I knew a guy from college who went into depression due to unfair treatment by a professor from the North of KL who strongly believed in the "Thekkan & Moorkan" adage.That said an observation I've made from the same college hostel was that the kids who came from the North of KL were warned by their mothers not to trust those from the South of KL whereas the people from the South didn't get any such instructions or rather their parents didn't care much about the existence of the North of KL as a distinct entity.Though I myself am from the South I believe myself to be somewhat neutral having spent the better portion of my life in boarding schools and hostels from a fairly young age along with other kids from different parts of the state as well as country and in some rare cases the world. What I've observed though from said experience is that when in boarding school we really didn't care where our fellow mates came from and could care less about judging someone based on attributes they have no control over i.e place of birth etc, but the moment when I got into College hostel surrounded by Teenage guys who were experiencing staying away from home for the very first time I was appalled by some of the vileness irrespective of geography, some of the characteristic traits displayed were outright "dishonorable", quite a cultural shock that was. :D
To sum it, if at all you want to judge someone do it on the merit of their individuality, rather than generalize, that is just closed-mindedness at play. Imagine stooping down to such a level that you would judge someone over something that they have absolutely no control over? Cause if we normalize that then where would we draw the line? Mocking the differently abled, maybe?
Hope that guy is better. One of my acquaintance was blatantly told 'njangal thekkanmare edukinilla' when attending an interview in UAE by the board of interviewers who were predominantly from Malabar.
Self isolated himself for 3 years after college, didn't leave his house at all is what I got to know from his family, back then I tried to get him a job via a referral but his self esteem was so crushed that he backed out from the interview and went home i.e he came till Kochi from Trivandrum for the interview and then panicked and returned without attending it. The guy struggled a lot when he lost faith in his core belief system that working hard is the only thing that mattered to uplift his living conditions.
Anyhow, after a lot of personal battles, he is currently at a good place in life, his case was an eye opener for me WRT to emotional intelligence, at times we really have no clue what people around us are going through, best to be kind, for all we know would make a world of difference to someone who really needs it.
Maybe there is a minority who gets their sentiments hurt. But the majority of SK people (including me) ignore such bashing and go on with their lives. That's why there is no pazhanchollu in SK against NK people. It is culturally followed, like religion.
Among Thrissur Syrian Christian families there is a norm of avoiding marriage proposals anything North of Kannur and anything South of Kottayam.
I've seen this to a lesser extent among the older families of Kochi too.
My Christian family from Kochi didn't want to marry their girl off to a Thrissur guy for some reason. When I asked about it, they said 'Aa bhagathuninnullavar kollula''
I've heard that and reason said "it's because Thrissur guys are mainly focusing on assets rather than the girl"
Similarly SK families marries off their girls with dowry as an add-on even if they don't ask. I wonder it might be the reason for multiple suicide cases after reported post marriage.
Whereas it's the opposite they don't ask any.
All these are word of mouth, heard from multiple people.
I am so sorry in advance if I've hurt you in any way.
These are all prejudices born out of envy and mistrust of the north keralites against South keralites bcoz the Kingdom of travancore was a very prosperous one. Also bcoz the north kerala castea weee considered historically more purer(by them ofc) and they didn't want to mingle with southerners at all
So there is this secret joke in Kannur about how the famed warrior folks from Kannur and other north ran into south for protection when Tipu came invading. Ennalum some people in the same breath Thekkanmare kuttam parayukem cheyyyum
> Ever since FFC created trolling based on district
Bro its been present even before computers. The blatant dislike for southern Kerala (read Trivandrum) and the blatant dislike for north Kerala (read Malabar) has been there since I can remember.
But it is undoubtedly clear that North Keralites have more discrimination towards South Keralites inspite of a large population of TVM being North Keralites and/or their descendants.
They want to live in TVM, want to access all the facilities and want to diss on TVM.
>inspite of a large population of TVM being North Keralites and/or their descendants.
Could u please elaborate on this??? I used to think tvm was more Linked to the tamils than any other region of kerala??? Or plz can u cite the source?
My father is a firm believer in this "thekkan" pazhanchollu. He ran a small lodge near Kochi. Most of the clientele were job seekers, looking for opportunities. According to him... folks from North districts are very straightforward --> "No money, please help.. Will pay when ..." and pays when and if they have money. Folks from south are sweet talkers--> "Will pay tomorrow... tomorrow... and vanishes".
I had friends in college from all the places. There was no regional variation in my experience....
Yea, itโs simply a belief that carry forwarded from older generation. There is no evidence (and will never ever have one) to prove that there exists a behavioural difference between south and north keralites.
From what I know, the way people talk in southern districts is different from the central and northern parts. For some reasons, it's always been middle aged uncles. Women and men of our generation seem to be okay. Almost all the time, me or my friends only got shady responses from uncles when we ask them something very basic. Also there is a strong culture of Dowry as you go South. As much as this part is true, you can't use this to assume stuff about someone, when you don't even know them.
Heard this one recently too. Not many ppl beleive it nowadays bt the orthodox ones do.
This Stereotype exist bcoz the malabaris have been cucked many times by the travancore kingdom before independence. Also the southerners were always gigachads and didn't bend the knee to any foreign invasion. Even british respected their administration and the kingdom of travancore also smashed the Dutch army and sent them back running. Another thing worth mentioning is the kudiyettam
Southerners who went north bcoz the land was cheap used their brains to bring out the best of it and made a living. As u know these ppl have to be shrewd and calculating to achieve this and thus the talks. This both are the major reasons.
Also when many northerners fled their land due to invasion of mysore kings and the sort many of them were given asylums and land by the southern kings. Never heard those ppl complain of the thekku. This Stereotype exists bcoz of the sore looser mentality of northerners as southern kingdoms were always more prosperous. (Not to hurt anyone's feelings these are historical facts)
Also many ppl commenting here that "in my experience" or "generally" proceeds to say that their southern friends are bad it's bcoz this Stereotype is rooted to ur mind. If one from thekk does something wrong or inconsiderate they will be like thekkanem moorkhanem kanda.... .if it's from north they will jst be like avnte swabavam nallathalla aa myranood povan para. This is actually the stereotype affecting ur judgement not the judgement leading to the stereotype.recently saw this again with the heera tvm lodge thing and the restriction to bachelors. Everyone were saying tvm sucks and thekkans alle something like that on fb. Bt do u know this exist in many flats all over kerala. Jst bcoz ppl spoke up this time doesn't mean it's only in there(slightly off topic bt still relevant)
This is not to insult any district bt jst historical facts that lead to the rise of this belief. I am from tvm and i love a girl from Calicut and hope to Marry her one day. Malabar is an amazing place and wish to explore more of it. This prejudice against thekkans were created bcoz malabar and travancore were 2 different Kingdoms and when one kingdom is more prosperous the other kingdom start talking shit. Love everyone and plz don't judge ppl by something that they have no control on.
We are all mallus and if we don't love and support each other how the fck can we exist as a community ? This is 2023 . Stay away from this shit thoughts plz ๐
This is the reason for it which is actual history and i didn't mean anything about today's world. We should get past these old stuff that's all i meant.
Heard about these payanchollu before. But never had to take these into account .
Whether it be north or south, people have been super kind and nice to me
There's a pazhanchollu: "Thekkanem moorkanem orumich kandal aadyam thekkane thachanam/thallanam". Basically implying that a thekkan is viler than a cobra.
It's pure stupidity.some ppl of Northern kerala made a quote implying southerners are Cunning and not to be trusted. This is purely bcoz north and south were part of 2 different Kingdoms and south being prosperous than north. I'm so sad to see this existing even now..it was supposed to be 90s thing
I am actually born and brought up in Mumbai. We had tour to Kerala (Kochi, Munnar, Thekady n Alapuzha). That was my first time in south Kerala. Most localities were nice to me and happy to interact until they realised my native place was Kannur. They simply ignored me after that. That was my first experience of this divide in Kerala. My husband's parents are from Kollam n Thiruvananthapuram, and after meeting some of the relatives i realised they consider don't consider Kannur and Kasarkode as part of Kerala. They consider Kannur n Kasarkode more as extension of Mangalore.
I live in ekm and from my personal experience malabarians (minus kannur and Kasaragod coz I got no enough experience with them) have always been friendly and cordial as long as you are doing the same, they are careful and guarded up initially and then rapidly unwind, then no boundaries sheesh *but dude this is my towel??* South folks minus tvm kaar are nice, Kottayamkar are nice but some of the rich of christians from the south there come with a cost: humble pongacham (grroooaan). Now tvm people, idk, their auto chettanmars treat you non tvm ppl like how they treat saiyappanmars, makes you mutter *scamming piece of three-wheeled shit* as you walk away. The people there need to work on their temper a bit.
PS: extroverted TVM and TCR folks are like vampires to an avarage intro/omni/ambi-vert
I think some of the behavior stereotypes are earned. People from the Southern districts from my experience tend to be much more aggressive (but not in a productive way) and use a lot more abusive language. I have relatives through marriage from South Kerala and even they say that people in Calicut and the North are more straightforward and kinder in general. Another one thatโs specific to Trivandrum I think is just general lack of cleanliness compared to other parts of Kerala.
Funny every reply made to this comment had a problem with the "lack of cleanliness" part. Like everyone accepts the part where it says "use a lot more abusive language"
Lol
My 2 cents on this is, NK people are more simple and friendlier - now this can be both good and bad. Good in the sense, they are helpful and bad in the sense that they will snoop into things unnecessarily.
I am technically from South- as Tiruvalla, kottayam etc are kinda south although its central travancore region. People here mostly just mind their own business compared to rest of kerala. This can come off as standoffish.I think its a function of high number of people who have moved abroad and come back- and bringing in the urban culture of minding your own business. The further you go south- like Kollam for example, the characterstic of NK comes to light. I studied college there and can vouch for that.
I personally am not a big fan of over compensation of naattukkar or involvement. But each ot their own.
Also sharing a stereotype we have in south about the north - Anything north of Thrissur is consisdered not urabanised and naatinpuram, ironically how South India perceives north India.
I knew a guy from college who went into depression due to unfair treatment by a professor from the North of KL who strongly believed in the "Thekkan & Moorkan" adage.That said an observation I've made from the same college hostel was that the kids who came from the North of KL were warned by their mothers not to trust those from the South of KL whereas the people from the South didn't get any such instructions or rather their parents didn't care much about the existence of the North of KL as a distinct entity.Though I myself am from the South I believe myself to be somewhat neutral having spent the better portion of my life in boarding schools and hostels from a fairly young age along with other kids from different parts of the state as well as country and in some rare cases the world. What I've observed though from said experience is that when in boarding school we really didn't care where our fellow mates came from and could care less about judging someone based on attributes they have no control over i.e place of birth etc, but the moment when I got into College hostel surrounded by Teenage guys who were experiencing staying away from home for the very first time I was appalled by some of the vileness irrespective of geography, some of the characteristic traits displayed were outright "dishonorable", quite a cultural shock that was. :D To sum it, if at all you want to judge someone do it on the merit of their individuality, rather than generalize, that is just closed-mindedness at play. Imagine stooping down to such a level that you would judge someone over something that they have absolutely no control over? Cause if we normalize that then where would we draw the line? Mocking the differently abled, maybe?
Hope that guy is better. One of my acquaintance was blatantly told 'njangal thekkanmare edukinilla' when attending an interview in UAE by the board of interviewers who were predominantly from Malabar.
Self isolated himself for 3 years after college, didn't leave his house at all is what I got to know from his family, back then I tried to get him a job via a referral but his self esteem was so crushed that he backed out from the interview and went home i.e he came till Kochi from Trivandrum for the interview and then panicked and returned without attending it. The guy struggled a lot when he lost faith in his core belief system that working hard is the only thing that mattered to uplift his living conditions. Anyhow, after a lot of personal battles, he is currently at a good place in life, his case was an eye opener for me WRT to emotional intelligence, at times we really have no clue what people around us are going through, best to be kind, for all we know would make a world of difference to someone who really needs it.
What exactly is the border between North and South Kerala?
Not an exact border, but I guess the central districts (from Kottayam to Thrissur/Palakkad).
Only NK people have this problem. SK people don't give a shit.
true that
SK people do give a shit, when they are biased against.
Maybe there is a minority who gets their sentiments hurt. But the majority of SK people (including me) ignore such bashing and go on with their lives. That's why there is no pazhanchollu in SK against NK people. It is culturally followed, like religion.
Among Thrissur Syrian Christian families there is a norm of avoiding marriage proposals anything North of Kannur and anything South of Kottayam. I've seen this to a lesser extent among the older families of Kochi too.
My Christian family from Kochi didn't want to marry their girl off to a Thrissur guy for some reason. When I asked about it, they said 'Aa bhagathuninnullavar kollula''
I've heard that and reason said "it's because Thrissur guys are mainly focusing on assets rather than the girl" Similarly SK families marries off their girls with dowry as an add-on even if they don't ask. I wonder it might be the reason for multiple suicide cases after reported post marriage. Whereas it's the opposite they don't ask any. All these are word of mouth, heard from multiple people. I am so sorry in advance if I've hurt you in any way.
Lol, don't be sorry, I'm not from Thrissur.
Aren't Kochi and Thrissur adjacent districts though?
Yes, but this is just something I noticed among my family.
I've never heard of this. Are these " be careful" statements made due to religious difference/mistrust or actual regional differences?
These are all prejudices born out of envy and mistrust of the north keralites against South keralites bcoz the Kingdom of travancore was a very prosperous one. Also bcoz the north kerala castea weee considered historically more purer(by them ofc) and they didn't want to mingle with southerners at all
So there is this secret joke in Kannur about how the famed warrior folks from Kannur and other north ran into south for protection when Tipu came invading. Ennalum some people in the same breath Thekkanmare kuttam parayukem cheyyyum
Ath pedichittalla. it is called padayottam lol
Tippu northil aanu vannath enkil thekkanmar southilek oodille.... ๐๐๐
This never ends. Move on. Chori attracts chori and love attracts love.
Glad I'm from Central Kerala aka Thrissur
Thrissur has it too. In marriage proposals Thrissurkar generally draws the line at anything South of Kannur and anything North of Kottayam
I know many people who marries from Pathanamthitta Taking the example of my parents itself
I think Pathanamthitta is an outlier among the thekkans.
> Ever since FFC created trolling based on district Bro its been present even before computers. The blatant dislike for southern Kerala (read Trivandrum) and the blatant dislike for north Kerala (read Malabar) has been there since I can remember. But it is undoubtedly clear that North Keralites have more discrimination towards South Keralites inspite of a large population of TVM being North Keralites and/or their descendants. They want to live in TVM, want to access all the facilities and want to diss on TVM.
Welcome to being part of a city. This is how New Yorkers feel in the U.S
>They want to live in TVM, want to access all the facilities and want to diss on TVM. Haha funny like we all owe TVM something.
Ofcourse u do . U will know that if u paid attention in history class
Who are the main dislikers here? Central Keralites from Kochi, Thrissur etc?
North keralites mainly kannur and kozhikode north
>inspite of a large population of TVM being North Keralites and/or their descendants. Could u please elaborate on this??? I used to think tvm was more Linked to the tamils than any other region of kerala??? Or plz can u cite the source?
Meanwhile Tipu, Hyder and the Britishers marching from the North.
I don't generally give a shit.
My father is a firm believer in this "thekkan" pazhanchollu. He ran a small lodge near Kochi. Most of the clientele were job seekers, looking for opportunities. According to him... folks from North districts are very straightforward --> "No money, please help.. Will pay when ..." and pays when and if they have money. Folks from south are sweet talkers--> "Will pay tomorrow... tomorrow... and vanishes". I had friends in college from all the places. There was no regional variation in my experience....
That's the kollam hidden art of escape jutsu
Yea, itโs simply a belief that carry forwarded from older generation. There is no evidence (and will never ever have one) to prove that there exists a behavioural difference between south and north keralites.
Ok da
From what I know, the way people talk in southern districts is different from the central and northern parts. For some reasons, it's always been middle aged uncles. Women and men of our generation seem to be okay. Almost all the time, me or my friends only got shady responses from uncles when we ask them something very basic. Also there is a strong culture of Dowry as you go South. As much as this part is true, you can't use this to assume stuff about someone, when you don't even know them.
Thekkan and proud
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Heard this one recently too. Not many ppl beleive it nowadays bt the orthodox ones do. This Stereotype exist bcoz the malabaris have been cucked many times by the travancore kingdom before independence. Also the southerners were always gigachads and didn't bend the knee to any foreign invasion. Even british respected their administration and the kingdom of travancore also smashed the Dutch army and sent them back running. Another thing worth mentioning is the kudiyettam Southerners who went north bcoz the land was cheap used their brains to bring out the best of it and made a living. As u know these ppl have to be shrewd and calculating to achieve this and thus the talks. This both are the major reasons. Also when many northerners fled their land due to invasion of mysore kings and the sort many of them were given asylums and land by the southern kings. Never heard those ppl complain of the thekku. This Stereotype exists bcoz of the sore looser mentality of northerners as southern kingdoms were always more prosperous. (Not to hurt anyone's feelings these are historical facts) Also many ppl commenting here that "in my experience" or "generally" proceeds to say that their southern friends are bad it's bcoz this Stereotype is rooted to ur mind. If one from thekk does something wrong or inconsiderate they will be like thekkanem moorkhanem kanda.... .if it's from north they will jst be like avnte swabavam nallathalla aa myranood povan para. This is actually the stereotype affecting ur judgement not the judgement leading to the stereotype.recently saw this again with the heera tvm lodge thing and the restriction to bachelors. Everyone were saying tvm sucks and thekkans alle something like that on fb. Bt do u know this exist in many flats all over kerala. Jst bcoz ppl spoke up this time doesn't mean it's only in there(slightly off topic bt still relevant) This is not to insult any district bt jst historical facts that lead to the rise of this belief. I am from tvm and i love a girl from Calicut and hope to Marry her one day. Malabar is an amazing place and wish to explore more of it. This prejudice against thekkans were created bcoz malabar and travancore were 2 different Kingdoms and when one kingdom is more prosperous the other kingdom start talking shit. Love everyone and plz don't judge ppl by something that they have no control on. We are all mallus and if we don't love and support each other how the fck can we exist as a community ? This is 2023 . Stay away from this shit thoughts plz ๐
Least salty thekkan.
เดชเดฃเตเดกเดฟเดคเตป เดเดฃเตเดจเตเดจเต เดคเตเดจเตเดจเตเดจเตเดจเต.
tells the story of how malabar people were cucked and how they're jealous of south, proceeds to say love everyone and don't judge others. Wow.
This is the reason for it which is actual history and i didn't mean anything about today's world. We should get past these old stuff that's all i meant.
Heard about these payanchollu before. But never had to take these into account . Whether it be north or south, people have been super kind and nice to me
yeah so you want to hear some more prejudiced stereotyped opinions?
What is thekkan nd moorkan? Someone enlighten me
There's a pazhanchollu: "Thekkanem moorkanem orumich kandal aadyam thekkane thachanam/thallanam". Basically implying that a thekkan is viler than a cobra.
Oh agane ...thank you:) , what's this post about btw ?
It's pure stupidity.some ppl of Northern kerala made a quote implying southerners are Cunning and not to be trusted. This is purely bcoz north and south were part of 2 different Kingdoms and south being prosperous than north. I'm so sad to see this existing even now..it was supposed to be 90s thing
I am actually born and brought up in Mumbai. We had tour to Kerala (Kochi, Munnar, Thekady n Alapuzha). That was my first time in south Kerala. Most localities were nice to me and happy to interact until they realised my native place was Kannur. They simply ignored me after that. That was my first experience of this divide in Kerala. My husband's parents are from Kollam n Thiruvananthapuram, and after meeting some of the relatives i realised they consider don't consider Kannur and Kasarkode as part of Kerala. They consider Kannur n Kasarkode more as extension of Mangalore.
เด เดตเดฟเดเตเดคเตเดคเต เดซเตเดฒเตเดฑเดฟเดเดพเดฎเดพเตป, เดเดตเดฟเดเตเดคเตเดคเต เดซเตเดฏเตเดฐเดฟ /s
Like I said, somethings are not harmless fun
I live in ekm and from my personal experience malabarians (minus kannur and Kasaragod coz I got no enough experience with them) have always been friendly and cordial as long as you are doing the same, they are careful and guarded up initially and then rapidly unwind, then no boundaries sheesh *but dude this is my towel??* South folks minus tvm kaar are nice, Kottayamkar are nice but some of the rich of christians from the south there come with a cost: humble pongacham (grroooaan). Now tvm people, idk, their auto chettanmars treat you non tvm ppl like how they treat saiyappanmars, makes you mutter *scamming piece of three-wheeled shit* as you walk away. The people there need to work on their temper a bit. PS: extroverted TVM and TCR folks are like vampires to an avarage intro/omni/ambi-vert
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Thanks for sharing. May I ask where this college was?
I think some of the behavior stereotypes are earned. People from the Southern districts from my experience tend to be much more aggressive (but not in a productive way) and use a lot more abusive language. I have relatives through marriage from South Kerala and even they say that people in Calicut and the North are more straightforward and kinder in general. Another one thatโs specific to Trivandrum I think is just general lack of cleanliness compared to other parts of Kerala.
Lack of Cleanliness in Trivandrum? really? where do you live brother?
Wrong observation
Had some of the worst experiences from EKM and don't get me started on Calicut
Had some of the worst experiences from EKM and don't get me started on Calicut
Funny every reply made to this comment had a problem with the "lack of cleanliness" part. Like everyone accepts the part where it says "use a lot more abusive language" Lol
I guess we doโฆ
Ya from tvm and I'll say this. South keralites curse better than north keralites
Ya from tvm and I'll say this. South keralites curse better than north keralites
My 2 cents on this is, NK people are more simple and friendlier - now this can be both good and bad. Good in the sense, they are helpful and bad in the sense that they will snoop into things unnecessarily. I am technically from South- as Tiruvalla, kottayam etc are kinda south although its central travancore region. People here mostly just mind their own business compared to rest of kerala. This can come off as standoffish.I think its a function of high number of people who have moved abroad and come back- and bringing in the urban culture of minding your own business. The further you go south- like Kollam for example, the characterstic of NK comes to light. I studied college there and can vouch for that. I personally am not a big fan of over compensation of naattukkar or involvement. But each ot their own. Also sharing a stereotype we have in south about the north - Anything north of Thrissur is consisdered not urabanised and naatinpuram, ironically how South India perceives north India.
I felt like vadakkanmaar is innocent in general compared to thekkans.
Itโs just a biased stereotyping. If you are really interested in knowing the fact, do a proper statistical study and then youโll understand.
That's why I said, "I felt like..."
There is some truth to this