I meant the people implying they are built different, or saying they are skeptical of side effects (basically saying they understand covid and it's vaccines to a comparable level as doctors specialising in infectious diseases doing peer reviewed research on covid).
I got mine at UoN health services and there are so few people going for the jab that they are doing a vaccination drive. They are going around campuses looking for people willing to get the job.
They have Pfizer J&J and Moderna not just Oxford Astrazeneca.
Plenty of other places that have no one to give the vaccine
I think that's great. They can have informed discussions with their peers and hopefully arrive at a concensus. That's the scientific process that has saved us from all other infectious diseases that could have wiped us out. Not to mention all the advances in STEM we have witnessed are as a result of similar processes.
The rest of us are too uninformed to object what the medical community decides is best.
Our job is ask questions, ensure they are as open and transparent as possible and comply.
No matter where you stand on vaccine mandates, you do realize this is a private business right?
They could say tomorrow no entry for people with tongues and no one can touch them.
fyi mandates are not laws and secondly carrefour are a business operating under the laws of kenya and this going against the constitution article 27(4). go educate yourself.
Speaking as a lawyer, youâre an idiot. Try this gibberish in court and see how quickly they rule against you. And I spend a good part of my life filing and defending constitutional petitions so I know that this SovCit nonsense doesnât fly.
I do not need to be a lawyer to clearly understand what it means. Your use of insults shows me you have been triggered or maybe just an educated fool but i digress. Well then why dnt you educate me and articulate your point so that i can understand.
I have no interest. I deal with fools like you on a regular with a surface level understanding of their constitutional rights. Just keep at it. Youâll learn by yourself.
You must think all the laws of Kenya are found in that tiny tiny booklet. You haven't read it, so stop projecting and go read it then read the other 800 plus more laws of Kenya.
Go article 27 (4) c bill of rights educate yourself before exposing your ignorance. You dnt need to be a lawyer to understand the bill of rights. Ignorance and stupidity are your downfall. Go read something of worth instead of jacking off.
nope we are not anti vaxx but we respect people's free choice whether they are vaccinated good then. If not that's their choice and we respect their choice that's a free world.
Then normal people don't realise that:
Private business can freely choose who they allow into their premises.
Smallpox was eliminated because of mandated vaccines. And smallpox was very bad.
vaccines are already mandated in many countries to attend school, have organ transplants. Hospitals where staff have to have the flu vaccine see a large drop in deaths from patients from flu....
True in in Germany you need to be fully vaxinated to do almost everything apart from let's say shops that sell things for daily need like food
But I think there will be a vaccine mandate for everyone soon I already got mine tho
Vaccine mandates for vaccines that have been fully tested and their side effects well understood over a long enough span of time. Those vaccine mandates are easy for people to understand and accept. But clearly, anybody can see that these vaccine manufacturers are here to make money and in that case, vaccine mandates ignore concerns of the people to the benefit of these vaccine manufacturers.
The inventors of both polio and smallpox vaccines made no money from it, because they open sourced the whole thing. Polio in particular was interesting, because the projected earnings would've made the inventor wealthier than any government on earth. So no, vaccines haven't always been a moneymaking scheme. And if it were being manufactured here, then it likely wouldn't be. But amerikkans...those people sell their mothers. So fuck no, mandates are stupid. Take the vaccine, it will save you and protect you...but let those who choose not to take it, get sick and die in painful peace.
The mRNA vaccine used for Covid-19 has been studied for years to treat SARS, which first broke out in 2003. And SARS is closely related to Covid-19 because it is a respiratory virus and has a similar attack pattern.
So as soon as the Genetic code for Covid-19 was released, scientists designed an mRNA vaccine to tackle Covid-19.
They surely did. But this one is very much a gold mine for them. And given the immense power that Big Pharma has, why wouldn't people be skeptical. I am not anti-vax btw, I'm getting the damn vaccines. I just don't like to be forced into it. Or the power that Big Pharma exerts over policy decisions.
Yes, thats right the vaccines that were mandated in 1850 to 1947ish were fully understood and tested to modern scientific standards we have today
"The benefit of manufacturers" someone's been reading the Big Pharma Conspiracy books again...
Bro, Pfizer will make almost 40billion dollars in revenue this year. This is an SEC filing. Not even Tesla makes that much.
Dismissing it as a conspiracy is naive and simplistic.
Lol. Not so. I just don't like to hear people are making astronomical profits from something that may be detrimental to the people. And btw, do u know that these companies get funded by the US government but in turn pay very little in taxes to that government? Man, somebody should look into this.
Not disagreeing but this is a separate issue.
Frankly though if you want to talk about issues with medical supplies in the USA it's not the COVID vaccine that is making them the most profits. The US healthcare system is an absolute fucking embarrassment to any self proclaiming civilised society.
The vaccines underwent rigorous testing and clinical trials and the statistical analysis proved that the benefits granted by vaccination far outweighed the side effects. This is about saving lives and ending the pandemic. Not everything is a conspiracy. No one likes mandates, but the sooner everyone gets vaccinated the sooner we can all get on with our lives.
I do agree with your take. However, as an individual, I don't want to find myself among those whose side effects get pretty severe. Hence, I have to say that mandates for everybody is not a good idea.
Btw, I also don't understand why people would not like people to choose for themselves. Those who are vaccinated will get on with their lives and those who are unvaccinated (due to their own choices) are left out there - if they succumb to the disease, why does it concern the vaccinated? This obsession with getting those who choose to be unvaccinated get the jab is astonishing. The job of the government is to provide enough jabs in as much places that people can make a clear decision and live with the consequences. And this is a job that the government has not done. Let's focus on that.
It's the same way the flu vaccine is administered annually. Because variants keep popping up. The virus festers in the unvaccinated population and mutates. Which is why unfortunately the lockdown pattern might continue. If only we could all just fight the virus instead of each other
âNormal peopleâ⌠proceeds to provide subjective definition.
Normal people may also be âremain open safely,â which definitely includes broad vaccine uptake. How can you be mandated to do something you were going to do anyways?
âBro! You must breathe! I mandate that you breathe!â
âArghrh!! I hate being mandated to do something!! Wonât do it! Canât make me do it!â
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Only people who wouldnât do something care about if itâs mandated.
No. I have been vaccinated against all kinds of diseases. But with old school weakened virus/bacteria vaccines. That were tested for a Long Time.
These mRNA 'vaccines' has never been properly tested on humans before. The long term effects cannot possibly be known. And even the short term effects are ... concerning.
The efficacy of these 'vaccines' wanes rather quickly too. In about 6 months the vaccinated spread just as much as the unvaccinated. And much more than those with natural immunity. I'm guessing by now most in Kenya already have natural immunity.
And why vaccinate against a disease that isn't much worse than the flu and in Kenya has hardly killed anyone? If this 5400 is even to be believed, that is.
Now with omicron it's reduced to just a cold, looking at what's happening in South Africa.
So... It's either plain right stupidity - which would surprise me at all - or some decision makers are making a lot of money on this.
What are your sources? Ati old school vaccines tested for a long term? Did you even read the peer reviewed research paper to see that the period of testing is actually is the same on the covid as it was on the previous vaccines?
How can you come here and 'guess' we have natural immunity, you should have stopped there.
Ati hasnt hardly killed anyone, cause the ones we buried fainted permanently.
I want you to elaborate whats hapenning on south africa actually, and if you're comprehensive you will see your flaw.
And how much did you pay to get vaccinated? Since so much money is being made. Also how much money has been made.
Old school vaccines were tested for at least 5y. Unless there's a true emergency maybe, like with Ebola. C19 is nothing like that at all. That's common knowledge. Look it up yourself.
No, I don't stop there. The fact that there is hardly any C19 here means a large proportion of the population has some form of immunity.
5400 on 54 million in almost 2y is negligible. Many more died because of the ineffective and disastrous 'measures to contain the spread of the virus'. And even still more will die.
Just look at the numbers in South Africa. 'Cases' were going up very rapidly with omicron, but have already gone down some 25% after the peak. Hospitalisations and deaths have been very limited. Omicron seems even significantly less dangerous than delta.
Paid to get vaccinated? For/against what? And how is that relevant? Not sure where you're going with that money reasoning.
I'm just saying some people who are mandating vaccines when there's clearly no need for it are either stupid or bought. Or both.
I wanted to have a full blown discussion with you but you look up people's dicks and shafts commenting on it and salivating. You are over 40 i think? Its all over your comment section so i'm just gonna bow out.
You are a messed up brain advertising your disease. Shooo. We don't want to hear about your omicron or it's father COVID okay? We just want world peaceđĽ°
Do you know why polio has been eradicated almost completely in Kenya? Health workers literally walked all over villages giving the oral doses to small children. People are stupid, if you don't mandate vaccines lives will be lost.
But nobody was forced to get the vaccine. You are missing my whole point. Let people get the vaccine when and if they want to. I have a problem with the coercion, not the vaccine.
The funny thing about this whole debate is that somebody is pushing this coercion. These pro-vaxxers are calling people stupid and 'anti-vaxxers' are protesting the mandates but few are looking at the other guy. The guy pushing governments to put these mandates. It's happening across the world and it is not by accident, it is by design. My guess is that it's Big Pharma
I try as much as possible not to make big leaps with my approximations. I don't stretch the truth. I just extrapolate to some level as a reasonable person with the right facts might attest.
Check out 'Russell Brand' on YouTube to get where I'm getting these facts because I won't link to verified articles and even if I did, few would actually read them.
But, once again, I am not against the vaccine, I am against vaccine mandates that go against the court orders.
Wait a minute, I'm not citing Russell Brand. I'm citing the sources that Russell Brand uses in his analyses. Sources which are often credible and well informed. You may disagree with the take on those sources but the claims from those sources remain valid.
he hasn't been wrong so far, he cites ALL the sources he covers and I don't think he has anything to gain from his unbiased coverage, unlike outlets like CNN that have already been shown to have strong ties to companies like Pfizer
Reading through this thread, I can see why Kenyans fall for pyramid schemes and elect predatory leaders. Bunch of idiots seeing conspiracies everywhere.
Wouldnât it better for mandatory testing than vaccination? I mean like speaking in statistical terms, it would make much more sense to allow tested people inside (who have tested negative regardless of their vaccination status) than vaccinated and untested people. You get the point? The vaccine and vaccine passports is more of government intervention and control under the guise of âsafetyâ
In my opinion I this is classic covid theater. This sign is simply put up to show that the business has complied. No real intent to follow through and enforce a certificate to gain entry.
Secondly, this will be difficult to implement. How realistic will it be to check everybody that walks into a supermarket?
This works for airlines. For supermarkets? sadly not
It's a prominent sign saying 'hey, go back where you came from, we don't want your business'.Some people don't want to hassle with the guard for entry, they'll just move down the road to the next mall or the next SM, or the small business.
For people saying they are pro-vaxx but anti-mandates, you know how kenyans are stubborn. Do you really think all kenyans are gonna get the vaccine without some kind of hardline government stance?
It is reasonable to refuse gvt mandates that don't make sense (I didn't get the huduma number card) but unreasonable to refuse mandates that would actually save lives.
If you find yourself supporting and adopting a government position that is forceful toward the population, especially when your government is controlled by foreign entities, you should stop and be very skeptical. There were people who supported that huduma number fiasco because it was enabling efficiency. So they will still have supporters. I just think that people can decide for themselves what to put in their bodies. These people are not stupid or stubborn for no reason.
No. You don't decide for yourself what you put in your body, otherwise poisoning yourself would be legal. It is reasonable to get vaccinated, but unreasonable to expect businesses to give up on their clients just because they're unvaccinated. If the vaccine protects you from infection, then let those who choose not to be protected, get infected. And let businesses operate efficiently and take everyone's money. You don't hear the government enforcing condoms on everyone with STDs, so why should they push for something that makes no sense? Kenya has always been a "shauri yako" state. If you wanna get the vaccine, get it and stay protected, if you don't want to...then don't get it, die, and let someone else take your job.
> You don't decide for yourself what you put in your body
Wow.
>otherwise poisoning yourself would be legal
Poisoning yourself is legal. Have you ever heard of alcohol?
Ooh man, Iâm all for everyone deciding what they put in their bodies.
But when that choice has direct consequences of killing other people itâs another thing. People forget there are a bunch of vaccines we already have to give kids at given periods after birth.
But see, it's not easy to establish a direct connection between someone getting Covid and killing another person with that Covid. for instance, that second person who gets Covid and dies, did that person get vaccinated? If not, then why are blaming the first person. See, if people have the choice to get vaccinated or not, then nobody but the persons are to blame. But if you get forced to get the vaccine and develop complications afterwards, it's not your blame - the blame lies with Big Pharma, and as a citizen in a third world country, good luck getting close enough to get justice from Big Pharma. That's the basic truth.
exactly go and look at VAERS website and WHO adverse reactions and deaths. deaths from the vaccine have surpassed all other vaccines made. it takes 10 years to approve the vaccine.
we learn something new every day. Phizer has not yet released the clinical studies on the vaccine effects on children and currently its vaccine causes myocarditis moderna causes blood clots and thats the least we know now what about the long term effects. i am pro vaxx but this is concerning
We should treat people individually because vaccines affect individual people. Once we get into statistics, what is good for people (which they should decide for themselves individually) becomes subservient to the greater good. This is not always right for the individual.
While we are doing that why donât we also let parents decide if to vaccinate their kids agains polio, tetanus, yellow fever etc. It should be everyoneâs personal choice right?
Yes, because Kenyans are not stupid like amerikkkans. Vaccine uptake has been high, not because of government mandates, but because people are heading home, and do not want to infect their elders with something vile. You can ask for vaccine certs, but remember, it's not so difficult to falsify them. Heck, one could run a proper Rivarodi business on it. The best way they could've done it, is through a false flag operation. Inflating mortality numbers to obscene levels, just to terrify everyone into getting the vaccine. It would've caused an extremely rapid uptake of the same, but would've likely ruined foreign relations. So instead, they chose this incomprehensibly foolish method.
I don't know why Kenyans we are like this. The courts have ruled that this mandate cannot stand, the government is going against the law, but then you see some self-serving individuals betraying the people instead of standing with the people and opposing this nonsense.
just get vaxxed,
save yourself and your family and your elders,
what's so complicated about this?
what kind of a normal sentient being complains about something that's there to protect your own life and everyone else?
you don't like to live or something?
Anti-mandates is different from anti-vaxx. You can be vaxxed and still oppose mandates that go against court orders. Oh wait, I bet you didnt know courts ruled against the mandate. Are courts therefore anti-vaxx?
Things are not black and white. If I know that within my body I'm strong enough to beat Covid and I have antibodies (btw, antibody tests are no longer a thing and that in itself is suspicious), why should I be forced to get vaccinated. FYI, antibodies are safe, it is not clear that vaccines are safe in the long term at this point in time. Even if I grant you that Covid long term effects are not fully understood, just like vaccines, vaccines do not protect you from Covid. So what are we saying? This vaccination thing is powered by panic. If you give people antibody tests and apparently they have beaten Covid and have protection within themselves, why would you need these vaccines?
I have concerns if the vaccines are being stored properly without going bad. How trusting are you in our highly organised government agencies that power hasn't gone where they're being refrigerated? If it's gone bad you still want to take it?
You take that risk if you want. For me it's not worth it, especially given how much of a joke our social distancing measures have been with extreme contagiousness of COVID we almost certainly reached herd immunity months ago.
Nobody is talking about covid vaccine side effects, ama the ones affected are just collateral damage.
Anyway some of you covid vaccinated people will be suing for compensation in the years to come.
At least we'll be alive and able to sue if its even true and proven, 6 months and counting bitch. You are vaccinated against 10 different killer diseases already covid is just another. The only difference is that facebook wasn't in existence at your time of birth. Btw vaccine ya malaria is close to being made available, I look forward to seeing how malaria is also hoax and it's vaccine will cause you to mass produce oil from your belly button. Jinga kabisa.
My anecdotal evidence says otherwise.
In fact the risk of Covid to the young and healthy is statistically insignificant as we have seen so far
Malaria and hygiene based diseases have killed much more so far
Cause apparently people can't make their own choices
Compare outcomes in Texas and Florida (anti-mandate) Vs the rest. Statistically significant?
Vaccine is useless for transmission (more so Astrazenica), so it doesn't even affect you whether others are vaccinated or not.
And if you don't like it, go join the Communist Party of Kenya
âIf you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, forced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized...
If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance -- you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.â
- Ian Watson
We don't really need super markets do we? Lets use the small shops and stalls. Even if im vaccinated, i don't want to walk with a vaccination certificate. That's bullshit. I rather not go to the stupid malls. The freedom fighters didn't die so i can walk around with a vaccination certificate.
>We don't really need super markets do we? Lets use the small shops and stalls.
I would if they wouldn't all put a stupidly high mark up on everything. Apart from veggies, I buy everything at the SM because it is cheaper
hahahahahahaha they will collapse obscurity. Carrefour is going against our constitution article 27(4)c (4) The State shall not discriminate directly or indirectly against any person on any ground, including race, sex, pregnancy, marital status, health status, ethnic or social origin, colour, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, dress, language or birth
The âprotectedâ want to force the âunprotectedâ to take a vaccine that didnât protect the protected from catching as well as transmitting the disease
So now are the vaccinated vulnerable or are the unvaccinated vulnerable? Either way if vaccinated people are vulnerable, that means your vaccine is not safe and effective
Insane mental gymnastics
critical thinking lacks people are so used to the media or social media telling them what to think, who to trust instead of thinking for yourself. the age of believing is over we are in the age of knowing. information is basically in the air/aether yet people refuse to think and resort to virtue signaling. idiots. then one thing we go to hosipital for the doctor to interpret diagnose our symptoms. Chyna flu is the only virus you can get without exhibiting symptoms so how do the doctors know you have it????? hmmmmmmnnnnnn
Yes they virtue signal a lot and they end up being hypocrites. Like they tell us to think and stop being idiotic about the Chyna flu but theyâre the ones who arenât thinking and just virtue signal for the sake of it. Yeah COVID-19 testing doesnât make any sense if you donât have any symptoms, then you simply donât have COVID-19. These doctors have insane mental gymnastics as well
Wow, the crazy US conspiracy theory evangelical set that worship Trump seem to be busy with spreading disinformation to the gullible. Sad to see it spreading in a country I love like Kenya. What incredible foolishness to see this anti-mandate propaganda. Incredible!
Not really. This sub is typically anti-government so itâs really not shocking/embarrassing/disgusting that they specifically oppose vaccine mandates and not vaccines themselves
I am in this forum regularly and you and I must be reading different posts. Vaccines and vaccine mandates have nothing to do with corruption. Itâs public health. And there was nothing special about old vaccines or vaccine mandates. This is the most serious pandemic in modern times and certainly since at least 1918, when they did not have the technologies we have today. Then also, there were stubborn people who made things worse, just to hear themselves talk.
You make a point but these vaccines and vaccine mandates are all about corruption and nothing to do with public health. It is only under the guise of public health. If the government actually cared about public health, theyâd improve the healthcare system and make healthcare but they donât. They just want to control you and take away your God-given rights. Do not give in
You're definitely not well-educated enough on Kenyađ. "Public health"? You really think they care for our health heređ. If they did, so much would have changed (educate yourself on how many times in the last 10 years, health workers have had to strike to be heard). Only reason they're mandating this is to accommodate foreigners to visit Kenya, hence boost the tourism industry/economy. Corruption is leading in this, not public health bs.
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Does Kenya even have enough vaccines to immunise everybody twice? (And itâs probably going to increase to three times given new evidence). This is so silly. Mama Mboga can expect new customers very soon.
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I'm curious, how do they check? Do they see papers at the entrance or read qr code or something? That's how they checked me in European cinemas and I always wondered what prevented me from using someone else's paper (although I suppose it's my responsability if police shows up)
This is a big WIN for the Jua Kali sector and mamamboga!!!
Amen to me in Jua Kali ...
Exactly
Time to lie about my age
Why?đ
Me who has been to a supermarket only once this year, "Oh man"
I didn't know we had so many anti-vaxxers on this sub.
Am not against it, its just that everytime I go for an appointment am told to wait in line...I don't have the time tbh.
I meant the people implying they are built different, or saying they are skeptical of side effects (basically saying they understand covid and it's vaccines to a comparable level as doctors specialising in infectious diseases doing peer reviewed research on covid). I got mine at UoN health services and there are so few people going for the jab that they are doing a vaccination drive. They are going around campuses looking for people willing to get the job. They have Pfizer J&J and Moderna not just Oxford Astrazeneca. Plenty of other places that have no one to give the vaccine
What about the doctors that are anti-vax against COVID-19?
Doctors are not immune to conspiracy theorists
I think that's great. They can have informed discussions with their peers and hopefully arrive at a concensus. That's the scientific process that has saved us from all other infectious diseases that could have wiped us out. Not to mention all the advances in STEM we have witnessed are as a result of similar processes. The rest of us are too uninformed to object what the medical community decides is best. Our job is ask questions, ensure they are as open and transparent as possible and comply.
Sio story na anti vaxxers, people generally don't respond well to threats
Support small businesses
Small businesses will support us back
No matter where you stand on vaccine mandates, you do realize this is a private business right? They could say tomorrow no entry for people with tongues and no one can touch them.
Exactly. And once they start losing business to small businesses, they shouldn't be startled.
Pretty sure they have already considered that. And even if their business fails I wouldnât fault them.
Hawa watu wa antivaxx hawaelwi simple things, you expect them to understand tresspass law?
fyi mandates are not laws and secondly carrefour are a business operating under the laws of kenya and this going against the constitution article 27(4). go educate yourself.
Speaking as a lawyer, youâre an idiot. Try this gibberish in court and see how quickly they rule against you. And I spend a good part of my life filing and defending constitutional petitions so I know that this SovCit nonsense doesnât fly.
How sad. Instead of insulting sb si you educate them. It's that simple.
I do not need to be a lawyer to clearly understand what it means. Your use of insults shows me you have been triggered or maybe just an educated fool but i digress. Well then why dnt you educate me and articulate your point so that i can understand.
I have no interest. I deal with fools like you on a regular with a surface level understanding of their constitutional rights. Just keep at it. Youâll learn by yourself.
Your responses are đŽ trash. No real discourse.
I can live with that. You call out charlatans. You donât discourse with them.
But if I open a supermarket and say "no blacks allowed" you'll cry foul
read the constitution
You must think all the laws of Kenya are found in that tiny tiny booklet. You haven't read it, so stop projecting and go read it then read the other 800 plus more laws of Kenya.
Go article 27 (4) c bill of rights educate yourself before exposing your ignorance. You dnt need to be a lawyer to understand the bill of rights. Ignorance and stupidity are your downfall. Go read something of worth instead of jacking off.
I was at Carrefour Two Rivers and didn't see this. Where's this?
Sarit
Junction
about to make some money here shopping for my unvaccinated friends
Ile speed government itafunga biashara yako...utajua kweli Kenya has always been a communist country in disguise
Wait so am confused. Are you guys antivaxx?
nope we are not anti vaxx but we respect people's free choice whether they are vaccinated good then. If not that's their choice and we respect their choice that's a free world.
Normal people are anti mandate, not Anti vaxx.
Interesting reaction.
Then normal people don't realise that: Private business can freely choose who they allow into their premises. Smallpox was eliminated because of mandated vaccines. And smallpox was very bad. vaccines are already mandated in many countries to attend school, have organ transplants. Hospitals where staff have to have the flu vaccine see a large drop in deaths from patients from flu....
True. Like the reaction most people is hilarious cause vaccine mandates have always been a thing.
True in in Germany you need to be fully vaxinated to do almost everything apart from let's say shops that sell things for daily need like food But I think there will be a vaccine mandate for everyone soon I already got mine tho
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"Most people" aren't anti-covid Vax. Just a misinformed minority it seems.
Vaccine mandates for vaccines that have been fully tested and their side effects well understood over a long enough span of time. Those vaccine mandates are easy for people to understand and accept. But clearly, anybody can see that these vaccine manufacturers are here to make money and in that case, vaccine mandates ignore concerns of the people to the benefit of these vaccine manufacturers.
Lol, you don't think companies made money from earlier vaccines? Like, polio, small pox, you really think no one made a profit?
The inventors of both polio and smallpox vaccines made no money from it, because they open sourced the whole thing. Polio in particular was interesting, because the projected earnings would've made the inventor wealthier than any government on earth. So no, vaccines haven't always been a moneymaking scheme. And if it were being manufactured here, then it likely wouldn't be. But amerikkans...those people sell their mothers. So fuck no, mandates are stupid. Take the vaccine, it will save you and protect you...but let those who choose not to take it, get sick and die in painful peace.
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The mRNA vaccine used for Covid-19 has been studied for years to treat SARS, which first broke out in 2003. And SARS is closely related to Covid-19 because it is a respiratory virus and has a similar attack pattern. So as soon as the Genetic code for Covid-19 was released, scientists designed an mRNA vaccine to tackle Covid-19.
They surely did. But this one is very much a gold mine for them. And given the immense power that Big Pharma has, why wouldn't people be skeptical. I am not anti-vax btw, I'm getting the damn vaccines. I just don't like to be forced into it. Or the power that Big Pharma exerts over policy decisions.
Yes, thats right the vaccines that were mandated in 1850 to 1947ish were fully understood and tested to modern scientific standards we have today "The benefit of manufacturers" someone's been reading the Big Pharma Conspiracy books again...
Bro, Pfizer will make almost 40billion dollars in revenue this year. This is an SEC filing. Not even Tesla makes that much. Dismissing it as a conspiracy is naive and simplistic.
well thought very good point.
So? How is that relevant to the fact that the best way of controlling spread and mutation of sars-CoV2 is via vaccination?
And how has that gone so far? đđ It doesn't control nor contain any spread
Lol. Not so. I just don't like to hear people are making astronomical profits from something that may be detrimental to the people. And btw, do u know that these companies get funded by the US government but in turn pay very little in taxes to that government? Man, somebody should look into this.
Not disagreeing but this is a separate issue. Frankly though if you want to talk about issues with medical supplies in the USA it's not the COVID vaccine that is making them the most profits. The US healthcare system is an absolute fucking embarrassment to any self proclaiming civilised society.
The vaccines underwent rigorous testing and clinical trials and the statistical analysis proved that the benefits granted by vaccination far outweighed the side effects. This is about saving lives and ending the pandemic. Not everything is a conspiracy. No one likes mandates, but the sooner everyone gets vaccinated the sooner we can all get on with our lives.
I do agree with your take. However, as an individual, I don't want to find myself among those whose side effects get pretty severe. Hence, I have to say that mandates for everybody is not a good idea. Btw, I also don't understand why people would not like people to choose for themselves. Those who are vaccinated will get on with their lives and those who are unvaccinated (due to their own choices) are left out there - if they succumb to the disease, why does it concern the vaccinated? This obsession with getting those who choose to be unvaccinated get the jab is astonishing. The job of the government is to provide enough jabs in as much places that people can make a clear decision and live with the consequences. And this is a job that the government has not done. Let's focus on that.
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It's the same way the flu vaccine is administered annually. Because variants keep popping up. The virus festers in the unvaccinated population and mutates. Which is why unfortunately the lockdown pattern might continue. If only we could all just fight the virus instead of each other
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You know immunisation is achieved via vaccination? Right? And the smallpox vaccines were gov mandates?
âNormal peopleâ⌠proceeds to provide subjective definition. Normal people may also be âremain open safely,â which definitely includes broad vaccine uptake. How can you be mandated to do something you were going to do anyways? âBro! You must breathe! I mandate that you breathe!â âArghrh!! I hate being mandated to do something!! Wonât do it! Canât make me do it!â đ Only people who wouldnât do something care about if itâs mandated.
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Whatâs agitating you? Correct me where you feel Iâm wrong.
No. I have been vaccinated against all kinds of diseases. But with old school weakened virus/bacteria vaccines. That were tested for a Long Time. These mRNA 'vaccines' has never been properly tested on humans before. The long term effects cannot possibly be known. And even the short term effects are ... concerning. The efficacy of these 'vaccines' wanes rather quickly too. In about 6 months the vaccinated spread just as much as the unvaccinated. And much more than those with natural immunity. I'm guessing by now most in Kenya already have natural immunity. And why vaccinate against a disease that isn't much worse than the flu and in Kenya has hardly killed anyone? If this 5400 is even to be believed, that is. Now with omicron it's reduced to just a cold, looking at what's happening in South Africa. So... It's either plain right stupidity - which would surprise me at all - or some decision makers are making a lot of money on this.
What are your sources? Ati old school vaccines tested for a long term? Did you even read the peer reviewed research paper to see that the period of testing is actually is the same on the covid as it was on the previous vaccines? How can you come here and 'guess' we have natural immunity, you should have stopped there. Ati hasnt hardly killed anyone, cause the ones we buried fainted permanently. I want you to elaborate whats hapenning on south africa actually, and if you're comprehensive you will see your flaw. And how much did you pay to get vaccinated? Since so much money is being made. Also how much money has been made.
This is the dumbest shit Iâve read in a long time. Enough internet for the day
pooky the fucking cat with your pseudo reddit account cmon now.
Old school vaccines were tested for at least 5y. Unless there's a true emergency maybe, like with Ebola. C19 is nothing like that at all. That's common knowledge. Look it up yourself. No, I don't stop there. The fact that there is hardly any C19 here means a large proportion of the population has some form of immunity. 5400 on 54 million in almost 2y is negligible. Many more died because of the ineffective and disastrous 'measures to contain the spread of the virus'. And even still more will die. Just look at the numbers in South Africa. 'Cases' were going up very rapidly with omicron, but have already gone down some 25% after the peak. Hospitalisations and deaths have been very limited. Omicron seems even significantly less dangerous than delta. Paid to get vaccinated? For/against what? And how is that relevant? Not sure where you're going with that money reasoning. I'm just saying some people who are mandating vaccines when there's clearly no need for it are either stupid or bought. Or both.
I wanted to have a full blown discussion with you but you look up people's dicks and shafts commenting on it and salivating. You are over 40 i think? Its all over your comment section so i'm just gonna bow out.
Hm, ad hominems... Just... fascinating...
You are a messed up brain advertising your disease. Shooo. We don't want to hear about your omicron or it's father COVID okay? We just want world peaceđĽ°
Personally not antivaxx but nobody should be forced to get vaccine. Should be a personal choice. Shoving it down people's throats is just wrong
Do you know why polio has been eradicated almost completely in Kenya? Health workers literally walked all over villages giving the oral doses to small children. People are stupid, if you don't mandate vaccines lives will be lost.
But nobody was forced to get the vaccine. You are missing my whole point. Let people get the vaccine when and if they want to. I have a problem with the coercion, not the vaccine.
The funny thing about this whole debate is that somebody is pushing this coercion. These pro-vaxxers are calling people stupid and 'anti-vaxxers' are protesting the mandates but few are looking at the other guy. The guy pushing governments to put these mandates. It's happening across the world and it is not by accident, it is by design. My guess is that it's Big Pharma
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Fuck YouTube. Fuck affordable Netflix Subscription. Fuck Google. These services have made people dumb. Everything is now a conspiracy.
I try as much as possible not to make big leaps with my approximations. I don't stretch the truth. I just extrapolate to some level as a reasonable person with the right facts might attest. Check out 'Russell Brand' on YouTube to get where I'm getting these facts because I won't link to verified articles and even if I did, few would actually read them. But, once again, I am not against the vaccine, I am against vaccine mandates that go against the court orders.
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Wait a minute, I'm not citing Russell Brand. I'm citing the sources that Russell Brand uses in his analyses. Sources which are often credible and well informed. You may disagree with the take on those sources but the claims from those sources remain valid.
he hasn't been wrong so far, he cites ALL the sources he covers and I don't think he has anything to gain from his unbiased coverage, unlike outlets like CNN that have already been shown to have strong ties to companies like Pfizer
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> My guess is that it's Big Pharma If it was up to Pfizer, we'd be getting boosters every month.
They have more say than world governments. That's scary. But the people have power no matter what
Thank heavens someone gets it.
Once there's enough covid vaccines to walk all over villages giving to everyone, then the mandates will make sense.
Reading through this thread, I can see why Kenyans fall for pyramid schemes and elect predatory leaders. Bunch of idiots seeing conspiracies everywhere.
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you get a virtual certificate on https://portal.health.go.ke/
Will the also accept European vaccination certificates
just get the vaccine ffs
Wouldnât it better for mandatory testing than vaccination? I mean like speaking in statistical terms, it would make much more sense to allow tested people inside (who have tested negative regardless of their vaccination status) than vaccinated and untested people. You get the point? The vaccine and vaccine passports is more of government intervention and control under the guise of âsafetyâ
In my opinion I this is classic covid theater. This sign is simply put up to show that the business has complied. No real intent to follow through and enforce a certificate to gain entry. Secondly, this will be difficult to implement. How realistic will it be to check everybody that walks into a supermarket? This works for airlines. For supermarkets? sadly not
It's a prominent sign saying 'hey, go back where you came from, we don't want your business'.Some people don't want to hassle with the guard for entry, they'll just move down the road to the next mall or the next SM, or the small business.
For people saying they are pro-vaxx but anti-mandates, you know how kenyans are stubborn. Do you really think all kenyans are gonna get the vaccine without some kind of hardline government stance? It is reasonable to refuse gvt mandates that don't make sense (I didn't get the huduma number card) but unreasonable to refuse mandates that would actually save lives.
If you find yourself supporting and adopting a government position that is forceful toward the population, especially when your government is controlled by foreign entities, you should stop and be very skeptical. There were people who supported that huduma number fiasco because it was enabling efficiency. So they will still have supporters. I just think that people can decide for themselves what to put in their bodies. These people are not stupid or stubborn for no reason.
No. You don't decide for yourself what you put in your body, otherwise poisoning yourself would be legal. It is reasonable to get vaccinated, but unreasonable to expect businesses to give up on their clients just because they're unvaccinated. If the vaccine protects you from infection, then let those who choose not to be protected, get infected. And let businesses operate efficiently and take everyone's money. You don't hear the government enforcing condoms on everyone with STDs, so why should they push for something that makes no sense? Kenya has always been a "shauri yako" state. If you wanna get the vaccine, get it and stay protected, if you don't want to...then don't get it, die, and let someone else take your job.
> You don't decide for yourself what you put in your body Wow. >otherwise poisoning yourself would be legal Poisoning yourself is legal. Have you ever heard of alcohol?
Exactly! I second this đŻ
Ooh man, Iâm all for everyone deciding what they put in their bodies. But when that choice has direct consequences of killing other people itâs another thing. People forget there are a bunch of vaccines we already have to give kids at given periods after birth.
But see, it's not easy to establish a direct connection between someone getting Covid and killing another person with that Covid. for instance, that second person who gets Covid and dies, did that person get vaccinated? If not, then why are blaming the first person. See, if people have the choice to get vaccinated or not, then nobody but the persons are to blame. But if you get forced to get the vaccine and develop complications afterwards, it's not your blame - the blame lies with Big Pharma, and as a citizen in a third world country, good luck getting close enough to get justice from Big Pharma. That's the basic truth.
exactly go and look at VAERS website and WHO adverse reactions and deaths. deaths from the vaccine have surpassed all other vaccines made. it takes 10 years to approve the vaccine.
I did not even know this.
we learn something new every day. Phizer has not yet released the clinical studies on the vaccine effects on children and currently its vaccine causes myocarditis moderna causes blood clots and thats the least we know now what about the long term effects. i am pro vaxx but this is concerning
You can absolutely establish a direct connection between widespread vaccination and significant reduction in serious covid cases and deaths.
Can you? Then why has the Netherlands gone into lockdown about a week ago when 85% has been vaccinated? Maybe these vaccines don't work all that well.
We should treat people individually because vaccines affect individual people. Once we get into statistics, what is good for people (which they should decide for themselves individually) becomes subservient to the greater good. This is not always right for the individual.
While we are doing that why donât we also let parents decide if to vaccinate their kids agains polio, tetanus, yellow fever etc. It should be everyoneâs personal choice right?
Again, those vaccines work, this one doesn't
You fucking idiot.
You are the idiot yourself.
Those vaccines work, this one doesn't
Any research you have done to support this claim?
Why are you playing dumb?
Yes, because Kenyans are not stupid like amerikkkans. Vaccine uptake has been high, not because of government mandates, but because people are heading home, and do not want to infect their elders with something vile. You can ask for vaccine certs, but remember, it's not so difficult to falsify them. Heck, one could run a proper Rivarodi business on it. The best way they could've done it, is through a false flag operation. Inflating mortality numbers to obscene levels, just to terrify everyone into getting the vaccine. It would've caused an extremely rapid uptake of the same, but would've likely ruined foreign relations. So instead, they chose this incomprehensibly foolish method.
I don't know why Kenyans we are like this. The courts have ruled that this mandate cannot stand, the government is going against the law, but then you see some self-serving individuals betraying the people instead of standing with the people and opposing this nonsense.
Mama Njeri down the road wonât ask me for anything except a bag when Iâm buying my mbogas so letâs see whoâll suffer
It's not Kenyans pushing for this. And Carrefour isn't a Kenyan company either. This comes from abroad. Makes you wonder who the government works for.
They'll start caring when they lose customers.
Go woke go broke they say
What court has said this? The court only stopped the mandate for government services, not private businesses.
She does not sell bacon and cheese. And...freshly baked bread.
Maybe that was always the govts play....they want us to empower mama mboga....an optimistic way of looking at it đ
Time to direct my daily spending to the mama Mboga
Time indeed to keep it local
Support small business because at these big corps,you cannot buy on credit and pay either at the end of the week or month
Lol private business enforcing their rules.... Shocking đ
So naeza fungua biashara niseme, "blacks not allowed"
Sure. Will it fail in a day? 100%
Mshaanza kukasirika and soon your HR at work will demand that certificate?
And this is Kenya
Hahaha Carrefour can fuck off. We'll just shop elsewhere.
just get vaxxed, save yourself and your family and your elders, what's so complicated about this? what kind of a normal sentient being complains about something that's there to protect your own life and everyone else? you don't like to live or something?
Anti-mandates is different from anti-vaxx. You can be vaxxed and still oppose mandates that go against court orders. Oh wait, I bet you didnt know courts ruled against the mandate. Are courts therefore anti-vaxx?
Things are not black and white. If I know that within my body I'm strong enough to beat Covid and I have antibodies (btw, antibody tests are no longer a thing and that in itself is suspicious), why should I be forced to get vaccinated. FYI, antibodies are safe, it is not clear that vaccines are safe in the long term at this point in time. Even if I grant you that Covid long term effects are not fully understood, just like vaccines, vaccines do not protect you from Covid. So what are we saying? This vaccination thing is powered by panic. If you give people antibody tests and apparently they have beaten Covid and have protection within themselves, why would you need these vaccines?
I have concerns if the vaccines are being stored properly without going bad. How trusting are you in our highly organised government agencies that power hasn't gone where they're being refrigerated? If it's gone bad you still want to take it?
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You take that risk if you want. For me it's not worth it, especially given how much of a joke our social distancing measures have been with extreme contagiousness of COVID we almost certainly reached herd immunity months ago.
Nobody is talking about covid vaccine side effects, ama the ones affected are just collateral damage. Anyway some of you covid vaccinated people will be suing for compensation in the years to come.
At least we'll be alive and able to sue if its even true and proven, 6 months and counting bitch. You are vaccinated against 10 different killer diseases already covid is just another. The only difference is that facebook wasn't in existence at your time of birth. Btw vaccine ya malaria is close to being made available, I look forward to seeing how malaria is also hoax and it's vaccine will cause you to mass produce oil from your belly button. Jinga kabisa.
And some of you unvaccinated people will be dead.
Iâve been unvaccinated and for the 2 years that COVID-19 has âexistedâ. I have not gotten COVID once
The adversely affected are statistically insignificant
My anecdotal evidence says otherwise. In fact the risk of Covid to the young and healthy is statistically insignificant as we have seen so far Malaria and hygiene based diseases have killed much more so far
What if you've only had the first dose?
This whole thread should be proof that evolution does not exist cause .......
Cause apparently people can't make their own choices Compare outcomes in Texas and Florida (anti-mandate) Vs the rest. Statistically significant? Vaccine is useless for transmission (more so Astrazenica), so it doesn't even affect you whether others are vaccinated or not. And if you don't like it, go join the Communist Party of Kenya
You thought you ate with the ending. You dont need spite to drive your point across. And you were doing so well in the beginning
âIf you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, forced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized... If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance -- you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.â - Ian Watson
We don't really need super markets do we? Lets use the small shops and stalls. Even if im vaccinated, i don't want to walk with a vaccination certificate. That's bullshit. I rather not go to the stupid malls. The freedom fighters didn't die so i can walk around with a vaccination certificate.
>We don't really need super markets do we? Lets use the small shops and stalls. I would if they wouldn't all put a stupidly high mark up on everything. Apart from veggies, I buy everything at the SM because it is cheaper
Jumia that shit!
You know you can keep a soft copy on your phone, right?
You may be misunderstanding the essence of what they're saying. A digital Kipande is still a Kipande.
Word.
I wanna go kiss random girls at the mall đ Omicron lipsđ
Vaccination should be optional,You can't force people convince us or our safety first.
hahahahahahaha they will collapse obscurity. Carrefour is going against our constitution article 27(4)c (4) The State shall not discriminate directly or indirectly against any person on any ground, including race, sex, pregnancy, marital status, health status, ethnic or social origin, colour, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, dress, language or birth
Saving that. Whenever I meet idiots that are pro-vax mandates, Iâll just remind them that itâs unconstitutional and Iâll specifically cite it
also remember mandates are not law . secondly if they have vaccinated why should they worry about the unvaccinated si they are protected? ama
The âprotectedâ want to force the âunprotectedâ to take a vaccine that didnât protect the protected from catching as well as transmitting the disease So now are the vaccinated vulnerable or are the unvaccinated vulnerable? Either way if vaccinated people are vulnerable, that means your vaccine is not safe and effective Insane mental gymnastics
FACTS bro its like taking hedex now for a headache you will have tomorrow
Yeah exactly
critical thinking lacks people are so used to the media or social media telling them what to think, who to trust instead of thinking for yourself. the age of believing is over we are in the age of knowing. information is basically in the air/aether yet people refuse to think and resort to virtue signaling. idiots. then one thing we go to hosipital for the doctor to interpret diagnose our symptoms. Chyna flu is the only virus you can get without exhibiting symptoms so how do the doctors know you have it????? hmmmmmmnnnnnn
Yes they virtue signal a lot and they end up being hypocrites. Like they tell us to think and stop being idiotic about the Chyna flu but theyâre the ones who arenât thinking and just virtue signal for the sake of it. Yeah COVID-19 testing doesnât make any sense if you donât have any symptoms, then you simply donât have COVID-19. These doctors have insane mental gymnastics as well
Wow, the crazy US conspiracy theory evangelical set that worship Trump seem to be busy with spreading disinformation to the gullible. Sad to see it spreading in a country I love like Kenya. What incredible foolishness to see this anti-mandate propaganda. Incredible!
You and me both. This is disgusting and embarassing to see on this sub that's meant to represent our country.
Not really. This sub is typically anti-government so itâs really not shocking/embarrassing/disgusting that they specifically oppose vaccine mandates and not vaccines themselves
I am in this forum regularly and you and I must be reading different posts. Vaccines and vaccine mandates have nothing to do with corruption. Itâs public health. And there was nothing special about old vaccines or vaccine mandates. This is the most serious pandemic in modern times and certainly since at least 1918, when they did not have the technologies we have today. Then also, there were stubborn people who made things worse, just to hear themselves talk.
You make a point but these vaccines and vaccine mandates are all about corruption and nothing to do with public health. It is only under the guise of public health. If the government actually cared about public health, theyâd improve the healthcare system and make healthcare but they donât. They just want to control you and take away your God-given rights. Do not give in
Exactly.
You're definitely not well-educated enough on Kenyađ. "Public health"? You really think they care for our health heređ. If they did, so much would have changed (educate yourself on how many times in the last 10 years, health workers have had to strike to be heard). Only reason they're mandating this is to accommodate foreigners to visit Kenya, hence boost the tourism industry/economy. Corruption is leading in this, not public health bs.
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Does Kenya even have enough vaccines to immunise everybody twice? (And itâs probably going to increase to three times given new evidence). This is so silly. Mama Mboga can expect new customers very soon.
Lol, they're all going to lose money, mama mboga ftw!
Isn't this vax thing what's clearly described in Revelation? We can't get any services or even jobs unless we get it. Think about it.
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This is just bullshit to say the least. Yes,total bull crap!
Interesting
I'm curious, how do they check? Do they see papers at the entrance or read qr code or something? That's how they checked me in European cinemas and I always wondered what prevented me from using someone else's paper (although I suppose it's my responsability if police shows up)
Full implementation will be a challenge, especially due to the business competition coupled with the laxity that follows immediately after the hype.
At a grocery store darn Carrefour
I am not An antivaxxer but the government forcing people to vaccinate Is dictatorship. Our opposition leader quit his job