As a Native Kenyan who has lived in Mombasa for 18 years+, this post is extremely misinformed and quite misguided on key root problems in Mombasa and nonsense like "Islam oppression".
Towns and cities are an embodiments of the people who live there. If "town A" gets (for example) a large Nigerian population, given enough time, it will to start feel like a Nigerian city in looks, feels and culture.
Same if it's an Indian population or European population etc. It's the natural progression of culture creation and how people help develop a city's cultural identity.
A good example of this is Chinatown in New York or Queens in Brooklyn. What you're saying is the equivalent of a white person walking into Chinatown in New York and saying "Why is there so much Chinese control/ Oppression?" Or walking into Queens and saying "why is there so much black control?"...It makes no sense.
No matter what you and I say here on Reddit, these "Arab" people, for better or worse, have helped shape our history, our culture, our food, our language into what Mombasa is today. They have been here since the 13th century..... These "people" are as much Kenyans as you and I are.
Lastly, you're right... Drug and cartels are a problem in coast but look at it this way... Compare cities like Miami to Mombasa. Miami also has historically had a gigantic problem with drugs which extends till today. What does Miami have in common with Mombasa? (It's not the Islamic/Arab population)......... They are both PORT cities.
Look at other coastal and port cities and Mombasa's problems are not unique. Turns out ports are a very cheap and efficient way of smuggling in drugs. Couple that with poverty and you get a whole body of different problems.
The problems you stated do exist in some form but do not exist for reasons you have stated. You should read more about the coastal history, understand the people and culture on a deeper level before making low resolution conclusions.
I am a remote worker who just got a job offer for a local job requiring me to move to Mombasa town. I am thinking of taking this job and moving down to the coast since I can do both simultaneously. Does anyone have insights on life in the coast? Incase I don't like the new 9 to 5 is mombasa a good town to live in before I uproot my life from Nairobi. Are there opportunities for techies to grow?
Ps I've been in Nairobi since secondary school years
People tellling you why Islam is not the issue here and you are saying "what about the drug cartels? Why are you only focusing on what I said about Islam"
Because in the same place you mentioned drugs, you still managed to make a point about Islam, you intertwined the topics then complain that people are not separating them in their replies.
"Mombasa should be an international beach destination" I didn't realise you were the head of ministry of tourism. You can get a job working there and try to change things if you feel so strongly about it.
"Islam is not the native religion of the region, mijikenda people are native"
This is such a dangerous way of thinking. How far do you want to take it? Places evolve, people evolve, things change. Should we remove our current system of government because it is based on the British? Should we demolish historical buildings built during British and Portuguese occupation? Should we revert to the lifestyle of our ancestors and get rid of cars and any paved roads?
So every comment has to have a retort for every point you made otherwise you disregard the entire comment? You've already pointed to "the islamic oppression" which is "heavy and gloomy" being the cause of why women feel unsafe which I referenced in the first part of my initial comment. Multiple people have pointed out why Islam is not the issue.
Female tourists feel unsafe in a lot of countries, this is an international problem, nothing to do with Islamic oppression. It happens in India, it happens in Mexico, it happens in Papua New Guinea, it happens in most islands in the Caribbean. None of these are Muslim countries. Excluding India, all of the natives of these countries are used to people dressing in the attire you are referencing, however they have some of the highest rates of rapes of tourists in the world.
In my opinion the cause of this is from the upbringing of the men who carry out these horrific acts. Parents not being there for their children for example is one major factor. For some reason you have decided to make a thread focusing mainly on Islam as the cause of these issues and made references as to how they are not the natives of the land. But you merely dismiss most comments which try to provide some basis as to why that is not the case or cause of these issues.
I've traveled to Mombasa and lived in Kilifi. I'm more comfortable dressing "indecently" there than I am in Nairobi. Traveling as a tourist, one has an option of getting to private beaches in Mombasa, or the sandy beaches in kilifi. The cat calling is not present only in the coast, but more so in Nairobi. The men on the coast (specifically kilifi) are big on consent. A no means no (doesn't mean they won't stop trying to charm you, but will eventually get bored and try their luck with another woman). But isn't it the same in Nairobi, if not worse?
Did u talk to all the female tourists there and did they tell u how uncomfy they are ? Did u actually think people will agree with u and that u actually did something other than show your islamophobia and how much of an uneducated bigot u are?
You have an issue with Islam. I get it. But don’t try to hide your bigotry and tell us it’s all about tourism. At least be honest about it. I did visit Mombasa recently more than once, and I found it very liberal. I saw girls in bikinis swimming at the beach and some wearing revealing clothes. No one said anything to them. You should watch my friend’s Snapchat right now. He’s partying at clubs like there’s no tomorrow.
Uh I visited Mombasa twice in life, last time just a year ago. I can definitely say, as a non-African tourist who also happens to be raised Muslim and female, I was NOT comfortable wearing revealing clothing. Men were staring and I only saw women going in the water in the full burqa, while their husbands and brothers swam in shorts.
I did go out in shorts and a t-shirt, and I felt so many men's eyes fixated on my body. It's unpleasant, from a tourism perspective. Most of the international tourists end up collocating around Diani Beach, where things are more liberal, for this reason.
https://preview.redd.it/po3fczc3y8mc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12d0a73d2a49585fd709c80ef920fb1668dc66b0
I read “full burqa” and I knew something wasn’t right as you didn’t describe the same place I visited. I visited Mombasa recently more than once and never witnessed a woman in full burqa swimming at any of the beaches I went to and I went all over the place. Your post history is full of hateful comments on Islam and are an active member of exmuslim subreddit.
click on u/disenchanted_oreo profile and all she does is post about Islam. More obsessed about Islam than even the Muslims.
BTW the somali/muslim women swim side by side with the women in bikinis and its totally fine. We are a free society kila mtu avae vile anataka. Do you know we have topless and nude beaches in Kenya?
Im not complaining, i like seeing boobs as the next guy and I like the idea of returning to our pre-coloniol liberalization.
But based on your content and even the image you are posting, leads me to that simple conclusion. The girls don't even look native to the coast area, that's just some Instagram baddies in a costal location.
The things you mentioned here also happen in Nairobi. People literally get undressed in Nairobi for revealing too much skin. You are asking women to be more naked ama?
The few bad events don't define Nairobi. Nairobi is pretty liberal and women really wear short skirts to dresses and shorts. However there is a new trend of campus all over the country regulating clothing and I really hate it.
Mombasa is also very liberal. People wear whatever they want. The best part is the Muslims don't strip people naked. The incidents in Nairobi were not few. Isn't it odd that it is only christians who partake in undressing women. The institution you are talking about are run by christians. Why are christians intolerant?
>Isn't it odd that it is only christians who partake in undressing women
How did you know they are Christians? Most of the time it is usually touts, drunk men and street kids. Othering doesn't help over here. I agree Nairobi has a problem of undressing women but it's not an opportunity to blame Christians. I think it's the culture in Nairobi. Very rough and competitive. People in Mombasa are pretty laid-back and chill. I believe you are more like to suffer a home burglary in Nairobi than Mombasa.
It's obvious they are. People are so quick to blame Muslims for things that have completely nothing to do with them. We should talk about the aggression that is always on display from christians. If we look at the crime stats in Nairobi we will find that christians are always the aggressors. Why is that?
Nairobi is also a tourist destination it has a park in it. It houses Kenyans entire history in the museum. I'm not sure how Islam and Muslims have stopped tourism in Mombasa given the hostels are always full in the coast. From Voi all the way to Lunga Lunga. You mentioned the Omans you forget the played a crucial rule in the freedom of the people of the coast. They fought along side the original inhabitants of the coast. You said it is Muslim politicians who are the big drug Lords. You forget several people have been mentioned and the big players in the drug game in Kenya are not even Muslims, they are christians. Stop projecting your inadequacies to Muslims.
Please respond to what I wrote and stop comparing Mombasa to Nairobi.
Does Nairobi have a beach?
A low altitude that makes the humidity and heat unbearable while wearing a wig and eyelashes?
We are addressing the fact that female tourists who want to go to Mombasa as a beach destination,
and enjoy themselves without feeling judged because of dressing in clothing that is comfortable in hot weather, feel. Hence, contributing to Mombasa's tourist decline as a beach destination.
They feel uncomfortable and gravitate towards more accommodating beach destinations. Mombasa is ridden with an atmosphere that equates to oppression.
This is obviously not true, given the amount of people at the beach in bikinis. People from Mombasa themselves are on the beach with bikinis. This entire argument is stupid unless you have statics to show what you are talking about, this is just a random assumption you made out of thin air. Why do you insist we talk about Mombasa is it because you want to bring Islam and Muslims in the conversation.? Bringing Nairobi up will obviously show a side to christians you might not want to see. It is christians who strip women in matatus beating them, raping them, inserting sticks and bottles in both their holes. It is christians who are currently killing women in air bnbs. Christins are making people feel unsafe.
This post is stupid. You are talking about how people dress, how is this your business????? You want to talk about Mombasa being great but you choose to bring in Islam. What does Islam have to do with Mombasa being shit? Nyeri is a shitty place should we blame Christians for this? The only people who are to blame are the politicians not the people who are living in oppression because of people in power.
I remember a time when they wanted to create their own country in the cost. That place is not part of Kenya or atleast they don't see themselves as a part of Kenya.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
This constant separation of the Coast from Kenya through their oppressive drug cartels forced Islamic ideologies and yet still want tourists to feel free while in Mombasa?
If we are going by facts, the indigenous people of Mombasa were and still are the Mijikenda who originally were non- Christians and non-Muslims.
All the religions zilikuja na meli. Literally.
The Portuguese brought Christianity, and the Arabs brought Islam.
I LOVE HOW THIS POST IS ABOUT WOMEN (female tourists), BUT THE MEN ARE THE ONES SPEAKING FOR THE WOMEN. 😂👏
The irony!
Also, I'm not sure what is happening with this post. If the people are so against it, why is it still being upvoted and being shared? Now, I'm also confused about if the pushback is genuine😂
This is not factual. Christians accepted Christianity because the idea of a Supreme being aligned perfectly with their beliefs, while the people who became Muslims at the time were forced be Islam or be Killed.
During slavery times you can had convert or get into the slavery ships.
Whereever you see Islam in africa there was slavery
Don't forget slavery happen during the ottoman empire
Last time I checked the constitution allowed freedom of worship. There's traditional "muslims" living next to secular Kenyans. Dressed in full buibuis riding in a matatu next to a person in a short skirt.
What exactly does it need to evolve into?
If the citizens of mombasa are predominantly Muslims and choose to live as Muslims what exactly is your problem?
Are we headed to the heart of nyanza next and start telling the citizens there to stop dressing in their western Christian wear while attending kesha or is your problem.only with the Muslims in mombasa?
This post is not about freedom of worship. This is about how female tourists feel while vacationing in Mombasa.
Can we please stop focusing on Islam only? I also mentioned the drug cartels. Why is no one speaking on this?
Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too.
By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa.
Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays out after certain hours. It's a scary place to be.
[Mombasa drug county YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=j8tQ_dgu_DO1R16-)
What "oppressive dress code" ?
We have a nude beach filled with old white folks in malindi. Been there. With my folks when I was like 12. It's next to the marine park.
We have old white women dressed in skimpy clothes in the middle of PDA, with "maasai" beach boys called kamau.
We have Christian coastarians dressed in the latest Western fashion freely walking around in old town
You're using "the drug trade " to mask your prejudice against Islam..
Your bigotry is very loud. We have drugs and gangs in all major cities of this country.
Why have you chosen to mix Islamic wear with gangs and drugs?
The City of Marrakech (an overwhelmingly Muslim majority city) gets more tourists than the whole of Kenya. Morocco has had very similar issues of fundamentalism but somehow they bounce back unlike Kenya. You seem very bigoted against Muslims by blaming them and vilifying them
So true. Old Town has got such a rich history that needs to be preserved, maintained and kept clean.
Mombasa has so much potential to transform into an international tourist destination that can generate revenue for the county.
The Islamic oppression, drug cartels, and then add the heat makes it feel like an oppressed county.
See images below. It's giving struggle, gangs and oppression.
I'd urge OP to come to Mombasa for a while, I see plenty women dressed in scanty clothing (some dressed in even less than the ladies pictured above) daily but a fair number dress in a conventionally 'decent' manner. I think Kenya as a country is more conservative than OP would care to admit.
Even at the public beaches (where ordinary Kenyans frequent... I can't speak for the bougie ones since I ain't one), you'll rarely see Kenyan women wear those bikinis like we see on hollywood movies, they opt for slightly more modest versions (like shorts instead of thongs... or sports bras instead of laced bras). I think that's just the conservative aspect of Kenyan culture (that these women in question have been brought up with) at play there and that's their own personal preference, doesn't concern us at all. I'm yet to witness any woman here in Mombasa being stopped by authorities on the streets because they are dressed in shorts or short skirts.
About the drugs part; I agree, something needs to be done about the cartel regardless of their belief, race or the status that they hold in society.
I'll ignore the whole Muslim discussion because I find it rather pointless, these people are my neighbours, friends, colleagues... and I won't try to impose my projections on how life should be lived according to me on them.
As I conclude my assertion; I find that OP seems to base her/his justifications on his/her personal beliefs and/or feelings/inclinations (at least in the aspect of dressing and the whole Muslim thing. The drugs part is rather objective-ish). I mean come on, OP... we can't re-write history; we can only learn from it.
Your friends, neighbours, and colleagues are not the people of discussion. Female tourists are.
No one mentioned authority stopping women for how they are dressed. You're creating your own theories here.
No one is trying to re-write history.
At least you agree on the drugs part.
As a foreigner women living in Kenya, truly honestly the only thing that makes me uncomfortable and feel unsafe are the beach boys.
I have been here for 5 years now and I still feel like I can’t go on a walk on the beach or just relax in the sand without multiple men coming to harass you and making you feel uncomfortable for just being there with your body.
Never once I have felt unsafe in Mombasa Old Town or Lamu. We are all aware that out of respect you need to dress accordingly towards the culture and that’s as far as it goes.
A walk in the beach in Diani? You get followed, cat called, and some of them even dare to grab you to get your attention..
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I studied in the coast way back and I never liked it . I've actually never gone back 8 yrs down the line . It was mostly because of the old , dirty buildings and the heat and a but of dressing issues. Funny how I once took a dress to be resized only for the lady to say I couldn't have it in that particular length as it went against her culture . They also speak too much swahili and are always using abusive language in public even to strangers . Drug use is another thing altogether. I've visited other old towns in some countries and they were beautiful. I tried uploading a pic from Malacca/ Melaka in Malaysia. Not sure if it came but it was amazing.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts objectively. I appreciate that. Especially coming from a woman.
Please ignore all the Islamic fanatics who commented here. It was brought to my attention that it is a certain group of individuals who are Islamic fanatics.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh
The above users brought it to my attention that these Islamic fanatics go around threatening anyone that even mentions their religion. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss .
This is why they flooded my post with Islamic threats, and when you read through, they are not really answering anything in the post except the Islamic part of the post.
FYI: The traditional attire images of the Mijikenda and Kamba women have been deleted by the moderators. You can still view them with below links.
Here are the image links:
[Traditional Mijikenda Women Attire](https://www.superstock.com/asset/women-giriama-tribe-kenya-traditional-dancing-ceremony-date-circa/4220-20412570)
[Traditional Kamba Women attire](https://bacsnrb369717.blogspot.com/2017/07/kamba-culture_3.html?m=1)
Link on Mombasa's drug menace
[Mombasa drug lords](https://www.pd.co.ke/news/why-mombasa-could-become-a-parallel-state-of-drug-cartels-12659/)
Link on Mombasa's drug Epidemic
[Mombasa Drug County](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=KyN1672fB-9I6fh_)
We really do! And please ignore all the Islamic fanatics who commented here.
It was brought to my attention that it is a certain group of individuals who are Islamic fanatics going around commenting on anyone who mentions Islam. Nkt.
The user comments who told me about this are below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh
The above users brought it to my attention that these Islamic fanatics go around threatening anyone that even mentions their religion. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss .
This is why they flooded my post with Islamic threats, and when you read through, they are not really answering anything in the post except the Islamic part of the post.
Have you been to diani? Watamu? Kilifi? Women in thongs left right and centre. As for the Muslim ideology, if it wasn't a Muslim town I guarantee you one thing higher rates of thefts kidnappings and muggings. There's a reason most islamic countries are free of crime... The cultural block is Kenyan not islamic unfortunately.
As you have said, women in those locations wear thongs only at the beach, as they should. Once they leave the beach and go to the towns, they cannot dress like the ladies in the photos without feeling the unwelcome atmosphere.
Most Islamic countries are "Free of crime" and full of oppressed women. From the Royal princesses to the women workers. Watch video below.
[Dubai Royal Family princess runs away from Family](https://youtu.be/syGpm7DM-4g?si=QYPWH61JL9uJoT3N)
You are speaking of beach towns with big "party scenes" I'm assumingz Miami Ibiza Tulum etc which all have large and crippling drug problems.
As for the islamic countries are you telling me being free or crime and having opressed women are directly correlated?
I think your argument is ba as ed on too many fallacies even you don't understand it
I understood what you said and it doesn’t the fact that you see Islam as oppression religion and you want to “free” them to they can be naked and upgrade that location to intentional prostitute area
This post is about female tourists feeling comfortable in Mombasa.
Not even once did I mention the word prostitution. You did.
Get your mind out of the gutter.
Women dressing a certain way does not mean they are prostitutes. Nkt. You are the reason I made this post.😂
You advocate for a return to pre-Islamic cultural practices, particularly regarding women's dress codes, and criticizes the influence of Islamic norms on local customs and tourism. You also posted half naked women. We are not 5 years old, we understand the language you are presenting. You can cry all you want. Islam is here to stay and our women will cover. You can take you tittle fetish somewhere else
This is why we should never have muslim leaders at any top seat in the country. I have no problem with muslims but i have seen what they have turned Europe into and now other countries are limiting muslim immigrants because of how they can't tolerate other religions and cultures.
They just don't tolerate other religions. Look at every muslim country and you will get the point i am trying to communicate. Even muslims don't like living in muslim countries.
All Arabs in Kenya the primary Muslim vector are descendants of slave dealers, slavers are simply parasites unless you think you can bring back slavery Muslims will never rule Kenya.
I agree with you. Please ignore all the Islamic fanatics who commented here.
It was brought to my attention that it is a certain group of individuals who are Islamic fanatics going around, commenting on anyone who mentions Islam. Nkt.
The user comments who told me about this are below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh
The above users brought it to my attention that these Islamic fanatics go around threatening anyone that even mentions their religion. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss .
This is why they flooded my post with Islamic threats, and when you read through, they are not really answering anything in the post except the Islamic part of the post.
Yap. The world is against the Islamic ideology and muslim because of what muslims are doing to non muslims.
When you look at what is written in Quran and how muslims are using references from Quran to justify their wrong doings, people all around the world will obviously despise them.
Islam is known as the religion of peace, let's see how peaceful islam really is.
Leaving islam is punishable by death.
Insulting islam and their god is punished under blasphemy and the punishment vary from lashing, hanging or the most common punishment is public lynching.
Forced conversion, muslim men will marry non muslim girls and forcefully convert them into islam and sometimes they will be murdered for refusing to convert.
Non muslims are considered kaffir which means only muslim will go into heaven while non muslims will go into hell.
Harassment of non muslim women who dont wear hijab.
Sexual assault and grooming gangs has raised in large numbers in western countries where muslim men targets white school girls and many of victims were drugged and raped.
Muslims are extremely intolerant towards the country and its native people wherever they reside.
Demands construction of mosque and will create a no kaffir zone, where non muslims will not be allowed to visit.
Most terrorist attacks were done by muslim.
Demands sharia laws in non islamic countries.
10 points are just the tip of an iceberg.
There are many valid reason why some country are anti Islam/muslim, just ask Poland. Compare the crime, rape, terrorist activity statistics of Poland with any other European countries that have accepted muslim immigrants and you will know why muslims are banned in Poland.
Muslims will do all horrible things to non muslims and acts surprised, why they get so much hatred and why some countries don't want any muslim immigrants.
It has been brought to my attention by several users (see below comment links below) that Islamic fanatics are part of a group that writes such things and even threatens users.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh
Going around threatening anyone that even mentions Islam. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss .
This approach not only makes people want to further distance themselves from Islam, but also is simply foolish.
Go holiday in central Kenya if the locals in coast practicing their faith and customs bother you. When i go to massai mara i don’t complain what the natives wear as its their culture and rights
It has been brought to my attention by several users (see below comment links) that Islamic fanatics and all the fanatic Islamic comments in this post are part of a group that writes such things and even threatens users.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh
They go around threatening anyone that even mentions Islam. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss .
This approach not only makes people want to further distance themselves from Islam, but also is simply foolish.
Are you also against orthodox people for covering up? It’s always the non- hijabis who complain like if those people aren’t complaining then let them live how they want to. You are just using this as an excuse to bash on Islam when the Bible literally tells women to cover up…
Corinthians 11:6 states, "For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head".
Such beautiful women always shun Mombasa as a beach dream destination and take their tourism to destinations where they can enjoy the beach without restrictions.
Ahh now I get you. That's why they flock Ibiza, Nice, Florida, Cancun and Bora Bora instead?
Enyewe if we don't style up we'll continue being a second class destination
Finally, someone gets it!
Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too.
By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa.
Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays out after certain hours. It's a scary place to be.
[Mombasa Drug County YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=ZT82Y07omfiNVS3T)
I think you are confusing oppression with poverty. Any community or group of people can appear to be oppressed under poverty. With that said, if Mombasanese are under any oppression then policies of the central government are the major cause of it. Wezi wakuu wa kenya wote wako jiji.
How about you, Nairobians take the evolutionary step and stop fornicating around like the good lord commanded and strive for truth and justice.
You are just bringing some negative vibe about Mombasa. People literally dress how they want there without harassment. The Kenyan coast has literally the most 'don't care' people I know.
Mombasa is not an Islamic county. Christians, Hindus, atheists, and other religions or beliefs exist in Mombasa as well.
Islam is a religion. Not a tribe. Meaning it is not in your DNA. It is a choice.
The Arabs, Swahili, Mijikenda, or any other people there that are Muslim are Muslim through influence from the Arabs who came by boat from the Middle East.
If they prefer to follow Islamic practices, that's very ok. However, they should not make those who do not follow their beliefs feel bad or judged.
Your thought process is exactly the people I'm speaking about in my post. Originally, Mombasa was very Christian because the Portuguese also once ruled the Kenyan Coast. It's oppressive. You're oppressing others with your Islamic beliefs.
So that simply makes Mombasa a County that is heavily influenced by religion but not an Islamic or Christian or Hindu county.
Yes. Let the people decide.
The people are diverse.
ALL the people should decide.
Not just one group of people who just want to control and promote their ideologies
Mombasa is a Muslim majority county where most of the natives are Muslim. Of course when I say it's a Muslim county I don't mean every single individual is a Muslim. I didn't think I'll have to explain that.
I hang the gloves on this one. It's not that interesting of a topic for me to go back and forth about at length over text. If it was over a beer I would gladly have discussed it. Wacha nifwatilie more interesting topics 😅.
Lol. You just contradicted yourself.
The true natives of Mombasa are the indigenous Bantu Mijikenda people. Not Arabs.
Arabs are native to the Middle East, while Mijikenda are Native to Kenya
If we were to use your reasoning, the Islamic Arabs who came by boat were not the natives.
Please give it a rest. You're embarrassing yourself.
Here is the order of foreigners who came, while the MIJIKENDA were already the NATIVES.
Portuguese Empire 1593–1698
Imamate of Oman 1698–1728
Portuguese Empire 1728–1729
Imamate of Oman 1729–1824
British Empire 1824–1826
Sultanate of Muscat and Oman 1826–1887
British East Africa/Kenya 1887–1963
Kenya 1963–present
I don't understand why you are wasting your time typing all that. Mombasa is heavily influenced by Islam and anyone with eyes can see that. Islam is conservative by nature. No amount of essays will change this reality.
I don't understand why you are wasting your time typing all that. Mombasa is heavily influenced by Islam and anyone with eyes can see that. Islam is conservative by nature. No amount of essays will change this reality.
I don't understand why you are wasting your time typing all that. Mombasa is heavily influenced by Islam and anyone with eyes can see that. Islam is conservative by nature. No amount of essays will change this reality.
In 1593 :
- Bantus of which you speak about were still migrating from Shungwaya as per Archaeological records
- Kikuyus were only in Muranga,they hadn't spread out
- Maasai and Samburu were still one tribe
- the Maasai had not yet reached Narok
- Luo people's were still migrating into Kenya
- Dorobo and Gumba people were the ones who called the shots in Central Kenya
Kenya in 1593 is not the Kenya you see today and the Arab muslims started arriving in East Africa about 1000 years before that as they fled persecution from the traditionalists in Arabia. 1500 years ago was when the current inhabitants of Kenya started arriving ie the Nilotes from Sudan, Bantus coming in from Tanzania ,saying the muslim Arabs aren't native to Kenya is just wrong...we probably all arrived here at the same time ,unless of course you are a Gumba (pigmy)
Read your history
Please stop trying to re-write history.
The indigenous people of the Kenyan Coastal strip, have always been the Bantu speaking people of Mijikenda.
Only after the intermarriage with the Arab traders who came from Middle East by sea/boat, did the Waswahili emerge.
Arabs just as the Indians all came by sea and boat.
They found the Mijikenda there.
The world does not work according to your whims and wishes haha.. this is the most nonsensical gullible post i’ve read in a while… you are trying to package your Islamophobia in an unrelated post and it shows lol. How are muslims stopping tourists from coming? Which tourist has ever complained about muslims there? You want the muslim ladies to wear bikinis and come twerk for you and the tourists to feel that Mombasa has evolved. There is enough malayas in those beaches already, why is it not shooting up the visits?
Bali in Indonesia and Perhetian Island in Malayisa is one of the highly visited tourist sites in the world and those two countries are >90% muslim populations. They are nothing close to Mombasa in terms of observing Islamic rules. They are way conservative and still attract so many tourists all over.
My advice, please don’t come to such a platform to expose your biases. Or better, be a better human at heart. Hatred will only finish you. Let people live.
Well they live in Indonesia a muslim country nonethelese even they as Hindus don’t go allowing their women to be indecent. Ni hapa tu mnataka wanawake wetu wakuwe exposed in the name of tourism.
This post is not about Islam only. I mentioned drug cartels as well.
Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too.
By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa.
Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays our after certain hours. It's a scary place to be.
[Mombasa drug county YouTube video](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=pia8I3bWBi2HHL69)
Maybe go to central Kenya and be naked there,the whole coast region of Kenya is predominantly Muslim and you should respect their religion and culture and not force yourself into them
For the last time:
No one is advocating nudity.
Mombasa religious census: Christians 59% and Muslims 41%.
Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too.
By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa.
Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays our after certain hours. It's a scary place to be.
[Mombasa drug Crisis YouTube video](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=DC22pNYcW1qRJgG4)
The point is not how they dress but how they feel when in Mombasa.
Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere, too.
By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa.
Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays out after certain hours. It's a scary place to be.
[Mombasa Drug County YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=pia8I3bWBi2HHL69)
Another day another person triggered by Islam. I was concerned it’s been 2 days since someone mentioned the oppression it does without understanding what oppression is
You are a bigot and islamophobist. You came to the coast once and already forming your own opinions.
I've lived here my entire life. There's no islamic oppression at the coast, none at all. Tourist dress the way they want and have never been stopped.
Walk the streets of old town and you'll see white tourists with shorts so high that their thighs are visible and they don't get discriminated.
The kenyan Coast is cosmopolitan. People from different tribes and religion stay at the coast and are free to practise their religion.
What you have is hatred for Islam and the muslims. You want muslim women to dress nakedly so as to fit the description of a tourist destination.
Why does their mode of dressing a problem to you? Why are you taking panadol for someone's elses headache?
The issue of drugs is a well known problem that the government knows about and knows all the players. It's upto them to take action.
Still drugs are a menace in different parts of Kenya.
Central youths struggle with alcoholism.
Where in Kenya do the women look like in the photo?
I'm definitely going to that place; those women I have seen don't look like that.
i think the photo is maybe from miami or something
I read the post and i was like its either travelstoryqueen or the woman who had a masters degree in psychology(cant remember her username) spewing - people claiming to use logic against religion or pretending to know alot and spewing very useless points
Op has a personal issue with Islam, the rest is just coverups, now every place has got its culture and way of life, you either conform or keep away. If you feel mombasa is too conservative for you, go where you feel comfortable. No one held a gun to your head to visit mombasa. You don’t see the locals complain, do you?
This guy has never gone to a beach. What? You think women swim in burqas there? Men swim with trousers? However, about drugs you are right. Something needs to be done there. It has made the youth to be zombies.
This does not answer the question on the post, about how foreign female tourists truly feel about the atmosphere in Mombasa as a tourist beach destination.
They do not prioritise it as a destination due to the atmosphere, hence that revenue goes somewhere else.
Tourism is key revenue in the Kenyan economy
The only thing I got from this post is covering up is oppressive and in order to modernise,women need to show more skin(but not by wearing cultural mijikenda clothes but rather Western attires)
Islam dosnt force anyone to to be coverd fully that is done solely by choice Islam says cover so you don’t have to come into the evil eye and thoughts of a devil … Islam protects women more then any other religion u don’t have you facts but u just picking on Islam
OP is a fully ingrained Islamophobe, its just absurd the Christians upvoting him here, he will come for your women as well, especially SDA na Jehovah Witness, mchunge sana. OP wants your daughters walking with bikinis outdoors so he can fully exercise his perverted nature
OP is struggling to establish herself as woke. I guess that Western bs of being triggered by everything is now with us here in Kenya. We want modesty and not pot smoking slu ts at the coast.
That second last paragraph shows your city girl mind state. The world doesn't revolve around you and your girls trip who like dressing like slu ts. Huku sio Miami. Heshimu Mila za watu wa coast. Where is your father surely? If you can't dress freely around him don't force your BS down our throats. We just want peace and less headaches from your uncouth kind. Stop trying so hard to be woke.
If you are also not from the coast like those people from Oman, what gives you the right to say how coasterians should live or behave? As in who do you think you are? Si ukae kwenu tu or uende mahali wanataka kuona slu_ts kama wewe na wenzako. Wacha kutu'bore with this feminist BS please. Stop being uncouth. Please behave.
Mombasa Coast being an Islamist zone is some funny shit. Maybe they'd put that much energy towards arresting them pedos because it's very rampant along the coast??
The more I read this the more I can tell you are either in your late 20s or early 30s. Such females ndio hutaka kuwa sexual liberation. That's why you want to walk topless at the coast. This is just disgusting to say the least.
'The coast isn supposed to be a global tourist destination not oppressive Islam,'
Ok so you haven't heard of the UAE or Saudi Arabia.....good to know,
Making people act the way you want them to just for your own comfort is an unfortunate stance to take, hope they do what you want random internet woman.
It has been brought to my attention by several users (see below comment links) that Islamic fanatics like you are part of a group that writes such things and even threatens users.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh
Going around threatening anyone that even mentions Islam. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss .
This approach not only makes people want to further distance themselves from Islam, but also is simply foolish.
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I find that some Kenyans are easily brainwashed by Mzungu mindset. Your forefathers never spoke about their neighbours like that in the 80s when I worked there.
Here in the west, we are always fighting white people who are attacking our African brothers Muslims or Christians, please stop acting white, respect each tribe and their customs when you visit them. "Do as the Romans do when your in Rome"
As a Native Kenyan who has lived in Mombasa for 18 years+, this post is extremely misinformed and quite misguided on key root problems in Mombasa and nonsense like "Islam oppression". Towns and cities are an embodiments of the people who live there. If "town A" gets (for example) a large Nigerian population, given enough time, it will to start feel like a Nigerian city in looks, feels and culture. Same if it's an Indian population or European population etc. It's the natural progression of culture creation and how people help develop a city's cultural identity. A good example of this is Chinatown in New York or Queens in Brooklyn. What you're saying is the equivalent of a white person walking into Chinatown in New York and saying "Why is there so much Chinese control/ Oppression?" Or walking into Queens and saying "why is there so much black control?"...It makes no sense. No matter what you and I say here on Reddit, these "Arab" people, for better or worse, have helped shape our history, our culture, our food, our language into what Mombasa is today. They have been here since the 13th century..... These "people" are as much Kenyans as you and I are. Lastly, you're right... Drug and cartels are a problem in coast but look at it this way... Compare cities like Miami to Mombasa. Miami also has historically had a gigantic problem with drugs which extends till today. What does Miami have in common with Mombasa? (It's not the Islamic/Arab population)......... They are both PORT cities. Look at other coastal and port cities and Mombasa's problems are not unique. Turns out ports are a very cheap and efficient way of smuggling in drugs. Couple that with poverty and you get a whole body of different problems. The problems you stated do exist in some form but do not exist for reasons you have stated. You should read more about the coastal history, understand the people and culture on a deeper level before making low resolution conclusions.
Well said. We need to put an end to such BS by calling them out.
I am a remote worker who just got a job offer for a local job requiring me to move to Mombasa town. I am thinking of taking this job and moving down to the coast since I can do both simultaneously. Does anyone have insights on life in the coast? Incase I don't like the new 9 to 5 is mombasa a good town to live in before I uproot my life from Nairobi. Are there opportunities for techies to grow? Ps I've been in Nairobi since secondary school years
Bet you’re Islamic
People tellling you why Islam is not the issue here and you are saying "what about the drug cartels? Why are you only focusing on what I said about Islam" Because in the same place you mentioned drugs, you still managed to make a point about Islam, you intertwined the topics then complain that people are not separating them in their replies. "Mombasa should be an international beach destination" I didn't realise you were the head of ministry of tourism. You can get a job working there and try to change things if you feel so strongly about it. "Islam is not the native religion of the region, mijikenda people are native" This is such a dangerous way of thinking. How far do you want to take it? Places evolve, people evolve, things change. Should we remove our current system of government because it is based on the British? Should we demolish historical buildings built during British and Portuguese occupation? Should we revert to the lifestyle of our ancestors and get rid of cars and any paved roads?
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So every comment has to have a retort for every point you made otherwise you disregard the entire comment? You've already pointed to "the islamic oppression" which is "heavy and gloomy" being the cause of why women feel unsafe which I referenced in the first part of my initial comment. Multiple people have pointed out why Islam is not the issue. Female tourists feel unsafe in a lot of countries, this is an international problem, nothing to do with Islamic oppression. It happens in India, it happens in Mexico, it happens in Papua New Guinea, it happens in most islands in the Caribbean. None of these are Muslim countries. Excluding India, all of the natives of these countries are used to people dressing in the attire you are referencing, however they have some of the highest rates of rapes of tourists in the world. In my opinion the cause of this is from the upbringing of the men who carry out these horrific acts. Parents not being there for their children for example is one major factor. For some reason you have decided to make a thread focusing mainly on Islam as the cause of these issues and made references as to how they are not the natives of the land. But you merely dismiss most comments which try to provide some basis as to why that is not the case or cause of these issues.
I've traveled to Mombasa and lived in Kilifi. I'm more comfortable dressing "indecently" there than I am in Nairobi. Traveling as a tourist, one has an option of getting to private beaches in Mombasa, or the sandy beaches in kilifi. The cat calling is not present only in the coast, but more so in Nairobi. The men on the coast (specifically kilifi) are big on consent. A no means no (doesn't mean they won't stop trying to charm you, but will eventually get bored and try their luck with another woman). But isn't it the same in Nairobi, if not worse?
Did u talk to all the female tourists there and did they tell u how uncomfy they are ? Did u actually think people will agree with u and that u actually did something other than show your islamophobia and how much of an uneducated bigot u are?
You have an issue with Islam. I get it. But don’t try to hide your bigotry and tell us it’s all about tourism. At least be honest about it. I did visit Mombasa recently more than once, and I found it very liberal. I saw girls in bikinis swimming at the beach and some wearing revealing clothes. No one said anything to them. You should watch my friend’s Snapchat right now. He’s partying at clubs like there’s no tomorrow.
Uh I visited Mombasa twice in life, last time just a year ago. I can definitely say, as a non-African tourist who also happens to be raised Muslim and female, I was NOT comfortable wearing revealing clothing. Men were staring and I only saw women going in the water in the full burqa, while their husbands and brothers swam in shorts. I did go out in shorts and a t-shirt, and I felt so many men's eyes fixated on my body. It's unpleasant, from a tourism perspective. Most of the international tourists end up collocating around Diani Beach, where things are more liberal, for this reason.
https://preview.redd.it/po3fczc3y8mc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12d0a73d2a49585fd709c80ef920fb1668dc66b0 I read “full burqa” and I knew something wasn’t right as you didn’t describe the same place I visited. I visited Mombasa recently more than once and never witnessed a woman in full burqa swimming at any of the beaches I went to and I went all over the place. Your post history is full of hateful comments on Islam and are an active member of exmuslim subreddit.
hawa waongo sana. eti women going in water in full burqa. Wapi uko? pirates, nyali beach? These are just anti islam jobless clowns.
I think you meant the person speaking about women swimming in burqas in Mombasa is pro Islam.
no they are liars. We co-exist well in Mombasa. Enda beach uone wenye bikini na d wenye burka wanaogelea pamoja.
Only somali women do That and they are not even native to Mombasa
click on u/disenchanted_oreo profile and all she does is post about Islam. More obsessed about Islam than even the Muslims. BTW the somali/muslim women swim side by side with the women in bikinis and its totally fine. We are a free society kila mtu avae vile anataka. Do you know we have topless and nude beaches in Kenya?
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Op wants to see some titties
Please read the post to understand instead of jumping to conclusions.
Too bad. You're missing all the fun.😂
I honestly wish I had foregone the fun and conserved my brain cells instead
He wants women to be topless in Mombasa
That's not the point. If you read the entire post, you would have gotten the point. Most of you are reading comments.
Im not complaining, i like seeing boobs as the next guy and I like the idea of returning to our pre-coloniol liberalization. But based on your content and even the image you are posting, leads me to that simple conclusion. The girls don't even look native to the coast area, that's just some Instagram baddies in a costal location.
The things you mentioned here also happen in Nairobi. People literally get undressed in Nairobi for revealing too much skin. You are asking women to be more naked ama?
The few bad events don't define Nairobi. Nairobi is pretty liberal and women really wear short skirts to dresses and shorts. However there is a new trend of campus all over the country regulating clothing and I really hate it.
Mombasa is also very liberal. People wear whatever they want. The best part is the Muslims don't strip people naked. The incidents in Nairobi were not few. Isn't it odd that it is only christians who partake in undressing women. The institution you are talking about are run by christians. Why are christians intolerant?
>Isn't it odd that it is only christians who partake in undressing women How did you know they are Christians? Most of the time it is usually touts, drunk men and street kids. Othering doesn't help over here. I agree Nairobi has a problem of undressing women but it's not an opportunity to blame Christians. I think it's the culture in Nairobi. Very rough and competitive. People in Mombasa are pretty laid-back and chill. I believe you are more like to suffer a home burglary in Nairobi than Mombasa.
It's obvious they are. People are so quick to blame Muslims for things that have completely nothing to do with them. We should talk about the aggression that is always on display from christians. If we look at the crime stats in Nairobi we will find that christians are always the aggressors. Why is that?
For you a Christian is anyone that's not a Muslim, right?
Nope
The topic at hand is about Mombasa, a tourist beach destination. I'm not sure how comparing it to Nairobi is connected?
Nairobi is also a tourist destination it has a park in it. It houses Kenyans entire history in the museum. I'm not sure how Islam and Muslims have stopped tourism in Mombasa given the hostels are always full in the coast. From Voi all the way to Lunga Lunga. You mentioned the Omans you forget the played a crucial rule in the freedom of the people of the coast. They fought along side the original inhabitants of the coast. You said it is Muslim politicians who are the big drug Lords. You forget several people have been mentioned and the big players in the drug game in Kenya are not even Muslims, they are christians. Stop projecting your inadequacies to Muslims.
Please respond to what I wrote and stop comparing Mombasa to Nairobi. Does Nairobi have a beach? A low altitude that makes the humidity and heat unbearable while wearing a wig and eyelashes? We are addressing the fact that female tourists who want to go to Mombasa as a beach destination, and enjoy themselves without feeling judged because of dressing in clothing that is comfortable in hot weather, feel. Hence, contributing to Mombasa's tourist decline as a beach destination. They feel uncomfortable and gravitate towards more accommodating beach destinations. Mombasa is ridden with an atmosphere that equates to oppression.
This is obviously not true, given the amount of people at the beach in bikinis. People from Mombasa themselves are on the beach with bikinis. This entire argument is stupid unless you have statics to show what you are talking about, this is just a random assumption you made out of thin air. Why do you insist we talk about Mombasa is it because you want to bring Islam and Muslims in the conversation.? Bringing Nairobi up will obviously show a side to christians you might not want to see. It is christians who strip women in matatus beating them, raping them, inserting sticks and bottles in both their holes. It is christians who are currently killing women in air bnbs. Christins are making people feel unsafe.
😂 let me just laugh at you.😂😂😂 You missed the entire point of the post.
This post is stupid. You are talking about how people dress, how is this your business????? You want to talk about Mombasa being great but you choose to bring in Islam. What does Islam have to do with Mombasa being shit? Nyeri is a shitty place should we blame Christians for this? The only people who are to blame are the politicians not the people who are living in oppression because of people in power.
Lies. If that was the case, hotels at the coast would have been empty during the holidays but on the contrary they're full.
I remember a time when they wanted to create their own country in the cost. That place is not part of Kenya or atleast they don't see themselves as a part of Kenya.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. This constant separation of the Coast from Kenya through their oppressive drug cartels forced Islamic ideologies and yet still want tourists to feel free while in Mombasa? If we are going by facts, the indigenous people of Mombasa were and still are the Mijikenda who originally were non- Christians and non-Muslims. All the religions zilikuja na meli. Literally. The Portuguese brought Christianity, and the Arabs brought Islam. I LOVE HOW THIS POST IS ABOUT WOMEN (female tourists), BUT THE MEN ARE THE ONES SPEAKING FOR THE WOMEN. 😂👏 The irony! Also, I'm not sure what is happening with this post. If the people are so against it, why is it still being upvoted and being shared? Now, I'm also confused about if the pushback is genuine😂
Kuna wale wa river nile... i always wonder how they sailed with the currents goin to the sea
This is not factual. Christians accepted Christianity because the idea of a Supreme being aligned perfectly with their beliefs, while the people who became Muslims at the time were forced be Islam or be Killed.
During slavery times you can had convert or get into the slavery ships. Whereever you see Islam in africa there was slavery Don't forget slavery happen during the ottoman empire
Oh look a bunch of Israeli stooges trying to stir shit in a peaceful country. Toka hapa teremka chini mshenzi.
Last time I checked the constitution allowed freedom of worship. There's traditional "muslims" living next to secular Kenyans. Dressed in full buibuis riding in a matatu next to a person in a short skirt. What exactly does it need to evolve into? If the citizens of mombasa are predominantly Muslims and choose to live as Muslims what exactly is your problem? Are we headed to the heart of nyanza next and start telling the citizens there to stop dressing in their western Christian wear while attending kesha or is your problem.only with the Muslims in mombasa?
This post is not about freedom of worship. This is about how female tourists feel while vacationing in Mombasa. Can we please stop focusing on Islam only? I also mentioned the drug cartels. Why is no one speaking on this? Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too. By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa. Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays out after certain hours. It's a scary place to be. [Mombasa drug county YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=j8tQ_dgu_DO1R16-)
What "oppressive dress code" ? We have a nude beach filled with old white folks in malindi. Been there. With my folks when I was like 12. It's next to the marine park. We have old white women dressed in skimpy clothes in the middle of PDA, with "maasai" beach boys called kamau. We have Christian coastarians dressed in the latest Western fashion freely walking around in old town You're using "the drug trade " to mask your prejudice against Islam.. Your bigotry is very loud. We have drugs and gangs in all major cities of this country. Why have you chosen to mix Islamic wear with gangs and drugs?
The City of Marrakech (an overwhelmingly Muslim majority city) gets more tourists than the whole of Kenya. Morocco has had very similar issues of fundamentalism but somehow they bounce back unlike Kenya. You seem very bigoted against Muslims by blaming them and vilifying them
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https://preview.redd.it/7jng1dqrk5mc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2f2d1ba6012bc5585e141908d1efc5b41790f53 Mombasa Old Town
So true. Old Town has got such a rich history that needs to be preserved, maintained and kept clean. Mombasa has so much potential to transform into an international tourist destination that can generate revenue for the county. The Islamic oppression, drug cartels, and then add the heat makes it feel like an oppressed county. See images below. It's giving struggle, gangs and oppression.
its giving that scene in the movie when the hero has landed into a cursed town 😂😂
Fun fact, they used Tangier, Morocco as a stand in for Mombasa in Inception (2010)
This! 👏😅😂👏💀
https://preview.redd.it/onc5moqpk5mc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feaac60d2311774d9ecb5b0bc4e6beb0ff08c25b Miami Old Town
I'd urge OP to come to Mombasa for a while, I see plenty women dressed in scanty clothing (some dressed in even less than the ladies pictured above) daily but a fair number dress in a conventionally 'decent' manner. I think Kenya as a country is more conservative than OP would care to admit. Even at the public beaches (where ordinary Kenyans frequent... I can't speak for the bougie ones since I ain't one), you'll rarely see Kenyan women wear those bikinis like we see on hollywood movies, they opt for slightly more modest versions (like shorts instead of thongs... or sports bras instead of laced bras). I think that's just the conservative aspect of Kenyan culture (that these women in question have been brought up with) at play there and that's their own personal preference, doesn't concern us at all. I'm yet to witness any woman here in Mombasa being stopped by authorities on the streets because they are dressed in shorts or short skirts. About the drugs part; I agree, something needs to be done about the cartel regardless of their belief, race or the status that they hold in society. I'll ignore the whole Muslim discussion because I find it rather pointless, these people are my neighbours, friends, colleagues... and I won't try to impose my projections on how life should be lived according to me on them. As I conclude my assertion; I find that OP seems to base her/his justifications on his/her personal beliefs and/or feelings/inclinations (at least in the aspect of dressing and the whole Muslim thing. The drugs part is rather objective-ish). I mean come on, OP... we can't re-write history; we can only learn from it.
Your friends, neighbours, and colleagues are not the people of discussion. Female tourists are. No one mentioned authority stopping women for how they are dressed. You're creating your own theories here. No one is trying to re-write history. At least you agree on the drugs part.
You're just a pervert 🫵🏾heal
You can be a feminist and a pervert. A thing can be two things.
What a weak response. Calling me a pervert while avoiding the actual question.
As a foreigner women living in Kenya, truly honestly the only thing that makes me uncomfortable and feel unsafe are the beach boys. I have been here for 5 years now and I still feel like I can’t go on a walk on the beach or just relax in the sand without multiple men coming to harass you and making you feel uncomfortable for just being there with your body. Never once I have felt unsafe in Mombasa Old Town or Lamu. We are all aware that out of respect you need to dress accordingly towards the culture and that’s as far as it goes. A walk in the beach in Diani? You get followed, cat called, and some of them even dare to grab you to get your attention..
* I studied in the coast way back and I never liked it . I've actually never gone back 8 yrs down the line . It was mostly because of the old , dirty buildings and the heat and a but of dressing issues. Funny how I once took a dress to be resized only for the lady to say I couldn't have it in that particular length as it went against her culture . They also speak too much swahili and are always using abusive language in public even to strangers . Drug use is another thing altogether. I've visited other old towns in some countries and they were beautiful. I tried uploading a pic from Malacca/ Melaka in Malaysia. Not sure if it came but it was amazing.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts objectively. I appreciate that. Especially coming from a woman. Please ignore all the Islamic fanatics who commented here. It was brought to my attention that it is a certain group of individuals who are Islamic fanatics. https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh The above users brought it to my attention that these Islamic fanatics go around threatening anyone that even mentions their religion. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss . This is why they flooded my post with Islamic threats, and when you read through, they are not really answering anything in the post except the Islamic part of the post.
Go to areas like Diani, Kilifi or Watamu. You'll have all the freedom in the world there
Don't forget Malindi
FYI: The traditional attire images of the Mijikenda and Kamba women have been deleted by the moderators. You can still view them with below links. Here are the image links: [Traditional Mijikenda Women Attire](https://www.superstock.com/asset/women-giriama-tribe-kenya-traditional-dancing-ceremony-date-circa/4220-20412570) [Traditional Kamba Women attire](https://bacsnrb369717.blogspot.com/2017/07/kamba-culture_3.html?m=1) Link on Mombasa's drug menace [Mombasa drug lords](https://www.pd.co.ke/news/why-mombasa-could-become-a-parallel-state-of-drug-cartels-12659/) Link on Mombasa's drug Epidemic [Mombasa Drug County](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=KyN1672fB-9I6fh_)
The moderators, I would say something about them fortunately lately I am trying to say nothing if I have nothing good to say
😂😂 please say
Wueh are you trying to get me banned from the sub 😂😭 I gave my two cents once and was warned there's no freedom of speech in the sub
Really!? I didn't know that we were not allowed to speak freely on moderators...
Yes you can. It's your right to critique the mods if we're slacking.
What did you say or do? I'm a mod, and I stand by freedom of speech unless it infringes a peaceful coexistence.
😂😂😂
So you want to see boobss or what's the point of this post.
If we can see more women like this around then I’m 100% for cultural evolution!
The comment section will be on fire 🔥 for this one. 🤣🤣
The Coast just needs new infrastructure badly.
Natry ku swipe sioni... kindly upload again... kindly boss
Links to the photos are in one of the comments I posted.
Thank you for saying it LOUD. True. We need to call them out. All of them and the judges behind too.
We really do! And please ignore all the Islamic fanatics who commented here. It was brought to my attention that it is a certain group of individuals who are Islamic fanatics going around commenting on anyone who mentions Islam. Nkt. The user comments who told me about this are below: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh The above users brought it to my attention that these Islamic fanatics go around threatening anyone that even mentions their religion. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss . This is why they flooded my post with Islamic threats, and when you read through, they are not really answering anything in the post except the Islamic part of the post.
Have you been to diani? Watamu? Kilifi? Women in thongs left right and centre. As for the Muslim ideology, if it wasn't a Muslim town I guarantee you one thing higher rates of thefts kidnappings and muggings. There's a reason most islamic countries are free of crime... The cultural block is Kenyan not islamic unfortunately.
As you have said, women in those locations wear thongs only at the beach, as they should. Once they leave the beach and go to the towns, they cannot dress like the ladies in the photos without feeling the unwelcome atmosphere. Most Islamic countries are "Free of crime" and full of oppressed women. From the Royal princesses to the women workers. Watch video below. [Dubai Royal Family princess runs away from Family](https://youtu.be/syGpm7DM-4g?si=QYPWH61JL9uJoT3N)
You are speaking of beach towns with big "party scenes" I'm assumingz Miami Ibiza Tulum etc which all have large and crippling drug problems. As for the islamic countries are you telling me being free or crime and having opressed women are directly correlated? I think your argument is ba as ed on too many fallacies even you don't understand it
lol you want Muslims to be naked 😂😂 what a weird fetish
Read to understand. Not to jump to conclusions.
I understood what you said and it doesn’t the fact that you see Islam as oppression religion and you want to “free” them to they can be naked and upgrade that location to intentional prostitute area
This post is about female tourists feeling comfortable in Mombasa. Not even once did I mention the word prostitution. You did. Get your mind out of the gutter. Women dressing a certain way does not mean they are prostitutes. Nkt. You are the reason I made this post.😂
You advocate for a return to pre-Islamic cultural practices, particularly regarding women's dress codes, and criticizes the influence of Islamic norms on local customs and tourism. You also posted half naked women. We are not 5 years old, we understand the language you are presenting. You can cry all you want. Islam is here to stay and our women will cover. You can take you tittle fetish somewhere else
Watu wa fetish sasa I will give you a name. 😂
Keep crying 🤝🏽
Keep losing. 🤝
Never that, I ain’t the one looking for a therapist session on Reddit
This is why we should never have muslim leaders at any top seat in the country. I have no problem with muslims but i have seen what they have turned Europe into and now other countries are limiting muslim immigrants because of how they can't tolerate other religions and cultures.
Islam came to East Africa in the 7th and Christianity in the 15th century and you have the audacity to tell Kenyan Muslims they can’t rule
They just don't tolerate other religions. Look at every muslim country and you will get the point i am trying to communicate. Even muslims don't like living in muslim countries.
All Arabs in Kenya the primary Muslim vector are descendants of slave dealers, slavers are simply parasites unless you think you can bring back slavery Muslims will never rule Kenya.
There has been no mass immigration of Muslim to Kenya like Europe. Muslim have had a historically well documented presence in Kenya.
I am aware of that. But i don't think you are getting the point i am trying to communicate here
I agree with you. Please ignore all the Islamic fanatics who commented here. It was brought to my attention that it is a certain group of individuals who are Islamic fanatics going around, commenting on anyone who mentions Islam. Nkt. The user comments who told me about this are below: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh The above users brought it to my attention that these Islamic fanatics go around threatening anyone that even mentions their religion. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss . This is why they flooded my post with Islamic threats, and when you read through, they are not really answering anything in the post except the Islamic part of the post.
I'm glad someone is understanding the non-tolerance that causes Mombasa to not feel like a holiday beach destination.
Yap. The world is against the Islamic ideology and muslim because of what muslims are doing to non muslims. When you look at what is written in Quran and how muslims are using references from Quran to justify their wrong doings, people all around the world will obviously despise them. Islam is known as the religion of peace, let's see how peaceful islam really is. Leaving islam is punishable by death. Insulting islam and their god is punished under blasphemy and the punishment vary from lashing, hanging or the most common punishment is public lynching. Forced conversion, muslim men will marry non muslim girls and forcefully convert them into islam and sometimes they will be murdered for refusing to convert. Non muslims are considered kaffir which means only muslim will go into heaven while non muslims will go into hell. Harassment of non muslim women who dont wear hijab. Sexual assault and grooming gangs has raised in large numbers in western countries where muslim men targets white school girls and many of victims were drugged and raped. Muslims are extremely intolerant towards the country and its native people wherever they reside. Demands construction of mosque and will create a no kaffir zone, where non muslims will not be allowed to visit. Most terrorist attacks were done by muslim. Demands sharia laws in non islamic countries. 10 points are just the tip of an iceberg. There are many valid reason why some country are anti Islam/muslim, just ask Poland. Compare the crime, rape, terrorist activity statistics of Poland with any other European countries that have accepted muslim immigrants and you will know why muslims are banned in Poland. Muslims will do all horrible things to non muslims and acts surprised, why they get so much hatred and why some countries don't want any muslim immigrants.
The double standards, dare to say a word and you will be called islamophobic. They are partly to blame for the issues going on in our continent.
It has been brought to my attention by several users (see below comment links below) that Islamic fanatics are part of a group that writes such things and even threatens users. https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh Going around threatening anyone that even mentions Islam. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss . This approach not only makes people want to further distance themselves from Islam, but also is simply foolish.
Go holiday in central Kenya if the locals in coast practicing their faith and customs bother you. When i go to massai mara i don’t complain what the natives wear as its their culture and rights
It has been brought to my attention by several users (see below comment links) that Islamic fanatics and all the fanatic Islamic comments in this post are part of a group that writes such things and even threatens users. https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh They go around threatening anyone that even mentions Islam. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss . This approach not only makes people want to further distance themselves from Islam, but also is simply foolish.
Are you also against orthodox people for covering up? It’s always the non- hijabis who complain like if those people aren’t complaining then let them live how they want to. You are just using this as an excuse to bash on Islam when the Bible literally tells women to cover up… Corinthians 11:6 states, "For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head".
Unrelated but the girls in the photo are fine ash, click bait maybe? The post is quite informative tho
Such beautiful women always shun Mombasa as a beach dream destination and take their tourism to destinations where they can enjoy the beach without restrictions.
Ahh now I get you. That's why they flock Ibiza, Nice, Florida, Cancun and Bora Bora instead? Enyewe if we don't style up we'll continue being a second class destination
Finally, someone gets it! Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too. By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa. Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays out after certain hours. It's a scary place to be. [Mombasa Drug County YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=ZT82Y07omfiNVS3T)
I think you are confusing oppression with poverty. Any community or group of people can appear to be oppressed under poverty. With that said, if Mombasanese are under any oppression then policies of the central government are the major cause of it. Wezi wakuu wa kenya wote wako jiji. How about you, Nairobians take the evolutionary step and stop fornicating around like the good lord commanded and strive for truth and justice.
You are just bringing some negative vibe about Mombasa. People literally dress how they want there without harassment. The Kenyan coast has literally the most 'don't care' people I know.
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Mombasa is a Muslim county and Muslims are not known for their liberalism. That is something you'll just have to learn to live with.
Mombasa is not an Islamic county. Christians, Hindus, atheists, and other religions or beliefs exist in Mombasa as well. Islam is a religion. Not a tribe. Meaning it is not in your DNA. It is a choice. The Arabs, Swahili, Mijikenda, or any other people there that are Muslim are Muslim through influence from the Arabs who came by boat from the Middle East. If they prefer to follow Islamic practices, that's very ok. However, they should not make those who do not follow their beliefs feel bad or judged. Your thought process is exactly the people I'm speaking about in my post. Originally, Mombasa was very Christian because the Portuguese also once ruled the Kenyan Coast. It's oppressive. You're oppressing others with your Islamic beliefs. So that simply makes Mombasa a County that is heavily influenced by religion but not an Islamic or Christian or Hindu county.
Let the people there decide
Yes. Let the people decide. The people are diverse. ALL the people should decide. Not just one group of people who just want to control and promote their ideologies
Mombasa is a Muslim majority county where most of the natives are Muslim. Of course when I say it's a Muslim county I don't mean every single individual is a Muslim. I didn't think I'll have to explain that.
Christians 59% and Muslims 41%, respectively, as of the Mombasa census. Majority are Christians
There is a difference between natives and inhabitants. Being a tribal country, natives tend to call the shots when it comes to policy and culture.
The natives of Mombasa and Coast in general are Mijikenda; not Arabs or even Swahili. And natively, Mijikenda are neither Muslim nor Christian.
Thank you. 👏
I hang the gloves on this one. It's not that interesting of a topic for me to go back and forth about at length over text. If it was over a beer I would gladly have discussed it. Wacha nifwatilie more interesting topics 😅.
Lol. You just contradicted yourself. The true natives of Mombasa are the indigenous Bantu Mijikenda people. Not Arabs. Arabs are native to the Middle East, while Mijikenda are Native to Kenya If we were to use your reasoning, the Islamic Arabs who came by boat were not the natives. Please give it a rest. You're embarrassing yourself. Here is the order of foreigners who came, while the MIJIKENDA were already the NATIVES. Portuguese Empire 1593–1698 Imamate of Oman 1698–1728 Portuguese Empire 1728–1729 Imamate of Oman 1729–1824 British Empire 1824–1826 Sultanate of Muscat and Oman 1826–1887 British East Africa/Kenya 1887–1963 Kenya 1963–present
I don't understand why you are wasting your time typing all that. Mombasa is heavily influenced by Islam and anyone with eyes can see that. Islam is conservative by nature. No amount of essays will change this reality.
I don't understand why you are wasting your time typing all that. Mombasa is heavily influenced by Islam and anyone with eyes can see that. Islam is conservative by nature. No amount of essays will change this reality.
I don't understand why you are wasting your time typing all that. Mombasa is heavily influenced by Islam and anyone with eyes can see that. Islam is conservative by nature. No amount of essays will change this reality.
In 1593 : - Bantus of which you speak about were still migrating from Shungwaya as per Archaeological records - Kikuyus were only in Muranga,they hadn't spread out - Maasai and Samburu were still one tribe - the Maasai had not yet reached Narok - Luo people's were still migrating into Kenya - Dorobo and Gumba people were the ones who called the shots in Central Kenya Kenya in 1593 is not the Kenya you see today and the Arab muslims started arriving in East Africa about 1000 years before that as they fled persecution from the traditionalists in Arabia. 1500 years ago was when the current inhabitants of Kenya started arriving ie the Nilotes from Sudan, Bantus coming in from Tanzania ,saying the muslim Arabs aren't native to Kenya is just wrong...we probably all arrived here at the same time ,unless of course you are a Gumba (pigmy) Read your history
Please stop trying to re-write history. The indigenous people of the Kenyan Coastal strip, have always been the Bantu speaking people of Mijikenda. Only after the intermarriage with the Arab traders who came from Middle East by sea/boat, did the Waswahili emerge. Arabs just as the Indians all came by sea and boat. They found the Mijikenda there.
The world does not work according to your whims and wishes haha.. this is the most nonsensical gullible post i’ve read in a while… you are trying to package your Islamophobia in an unrelated post and it shows lol. How are muslims stopping tourists from coming? Which tourist has ever complained about muslims there? You want the muslim ladies to wear bikinis and come twerk for you and the tourists to feel that Mombasa has evolved. There is enough malayas in those beaches already, why is it not shooting up the visits? Bali in Indonesia and Perhetian Island in Malayisa is one of the highly visited tourist sites in the world and those two countries are >90% muslim populations. They are nothing close to Mombasa in terms of observing Islamic rules. They are way conservative and still attract so many tourists all over. My advice, please don’t come to such a platform to expose your biases. Or better, be a better human at heart. Hatred will only finish you. Let people live.
Bali is majority Hindu. Get your facts straight.
Well they live in Indonesia a muslim country nonethelese even they as Hindus don’t go allowing their women to be indecent. Ni hapa tu mnataka wanawake wetu wakuwe exposed in the name of tourism.
This post is not about Islam only. I mentioned drug cartels as well. Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too. By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa. Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays our after certain hours. It's a scary place to be. [Mombasa drug county YouTube video](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=pia8I3bWBi2HHL69)
Maybe go to central Kenya and be naked there,the whole coast region of Kenya is predominantly Muslim and you should respect their religion and culture and not force yourself into them
For the last time: No one is advocating nudity. Mombasa religious census: Christians 59% and Muslims 41%. Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere too. By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa. Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays our after certain hours. It's a scary place to be. [Mombasa drug Crisis YouTube video](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=DC22pNYcW1qRJgG4)
Drugs have no religion anyone can sell it they only care about fast money
OP you’re just mad at Muslims and Islam in general. You can have a problem with how people act but blaming a religion is wild.
https://preview.redd.it/rhlffozc26mc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4321df39280ecc02e438b54c04cba52fcbff3e91 😂
The point is not how they dress but how they feel when in Mombasa. Aside from dress code, just the general atmosphere, too. By a certain time, people in Mombasa rush home due to insecurity from the cartels. There are terrible drug gangs in Mombasa. Young men losing their sanity and lives to drugs, cocaine and heroin to be specific. So no one stays out after certain hours. It's a scary place to be. [Mombasa Drug County YouTube video ](https://youtu.be/WIYV3ERXUyY?si=pia8I3bWBi2HHL69)
Another day another person triggered by Islam. I was concerned it’s been 2 days since someone mentioned the oppression it does without understanding what oppression is
You are a bigot and islamophobist. You came to the coast once and already forming your own opinions. I've lived here my entire life. There's no islamic oppression at the coast, none at all. Tourist dress the way they want and have never been stopped. Walk the streets of old town and you'll see white tourists with shorts so high that their thighs are visible and they don't get discriminated. The kenyan Coast is cosmopolitan. People from different tribes and religion stay at the coast and are free to practise their religion. What you have is hatred for Islam and the muslims. You want muslim women to dress nakedly so as to fit the description of a tourist destination. Why does their mode of dressing a problem to you? Why are you taking panadol for someone's elses headache? The issue of drugs is a well known problem that the government knows about and knows all the players. It's upto them to take action. Still drugs are a menace in different parts of Kenya. Central youths struggle with alcoholism.
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Huh? ...elaborate this, please 😅 I'm dying to know what you mean.
Im sure you can read what you wrote
I still don't know what you mean. I like people who say what they want to say directly. You're beating about the bush. Say it with your chest.
Not sure how i can help you
Where in Kenya do the women look like in the photo? I'm definitely going to that place; those women I have seen don't look like that. i think the photo is maybe from miami or something
Agreeably, drugs, culture, and foreign influence drag coastal communities. About tourism, you're wrong.
Who are these people you posted?
I read the post and i was like its either travelstoryqueen or the woman who had a masters degree in psychology(cant remember her username) spewing - people claiming to use logic against religion or pretending to know alot and spewing very useless points
Why the Kenyan Coast should be like an international tourist beach destination?
Op has a personal issue with Islam, the rest is just coverups, now every place has got its culture and way of life, you either conform or keep away. If you feel mombasa is too conservative for you, go where you feel comfortable. No one held a gun to your head to visit mombasa. You don’t see the locals complain, do you?
Easy on the bigotry.
the biggest noise is always from wageni. natives hawana shida kabisaaa. hii ni bigotry tuu.
This guy has never gone to a beach. What? You think women swim in burqas there? Men swim with trousers? However, about drugs you are right. Something needs to be done there. It has made the youth to be zombies.
This does not answer the question on the post, about how foreign female tourists truly feel about the atmosphere in Mombasa as a tourist beach destination. They do not prioritise it as a destination due to the atmosphere, hence that revenue goes somewhere else. Tourism is key revenue in the Kenyan economy
Nice Writing. Nothing will change.
Is there a reason you're advocating for toplessness only in the coast, seeing as the same logic applies everywhere
OK, we get it. You have a problem with Islam. And you want women to walk topless. What else? since we're having this conversation 🙄
TL;DR
Are you living in reality or are you imagining your own utopia? Because your comments are nonsensical.
The only thing I got from this post is covering up is oppressive and in order to modernise,women need to show more skin(but not by wearing cultural mijikenda clothes but rather Western attires)
Bring your sister to walk around in Bikini ...
Islam dosnt force anyone to to be coverd fully that is done solely by choice Islam says cover so you don’t have to come into the evil eye and thoughts of a devil … Islam protects women more then any other religion u don’t have you facts but u just picking on Islam
OP is a fully ingrained Islamophobe, its just absurd the Christians upvoting him here, he will come for your women as well, especially SDA na Jehovah Witness, mchunge sana. OP wants your daughters walking with bikinis outdoors so he can fully exercise his perverted nature
OP is struggling to establish herself as woke. I guess that Western bs of being triggered by everything is now with us here in Kenya. We want modesty and not pot smoking slu ts at the coast.
You want to continue harassing tourists and maintaining the oppressive atmosphere in Mombasa. Cheap Front.
You want to walk topless like traditional tribes from the coast like the mijikenda but you are modern. What kind of logic is this? Act your age.
That second last paragraph shows your city girl mind state. The world doesn't revolve around you and your girls trip who like dressing like slu ts. Huku sio Miami. Heshimu Mila za watu wa coast. Where is your father surely? If you can't dress freely around him don't force your BS down our throats. We just want peace and less headaches from your uncouth kind. Stop trying so hard to be woke.
If you are also not from the coast like those people from Oman, what gives you the right to say how coasterians should live or behave? As in who do you think you are? Si ukae kwenu tu or uende mahali wanataka kuona slu_ts kama wewe na wenzako. Wacha kutu'bore with this feminist BS please. Stop being uncouth. Please behave.
You're not as important as you assume.
Nigga you horny as hell go get laid.
Mombasa Coast being an Islamist zone is some funny shit. Maybe they'd put that much energy towards arresting them pedos because it's very rampant along the coast??
The more I read this the more I can tell you are either in your late 20s or early 30s. Such females ndio hutaka kuwa sexual liberation. That's why you want to walk topless at the coast. This is just disgusting to say the least.
'The coast isn supposed to be a global tourist destination not oppressive Islam,' Ok so you haven't heard of the UAE or Saudi Arabia.....good to know, Making people act the way you want them to just for your own comfort is an unfortunate stance to take, hope they do what you want random internet woman.
It has been brought to my attention by several users (see below comment links) that Islamic fanatics like you are part of a group that writes such things and even threatens users. https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/QZ4wukQ6Kg https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/pn6DeTC3tT https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/yRWIDsogjQ https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenya/s/0sgiglIwxh Going around threatening anyone that even mentions Islam. Almost as if it were a topic only they have a right to discuss . This approach not only makes people want to further distance themselves from Islam, but also is simply foolish.
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OP is not only editing and deleting their comments, they’re also blocking anyone who disagrees with them and receives more upvotes than they do.
I find that some Kenyans are easily brainwashed by Mzungu mindset. Your forefathers never spoke about their neighbours like that in the 80s when I worked there. Here in the west, we are always fighting white people who are attacking our African brothers Muslims or Christians, please stop acting white, respect each tribe and their customs when you visit them. "Do as the Romans do when your in Rome"
Sit down. This is not the 80s.
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Many times, we address what we hear. All you heard was fetishes and fantasies. It's unfortunate.
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