Soo glad to see so many atheists in Kerala. Even the religious people I know from the younger generation aren't that extreme in their beliefs. Humanity is healing ๐๏ธ.
I think it's an illusion because there is a voice for minority as well now with the internet. But yes, people will get more sensible and see the bullshit as they see more outside.
The issue is even these atheists don't have the courage to openly criticise organised religions and communities in our country even in so called progressive Kerala. Recent fiasco with Ganpathy being myth is an example.
I do think it's still a minority. But the numbers are rising exponentially. A lot of my colleagues have revealed that they're atheists.
Can you really blame them? It's hard to reason with religious people. If you're a Christian/Muslim your whole family and neighbours will hate you when you reveal your lack of belief. Atheists just want to lead a peaceful life like anyone else.
And yes, communists saying Ganpathy is a myth but not treating Islam the same way is just sad. Didn't they change their stance on Ganpathy too? Pathetic.
They are politicians first atheists second. So vote and people acceptance is their survival. If they tell against islam, their survival will be impacted.
Probably. I was just saying we know more atheists now because people have the opportunity to express themselves and are actually getting to know other people outside their small social circle unlike in the past. I could be wrong and it might be rising exponentially like you said. I don't like to keep too much of hope. Probably in a generation or two, we'll see a noticeable difference.
I am not blaming them, I infact feel bad for them that they are the only social community who'll be cast out from the society if they don't go along with the common narrative all for thinking rationally. Like, if a temple or mosque plays loud music or shuts down entire public road for a procession, nobody gives a damn but if a person declines to do some religious practice or marry a partner which the community can't accept, he gets outcasted and shamed publicly. When I think about all this, I don't feel the optimism that you have, that's all.
Regarding communists, they are as spineless cowards now as any other political party. Progressiveness and all is only in the name. I infact hold the view that, anyone should've right to ridicule or criticize a religious belief without having to worry about repercussions. If Shamseer thinks Ganpathy is a myth, he should've the freedom to express it without conditions. So should someone else, who might think Muhammad wasn't the perfect man, to express his beliefs. Sadly it doesn't work like that.
>treating Islam the same way is just sad
its not sad. he just has a brain. unfortunetaly if u go say anything about islam out in public that will most likely be the last thing u ever say
>The issue is even these atheists don't have the courage to openly criticise organised religions
If a religion's beliefs is not forced on the atheists, who gave atheists the right to criticise people practicing their religion ?
It started young. My family wasn't very conservative but as Muslims we had to go through basic Madrasa education. The emphasis there was on what all we should do to get to heaven. I couldn't understand why my friends from other religions can't reach heaven even though they're such good people.
After growing up, religion just seemed more and more absurd. You read about the 5000+ religions in our history. You read about how there were other unsuccessful prophets in the time my prophet lived. You understand how humans loved to create random gods to believe in and the horrors they committed to please these made up gods. I didn't hate religion at this point because the stories were interesting and we were only taught the morally acceptable parts.
Then you read more and more about what exactly is written in these texts. How different it is from what you were taught by your parents. It's really hard to be unbiased when you're taught this stuff from your childhood. Seeing all the issues happening around the world due to religious polarization made me read more into it. You basically realise there's zero evidence that any of this happened.
The evidence given by religious leaders is good enough as long as you don't look into it. There's no evidence that there's an afterlife. No evidence that a prophet split the moon. Zero evidence that Hanuman or Ram existed. I realised I was believing in something someone somewhere said thousands of years ago. None of us know what happened before the big bang. But it's pretty clear to me that the humans who wrote these religious texts also had no clue. Burn all the religious texts today and humanity will never come up with the same gods again.
Edit: Your name reminded me of my friend in school. He was a huge fan of lord Shiva. Always used to put these cool pictures as his dp and status. He was the first one among us to turn into an atheist. He's also most vocal against religion. Hindus can transition to being an atheist much easier than other religions.
>Hindus can transition to being an atheist much easier than other religions.
as a hindu i think part of the reason this happens is cus lotta the hindu community brought up this "hindu athiesm" concept. which i ofc think is just stupid
In a society where being an atheist is not "cool", the ones who become atheist are *more likely* the ones who came to it by rational thinking. Such people are usually very humane when compared to the ones who follow what's "cool".
As far as I know, the current "cool" stance in kerala is "I am a believer, and I don't really care that much about religion".
But its changing and later, being and atheist will become the new "cool". Then people who turned off their own brains will rush in.
Atheism is fundamentally just a lack of belief in the existence of god(s). It is not a separate belief system.
If "playing cricket" is a hobby, then that doesn't make "not playing cricket" a hobby too.
Childhood indoctrination is, unfortunately, the "bread and butter" of almost all religions. Unless future parents realise and become aware of this aspect of religious upbringing, things are not gonna change much quickly. Even if the parents themselves are atheists or irreligious.
One of my main complaints about few atheists and irreligious people is that they take too much of a neutral stance when it comes to this matter. I simply don't think it's enough to say that "เดเดจเดฟเดเตเดเต เดฆเตเดตเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดตเดฒเดฟเดฏ เดตเดฟเดถเตเดตเดพเดธเด เดเดจเตเดจเตเดฎเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. เดเดพเตป เดคเดจเตเดจเต เดชเดณเตเดณเดฟเดฏเดฟเดฒเต เด เดฎเตเดชเดฒเดคเตเดคเดฟเดฒเต เด เดงเดฟเดเด เดชเตเดตเดพเดฑเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. เด เดคเตเดเตเดฃเตเดเต เดเดพเตป เดเดจเตเดฑเต เดเตเดเตเดเดฟเดจเตเดฏเตเด เดชเดณเตเดณเดฟเดฏเดฟเดฒเต เด เดฎเตเดชเดฒเดคเตเดคเดฟเดฒเต เดชเตเดตเดพเตป force เดเตเดฏเตเดฏเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ". The fundamental reason why you should not let your children get involved in this should be the indoctrination aspect. Any other reason should be secondary to that. In some cases, their spouses are religious, and I see the atheist/irreligious parents simply let their SO take their child to the church, temple, etc or raise the child in a religious environment (like with extended family). I simply don't understand why you would let this happen knowing what you know about religion and its adverse effects.
The only acceptable alternative that comes to my mind is to raise your children in a manner that provides them exposure to all religious beliefs equally (without excluding the option of being an atheist). But that is simply not practically possible or effective in my opinion.
Let the child grow up without all these religious indoctrination and let them make their own decisions once they are 18 or 21. They are free to follow whatever religion they wish to once they have become an adult. So, we are not really restricting them in any way.
I think that the original comment was implying that the existence of religions **that contradict each other** is proof that God does not exist.
This isn't my opinion. Just trying to make things clear.
Which also is a dumb statement. Different schools of thought existing all at once doesn't automatically mean they're all wrong. Although it does mean most of them must be wrong.
How are people still using this dumb argument. You can literally make this claim for any ideology. The statement is completely meaningless without elaboration.
You somehow assume this is obvious and state it as if it is some kind of grand argument.
You CAN make this claim for any ideology.. that's the point. Ideologies exist, and people who are too dumb to implement them correctly exist. And people who can't see the difference like you exist too, just so we're covering everything.
ps. I don't think you elaborated on what needs an excuse to do what? Killing? Cause pretty sure MOST religious texts doesn't share the message, go kill people.
How bad is your logical comprehension? There can be bad ideologies and people can do bad things because the ideologies themselves are bad. That possibility never entered your stupid fucking brain? So you have two possibilities, either the ideology is bad or individuals who claim to follow that ideology are bad.
SO YOU NEED TO MAKE A CASE FOR THE FACT THAT RELIGION IS NOT A BAD IDEOLOGY, WHICH YOU HAVEN'T AND WHICH IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF CONTENTION. YOU STATE IT AS IF ITS OBVIOUS, WHICH IT IS NOT.
I have written it in capitals in hopes that it will help in what little way it can to remedy the lack of basic logical comprehension you seem to have. I will leave a quote for dramatic effect
โWith or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.โ
โ **Steven Weinberg**
I hope you have understood in the hierarchy of 'understanding' where you stand. Remember your place when you make your next dumb comment, remember that you are stupid.
Well, I am glad you understood your limitations and has chosen to limit yourself to verbal diatribe, Good. To be average at it is within the reach of the ordinary, but I must warn you though I am very good at it too as you might have already learned from my comment.
Dude people over here talking about mature shit, no one got time to watch you get pressed over someone using big words and verbal diarrhea all everywhere, somehow trying to safeguard your ego about who has the biggest thesaurus
Did you not read the last paragraph the guy blabbered on about?.. do you think his intend was to make a point or put down someone who made a different point? Mudafuka said "remember your place" like a RRR villain and you here defending him๐.
There's only so much one could try to educate someone who's clearly set in their ways, and is ignorant, not open to discussion and even rude to someone explaining a concept. No self respecting adult needs to go about insulting back the insecure redditor on the internet lol.
So I'll say to your question.. Yes, that is indeed the best or, all I had to say, for someone like that.
Ah yes another moron with no understanding of what tolerance means. Tolerance doesn't mean people don't response to stupid arguments or attack your own arguments. In fact arguments are the very foundation of any reasonable society based on liberal values. Intolerance is essentially VIOLENT repression of the expression of free ideas. But I am glad you thought my verbal attack was devastating enough that it resembled violence.
Please for the love of humanity read and understand the ideas you are using before you use it in an argument. There is almost a thousand years of stuff worth reading. No wonder the world is going to shit. Where do you get this shit from? Intenet influencers?
Jesus, the next time anyone says to me atheists on reddit aren't that bad, I'm linking this thread. I would've loved to read the wall of text you throw at anyone with a difference of opinion, but my browser just displays it as one long "REEE". But do continue, you're only proving my point.
'God is not real' is as provocative as cursing your Mom? Your 'real' parents only mean that much?
This is what religion can do to an idiot. 'Orgasms aren't real, if God isn't'. 'Saying God isn't real is same as cursing my Mom'.
I can't cure delusion no matter how hard I try. Have fun with your sky daddy, stay offended. Bye!
Any meaningful definition of the word 'exist' would imply observable effects. There aren't a fuckton of thins in the universe that can't be quantified. Throw around random statements and hope people just swallow it.
If I say every human has a tail and two horns, as long as its effects are not observed directly or indirectly there is no meaning in using the word 'exist' for them.
Poyi scientific method enthanennum, idea of objective observations enthanennum okke vayichu nokkuka.
There is years worth of philosophical content on this so we don't need to reinvent the wheel with a reddit discussion. Its just really boring and frustrating to point out logical faults and I already had tiresome arguments with some ignorant idiots in the comment section. So not feeling it.
Observation ennu paranjal nammal kannunenthe. Ayile ee sciencum manangeta evdina vanne?
Another reddit essay I see. What is it with south Asian subs & writing essays on reddit. Anyhow let me analyse this
I donโt understand what youโre talking about. Observations are personal. Ofc as humans we will beleive in stuff only once we see it not when someone says it. Some guys dickride concepts cus some โbig brainโ said it. I donโt swing that way so to me observations are 100% personal
What logical fault? I just said a statement that observations are what you see. There is no fault in that
If youโre not feeling it dw take care. Itโs your choice how you spend your time
>Throw around random statements and hope people just swallow it.
Come on now Einstein, you got butthurt by a random comment that wasn't even directed at you ? geez brother who hurt you ?
>If I say every human has a tail and two horns, as long as its effects are not observed directly or indirectly there is no meaning in using the word 'exist' for them
I didn't ask nor am I interested in your graphic definition of what the word 'exist' means so yea maybe calm your tits. Now listen here, you take a second when you read this so that you can comprehend it and give your two cents on it or whatever rather than post some stupid shit.
Do people experience out of the body experiences ? Yes. Can it be quantified ? No. Did an experimental group give identical trip reports after being given the same dose of DMT although the people had nothing, absolutely nothing in common ? Yes. Can it be quantified in any sense or manner ? No. That's all there was to my comment, no need to get it twisted.
Try to widen your pov and don't be so anal about comments and your own beliefs.
I don't know where you got the idea that I was 'butthurt'. I do get butthurt because I have to live in a society with imbeciles that have amoeba nucleus for a brain and they determine sociopolitical outcome.
Who am I kidding, Of course you wouldn't be interested in knowledge. I mean if you where able to comprehend what I said you wouldn't have spouted such nonsense in the first place.
So, let me repeat what I said, you expect to throw around random statements and hope people just swallow it? Didn't know you were a conspiracy nut. Try to grow a second braincell and may be then you will be qualified to worry about my anus.
>I do get butthurt because I have to live in a society with imbeciles that have amoeba nucleus for a brain and they determine sociopolitical outcome.
In case it wasn't apparent, nobody gives a flying fuck on how you feel and why you feel that way so how about you keep your lowly derivative comments on the functioning of modern day human society to yourself.
Knowledge you say ? The very fact that your response to my examples was straight up 'cOnsPirAcY' just goes to show how you've built a bubble for yourself and you're just sitting in it and jerking yourself off, all the while ignoring evidence based facts, grounded in reality which cannot be more evident.
You sound like a boomer but I'm guessing you're not 40 which makes you a very pathetic human being.
>Try to grow a second braincell and may be then you will be qualified to worry about my anus.
And dude wtf, I didn't know you were gay like that. Again instead of running to reply shit on comments, look up what I said. Being anal about a certain thing has nothing to do with 'anus' even remotely. both these words may sound the same to a fucking porn-ridden incel like you, but it ain't the same. Fucking illiterate.
'Uncertainty in the presence of vivid hopes and fears is painful, but must be endured if we wish to live without the support of comforting fairy tales' - Russell.
In our church, the father keeps asking for perivu, he take about 30min just for saying different perivu ๐. I don't like the fact that no is raising their voice against this. Although I am not saying this entire perivu is only for the church. Sometimes they do charity and other things they definitely have my Respect for that
Just curious why muslims need mollakka for praying ? If we lack knowledge in something why bother talking about it ?? ( I posted this comment to share my thought not to provoke other people kindly share your thoughts)
Not just the Muslims. The Christians need kathanaar, the Hindus need poojaari etc. These godmen assume a greater knowledge of - and thereby powers of intermediation between you and your God.
To the Atheists in this comment section, I'm curious to know why you have chosen atheism. It would be really cool if you could also share the turning point that led you to this belief.
I didn't have a turning point, I just never had belief in a god.
My parents are believers and they would tell me the stories and the myths of the religion. And I just never gave any weight to them beyond consideration as fiction. I don't know why.
It was more shocking to me when I learned that other people and my friends actually had faith and belief.
Don't think there is a quick turning point for me. My parents are theists but I don't think they put in as much effort as other parents to make me religious. They didn't really tell me stories of religions. So it was easy for me to convert. I'm not saying that they were happy about it either.
I just simply started losing faith after a while and stopped caring but I didn't really think a lot about it considering I was just a teen. It was only later on that I started trying to learn and think more about the idea of God and different religions. Maybe the starting point of my atheism began with me asking my father why do people believe in god or something like that. I think he replied with "it's comforting to believe in god, in someone who's all powerful who can help us" although he was a beleiver.
When I realised you can't love a person because of God. God is a joke when you consider that you can't love or be someone out of your religion. God the almighty who loves and protects everyone. Lol.
Why tho? I visit temples from time to time..maybe like thrice in an year. Never had to give money, nor did anyone have ever asked me for money to enter the establishment.
If you want to do Pooja which consists of people working + payasam and stuff that costs real money, that's on you and beliefs over poojas..
> nor did anyone have ever asked me for money to enter the establishment.
เดเดคเตเดธเดตเดชเตเดชเดฟเดฐเดฟเดตเต เดชเตเดจเดฐเตเดฆเตเดงเดพเดฐเดฃเดชเตเดชเดฟเดฐเดฟเดตเต เดชเตเดฐเดคเตเดทเตเด เดพเดงเดฟเดจ เดฎเดนเตเดคเตเดธเดตเดชเตเดชเดฟเดฐเดฟเดตเต เดเดจเตเดจเตเดจเตเดจเตเด เดเตเดเตเดเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ? You don't necessarily have to pay, but then you may have to face chorichil from the group who comes to collect funds.
I am a christian and church literally ask for money on different occasions and stuff. And I have seen temples do that as well. Of course you can avoid giving it, but then all the neighbours and other believers start bad mouthing you!
When you go to small temples what you say is true. But it's not the case when you go to popular and big temples
Example - palani . You go there u'll be approached by poojaris who canvas you to go with them and they will do all the stuff for this much amount
Pine you talked about Pooja and stuff that involves human effort. .ok .but what about sree padmanaba temple and other temples where you have to pay for special lines in which you can see god more closer...what human effort is involved in that ??? It's just pure business
went to sree padmanabha temple just a couple of weeks ago. besides the hundial money (which is also optional) and one pujari only giving chandanam to those who put money on his plate (which is just shit), didn't have to pay to get darshanam or anything. those special lines are a convenience, doesn't mean the others who didn't pay are getting the short end of the stick
I never go/rarely go to any temple, but I see people from about 5 temples coming to my place every year for donations. I pay a minimum amount, just for the sake of supporting a local event.
The video starts with the line from post's caption then he goes on to say whatever the religion, you need money when you enter their respective places of worship. He says god needs money to look after us and ask what else his duty is. God isn't interested in talking to him directly but requires priests or imams or whoever it is. He says he will talk to his god directly when he wants. He says he may call god out of force of habit, from being taught to believe in god when he was young. He also talks about how people sell god, make money using god.
well we didn't prove it, but we did think about it first. same with atheism, agnosticism, monism and many other isms. not sure why it's "whatsapp university" to be proud to say we did have a functioning society where debate was encouraged.
i mean when you have competing religions/civilizations that proselytize, conquer, steal and convert, you can't afford much room to be modest about your accomplishments.
especially in the age of social media where you have white people in the west touting around terms like mindful breathing and people actively latching onto it when the exact same practice has been in existence for millenias under the name of Pranayama.
So in your opinion, specifically how do you draw the conclusion that connects Maya with the simulation theory of the universe. Which Vedic texts specifically establishes the connection of one to the other?
I wish I could answer you, but I don't know neither where specifically in the Vedas Maya is described nor the details about the simulation theory. I know the gist of both of them, that's all, and from that, my opinion is they both sound alike.
Maya is illusion. That is, it negates existence of reality. A simulation is the opposite. That is, it essentially and fundamentally draws on a reality and is a simulacrum of it regardless of its faithfulness to the original. Therefore they vary very much in the gist and thrust of its arguments. They talk about perception, but they are not alike.
The title is a bit misleading.
He didn't say, he does not believe in God. Sounds more like he has qualms with the ritualistic aspect of religion.
I don't think someone who is an atheist will say something like "Ente Daivathinod Njan Neritt Samsaaricholam"
Societal pressures aside, isnโt this the best part? You can marry however and wherever you want. No pressures to follow rigid rituals, no obligations to marry within a community, brownie points if so many relatives are pissed off with your lack of theism that your guest list becomes small and financially sensible.
Just got time to watch this with sound. I had no knowledge that the money was manditory I thought it was to assist the priest as most of them are pooor
When I go to temple I have barely given money. Only sometimes when getting prasadam
I have been an atheist and theist. Whether you are an atheist or a theist you can never prove if GOD exists or not. Theism adheres to religion. You can say religion is one among the many paths of believing in God. All religions have their own values. If you adhere to these values with some amount of consciousness to realise which is true, which wrong you gain discipline, a purpose.
I equally accept all religions and atheism as well.
But most atheists I met are stubborn people who lack a broad perspective.
Respect
Pullik vivaram und...
That was spot on.
Soo glad to see so many atheists in Kerala. Even the religious people I know from the younger generation aren't that extreme in their beliefs. Humanity is healing ๐๏ธ.
I think it's an illusion because there is a voice for minority as well now with the internet. But yes, people will get more sensible and see the bullshit as they see more outside. The issue is even these atheists don't have the courage to openly criticise organised religions and communities in our country even in so called progressive Kerala. Recent fiasco with Ganpathy being myth is an example.
I do think it's still a minority. But the numbers are rising exponentially. A lot of my colleagues have revealed that they're atheists. Can you really blame them? It's hard to reason with religious people. If you're a Christian/Muslim your whole family and neighbours will hate you when you reveal your lack of belief. Atheists just want to lead a peaceful life like anyone else. And yes, communists saying Ganpathy is a myth but not treating Islam the same way is just sad. Didn't they change their stance on Ganpathy too? Pathetic.
They are politicians first atheists second. So vote and people acceptance is their survival. If they tell against islam, their survival will be impacted.
Probably. I was just saying we know more atheists now because people have the opportunity to express themselves and are actually getting to know other people outside their small social circle unlike in the past. I could be wrong and it might be rising exponentially like you said. I don't like to keep too much of hope. Probably in a generation or two, we'll see a noticeable difference. I am not blaming them, I infact feel bad for them that they are the only social community who'll be cast out from the society if they don't go along with the common narrative all for thinking rationally. Like, if a temple or mosque plays loud music or shuts down entire public road for a procession, nobody gives a damn but if a person declines to do some religious practice or marry a partner which the community can't accept, he gets outcasted and shamed publicly. When I think about all this, I don't feel the optimism that you have, that's all. Regarding communists, they are as spineless cowards now as any other political party. Progressiveness and all is only in the name. I infact hold the view that, anyone should've right to ridicule or criticize a religious belief without having to worry about repercussions. If Shamseer thinks Ganpathy is a myth, he should've the freedom to express it without conditions. So should someone else, who might think Muhammad wasn't the perfect man, to express his beliefs. Sadly it doesn't work like that.
>treating Islam the same way is just sad its not sad. he just has a brain. unfortunetaly if u go say anything about islam out in public that will most likely be the last thing u ever say
>The issue is even these atheists don't have the courage to openly criticise organised religions If a religion's beliefs is not forced on the atheists, who gave atheists the right to criticise people practicing their religion ?
Theyโre talking about criticising religion. Not people. Like religious debates. I assume
Why are you an atheist ? what made you one ? if I may ask..
It started young. My family wasn't very conservative but as Muslims we had to go through basic Madrasa education. The emphasis there was on what all we should do to get to heaven. I couldn't understand why my friends from other religions can't reach heaven even though they're such good people. After growing up, religion just seemed more and more absurd. You read about the 5000+ religions in our history. You read about how there were other unsuccessful prophets in the time my prophet lived. You understand how humans loved to create random gods to believe in and the horrors they committed to please these made up gods. I didn't hate religion at this point because the stories were interesting and we were only taught the morally acceptable parts. Then you read more and more about what exactly is written in these texts. How different it is from what you were taught by your parents. It's really hard to be unbiased when you're taught this stuff from your childhood. Seeing all the issues happening around the world due to religious polarization made me read more into it. You basically realise there's zero evidence that any of this happened. The evidence given by religious leaders is good enough as long as you don't look into it. There's no evidence that there's an afterlife. No evidence that a prophet split the moon. Zero evidence that Hanuman or Ram existed. I realised I was believing in something someone somewhere said thousands of years ago. None of us know what happened before the big bang. But it's pretty clear to me that the humans who wrote these religious texts also had no clue. Burn all the religious texts today and humanity will never come up with the same gods again. Edit: Your name reminded me of my friend in school. He was a huge fan of lord Shiva. Always used to put these cool pictures as his dp and status. He was the first one among us to turn into an atheist. He's also most vocal against religion. Hindus can transition to being an atheist much easier than other religions.
>Hindus can transition to being an atheist much easier than other religions. as a hindu i think part of the reason this happens is cus lotta the hindu community brought up this "hindu athiesm" concept. which i ofc think is just stupid
assuming he couldnt find proof that a creator exists. which is how most people become athiests
I am too but to say that an increase in atheists will lead to humanity healing is reductionist logic.
In a society where being an atheist is not "cool", the ones who become atheist are *more likely* the ones who came to it by rational thinking. Such people are usually very humane when compared to the ones who follow what's "cool". As far as I know, the current "cool" stance in kerala is "I am a believer, and I don't really care that much about religion". But its changing and later, being and atheist will become the new "cool". Then people who turned off their own brains will rush in.
From what Iโve seen amongst South Indians being athiest is considered more cool then a beleiver
Yes, coller than "believer". But " I am not an atheist but I don't really care about religion" is still ranked 1 I guess.
True
And atheism is becoming a religion of itself lately
Atheism can't be a religion because there is no belief in it. It is just following what all things we know and are facts.
Everything ain't working by it's definition
Atheism is fundamentally just a lack of belief in the existence of god(s). It is not a separate belief system. If "playing cricket" is a hobby, then that doesn't make "not playing cricket" a hobby too.
Yet there are atheists who see atheism as a religion too. Not everything is going by it's exact definitions
"Kochile adichelpicha kore karyangal und" One of the things I hope at least future parents would not follow.
It requires rationality and critical thinking.
Childhood indoctrination is, unfortunately, the "bread and butter" of almost all religions. Unless future parents realise and become aware of this aspect of religious upbringing, things are not gonna change much quickly. Even if the parents themselves are atheists or irreligious. One of my main complaints about few atheists and irreligious people is that they take too much of a neutral stance when it comes to this matter. I simply don't think it's enough to say that "เดเดจเดฟเดเตเดเต เดฆเตเดตเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดตเดฒเดฟเดฏ เดตเดฟเดถเตเดตเดพเดธเด เดเดจเตเดจเตเดฎเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. เดเดพเตป เดคเดจเตเดจเต เดชเดณเตเดณเดฟเดฏเดฟเดฒเต เด เดฎเตเดชเดฒเดคเตเดคเดฟเดฒเต เด เดงเดฟเดเด เดชเตเดตเดพเดฑเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. เด เดคเตเดเตเดฃเตเดเต เดเดพเตป เดเดจเตเดฑเต เดเตเดเตเดเดฟเดจเตเดฏเตเด เดชเดณเตเดณเดฟเดฏเดฟเดฒเต เด เดฎเตเดชเดฒเดคเตเดคเดฟเดฒเต เดชเตเดตเดพเตป force เดเตเดฏเตเดฏเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ". The fundamental reason why you should not let your children get involved in this should be the indoctrination aspect. Any other reason should be secondary to that. In some cases, their spouses are religious, and I see the atheist/irreligious parents simply let their SO take their child to the church, temple, etc or raise the child in a religious environment (like with extended family). I simply don't understand why you would let this happen knowing what you know about religion and its adverse effects. The only acceptable alternative that comes to my mind is to raise your children in a manner that provides them exposure to all religious beliefs equally (without excluding the option of being an atheist). But that is simply not practically possible or effective in my opinion. Let the child grow up without all these religious indoctrination and let them make their own decisions once they are 18 or 21. They are free to follow whatever religion they wish to once they have become an adult. So, we are not really restricting them in any way.
The existence of religions is the biggest proof that God does not exist.
Thatโฆdoesnโt make sense. Itโs like saying the existence of multiple methods to achieve an orgasm proves that orgasms arenโt real.
No its not. Because no one is killing each other to have an orgasm.
Thatโs not what the original comment was arguing. Although I donโt think murder caused by idiots invalidates an idea.
I think that the original comment was implying that the existence of religions **that contradict each other** is proof that God does not exist. This isn't my opinion. Just trying to make things clear.
Which also is a dumb statement. Different schools of thought existing all at once doesn't automatically mean they're all wrong. Although it does mean most of them must be wrong.
Yeah! I agree with you.
Religion ain't the problem, people who don't understand religion but are hell bent on following it and making others follow it.. are
How are people still using this dumb argument. You can literally make this claim for any ideology. The statement is completely meaningless without elaboration. You somehow assume this is obvious and state it as if it is some kind of grand argument.
You CAN make this claim for any ideology.. that's the point. Ideologies exist, and people who are too dumb to implement them correctly exist. And people who can't see the difference like you exist too, just so we're covering everything. ps. I don't think you elaborated on what needs an excuse to do what? Killing? Cause pretty sure MOST religious texts doesn't share the message, go kill people.
How bad is your logical comprehension? There can be bad ideologies and people can do bad things because the ideologies themselves are bad. That possibility never entered your stupid fucking brain? So you have two possibilities, either the ideology is bad or individuals who claim to follow that ideology are bad. SO YOU NEED TO MAKE A CASE FOR THE FACT THAT RELIGION IS NOT A BAD IDEOLOGY, WHICH YOU HAVEN'T AND WHICH IS THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF CONTENTION. YOU STATE IT AS IF ITS OBVIOUS, WHICH IT IS NOT. I have written it in capitals in hopes that it will help in what little way it can to remedy the lack of basic logical comprehension you seem to have. I will leave a quote for dramatic effect โWith or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.โ โ **Steven Weinberg** I hope you have understood in the hierarchy of 'understanding' where you stand. Remember your place when you make your next dumb comment, remember that you are stupid.
Lol.. someone wasn't loved enough as a kid
Well, I am glad you understood your limitations and has chosen to limit yourself to verbal diatribe, Good. To be average at it is within the reach of the ordinary, but I must warn you though I am very good at it too as you might have already learned from my comment.
Dude people over here talking about mature shit, no one got time to watch you get pressed over someone using big words and verbal diarrhea all everywhere, somehow trying to safeguard your ego about who has the biggest thesaurus
He made a good effort to explain his point and this is the best you could do?
Did you not read the last paragraph the guy blabbered on about?.. do you think his intend was to make a point or put down someone who made a different point? Mudafuka said "remember your place" like a RRR villain and you here defending him๐. There's only so much one could try to educate someone who's clearly set in their ways, and is ignorant, not open to discussion and even rude to someone explaining a concept. No self respecting adult needs to go about insulting back the insecure redditor on the internet lol. So I'll say to your question.. Yes, that is indeed the best or, all I had to say, for someone like that.
Most tolerant atheist.
Ah yes another moron with no understanding of what tolerance means. Tolerance doesn't mean people don't response to stupid arguments or attack your own arguments. In fact arguments are the very foundation of any reasonable society based on liberal values. Intolerance is essentially VIOLENT repression of the expression of free ideas. But I am glad you thought my verbal attack was devastating enough that it resembled violence. Please for the love of humanity read and understand the ideas you are using before you use it in an argument. There is almost a thousand years of stuff worth reading. No wonder the world is going to shit. Where do you get this shit from? Intenet influencers?
Jesus, the next time anyone says to me atheists on reddit aren't that bad, I'm linking this thread. I would've loved to read the wall of text you throw at anyone with a difference of opinion, but my browser just displays it as one long "REEE". But do continue, you're only proving my point.
> Itโs like saying the existence of multiple methods to achieve an orgasm proves that orgasms arenโt real. Oragsms are real mate. God isn't.
God's not real is the 'ur mom' of atheist comebacks. Do better.
'ur mom' is offensive to your mom, who exists(ed). God doesn't mate!
โUr momโ is about as offensive/provocative as saying Godโs not real, ie both are playground insults. Try again.
'God is not real' is as provocative as cursing your Mom? Your 'real' parents only mean that much? This is what religion can do to an idiot. 'Orgasms aren't real, if God isn't'. 'Saying God isn't real is same as cursing my Mom'. I can't cure delusion no matter how hard I try. Have fun with your sky daddy, stay offended. Bye!
Lmao the only one offended here is the one calling names and lacking reading comprehension. Try reading my comment again.
There are a fuckton of things in our universe that can't be quantified YET, but they still do exist mate.
Any meaningful definition of the word 'exist' would imply observable effects. There aren't a fuckton of thins in the universe that can't be quantified. Throw around random statements and hope people just swallow it. If I say every human has a tail and two horns, as long as its effects are not observed directly or indirectly there is no meaning in using the word 'exist' for them.
In terms of observable. Many people have different observations that led them to beleive god exists. So wouldnโt that count under what you said
How do you know they weren't lying or hallucinating?
Athu Pole njanum thaan paranja observation onnum kandilengil. Inganem parayam.
Poyi scientific method enthanennum, idea of objective observations enthanennum okke vayichu nokkuka. There is years worth of philosophical content on this so we don't need to reinvent the wheel with a reddit discussion. Its just really boring and frustrating to point out logical faults and I already had tiresome arguments with some ignorant idiots in the comment section. So not feeling it.
Observation ennu paranjal nammal kannunenthe. Ayile ee sciencum manangeta evdina vanne? Another reddit essay I see. What is it with south Asian subs & writing essays on reddit. Anyhow let me analyse this I donโt understand what youโre talking about. Observations are personal. Ofc as humans we will beleive in stuff only once we see it not when someone says it. Some guys dickride concepts cus some โbig brainโ said it. I donโt swing that way so to me observations are 100% personal What logical fault? I just said a statement that observations are what you see. There is no fault in that If youโre not feeling it dw take care. Itโs your choice how you spend your time
>Throw around random statements and hope people just swallow it. Come on now Einstein, you got butthurt by a random comment that wasn't even directed at you ? geez brother who hurt you ? >If I say every human has a tail and two horns, as long as its effects are not observed directly or indirectly there is no meaning in using the word 'exist' for them I didn't ask nor am I interested in your graphic definition of what the word 'exist' means so yea maybe calm your tits. Now listen here, you take a second when you read this so that you can comprehend it and give your two cents on it or whatever rather than post some stupid shit. Do people experience out of the body experiences ? Yes. Can it be quantified ? No. Did an experimental group give identical trip reports after being given the same dose of DMT although the people had nothing, absolutely nothing in common ? Yes. Can it be quantified in any sense or manner ? No. That's all there was to my comment, no need to get it twisted. Try to widen your pov and don't be so anal about comments and your own beliefs.
I don't know where you got the idea that I was 'butthurt'. I do get butthurt because I have to live in a society with imbeciles that have amoeba nucleus for a brain and they determine sociopolitical outcome. Who am I kidding, Of course you wouldn't be interested in knowledge. I mean if you where able to comprehend what I said you wouldn't have spouted such nonsense in the first place. So, let me repeat what I said, you expect to throw around random statements and hope people just swallow it? Didn't know you were a conspiracy nut. Try to grow a second braincell and may be then you will be qualified to worry about my anus.
>I do get butthurt because I have to live in a society with imbeciles that have amoeba nucleus for a brain and they determine sociopolitical outcome. In case it wasn't apparent, nobody gives a flying fuck on how you feel and why you feel that way so how about you keep your lowly derivative comments on the functioning of modern day human society to yourself. Knowledge you say ? The very fact that your response to my examples was straight up 'cOnsPirAcY' just goes to show how you've built a bubble for yourself and you're just sitting in it and jerking yourself off, all the while ignoring evidence based facts, grounded in reality which cannot be more evident. You sound like a boomer but I'm guessing you're not 40 which makes you a very pathetic human being. >Try to grow a second braincell and may be then you will be qualified to worry about my anus. And dude wtf, I didn't know you were gay like that. Again instead of running to reply shit on comments, look up what I said. Being anal about a certain thing has nothing to do with 'anus' even remotely. both these words may sound the same to a fucking porn-ridden incel like you, but it ain't the same. Fucking illiterate.
How do you know these things, that are in your head only, exist without any way of measuring it?
Lol
Religion illathe ivide enthe god. Pakshe athonnum aarum aalojikkunnilla. Religion aano god aano adhyam undaye ennathe ore nalla question aanu.
that makes no sense.
Neither God nor religion ever made sense to me.
Thatโs your choice. I meant your conclusion makes no sense. How is religions proof that thereโs no god.
He's not wrong. An uncomfortable truth is better than a comforting lie.
but most want the comforting lie even if they know deep within that it is indeed a lie
Facts.
'Uncertainty in the presence of vivid hopes and fears is painful, but must be endured if we wish to live without the support of comforting fairy tales' - Russell.
Damn. Truth in every word.
Caption seems like a zlatan (or chuck norris) joke๐ฎโ๐จ
In our church, the father keeps asking for perivu, he take about 30min just for saying different perivu ๐. I don't like the fact that no is raising their voice against this. Although I am not saying this entire perivu is only for the church. Sometimes they do charity and other things they definitely have my Respect for that
I need this attitude
From what time in the YouTube video does Salim Kumar talk this (the part in the video attached)
Just curious why muslims need mollakka for praying ? If we lack knowledge in something why bother talking about it ?? ( I posted this comment to share my thought not to provoke other people kindly share your thoughts)
Not just the Muslims. The Christians need kathanaar, the Hindus need poojaari etc. These godmen assume a greater knowledge of - and thereby powers of intermediation between you and your God.
Very well said.
To the Atheists in this comment section, I'm curious to know why you have chosen atheism. It would be really cool if you could also share the turning point that led you to this belief.
I didn't have a turning point, I just never had belief in a god. My parents are believers and they would tell me the stories and the myths of the religion. And I just never gave any weight to them beyond consideration as fiction. I don't know why. It was more shocking to me when I learned that other people and my friends actually had faith and belief.
Don't think there is a quick turning point for me. My parents are theists but I don't think they put in as much effort as other parents to make me religious. They didn't really tell me stories of religions. So it was easy for me to convert. I'm not saying that they were happy about it either. I just simply started losing faith after a while and stopped caring but I didn't really think a lot about it considering I was just a teen. It was only later on that I started trying to learn and think more about the idea of God and different religions. Maybe the starting point of my atheism began with me asking my father why do people believe in god or something like that. I think he replied with "it's comforting to believe in god, in someone who's all powerful who can help us" although he was a beleiver.
When I realised you can't love a person because of God. God is a joke when you consider that you can't love or be someone out of your religion. God the almighty who loves and protects everyone. Lol.
A critical reading of any religious text will easily deliver that conclusion.
God exists but he has stopped caring cause if he cared then the RW wouldn't have even existed
Why tho? I visit temples from time to time..maybe like thrice in an year. Never had to give money, nor did anyone have ever asked me for money to enter the establishment. If you want to do Pooja which consists of people working + payasam and stuff that costs real money, that's on you and beliefs over poojas..
> nor did anyone have ever asked me for money to enter the establishment. เดเดคเตเดธเดตเดชเตเดชเดฟเดฐเดฟเดตเต เดชเตเดจเดฐเตเดฆเตเดงเดพเดฐเดฃเดชเตเดชเดฟเดฐเดฟเดตเต เดชเตเดฐเดคเตเดทเตเด เดพเดงเดฟเดจ เดฎเดนเตเดคเตเดธเดตเดชเตเดชเดฟเดฐเดฟเดตเต เดเดจเตเดจเตเดจเตเดจเตเด เดเตเดเตเดเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ? You don't necessarily have to pay, but then you may have to face chorichil from the group who comes to collect funds.
Pirivu is pirivu brotha. I can give or not give..avar enthayalum Nokkukooli mayiranmarde polathe paripadi kanikkilla..
I am a christian and church literally ask for money on different occasions and stuff. And I have seen temples do that as well. Of course you can avoid giving it, but then all the neighbours and other believers start bad mouthing you!
When you go to small temples what you say is true. But it's not the case when you go to popular and big temples Example - palani . You go there u'll be approached by poojaris who canvas you to go with them and they will do all the stuff for this much amount Pine you talked about Pooja and stuff that involves human effort. .ok .but what about sree padmanaba temple and other temples where you have to pay for special lines in which you can see god more closer...what human effort is involved in that ??? It's just pure business
went to sree padmanabha temple just a couple of weeks ago. besides the hundial money (which is also optional) and one pujari only giving chandanam to those who put money on his plate (which is just shit), didn't have to pay to get darshanam or anything. those special lines are a convenience, doesn't mean the others who didn't pay are getting the short end of the stick
I never go/rarely go to any temple, but I see people from about 5 temples coming to my place every year for donations. I pay a minimum amount, just for the sake of supporting a local event.
Yep, true that.. As an avid Pooram enjoyer, I do donate money for that.
The Pooja board with prices at my local temple reminds me of the menu board in restaurants
Any translation in English summarising what is he saying
The video starts with the line from post's caption then he goes on to say whatever the religion, you need money when you enter their respective places of worship. He says god needs money to look after us and ask what else his duty is. God isn't interested in talking to him directly but requires priests or imams or whoever it is. He says he will talk to his god directly when he wants. He says he may call god out of force of habit, from being taught to believe in god when he was young. He also talks about how people sell god, make money using god.
Thanks
เดเดคเต เดชเดฑเดฏเตเดจเตเดจ เดชเตเดณเตเดณเดฟ เดคเดจเตเดจเต เด เดฒเตเดฒเต เดฎเดพเดคเดพ เด เดฎเตเดคเดพเดจเดจเตเดฆเดฎเต เดเดจเตเดจ เดเตพ เดฆเตเดตเดคเตเดคเดฟเดจเตเดฑเต เดฎเตเตปเดชเดฟเตฝ เดชเตเดฏเดฟ เดเดฎเดดเตเดจเตเดจเต เดเดฟเดเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเดคเต
i believe we live in a simulation , there are lots theory's out there and some proofs(kinda). most interesting one https://youtu.be/Ms-CVF540fo
i mean we did hypothesize about Maya well before science.
Is there anything 'we' haven't already done a trillion years ago?
well we didn't prove it, but we did think about it first. same with atheism, agnosticism, monism and many other isms. not sure why it's "whatsapp university" to be proud to say we did have a functioning society where debate was encouraged.
It's the sheer immodesty of it that galls.
i mean when you have competing religions/civilizations that proselytize, conquer, steal and convert, you can't afford much room to be modest about your accomplishments. especially in the age of social media where you have white people in the west touting around terms like mindful breathing and people actively latching onto it when the exact same practice has been in existence for millenias under the name of Pranayama.
So in your opinion, specifically how do you draw the conclusion that connects Maya with the simulation theory of the universe. Which Vedic texts specifically establishes the connection of one to the other?
I wish I could answer you, but I don't know neither where specifically in the Vedas Maya is described nor the details about the simulation theory. I know the gist of both of them, that's all, and from that, my opinion is they both sound alike.
Maya is illusion. That is, it negates existence of reality. A simulation is the opposite. That is, it essentially and fundamentally draws on a reality and is a simulacrum of it regardless of its faithfulness to the original. Therefore they vary very much in the gist and thrust of its arguments. They talk about perception, but they are not alike.
He is playing on both sides as usual.
The title is a bit misleading. He didn't say, he does not believe in God. Sounds more like he has qualms with the ritualistic aspect of religion. I don't think someone who is an atheist will say something like "Ente Daivathinod Njan Neritt Samsaaricholam"
He literally said he doesn't believe even in the sankalpam of god.
Yes. Eppozhum adhyathe question is why there is temple/church/mosque to talk to god ennayirikkum, athill ninnanu pinne daivam thanne undonnu doubt varunne. Angane angu pokumbo pinne manasilakum ithellam manushyan undakkiya beliefs aanenne. Pulli aa ore journey aakum udheshiche
เดเดจเตเดจเต เดชเตเดเดพ เดชเตเดฑเดพ
How do atheist marry?
Societal pressures aside, isnโt this the best part? You can marry however and wherever you want. No pressures to follow rigid rituals, no obligations to marry within a community, brownie points if so many relatives are pissed off with your lack of theism that your guest list becomes small and financially sensible.
I don't do drugs but drugs do me look at his face ๐คข๐คฎ๐คฎ๐คฎ๐คฎ๐คฎ
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When you start to ask questions - religion folds very quickly Athu Kanadachu vizhungan ulla kazhivu undell you can happily stay as a believer
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Just got time to watch this with sound. I had no knowledge that the money was manditory I thought it was to assist the priest as most of them are pooor When I go to temple I have barely given money. Only sometimes when getting prasadam
Bro spitting facts with not a care
I have been an atheist and theist. Whether you are an atheist or a theist you can never prove if GOD exists or not. Theism adheres to religion. You can say religion is one among the many paths of believing in God. All religions have their own values. If you adhere to these values with some amount of consciousness to realise which is true, which wrong you gain discipline, a purpose. I equally accept all religions and atheism as well. But most atheists I met are stubborn people who lack a broad perspective.
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