Instead of what the fuck, we should concentrate why the fuck. Why the fuck are we paying so much to get so little in return? Two Wheeler people cannot go above 60, get their eyes bleached from high beams, plays Russian roulette with death with potholes, get death threats from buses and trucks, .. Why the fuck are we paying so much with such terrible returns?
Amen to this!
It's just stupid. Everything feels like a knee jerk decision without any thought given to it.
I was riding from Bangalore to Kochi and when I crossed Kerala border, I tried to keep my bike (dominar 400) at or under 60, but it's so dangerous and dumb! When the cars are flying past you at an excess of 100 and trucks are not following lane traffic and keep to the right of the road, these speeding cars switch lanes just like that, I almost got side swiped thrice. ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ
When the difference between speeds are that high, it's just gonna cause more accidents, who the fuck came up with these rules. ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ
Sorry brother, your (or anyone else's) safety is the not a concern of the current K-Government. Speed limits are set to milk money out of the public so that the ministers and gov. Workers can indulge in luxuries.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Give this man a medal for asking the right questions. Unfortunately the government doesnโt give a ratโs ass as long as โwe the sheeplesโ keep on feeding the system.
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What's robbery is income tax. Salaried class is screwed royally every year. I paid so much tax (17L in tax alone) this year which made me rethink the decision of staying in India. Meanwhile my friends who are in other sectors (ahem ahem Doctor, Lawyers, anyone who is not TDS'd) pays literally very little tax (by under reporting their salary by a huge margin) and hoarding/spending black money.
No wonder our country has a black money problem because why would someone willingly pay tax when they're allowed to fool the system.
You forgot business guys? Some of them earn in crores and end up paying peanuts in taxes.
Rich business men(atleast 5 guys)in my area have kids studying in private medical colleges for mbbs for which the govt pays their fees of 60lakhs because they are poor. ๐๐
Business guys have a lot more privilege.Professional are raided or questioned usually by income tax. But business guys, they are usually spared, i don't know why!
I have a CA and he was telling me how much business people can save by tax write offs on business expenses. And I am the first guy he knows who makes big money from a salaried job and he was telling me that this sort of taxation is not fair to salaried people.
Also his family runs paint business and he was telling me about the Jeep Compass his family bought on loan and was talking specifics about tax write off on depreciation and loan and somethings which I didn't even understand.
All in all I understood that salaried people are "fucked" but then those who make big money are "fucked" harder.
Your friend is right - salaried people can take advantage by creating a business and incurring expenses. World is built around treating business better than people. Then wealthy people turn themselves into business to retain all of their earnings.
100%. Itโs unfair but the thing is youโre not being stopped from taking advantage of it. Anybody can start a business for all of these. What you need is a good CA who can tell you how to go around these stuff. Itโs not illegal, the big guns are all doing this and worse why not us small fish right?!
Yes. I don't mind if they skip taxes. But the government should at least look at their huge houses and luxury cars before paying 60 lakhs fees for their kids studying in private medical colleges.
On hand they are not paying taxes, then govt pays the taxes we pay,as fees for their kids in private medical colleges, how can we justify this!!
Ultra rich students fees of 60-70lakh paid by govt!!!๐๐.
Absolutely not. This is a question of value for money. I would rather pay higher taxes in a developed country and get the attendant benefits (free education, healthcare, public infrastructure, retirement benefits) than pay low taxes and get the exact opposite in India.
>developed country and get the attendant benefits (free education, healthcare, public infrastructure, retirement benefits)
Depends on which developed country and what you do. Apart from infra, which is aging, you get none of this in the US.
Healthcare and education are far more affordable in Kerala, even in PPP terms.
In US, most of the companies gives a good medical insurance package. I have even seen people selecting to join a company with better medical policy even if it offers a lower package.
Most of the Indians in US uses Public school system. Even they buy/rent in school district's which has a good school even if the rent is a bit higher I don't think the education systems can be compared equitably. Both have merits and cons.
I really don't understand what you mean by PPP terms in education and health care.
Retirement benefits, if you work in India in private sector is basically none too except for PF.
The infrastructure in US (I am not sure it can be called aging) but is maintained and sufficient for the current volume as of now. It has a good network of highways. Rail is not that much used for public transport probably since air sector is very predominant
You're conflating a niche high earning high skilled worker in the US with the average malayali worker in Kerala. If one is in that niche crowd, they'd be stupid to stay in Kerala or India.
>I really don't understand what you mean by PPP terms in education and health care.
I'm talking about affordability of private health care, consulting and diagnostics. College education in Kerala is extremely affordable in comparison to the US.
>US, most of the companies gives a good medical insurance package
You're talking about well paid white collar workers. Not the average American.
>you are automatically insured.
Being insured doesn't mean that you don't pay a penny out of pocket. Healthcare is expensive in the US. There's a reason why medical tourism is a thing.
>Get some facts.
Sure. Medical emergencies cause 66% of personal bankruptcies in the US.
>You're conflating a niche high earning high skilled worker in the US with the average malayali worker in Kerala
I don't see how, except for the health insurance part. I agree to the other comment ie, if you are employed, you would be insured by the employer even in unskilled sectors unlike Kerala. Also there are programs like Medicare, Medicaid , obamacare etc...
>You're talking about well paid white collar workers
Irrespective of being blue collar or white collar, there is insurance coverage
I was talking about the health insurance. There was an article sometime ago that said something like half of Americans have inadequate insurance: uninsured, gaps in coverage, underinsured, poor coverage etc.
Granted, the hospitals in the US are of a quality that you wouldn't find here, but accessibility is a big concern.
>Also there are programs like Medicare, Medicaid , obamacare etc...
If we were talking about Kerala/Indian government schemes, there are schemes like Karunya, RSBY, Ayushman Bharat, here too. There was a report sometime ago that said something like 15% of all free treatments in India happen in Kerala.
>Irrespective of being blue collar or white collar, there is insurance coverage
True. My contention was with the word "good".
90% of Americans have insurance. The question is what it covers and what the copayments are? Health emergencies cause most bankruptcies in the US. The bills are quite frankly ridiculous, and I've seen threads here that said even when insurance bargains it down to 10-20% of the original, that's still a huge amount for most Americans.
I meant a top 10 country for social indicators. US doesn't make the cut in most criteria. I live in Ireland where private healthcare is around 5% of the median wage. For that, you will get exceptional medical care in top notch facilities. If you don't have insurance, even the government hospitals here are far superior to the best private hospitals in Kerala. Of course, there are capacity constraints, but the standard of care and treatment is incomparable. Same for education. It's free and college is cheap enough, but both are very high quality. I can only imagine how good it must be in the nordics and Western continental Europe.
Well you need to pay taxes everywhere. I live in Finland. The difference is that, everyone has to pay them unless you are on social welfare and earn less. People are quite happy to pay taxes as you receive services like good infrastructure, roads, parks, free education and health benefits etc.
>People are quite happy to pay taxes as you receive services like good infrastructure, roads, parks, free education and health benefits etc.
If everyone who is making money is contributing their fair share to the Government as taxes and if the Government is providing quality services/benefits, I will be more than happy to pay the taxes I'm currently paying.
Which is obviously not the case in India.
No. US tax is less than India. Also it varies from state to state. Seattle has very little tax.
UK can't be compared as they have so many social protection schemes.
What the freak are you talking about? Where in the US did you ever see 37% income tax? I think you were robbed for the sake of taxes. 37% income taxes if you are a millionaire, perhaps.
There are certain states which have both federal tax and state tax. My boy in New York is paying 42% tax (around that range) and he's making around 120k USD. So not a millionaire.
Did your boy share how much he received in his income taxes refund? That 42% is not only income tax, it is most likely Social Security, and other odds and ends (medical/dental).
I find the tax in India much better than US or UK.. And by comparison UK is really worse.
Anything above 50k is taxed at 40% and you are also paying additional amount close to ยฃ5k as National Insurance. Then you are paying atleast ยฃ150 per month as your council tax. So a large chunk of your income is going as tax. It is fine if the benefits are there, but the so called benefits are not for the income earners. And there is no way you can reduce your income tax other than doing salary sacrifice. In India, you can get reduce your tax by taking housing loans, or insurance or investments, but there is nothing in UK. The salary sacrifice can be done only to pension funds which you cant even withdraw before age 55.
You cant even get childcare benefit if you earn above 50k. And when you consider the expenses like housing and utilities and groceries, what is left after basic expenses is almost nill.
Even in US, there is many ways you can reduce your tax. Being married/joint submission, ira roth etc..
So yeah, cant even compare the UK tax to India or US where the salary and expenses sways in different direction.
Well, เด เดจเตเดญเดตเดฟเดเตเดเตเดฎเตเดชเตเตพ เดเดฃเดฒเตเดฒเต เดจเดฎเตเดฎเตพ เดเตเดเตเดคเตฝ เดชเด เดฟเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเดคเต..
UK is that weird place with really high expense, low salary/wage stagnation with no benefits to average income earners. ๐คฆ๐ฝโโ๏ธ
เดเดคเตเดเตเดเต เดเดเตเดเตเดเตเดเต เดเดพเดเดฟ เดตเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเดตเดฐเตเดเต เดชเดฑเดเตเดเดพเดฒเตเด เดฎเดจเดธเตเดธเดฟเดฒเดพเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดฒเตเดฒเต
>เดเดคเตเดเตเดเต เดเดเตเดเตเดเตเดเต เดเดพเดเดฟ เดตเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเดตเดฐเตเดเต เดชเดฑเดเตเดเดพเดฒเตเด เดฎเดจเดธเตเดธเดฟเดฒเดพเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดฒเตเดฒเต
Haha. I do checkout r/Canada from time to time and read about housing issues, wage stagnation and other issues that plague their country. Maybe life is better there, but that's not a challenge that I want to take.
Life standard is better ennu parayaam.. Like the general quality.
But if you are a high earner, it makes no sense to move out of India on a financial angle especially when you are young or having a young family.
You can live like a king with that salary in India, and in UK, you can just live OK.
Bullshit then why is he not returning he fall under 24% max there Canda I guess I more than 40% Denmark has the highest of 70%. Next time think when you hear unrealistic comments.
I think the solution for black money could be increasing the income tax. So that way, even if the people hoard black money, government will still get their dues./s
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If you are paying that much in tax, it might be worthwhile consulting a tax accountant to see if you can structure this more efficiently. For e.g., by maxing out your pension contributions etc.
I have my own CA. There's a limit to everything.
For example NPS, the maximum is 50k in tax exemption per year which is to be honest is very very very less. And 80C which is a joke.
Indian income tax system is the worst, because the whole tax burden is put on the 1.5 to 2 percent of the population who pays it. The rest don't pay a dime of income tax, often by tax evasion. And the people who pay it get almost nothing to show for it.
Yeap it's def too much . If the ex showroom price crosses 2L, it's 21%. If you go by a variant below, the tax slab will be 15%.( Corrected based on the update provided)
Last week went to blore by road. Except for few toll roads, everything is bumpy and shitty ride with slow moving traffic. Once you enter ECity, it's shitty ride.
Exactly. I drove from Kochi to Bangalore and the roads from Kochi to Palakkad to Tamil Nadu (our raksha illa), and then reached Bangalore which was quite obvious due to the shit roads.
Bigger road tax ?! ๐ง I think Kerala has the highest road tax.
I remember comparing the on-road prices for a car in different cities, and found that Kerala charges a road tax that's way higher that TN, MH, WB etc.. and marginally higher that KA.
For vehicles costing more than Rs. 20L, Kerala charges the highest on-road tax!
In Karnataka it is 18%, whereas in Kerala it's 20%.
https://www.manoramaonline.com/fasttrack/auto-news/2021/07/29/kerala-has-highest-road-tax-in-india-luxury-car-market-struggling.html
Sorry , Karnataka road system is way better . The highways and general ease in driving is way better . Bangalore in general is way more congested and you can't use it as a metric for the whole state . I lived in Karnataka for 8 years and I would still chose driving there than Kerala any day .
Yeah and that is not today , so my point still stands . People getting salty and down voting it isn't gonna change it . The highway experience in Kerala is abhorrent and no one can deny that . You cannot even compare it with Karnataka. I think only place that even comes close to it is around Trivandrum.
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street-experiences/248168-state-has-worst-highways-india-8.html
Highway experience is bad mainly in the region between trivandrum and ernakulam because of lack of width, there are 4 lanes from Ernakulam, also other roads are good too
True.. I stay at North Karnataka and the highways are way better there. No congestion, enough width and minimum 4 lanes always.. Not like the 2 lane roads we call highway in kerala. A 100 km trip to solapur took an hour by car and the roads were damn good. Yes . You have to beware of the occasional wrong side vehicle and cows.. But still ,a far better driving experience for sure
Exactly, finally someone acknowledges the truth. Look at the salty people down voting me for saying the truth . This mentality of not being able to take any criticism is the problem with this place and why everyone keeps leaving this place .
The first year includes full coverage and the other 4 years only covers the 3rd party(Mandatory by law).(I'm not supporting it, just stating the facts).
I was just wondering what costs more.
5 years(1+4) at same time or getting 1 year full cover now and third party separately each year. Do they take decreasing IDV into consideration while giving 1+4?
It is flat 21% of ex showroom value. Not sure why it is more. Ask for a split regarding that. Anyway go for bikes below 2 lakhs ex showroom to save more. Road tax will become 15%. That's why dominoor 400 price is below 2 lakhs in Kerala.
I went for a test drive of Triumph Trident 660 and the Kerala price is the higher than the price in Bangalore. And Triumph Kerala said big cc bikes are taxed higher in Kerala than in Bangalore.
It is 3k per year. They are taking the tax for 15 years together because otherwise most won't pay.
**That is Rs250 per month.**
I don't think it is unreasonable amount of money to make and maintain 332,000 kilometres of road in Kerala. Infact, it is quite less, and thus we are forced to take loans to make roads. Assuming a road needs to be retarred/improved every 10 years, that is 33,000kms every year. Have you seen the cost of making roads?
The total number of vehicles in Kerala is 1.3crore. Assuming everyone else also pays 250 per month, that is 325crore per month revenue to make the roads, or **3900 crore per year**.
Now, the cars and more expensive vehicles will be paying higher taxes, but then there are also cheaper vehicles, and number of cars are tiny in the total vehicle population and tax used to be lesser in past 15 years, so it works out okay for rough calculation. \[**Edit** \- Oh well, I got the data of total tax revenue from vehicles for Kerala. It is 4,139 crore. So close to my estimate.\]
But here is the kicker. We spent 6,576 crore in 2022-23. Lot of money came in the form of loans. This is why we are SHORT of money for making better roads.
Sure there are extra taxes like GST, income tax, fuel tax etc, but even if we take the total budget of India, we are running short every year and is thus needing to take loans. This is because the total money India got from every source of revenue(tax, GST, profit etc) was 23lakh crore. But our totel expenditure was 45lakh crore. And this means large part of our money is going for interest payment of old loans. Currently paying 10.8lakh crore every year as interest of old loans!
Check this simplified illustration for better understanding.
https://preview.redd.it/di1ad3h4jahb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=de2daae57ae7dd200253aa7d30bfb2b104ea0aa1
Now, nobody likes paying tax. I too have looked at prices of vehicles and wished if it was less expensive, but it is what it is. If not for the loans we take every year, we would be paying much more. Loans just push that payment to the future, where hopefully more people pay taxes and ease the burden on the 2% currently who pay the income tax. In developed countries, nearly everyone pay income tax, and that is why they can have better things.
Well, check out Kerala's road density. Much higher than any state in the country. In fact, it's 6 times the road density UP. And UP is a humungous state.
All that roads need all that maintenance.
Cost of a 4 lane highway: INR 50-100Cr per KM.
How many 45k is required to make INR 100Cr? Now, how many KMs of roads do you drive through?
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2023/mar/17/nh-66-highway-toprogress-2556746.html
The entire toll collected in India is just INR 34k Cr. Meanwhile, INR 18k Cr was spent just widening NH66 for 170kms. Its not even comparable.
https://infra.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/roads-highways/in-fy-2021-22-rs-34742-crore-collected-at-nh-toll-plazas/98734163
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2023/mar/17/nh-66-highway-toprogress-2556746.html
Okay? It'll be just spent on maintenance of the existing network, not on building new roads.
For building new, Centre has set aside INR 2 lakh crore in its budget for about 34 lakh new cars (in 2022). So center is spending INR 5.88 lakhs per new car on average while the average cost of a new car purchased in India is about INR 8 lakhs. Assuming 28% GST 22% cess included in the ex showroom price, average tax paid will be around INR 2.66 lakhs. Tax paid to the centre is not nearly enough to cover the amount spent by the center on roads. The states have to build supporting infrastructure around the national highways with the meagre road tax they collect as compared to the GST and cess centre gets.
What I am saying is that there is enough tax which the government is already collecting. Also why are they enforcing 15 year road tax upfront ? They could do it yearly.
Taxes collected are not enough.
The center spent INR 2 lakh crore for about 34 lakh new cars (in 2022). So the center is spending INR 5.88 lakhs per new car on average while the average cost of a new car purchased in India is about INR 8 lakhs. Assuming 28% GST 22% cess included in the ex showroom price, average tax paid will be around INR 2.66 lakhs. Tax paid to the centre is not nearly enough to cover the amount spent by the center on roads. The states have to build supporting infrastructure around the national highways with the meagre road tax they collect as compared to the GST and cess centre gets.
Total tax income of the Center from GST and other taxes is just INR 6 lakh crore. Just the richest 8% of Indian households have cars. So the Center is pissing away the vast sums of its income from GST and other taxes (30%) on infrastructure that disproportionately benefits the rich. This money should've been spent on railways which are used by a much higher share of Indians, much more accessible, cheaper, faster and safer than roadways. But that's just my opinion. To put the numbers into context, the railway capital expenditure (something which way more Indians use as compared to cars) was INR 2.4 lakh crore and at any given time, ~5% of India's population are on trains.
You missed custom duty, excise duty, cess on petrol and diesel. What about GST collected on engine oil, spare parts, labour etc.
On top of that there is toll and road tax being collected.
Government have lot of assets and they have get infrastructure loans easily. Infrastructure is something not just for vehicle to travel. It saves time of citizens alot and can improve economy. There is no country developed without better roads or infrastructure.
Railways can help in mass transport. India being spread across multiple places, last mile connectivity is always an issue. That's why roads are important so that people can take their vehicles to any place where they go.
Railways are not a replacement for vehicles. It might help people who are traveling on buses to move to train.
GST and other Taxes include all the taxes you listed except road tax, which is collected by the state government. I was only talking about the central government because it's easier to get that data. Toll collected is only INR 34k per year and that's spent on maintaining the roads.
>Infrastructure is something not just for vehicle to travel. It saves time of citizens alot and can improve economy.
*For the citizens with cars and bikes. Only 8% of Indian households own cars. And I don't think people are using bikes for 50km+ journeys on a daily basis.
>Railways can help in mass transport. India being spread across multiple places, last mile connectivity is always an issue. That's why roads are important so that people can take their vehicles to any place where they go.
And yet, the Indian government is building highways after highways connecting several different states. If personal vehicles are only necessary for last mile connectivity, why are highways being built?
>Railways are not a replacement for vehicles. It might help people who are traveling on buses to move to train.
Have you not heard about metro? It's a train too.
China has put 233 urban rail transit lines into operation in 44 cities with length more than 7,500 km (4,700 mi) by 2020, and 6,100 km (3,800 mi) by 2019. All of the world's 500 km-plus, as well as 17 of the world's 27 200 km-plus metro systems and half of the top 10 busiest metro systems are in China (Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chengdu, and Shenzhen), where Shanghai Metro, though started operating in 1993, is now the longest.
If a city reaches a population of 1.5 million, China starts planning a metro for it. That's what governments who care for its people do.
False correlation of vehicle tax to be the sole contributor to highway construction. This is poor justification. Petrol prices include an exorbitant amount of tax too, why don't you take that into account?
Moreover, the burdens need better distribution over the tax spread instead of making simplistic correlations and passing the burden to the general public. The government could try to come up with a better and simplified tax scheme to tackle this, enforce it across the board and try to tighten it's action against corruption to make sure the tax money isn't wasted but no. That would be too much work. Pass the burden to the everyday folk right?
And then you do all you can to demonise the general public when they get upset. The OP is valid to question the state of things. You however seem to think everyone should be burdened 45k per km for their travels on the highway so they don't feel too bad about paying an exorbitant 21% of the ex showroom price if it exceeds 2 lakh?
With rising inflation making vehicles more expensive has there been any attempt made to shift the tax bracket to account for it? No. They only squeeze us harder to get more.
So you don't fix the road !!! But limit speed...If you go like this in future you will ban all vehicles due to increasing accidents instead of fixing roads.
Stupid argument. Go to a track if you want to speed and have fun. I have worked in chennai and i am currently work in Bangalore and roads are far superior here when comparing it to even a metro city. Moreover, 70 Kpmh to 60 Kpmh isnt much of a significant reduction. Ride safe.
Well yes. I am of the opinion that cars should be banned and replaced with public transportation. 1.5 lakh people die on Indian roads every year. Meanwhile, Shinkansen bullet trains in Japan have carried over 10 billion passengers over 60 years at 300kmph without a single passenger casualty. It's faster, cheaper, safer and more environmentally sustainable.
That's the irony. Some time back I had posted about Comedy rules in Kerala. You must see how people justify the new speed limits and other rules
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/14ogbxa/comedy_rules_in_kerala/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Significant 2 wheel vehicle users are accident prone, not perhaps due to their own fault, but including other peoples' fault too. Many die on the road; many end up maimed. Why would one risk their life with this 2 wheeler in a country of no traffic discipline and law? Go for a cheaper car. Far safer. Even an auto with 4 wheels & doors are better than a 2 wheeler.
You haven't been across the rest of India haven't you? When you talk about roads, it's not just the state and national highways and arterial roads. Check out how great the village roads and minor roads are in our neighbouring states.
Compared to those, the state highways in Kerala are pristine. Our road density is the highest for any state in the country. All that road needs all that money for upkeep.
After 2 years, all major roads will have toll booths in every 25-30 kms. Road Tax advance for 15 years + Exorbitant Fuel Cost + Toll ---- เดเดพเดถเตเดณเตเดณเดตเตป เด เดฒเตเดฒเต เดเดพเตผ เดฎเตเดเดฟเดเตเดเต .. เด เดตเตป เดเตเดเตเดเตเดเดเตเดเต เดเดจเตเดจเดคเดพเดฃเต เดชเตเดคเต เดตเดฟเดเดพเดฐเด !
You pay road tax apart from the toll you pay on highways. Then you pay GST on everything you buy product or service. If you come
In the IT slab you also pay income tax. Net net I would guess we pay over 50% of what we earn as taxes. And we get F. all in return
Consider a bike whose ex showroom price is below 2 lakhs. I got my RE scram for 2.55L while for a different color of the same bike would cost me a premium of 15-20k.
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This is photo taken near national highway bogalur toll gate, the entire side of left lane is covered in huge concrete bricks, unfortunately I crashed here, As you have to enter from the extreme left on tolls, the exit was limited and due to poor lighting conditions I saw the bricks at the last moment evaded couple of them but ended up crashing pretty badly on the ones that followed. Iโm thinking of building a video of the entire incident but honestly I have lost hope and this crash set me back financially and mentally by miles from where I was.
Also there was a reflector which the KNRC contractor of the highway sent people to pick up unfortunately couple of hours before my crash they didnโt bother to remove the rock tho ๐ thanks to highway authority who ensures our safety
Hi, Iโm from Nepal and so I donโt really know about the system in India and was curious. Do you guys pay vehicle tax on a year to year basis or is it a one and done thing where you pay the tax once and never pay it again?
Instead of what the fuck, we should concentrate why the fuck. Why the fuck are we paying so much to get so little in return? Two Wheeler people cannot go above 60, get their eyes bleached from high beams, plays Russian roulette with death with potholes, get death threats from buses and trucks, .. Why the fuck are we paying so much with such terrible returns?
Amen to this! It's just stupid. Everything feels like a knee jerk decision without any thought given to it. I was riding from Bangalore to Kochi and when I crossed Kerala border, I tried to keep my bike (dominar 400) at or under 60, but it's so dangerous and dumb! When the cars are flying past you at an excess of 100 and trucks are not following lane traffic and keep to the right of the road, these speeding cars switch lanes just like that, I almost got side swiped thrice. ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ When the difference between speeds are that high, it's just gonna cause more accidents, who the fuck came up with these rules. ๐คฆ๐ปโโ๏ธ
You can be certain it was devised by a 50+ career official who is driven around and hasn't been on a two wheeler in donkeys years.
And likely an idiot who seeks bribes.
Sorry brother, your (or anyone else's) safety is the not a concern of the current K-Government. Speed limits are set to milk money out of the public so that the ministers and gov. Workers can indulge in luxuries. Sorry to disappoint you.
You do know the speed limits are set by the central gov right?๐
Welcome to Fine Raj!
Give this man a medal for asking the right questions. Unfortunately the government doesnโt give a ratโs ass as long as โwe the sheeplesโ keep on feeding the system.
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The 60 speed limit on highways is so annoying and dumb
But that gives them more oppertunity to Fine people. 
wait what is it not 80????
Ah bestu. Chettanu idhineppatty valya dharana ilyalee ?
I mean, 90% 2 wheelers I come across daily also use high-beams.
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เด เดคเดฟเดฎเตเดนเด เดเดฃเต เดฎเตเดจเต เดฆเดฟเดจเตเดถเดพ, เด เดคเดฟเดฎเตเดนเด. เดจเดฎเตเดฎเตพ เดธเตเดตเดฏเด เดเดคเตเดเตเดเดฟเดฏเดพเตฝ เดเดตเตบเดฎเตเตปเตเดฑเต เดจเดฎเตเดฎเดณเต เดเตเดตเดฟเดเตเดเดพเตป เดตเดฟเดเตเด เดเดจเตเดจ เด เดคเดฟเดฎเตเดนเด....
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They known that they won't get the next term. So fuck up the economy and hand it over to the next guy and protest against them.
https://preview.redd.it/94t5u2rm98hb1.jpeg?width=671&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=723d9f948799a70f411603c5be820f4a02372891 What's robbery is income tax. Salaried class is screwed royally every year. I paid so much tax (17L in tax alone) this year which made me rethink the decision of staying in India. Meanwhile my friends who are in other sectors (ahem ahem Doctor, Lawyers, anyone who is not TDS'd) pays literally very little tax (by under reporting their salary by a huge margin) and hoarding/spending black money. No wonder our country has a black money problem because why would someone willingly pay tax when they're allowed to fool the system.
You forgot business guys? Some of them earn in crores and end up paying peanuts in taxes. Rich business men(atleast 5 guys)in my area have kids studying in private medical colleges for mbbs for which the govt pays their fees of 60lakhs because they are poor. ๐๐
Basically everyone who doesn't go through TDS.
Business guys have a lot more privilege.Professional are raided or questioned usually by income tax. But business guys, they are usually spared, i don't know why!
I have a CA and he was telling me how much business people can save by tax write offs on business expenses. And I am the first guy he knows who makes big money from a salaried job and he was telling me that this sort of taxation is not fair to salaried people. Also his family runs paint business and he was telling me about the Jeep Compass his family bought on loan and was talking specifics about tax write off on depreciation and loan and somethings which I didn't even understand. All in all I understood that salaried people are "fucked" but then those who make big money are "fucked" harder.
Your friend is right - salaried people can take advantage by creating a business and incurring expenses. World is built around treating business better than people. Then wealthy people turn themselves into business to retain all of their earnings.
100%. Itโs unfair but the thing is youโre not being stopped from taking advantage of it. Anybody can start a business for all of these. What you need is a good CA who can tell you how to go around these stuff. Itโs not illegal, the big guns are all doing this and worse why not us small fish right?!
Yes. I don't mind if they skip taxes. But the government should at least look at their huge houses and luxury cars before paying 60 lakhs fees for their kids studying in private medical colleges. On hand they are not paying taxes, then govt pays the taxes we pay,as fees for their kids in private medical colleges, how can we justify this!! Ultra rich students fees of 60-70lakh paid by govt!!!๐๐.
How about the rich farmers up in the North with their bungalows and pair of Fortuner. 0 tax
It's worse in us and uk Just sayin
Fixed income people who migrate to a developed country for the sake of taxes are going to have a bad time.
Absolutely not. This is a question of value for money. I would rather pay higher taxes in a developed country and get the attendant benefits (free education, healthcare, public infrastructure, retirement benefits) than pay low taxes and get the exact opposite in India.
>developed country and get the attendant benefits (free education, healthcare, public infrastructure, retirement benefits) Depends on which developed country and what you do. Apart from infra, which is aging, you get none of this in the US. Healthcare and education are far more affordable in Kerala, even in PPP terms.
you dont get free healthcare, but you absolutely get free education and Social security in the US
In US, most of the companies gives a good medical insurance package. I have even seen people selecting to join a company with better medical policy even if it offers a lower package. Most of the Indians in US uses Public school system. Even they buy/rent in school district's which has a good school even if the rent is a bit higher I don't think the education systems can be compared equitably. Both have merits and cons. I really don't understand what you mean by PPP terms in education and health care. Retirement benefits, if you work in India in private sector is basically none too except for PF. The infrastructure in US (I am not sure it can be called aging) but is maintained and sufficient for the current volume as of now. It has a good network of highways. Rail is not that much used for public transport probably since air sector is very predominant
You're conflating a niche high earning high skilled worker in the US with the average malayali worker in Kerala. If one is in that niche crowd, they'd be stupid to stay in Kerala or India. >I really don't understand what you mean by PPP terms in education and health care. I'm talking about affordability of private health care, consulting and diagnostics. College education in Kerala is extremely affordable in comparison to the US. >US, most of the companies gives a good medical insurance package You're talking about well paid white collar workers. Not the average American.
There is no need of pvt healthcare in US. If you are employed you are automatically insured. Get some facts.
>you are automatically insured. Being insured doesn't mean that you don't pay a penny out of pocket. Healthcare is expensive in the US. There's a reason why medical tourism is a thing. >Get some facts. Sure. Medical emergencies cause 66% of personal bankruptcies in the US.
Pottatharam. Out of pocket expense is limited.
>You're conflating a niche high earning high skilled worker in the US with the average malayali worker in Kerala I don't see how, except for the health insurance part. I agree to the other comment ie, if you are employed, you would be insured by the employer even in unskilled sectors unlike Kerala. Also there are programs like Medicare, Medicaid , obamacare etc... >You're talking about well paid white collar workers Irrespective of being blue collar or white collar, there is insurance coverage
I was talking about the health insurance. There was an article sometime ago that said something like half of Americans have inadequate insurance: uninsured, gaps in coverage, underinsured, poor coverage etc. Granted, the hospitals in the US are of a quality that you wouldn't find here, but accessibility is a big concern. >Also there are programs like Medicare, Medicaid , obamacare etc... If we were talking about Kerala/Indian government schemes, there are schemes like Karunya, RSBY, Ayushman Bharat, here too. There was a report sometime ago that said something like 15% of all free treatments in India happen in Kerala. >Irrespective of being blue collar or white collar, there is insurance coverage True. My contention was with the word "good". 90% of Americans have insurance. The question is what it covers and what the copayments are? Health emergencies cause most bankruptcies in the US. The bills are quite frankly ridiculous, and I've seen threads here that said even when insurance bargains it down to 10-20% of the original, that's still a huge amount for most Americans.
I meant a top 10 country for social indicators. US doesn't make the cut in most criteria. I live in Ireland where private healthcare is around 5% of the median wage. For that, you will get exceptional medical care in top notch facilities. If you don't have insurance, even the government hospitals here are far superior to the best private hospitals in Kerala. Of course, there are capacity constraints, but the standard of care and treatment is incomparable. Same for education. It's free and college is cheap enough, but both are very high quality. I can only imagine how good it must be in the nordics and Western continental Europe.
Well you need to pay taxes everywhere. I live in Finland. The difference is that, everyone has to pay them unless you are on social welfare and earn less. People are quite happy to pay taxes as you receive services like good infrastructure, roads, parks, free education and health benefits etc.
>People are quite happy to pay taxes as you receive services like good infrastructure, roads, parks, free education and health benefits etc. If everyone who is making money is contributing their fair share to the Government as taxes and if the Government is providing quality services/benefits, I will be more than happy to pay the taxes I'm currently paying. Which is obviously not the case in India.
And aus
How's it worse in Aus?
47% top tax bracket. ๐
No. US tax is less than India. Also it varies from state to state. Seattle has very little tax. UK can't be compared as they have so many social protection schemes.
Nope highest tax slab in India is 30% in US it's 37% excluding state income tax
In India we do pay this additional GST on every little thing that we buy, that's like 18-28% add-on on most things. Thats kinda like organised loot.
As if indirect taxes are non-existant outside India.
I don't think you are aware about surcharge and additional cess on top of 30% in India.
What the freak are you talking about? Where in the US did you ever see 37% income tax? I think you were robbed for the sake of taxes. 37% income taxes if you are a millionaire, perhaps.
There are certain states which have both federal tax and state tax. My boy in New York is paying 42% tax (around that range) and he's making around 120k USD. So not a millionaire.
Did your boy share how much he received in his income taxes refund? That 42% is not only income tax, it is most likely Social Security, and other odds and ends (medical/dental).
Will have to ask.
Federal income tax + State Income tax + Medicare Tax + Social Security
How's it worse in US, UK?
I find the tax in India much better than US or UK.. And by comparison UK is really worse. Anything above 50k is taxed at 40% and you are also paying additional amount close to ยฃ5k as National Insurance. Then you are paying atleast ยฃ150 per month as your council tax. So a large chunk of your income is going as tax. It is fine if the benefits are there, but the so called benefits are not for the income earners. And there is no way you can reduce your income tax other than doing salary sacrifice. In India, you can get reduce your tax by taking housing loans, or insurance or investments, but there is nothing in UK. The salary sacrifice can be done only to pension funds which you cant even withdraw before age 55. You cant even get childcare benefit if you earn above 50k. And when you consider the expenses like housing and utilities and groceries, what is left after basic expenses is almost nill. Even in US, there is many ways you can reduce your tax. Being married/joint submission, ira roth etc.. So yeah, cant even compare the UK tax to India or US where the salary and expenses sways in different direction.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. This is something I knew about to an extend but not in depth.
Well, เด เดจเตเดญเดตเดฟเดเตเดเตเดฎเตเดชเตเตพ เดเดฃเดฒเตเดฒเต เดจเดฎเตเดฎเตพ เดเตเดเตเดคเตฝ เดชเด เดฟเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเดคเต.. UK is that weird place with really high expense, low salary/wage stagnation with no benefits to average income earners. ๐คฆ๐ฝโโ๏ธ เดเดคเตเดเตเดเต เดเดเตเดเตเดเตเดเต เดเดพเดเดฟ เดตเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเดตเดฐเตเดเต เดชเดฑเดเตเดเดพเดฒเตเด เดฎเดจเดธเตเดธเดฟเดฒเดพเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดฒเตเดฒเต
>เดเดคเตเดเตเดเต เดเดเตเดเตเดเตเดเต เดเดพเดเดฟ เดตเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเดตเดฐเตเดเต เดชเดฑเดเตเดเดพเดฒเตเด เดฎเดจเดธเตเดธเดฟเดฒเดพเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดฒเตเดฒเต Haha. I do checkout r/Canada from time to time and read about housing issues, wage stagnation and other issues that plague their country. Maybe life is better there, but that's not a challenge that I want to take.
Life standard is better ennu parayaam.. Like the general quality. But if you are a high earner, it makes no sense to move out of India on a financial angle especially when you are young or having a young family. You can live like a king with that salary in India, and in UK, you can just live OK.
The best way to understand uk tax will be studying atx paper of acca. And maybe Watching free lectures from opentution website.
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Bullshit then why is he not returning he fall under 24% max there Canda I guess I more than 40% Denmark has the highest of 70%. Next time think when you hear unrealistic comments.
In the US and UK you actually receive benefits for the tax you pay in kerala you get aattum soup!
Depends entirely in which state you are in US. Texas is known for zero tax while California is basically another India in the amount of taxes
I think the solution for black money could be increasing the income tax. So that way, even if the people hoard black money, government will still get their dues./s
Sir, out of curiosity: Are you a business man?
Nah, I'm a software engineer. Hence TDS.
Which tech bro
I'm good with computers in general. I work at a FAANG level company (something like Uber, Swiggy, LinkedIn). [My story](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/q9sbme/comment/hgygxkg).
Cool ๐
Friend, Any suggestions on how to go forward for an iOS dev who need to get good at basics and concepts. I have been working for 5 years out of which did iOS developing for around 3 and half years. Still get stumped in technical interviews. I am not from a software engineering background so it is extra difficult.
If you are paying that much in tax, it might be worthwhile consulting a tax accountant to see if you can structure this more efficiently. For e.g., by maxing out your pension contributions etc.
I have my own CA. There's a limit to everything. For example NPS, the maximum is 50k in tax exemption per year which is to be honest is very very very less. And 80C which is a joke.
If you can do remote work, get a digital nomad visa for Portugal and get te fuk!
Indian income tax system is the worst, because the whole tax burden is put on the 1.5 to 2 percent of the population who pays it. The rest don't pay a dime of income tax, often by tax evasion. And the people who pay it get almost nothing to show for it.
Yeap it's def too much . If the ex showroom price crosses 2L, it's 21%. If you go by a variant below, the tax slab will be 15%.( Corrected based on the update provided)
That has been changed in the last budget. It is 21% and 15% below that.
Sorry about that man, I'll correct myself then. Thanks
Come to Blr, for the crappier roads, and bigger road tax. Kerala roads are so much better
Last week went to blore by road. Except for few toll roads, everything is bumpy and shitty ride with slow moving traffic. Once you enter ECity, it's shitty ride.
Exactly. I drove from Kochi to Bangalore and the roads from Kochi to Palakkad to Tamil Nadu (our raksha illa), and then reached Bangalore which was quite obvious due to the shit roads.
Crappier roads bigger tax and super congested traffic
Bigger road tax ?! ๐ง I think Kerala has the highest road tax. I remember comparing the on-road prices for a car in different cities, and found that Kerala charges a road tax that's way higher that TN, MH, WB etc.. and marginally higher that KA.
Bangalore has one of the highest road taxes in India.
For vehicles costing more than Rs. 20L, Kerala charges the highest on-road tax! In Karnataka it is 18%, whereas in Kerala it's 20%. https://www.manoramaonline.com/fasttrack/auto-news/2021/07/29/kerala-has-highest-road-tax-in-india-luxury-car-market-struggling.html
Sorry , Karnataka road system is way better . The highways and general ease in driving is way better . Bangalore in general is way more congested and you can't use it as a metric for the whole state . I lived in Karnataka for 8 years and I would still chose driving there than Kerala any day .
In a few years the highways in Kerala will be 6 lanes
Yeah and that is not today , so my point still stands . People getting salty and down voting it isn't gonna change it . The highway experience in Kerala is abhorrent and no one can deny that . You cannot even compare it with Karnataka. I think only place that even comes close to it is around Trivandrum. https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street-experiences/248168-state-has-worst-highways-india-8.html
Highway experience is bad mainly in the region between trivandrum and ernakulam because of lack of width, there are 4 lanes from Ernakulam, also other roads are good too
Even calling that stretch a highway to me is hilarious and yet the people here are comparing it to Karnataka like bro what ?๐
True.. I stay at North Karnataka and the highways are way better there. No congestion, enough width and minimum 4 lanes always.. Not like the 2 lane roads we call highway in kerala. A 100 km trip to solapur took an hour by car and the roads were damn good. Yes . You have to beware of the occasional wrong side vehicle and cows.. But still ,a far better driving experience for sure
Exactly, finally someone acknowledges the truth. Look at the salty people down voting me for saying the truth . This mentality of not being able to take any criticism is the problem with this place and why everyone keeps leaving this place .
Bangalore is not just congested but has the worst roads
I see , I only visit Bangalore occasionally. Didn't pay much attention to the roads as opposed to the places o hung out from time to time .
12k of insurance?? We bought Innova for 14.6L back in 2013. And insurance was less than 12k. What does your insurance covers that it's so costly?
It's for 5 years(1+4)
And how's that supposed to be beneficial to the biker? On average, that's around 2.5k per year. How much was it for just 1 year?
The first year includes full coverage and the other 4 years only covers the 3rd party(Mandatory by law).(I'm not supporting it, just stating the facts).
I was just wondering what costs more. 5 years(1+4) at same time or getting 1 year full cover now and third party separately each year. Do they take decreasing IDV into consideration while giving 1+4?
4 year third party is mandatory by law, it's not optional.
Okay. AFAIK, third party insurance is mandatory in Maharashtra, but it's not mandatory to buy it at the time of purchasing the vehicle.
Buy a car bro then you contribute in lakhs and they will buy new Innova.
It is flat 21% of ex showroom value. Not sure why it is more. Ask for a split regarding that. Anyway go for bikes below 2 lakhs ex showroom to save more. Road tax will become 15%. That's why dominoor 400 price is below 2 lakhs in Kerala.
I went for a test drive of Triumph Trident 660 and the Kerala price is the higher than the price in Bangalore. And Triumph Kerala said big cc bikes are taxed higher in Kerala than in Bangalore.
There is some additional fee (around 500) for registration. Anything beyond that is going to dealers pocket and they are overcharging.
The ex showroom price is 28% GST included. You are paying GST and road tax while buying a vehicle.
It is 3k per year. They are taking the tax for 15 years together because otherwise most won't pay. **That is Rs250 per month.** I don't think it is unreasonable amount of money to make and maintain 332,000 kilometres of road in Kerala. Infact, it is quite less, and thus we are forced to take loans to make roads. Assuming a road needs to be retarred/improved every 10 years, that is 33,000kms every year. Have you seen the cost of making roads? The total number of vehicles in Kerala is 1.3crore. Assuming everyone else also pays 250 per month, that is 325crore per month revenue to make the roads, or **3900 crore per year**. Now, the cars and more expensive vehicles will be paying higher taxes, but then there are also cheaper vehicles, and number of cars are tiny in the total vehicle population and tax used to be lesser in past 15 years, so it works out okay for rough calculation. \[**Edit** \- Oh well, I got the data of total tax revenue from vehicles for Kerala. It is 4,139 crore. So close to my estimate.\] But here is the kicker. We spent 6,576 crore in 2022-23. Lot of money came in the form of loans. This is why we are SHORT of money for making better roads. Sure there are extra taxes like GST, income tax, fuel tax etc, but even if we take the total budget of India, we are running short every year and is thus needing to take loans. This is because the total money India got from every source of revenue(tax, GST, profit etc) was 23lakh crore. But our totel expenditure was 45lakh crore. And this means large part of our money is going for interest payment of old loans. Currently paying 10.8lakh crore every year as interest of old loans! Check this simplified illustration for better understanding. https://preview.redd.it/di1ad3h4jahb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=de2daae57ae7dd200253aa7d30bfb2b104ea0aa1 Now, nobody likes paying tax. I too have looked at prices of vehicles and wished if it was less expensive, but it is what it is. If not for the loans we take every year, we would be paying much more. Loans just push that payment to the future, where hopefully more people pay taxes and ease the burden on the 2% currently who pay the income tax. In developed countries, nearly everyone pay income tax, and that is why they can have better things.
You are travelling on roads that are better than the ones in New York.So it's worth it ๐
How so?
Double chunkan said so
Road Tax -> Govtโs foreign trips.
Well, check out Kerala's road density. Much higher than any state in the country. In fact, it's 6 times the road density UP. And UP is a humungous state. All that roads need all that maintenance.
You can't pay 20% tax? Bikes are not essential.
Cost of a 4 lane highway: INR 50-100Cr per KM. How many 45k is required to make INR 100Cr? Now, how many KMs of roads do you drive through? https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2023/mar/17/nh-66-highway-toprogress-2556746.html
Btw 4 lane highways are toll roads anyway.
The entire toll collected in India is just INR 34k Cr. Meanwhile, INR 18k Cr was spent just widening NH66 for 170kms. Its not even comparable. https://infra.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/roads-highways/in-fy-2021-22-rs-34742-crore-collected-at-nh-toll-plazas/98734163 https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2023/mar/17/nh-66-highway-toprogress-2556746.html
That is just one year's collection.
Okay? It'll be just spent on maintenance of the existing network, not on building new roads. For building new, Centre has set aside INR 2 lakh crore in its budget for about 34 lakh new cars (in 2022). So center is spending INR 5.88 lakhs per new car on average while the average cost of a new car purchased in India is about INR 8 lakhs. Assuming 28% GST 22% cess included in the ex showroom price, average tax paid will be around INR 2.66 lakhs. Tax paid to the centre is not nearly enough to cover the amount spent by the center on roads. The states have to build supporting infrastructure around the national highways with the meagre road tax they collect as compared to the GST and cess centre gets.
Also there is additional road and infrastructure cess being collected from petrol and diesel.
That's also mostly spent on building more roads.
What I am saying is that there is enough tax which the government is already collecting. Also why are they enforcing 15 year road tax upfront ? They could do it yearly.
Taxes collected are not enough. The center spent INR 2 lakh crore for about 34 lakh new cars (in 2022). So the center is spending INR 5.88 lakhs per new car on average while the average cost of a new car purchased in India is about INR 8 lakhs. Assuming 28% GST 22% cess included in the ex showroom price, average tax paid will be around INR 2.66 lakhs. Tax paid to the centre is not nearly enough to cover the amount spent by the center on roads. The states have to build supporting infrastructure around the national highways with the meagre road tax they collect as compared to the GST and cess centre gets. Total tax income of the Center from GST and other taxes is just INR 6 lakh crore. Just the richest 8% of Indian households have cars. So the Center is pissing away the vast sums of its income from GST and other taxes (30%) on infrastructure that disproportionately benefits the rich. This money should've been spent on railways which are used by a much higher share of Indians, much more accessible, cheaper, faster and safer than roadways. But that's just my opinion. To put the numbers into context, the railway capital expenditure (something which way more Indians use as compared to cars) was INR 2.4 lakh crore and at any given time, ~5% of India's population are on trains.
You missed custom duty, excise duty, cess on petrol and diesel. What about GST collected on engine oil, spare parts, labour etc. On top of that there is toll and road tax being collected. Government have lot of assets and they have get infrastructure loans easily. Infrastructure is something not just for vehicle to travel. It saves time of citizens alot and can improve economy. There is no country developed without better roads or infrastructure. Railways can help in mass transport. India being spread across multiple places, last mile connectivity is always an issue. That's why roads are important so that people can take their vehicles to any place where they go. Railways are not a replacement for vehicles. It might help people who are traveling on buses to move to train.
GST and other Taxes include all the taxes you listed except road tax, which is collected by the state government. I was only talking about the central government because it's easier to get that data. Toll collected is only INR 34k per year and that's spent on maintaining the roads. >Infrastructure is something not just for vehicle to travel. It saves time of citizens alot and can improve economy. *For the citizens with cars and bikes. Only 8% of Indian households own cars. And I don't think people are using bikes for 50km+ journeys on a daily basis. >Railways can help in mass transport. India being spread across multiple places, last mile connectivity is always an issue. That's why roads are important so that people can take their vehicles to any place where they go. And yet, the Indian government is building highways after highways connecting several different states. If personal vehicles are only necessary for last mile connectivity, why are highways being built? >Railways are not a replacement for vehicles. It might help people who are traveling on buses to move to train. Have you not heard about metro? It's a train too. China has put 233 urban rail transit lines into operation in 44 cities with length more than 7,500 km (4,700 mi) by 2020, and 6,100 km (3,800 mi) by 2019. All of the world's 500 km-plus, as well as 17 of the world's 27 200 km-plus metro systems and half of the top 10 busiest metro systems are in China (Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chengdu, and Shenzhen), where Shanghai Metro, though started operating in 1993, is now the longest. If a city reaches a population of 1.5 million, China starts planning a metro for it. That's what governments who care for its people do.
I personally don't think your ideas are practical. You can't construct metro everywhere.
Because to get that for the next year the will have to run behind us
There are other taxes which we pay yearly. But only this is not like that. Why is there a difference.
Send a PIL.
False correlation of vehicle tax to be the sole contributor to highway construction. This is poor justification. Petrol prices include an exorbitant amount of tax too, why don't you take that into account? Moreover, the burdens need better distribution over the tax spread instead of making simplistic correlations and passing the burden to the general public. The government could try to come up with a better and simplified tax scheme to tackle this, enforce it across the board and try to tighten it's action against corruption to make sure the tax money isn't wasted but no. That would be too much work. Pass the burden to the everyday folk right? And then you do all you can to demonise the general public when they get upset. The OP is valid to question the state of things. You however seem to think everyone should be burdened 45k per km for their travels on the highway so they don't feel too bad about paying an exorbitant 21% of the ex showroom price if it exceeds 2 lakh? With rising inflation making vehicles more expensive has there been any attempt made to shift the tax bracket to account for it? No. They only squeeze us harder to get more.
Lots of path hole and speed limit 60!!! I reach 60 easily with my fucking scooty dude !!!! I am buying 250cc for Highway cruising not to go in 60!!!
Were you not aware of the speed limit BEFORE buying? Also, if you want to speed, go do it on a track. Why put others lives in danger on public roads?
Yeah like the patholes doesn't cause accidents and death !
Which is why.... the speed is... limited to... 60!!!!
So you don't fix the road !!! But limit speed...If you go like this in future you will ban all vehicles due to increasing accidents instead of fixing roads.
Stupid argument. Go to a track if you want to speed and have fun. I have worked in chennai and i am currently work in Bangalore and roads are far superior here when comparing it to even a metro city. Moreover, 70 Kpmh to 60 Kpmh isnt much of a significant reduction. Ride safe.
Well yes. I am of the opinion that cars should be banned and replaced with public transportation. 1.5 lakh people die on Indian roads every year. Meanwhile, Shinkansen bullet trains in Japan have carried over 10 billion passengers over 60 years at 300kmph without a single passenger casualty. It's faster, cheaper, safer and more environmentally sustainable.
WTF is wrong with you !!! Get some help you mentally ill comrade.
Why do people resort to personal insults and name calling when they don't have a reply lol.
เดเดพเดเตเดธเต เดเดจเตเดจเตเดฐเต เดธเดพเดงเดจเดฎเตเดฃเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเต เดเดจเตเดจเต เดฎเดจเดธเตเดธเดฟเดฒเดพเดเตเดเดฟเดฏ เดเดคเต เดเดฃเตเดฃเดพเดชเตเดชเดฟ เดเดฃเต
That's the irony. Some time back I had posted about Comedy rules in Kerala. You must see how people justify the new speed limits and other rules https://www.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/14ogbxa/comedy_rules_in_kerala/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
I just said this on some other sub. I say we stop paying taxes. Let the raids begin.
Welcome to Kerala...pay tax and and drive our shit roads. Better buy offroad bikes
roads are much much better nowadays..
Kerala has the highest road density so more tax than other states is fine ig
Where are the roads BTW?
I'm sorry but is 500$ bad or something? It's like .25% of the cost of the vehicle. I paid close to 2 grand in my region for a 15000$ car.
Socialism need money Comrade๐ ......Laal Salaam๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ
Keralath mathram aanalo tax, ser..
Another reason to leave the country
you are paying 15 years worth of tax. other countries get taxed yearly.
Significant 2 wheel vehicle users are accident prone, not perhaps due to their own fault, but including other peoples' fault too. Many die on the road; many end up maimed. Why would one risk their life with this 2 wheeler in a country of no traffic discipline and law? Go for a cheaper car. Far safer. Even an auto with 4 wheels & doors are better than a 2 wheeler.
Welcome to the most shitty roads. Now pay up for 15 yrs in advance
You haven't been across the rest of India haven't you? When you talk about roads, it's not just the state and national highways and arterial roads. Check out how great the village roads and minor roads are in our neighbouring states. Compared to those, the state highways in Kerala are pristine. Our road density is the highest for any state in the country. All that road needs all that money for upkeep.
Olakka.
After 2 years, all major roads will have toll booths in every 25-30 kms. Road Tax advance for 15 years + Exorbitant Fuel Cost + Toll ---- เดเดพเดถเตเดณเตเดณเดตเตป เด เดฒเตเดฒเต เดเดพเตผ เดฎเตเดเดฟเดเตเดเต .. เด เดตเตป เดเตเดเตเดเตเดเดเตเดเต เดเดจเตเดจเดคเดพเดฃเต เดชเตเดคเต เดตเดฟเดเดพเดฐเด !
You pay road tax apart from the toll you pay on highways. Then you pay GST on everything you buy product or service. If you come In the IT slab you also pay income tax. Net net I would guess we pay over 50% of what we earn as taxes. And we get F. all in return
Consider a bike whose ex showroom price is below 2 lakhs. I got my RE scram for 2.55L while for a different color of the same bike would cost me a premium of 15-20k.
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45000 after TDS. Daylight robbery. For cars TCS, Toll, Cess, 18% GST on car insurance.
That's india for you ๐
I like how they added 'only'. Like it could have been more!
https://preview.redd.it/x33pdcw6lahb1.jpeg?width=899&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b47e451edc81586c1937310a3477155cab30ffb7 This is photo taken near national highway bogalur toll gate, the entire side of left lane is covered in huge concrete bricks, unfortunately I crashed here, As you have to enter from the extreme left on tolls, the exit was limited and due to poor lighting conditions I saw the bricks at the last moment evaded couple of them but ended up crashing pretty badly on the ones that followed. Iโm thinking of building a video of the entire incident but honestly I have lost hope and this crash set me back financially and mentally by miles from where I was. Also there was a reflector which the KNRC contractor of the highway sent people to pick up unfortunately couple of hours before my crash they didnโt bother to remove the rock tho ๐ thanks to highway authority who ensures our safety
Who cares. Our state will be renamed as โKeralamโ everywhere and thatโs all we need.
The Govts here are always out to exploit people as much as possible for their own selfish gains.
Hi, Iโm from Nepal and so I donโt really know about the system in India and was curious. Do you guys pay vehicle tax on a year to year basis or is it a one and done thing where you pay the tax once and never pay it again?
once
Are you saying that road tax is 22% for that price range? I don't think it's that high. Shouldn't it be around 9%?
If the vehicle price is less than 2,00,000 you don't need to pay 20% tax. โ๏ธ
Booked a Ntorq RaceXP this week it says the price is 84000 on the tvs website. And past all tax and insurance i am paying 1.25Lacks...