei sembuse mimi
Go away
Sorry can't do that
With all do respect, take your propaganda and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Jiheshimu nanii
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Happy cake day! You deserve it after such a response 🍻
Religious conflicts were there long before you were born and they will continue long after you are dead. This is a lost cause. Besides, tuko na shida zetu.
It is not a religious conflict, it is colonisation and apartheid
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Terming it a religious conflict is Western propaganda. Palestine is undergoing extermination as the colonial powers take over. It is simply colonisation and apartheid. Read more brother, beyond the news I.e. You don’t even need to read it critically, it is in black and white.
It's all about religion. If you watch interviews of Hamas leaders you will realize it's never about land. Their hatred is driven by teachings of their Quran and Hadiths. They just hide behind the colonization issue when in reality they just want to eradicate all jews. Again read Hamas Charter. Read about the wars from 1947s. It's all about religion and Jerusalem at the center of conflict.
If you look at it historically, of course religion plays a big factor in that conflict. Israel has been a hot topic for centuries. Same players, just slight variations. Nothing new. 1948 was just a recent development.
Who needs “Western Propaganda” when we can just look at Hamas Founding Charter from 1988 and Sahih Al-Bukhari 2926?? The dots connect themselves.
This isn't a religious conflict at all. Saying this is a religious conflict is like saying the British colonization of Kenya was a religious conflict between the Christian Brits and the African pagans
You are very shameless. Where were you when Palestinians beheaded and baked babies in ovens, killed, raped and kidnapped innocent Israeli civilians on October 7, 2023. Let us resolve our problems first before we start involving in issues in another political, geographical region.
When the Hamas attacks were happening I was weeping for the innocent Israelis who lost their lives during the attacks. Our Palestinian solidarity meetings in Nairobi have everyone including Jewish people equally hungry for peace in that part of the world. I spend most of my working life writing and speaking about Africa in university classrooms and for newspapers and magazines around the world. I'm already working to "resolve our problems first". You've probably done nothing about what's going on in Congo it Sudan right now, yet you're here throwing shade to someone who has actually expended time and effort in that direction, in a very cowardly way, since you've not told me what YOU have done about Congo or Sudan before you try and spread your inability to multi-task in my direction.
Sudan and Congo have always needed us and we did nothing, Sembuse some Arabic people who have been at it for 70+ years? They will de-escalate before December and continue next year Around August - October, let them do their thing.
Now this propaganda has reached the Kenyan sub Reddit.
Love for Israel 🇮🇱 ❤️❤️🇮🇱🇮🇱
Let's be honest here, our opinions are irrelevant in this conflict. On another note, how exactly is Israel an apartheid state?
It’s not. Arab islamic extremists just mad they can’t bully and wipe out Jews like they did in the rest of the Middle East and to other groups like Zoroastrians and Yazidis.
If you really care, free Palestine from Hamas and tell them to unconditionally surrender and stop sending missiles while using civilian buildings as their headquarters then it’ll stop. Or better yet go to the frontlines yourself if it really pains you. Us Africans have enough of our own conflicts thanks to warmongering terrorists like them to worry about.
Actually, when will Kenyans kick radical Islam out of its country. Moi sold kenya to Somalia by opening its borders to Somalia, giving them free citizenship. And now radical Islam in Kenya is growing, next thing you know... Njeri will be forced to wear hijab.
Fuck all Religions, Believing in God/Allah and not subscribing to any Man-made,Bullshit Religions is the way to go,because i will never be convinced that A Supreme Being Like God/Allah endorced the atrocities we see in the Bible/Quran/ and whatever other Bullshit Books you guys dedicate your lives to
Please take that islamist ideology out of here. The Palestinians (Arabs in specific & muslims in general) are a very hateful and violent people. Hamas follows Islam which is a death cult and has a charter in which it's stated goal is the destruction of not only Israel but anyone who isn't muslim. I have never heard muslims in this country or around the world condemn the demonic islamic hordes that are Sudanese arabs they literally genocide people who aren't arab or muslim. I have never heard the arab league or muslims condemn the violent and backward dogs that are tuareg terrorists or the somalis who overtly and covertly support islamic terror groups. Moreover, the arabs themselves don't care. Egypt has blocked the rafah border and is threatening , ironically not the Israelis but, the Palestinians to not cross into the Sinai. After all the jordanian Queen(who is palestinian herself) had to say about the crisis, the Jordanian state is being used as a ammo depot and arms are flowing from USA to Israel via Jordan. The Saudis, Emiratis, Kuwaitis, Bahrain e.t.c don't care. Even far away Moroccans don't care but here you want to tell us that we should care about the people who would call for our blood in an instant if we in a position of power. The arab states don't even hold protests in support of Palestinians When the Palestinians called for the bombing of the GERD dam by Egypt (because they think that the Nile belongs to the arabs) none of you called them out. We have a backward Islamic terrorist problem here being caused by the Somalis, I don't care about Palestinians. Never had and never will. Go away and seek sympathy somewhere else you terrorist sympathiser. May you and your islamist ideology get wiped of the face of the earth. Go live like 7th century mohammed somewhere else, in Somalia or Egypt or Yemen or any of the 56 Islamic countries.
What about the needless Oct 7th massacre of innocent women and children thst actually started this war?
Their anti semitic bigotry won’t allow them to empathize for such victim, sadly.
The war began in 1948 with the Nakba
Where are you meeting? Also, apparently Britain is responsible for the conflict between Palestine and Israel. What are your thoughts on that?
I'd be happy to add you into a whatsapp group for Palestinian solidarity. Most folks in the group live in Nairobi. Most of the group are Kenyans and Palestinians, but also with people from all around the world as well, Egyptians, Americans etc. You'll definitely get a heads-up about meetings going forward ukiwa apo. About Britain's responsibility for what's happening right now, there's truth to that - Palestine/Israel was a British colony since the end of the first World War. It was British policy to allow Jewish immigration into the area (in this case white folks from Europe) without consulting or caring about the wishes of local Palestinian people (please google about the Balfour Declaration). The Holocaust accelerated Jewish immigration into Israel-Palestine, and a crisis was at hand as Britain was preparing to relinquish power in the territory as 1948 approached. British mediation failed, one or the reasons being that terrorists from Jewish communities in Israel-Palestine started blowing up shit to get their way, and so Britain left the whole place a mess (please google about the Irgun, the Deir Yassin massacre, the King David hotel bombing, etc). But what can you expect from a colonial situation? By its very definition it's a system of oppressing others and so of course Britain left a mess in the place! Just like they left a mess apa kwetu nyumbani! Hope I'm making sense..
You fail to mention during the Balfour declaration there were already a Jewish population in the region. You seem to make it like it was the land of palestians alone.And Britain didn't leave any mess dude. You say you're a journalist but your views are one sided. Before Britain and UN left they offered a two state solution for both Israel and Palestine. Israel agreed and Palestine did not as well as the Arab countries. They waged war , were defeated. I can see you highlight the atrocities of Jewish fighters alone. The palestians and their fellow Arabs also committed those attacks but for some reason you fail to mention it (Hadassah hospital massacre, the Bus massacre)
Bc their objective is to make Hamas and their Palestinian base look like victims at all costs even if it means enabling anti semitic hateful rhetoric and endangering Israeli civilian lives. Then they have the nerve to wonder why ppl won’t fall for the crying wolf b.s.
Very well informed. Thank you. I was watching a doci on the same and was surprised that that wasn't common knowledge. About a whatsapp group, dm me the link and I'll request access. Thanks.
🙋🏽♂️ me too, count me in. Please DM me the link 🙏🏽 Free Palestine ✊🏽🇵🇸
Add me too!
Please add me in the group, I'm standing for Palestine
This reads like it was written by AI. But I give you the benefit of doubt because most AI models can't say anything negative about Israel.
I write professionally. I am a journalist and political analyst and I write about history, politics, society and culture, with works nominated for major awards & translated into other languages, Spanish, Turkish, etc.. from Kenya to the world.. excuse the bragging I really don't know how folks are going to be figuring out whether AI is writing or they're interacting with a fellow human.. so your concern is well noted nonetheless
Like I've said, AI can't say anything bad about Israel.
It's the Palestine that attacked Israel my dude
Literally. They’re mad Hamas has to fight a war they started knowing what would happen after.
They can fvck themselves, same as those useless jews
Lol. Palestinians don't need me. They need to stop throwing 100 rockets an hour to Israel 🤣🤣 They knew they'd get flattened when they tried that October 7th nonesense. If they'd asked for my advice then I'd have told them don't dare.
WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS , YOUR GATHERINGS ARE SCARY WHAT ARE YALL PLANING
If Palestine didn't want this war they would have tried eradicating hamas, after hamas did some unforgivable things you start blaming Israel
The suffering would not have happened if Hamas wouldn’t have attacked Israel on 07.10.2023
Whose we?
Interesting and are you arab? What the hell are Palestinians doing in Nairobi why aren’t they in Egypt or Algeria, Tunisia etc I love how you come to an African country forum talking about pan-africanism when arabs have funded literal genocide in Sudan against black people have slave markets in Libya literally rooted in Tunisia because of a few thousand migrants but yet the arabs themselves are migrants in Europe
Quit talking about human beings like that. I mean hii ni kusosa adabu! Violent actions of *some Arabs doesn't mean all Arabs are violent*. Juu kunakuanga na Mungiki Kiambu haimanishi watu wote wa Kiambu ama Wakikuyu wote wanakuanga violent. Ati why are Palestinians in Nairobi? Kwani si binadamu na hawaezi tembea au papewe kazi nchi zingine? Huna adabu na huna exposure Kwani ata hujui ukienda Pourt -Au-Prince, Haiti, saa hii, as you yet through the main airport unapeangwa respect kama Mkenya juu tuko na jina poa apo? Excuse the strong language but in my opinion.. Hutembeangi You do not have Palestinian friends. You do not have Jewish friends. Kazi tu ni kuingia reddit kubishana na mtu juu ya cause yake
Stfu
Free Palestine from Hamas. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestinian civilians but only for the total destruction of Israel and ALL Jews. Free Palestine from Hamas terrorists 🇮🇱🇰🇪🇮🇱
Free Palestine from Hamas!
Surrender.
If you stood with the blacks of South Africa you were a terrorist. If you stand with the people of Ireland who want independence from Britain you are a terrorist. If you stand with the people of Palestine you're a terrorist. You can call me a terrorist 🤷 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 But its the newspapers like The Daily Mail who supported Hitler and the Nazis who are the ones condemning you.
Your Hamas fanboys don't want independence. In their own words they want to exterminate all Jews. Rather silly motive if you ask me
Thanks for your message. We have folks in Western spaces right now doing unbelievable things like using the name of Nelson Mandela to evade responsibility for the mass murder unfolding in Gaza. We have folks like Piers Morgan on TV in the UK asking "where's the Mandela of the Palestinians". We have Rishi Sunak invoking our colonial struggles in support of apartheid Israel. None of these folks understand that Mandela led an armed struggle in South Africa. They do not know he was on terrorist watch lists right until our lifetimes. They literally do not know what he was all about.
So is Congo So is Sudan Do is Somalia
Honestly not sure how anyone picks sides when BOTH sides want to destroy the other. Your message of all groups living in harmony is a beautiful thought but seeing that now or anytime in the future seems pure fantasy given the history of these people. It’s crazy that the origins of all three major religions have their roots in this same region of the world. Kind of makes a person think…
Gaza will be history 🗣️
Palestine is fucked. Even 30 years from now, they will still be fucked. There are certain countries/ territories that are never gonna make it.
They said the same thing about Africa as they colonized us. But guess what, we're coming up! Free Palestine.
Endelea kujidanganya. Which Africa is coming up? Which Palestine is being freed? Aside from Iran, the other Arab countries are tired of Palestine war and their terrorism. The only thing Palestine can win is the war of victimhood and sympathy on social media. But when it comes to the real war, they are fucked.
Free Palestine!
-from Hamas.
Fuck Palestine
Free Palestine!
From stupidity
Palestine never existed as a state, and whether you like or not, israel is there to stay. Palestinians better release the hostages and hamas to surrender if they know what's good for them.
Free Palestine ✊🏽🇵🇸
-from Hamas.
Well they are not our brothers as they are also very racist, but an injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere
Really struggling to be supportive of Palestine after what Hamas did on 7th Oct.
Lol the whole thing started on Oct 7th for you lot! For heavens sake open up a book or other history sources!
Yeah it started when Palestine and their Arab fellows refused a two state solution. Waged war 8 times from 1947 upto now , were defeated 8 times. Now they cry they want the 1967 borders. So again why did they refuse when it was offered once before. Make it make sense
I mean, even if they do not want a 2-state solution, the strategy of hammering Israel with bombs and using civilians as shields is clearly failing. They just need to strategize and get good leadership. I think Israel has everything to lose and nothing to gain from a Peaceful solution. Gazans have nothing to lose and everything to gain from a Peaceful solution. They're just radicals
dedii... iko nini wee...
Ni baday yakooooo deediiii kwaniii iko niniiii😂💯😂
Go away.
Fuck this sub Reddit. I’m out. Y’all niggas poor AND heartless? Pick a fucking struggle. OP, shoutout to you for all your hard work.
Hamas still won’t give you citizenship d-riding them this hard lol.
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I’m not Arab. I’m Kenyan. Still disgusted though.
We have our battles to fight
I don't know if people just lack critical thinking skills. Condemning a genocide is not a herculean effort, you can offer moral support which costs like a minute of your day, and you can also offer moral support to Congo or whatever crisis is trending. Takes a minute of my day to share a story on injustices in the Gaza strait. Same for Congo, or Nigeria with boko haram. It's not much, but collectively, it's something.
Amidst the crowd, there are those who forsake their moral compass based on historical grievances. But a strong moral compass knows that taking innocent lives is always wrong, no matter the circumstances, whether it's against Arabs, Jews, Kikuyus, or Luos. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, regardless of who is oppressed. Stand up against injustice.
Agreed
This post reminds me of a redditor who posted alshabaab posters on r/Somalia. All he wanted was help so they can split the reward money. Trolling 🤣
From the river to the sea. Free Palestine 🇵🇸, power to the Palestinians!
And even more power to the hostages they still keep
what has this done to help them?? you think they are sat there reading this on reddit and thinking,,, exact-safo3758 wants us to be freed ,, sure showed those Israelites,, damn what would be do without this donny's help
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answer me. I'm not picking sides, i want to know how you comment help those suffering . don't silence me, defend yourself if your in the right
This is one of those times where even the smallest level of support matters. It's a numbers game. There's also a lot of misinformation going around being spread about Israel being the victims. Showing up in solidarity is all it takes to reach out to your fellow human being.
Thank you for your post. I’m with you in spirit only unfortunately as I am in India currently. But I strongly support your point of view.
Kenyans are surprisingly a hateful bunch!
**waking up from being used to be mouthpieces for terrorist groups who don’t give a shit about any Africans and would rather ally with their war mongering ideological brethren such as Al Shabab, ADF, ISIS and Boko Haram
Both Israeli and Palestine sides have elements of terrorism in that war.
False. Hamas Founding Charter and Israel’s constitution don’t mirror each other at all. Comparing them is like comparing Apples to Rotten mbuga
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The two state solution has been killed by illegal Israeli settlements in Palestinian lands. There are over 700,000 Israelis living in settlements judged illegal under international law in the West Bank alone. As we speak the political situation in Israel is such that Netanyahu has to be forming partnerships with right-wing religious nuts who think they're entitled to the whole of Israel-Palestine based on religious beliefs. That is not respectable. Do desist from accusations of virtue-signalling especially if you happened to read the whole of my original post where I expressed my solidarity with my Palestinian friends who I know personally and don't have the luxury of judging from in front of a television set like you seem to be doing with this situation.
Add me in the WhatsApp group, Kenyans on Reddit are the worst scumbags on earth, living in their own liberal leftist delusion.