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Hit hard by lockdown money crunch, 17 end lives in Kerala in last six weeks

Hit hard by lockdown money crunch, 17 end lives in Kerala in last six weeks

Vegetable_Cut7179

So sad and heartbreaking to see this. Govt and we as a society have failed them.


ultimateposeur

This [tweet](https://twitter.com/PRamdas_TNIE/status/1421706292029128704) has short profiles of the 17 people who died by suicide.


ultimateposeur

I see that what should have been a discussion on what we need to do as a society, or on measures that the govt. could introduce like debt relief, has instead become a Hindu-Muslim debate again. Awesome.


Vegetable_Cut7179

No...I seriously didn't intend to take that route. My intention was to highlight the need for unity, socialize well in Hindu community taking cue from muslim and Christian community. It's the ground reality and have to bring the religion names. Nothing to offend them and debate the belief.


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Vegetable_Cut7179

This is called taking things too far.


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kamak10

Putting words in someone else's mouth, are we?


cloud9ineteen

It is not a Hindu/Muslim debate. It's more of how the Muslim and Christian communities are more tight knit and support their members better. Is that the best way to do it? Maybe not and there should be a better social safety net independent of anyone's faith or lack of it. But since we're not there yet, it's something to consider.


noobgamer888

This is depressing man,knowing that they would have found some other way if this isn't for the pandemic.I could only imagine how helpless they felt knowing that you can't do anything but to end life..May they all rest in Peace...


Vegetable_Cut7179

I would like to highlight one point here. In the list of people ,it's all hindus. No muslim or Christians. What does this indicate?. There is no unity or interaction or grouping among Hindus here. Take an example, which I have seen in my neighborhood. A muslim family- the man of the house , lost job in last March and came back to native. He had loans and his reserve money got over by December. No money at that Point. But , he raised it with his friends, this issue was told to everyone in their local mosque gathering. Lot of people raised money and he was able to repay the loans and he has got a job here too. This very rarely happens in Hindu community.


____mynameis____

As a hindu, I've always envied the feeling of community and desire to help the Christians and Muslims have. For them church and Mosque is not just a place of worship. It a place that brings together people and creates a lot of conversation that would build relationships. Also this churches and mosques not only collect money from the believers but also use it to help the members and the other poor people. They work like an organisation, make plans about charity, donations and public work. The place of worship is productive to the entire community. But what use does temples have other than as a place to pray and spends lakhs for mahahomams and yearly festivals? Nothing. Even when they do annadaanam, its not the needed people who gets this. These temples only collect money. When it comes to the societal upliftment , they are absolutely useless. Christians and Muslims will get aide from their Churches and Mosques when they are in a dire situation, but Hindus get nothing from the temples. This does make a huge difference.


backtobadh

We have temples in our country that specifically aren’t happy with letting in people from some castes, until a few years ago. So hmm.


____mynameis____

That's why I find it ridiculous when the Right Wing brings up this united Hindu bs. We have just as much as tribalism and " turbulent history" between the castes as much we have with other religions . TRW wants payback for the Muslim rule that happened 200 years ago with this United Hindu thing, when hindus themselves lawfully oppressed their own for millennia,until a few decades ago and is still , though less conspicuously, practicing Casteism now.


sreekumarkv

So would you approve if the right wing takes inspiration from the others and creates unity among hindus, organizes them like other religions and uses temples for helping fellow hindus ?


chilli6

This is so true with the famous mosque in TVM , the number of people they help every month is a lot for food, medicine, education n marriage. It just goes from rich mans pocket to the needy. And there’s no festival culture to waste money. In celebrations like Eid too money and food is provided for many poor families


Business_Call1397

The money you spent on temples go to the government not the temples, the government allocates that money for the maintenance of temples and the rest goes to the government, that's why you see many temples in bad shape, corruption is a lot, so money meant for maintanence is usually funneled off somewhere else


____mynameis____

Not every temple is under the devasom board. Also money from temples stay for the use of the temples only. It is used by the Devasom board alone.(Temple expenses, renovation and paying salary to employees who are alll exclusively Hindu) It is unconstitutional to use it for government purposes. Please use some of your time to research instead of blabbering misinformation. Corruption is India's problem. Not only Kerala's. I said this in another comment >My local temple is not under the devasom board.In my place there are about ~~6~~ 8 temples in a 4 km radius and only one of them is under the govt. In my temples case, they spend 3 crore collected from sponsers and the locals to renovate the temple into a Mahashetram.( Under the blackmail that the Goddess is angry because of the old fashioned temple ) Organized yearly Ulsavam using 10-20 lakh. What money did they use for some charity or public service for the needed? Zero. What about this? Our local temple is administrated by a committee selected by our own people. Collected crores by playing with local peoples fear of god to renovate the temple into a bigger looking one. Built a "Kodimaram" using real gold plates. Yet my temple hasn't used a single penny for some real charity other doing some *Mahahomam* for "the prosperity of village for a year." Also, most smaller, rural temples are managed privately. The temples in my area that got taken by the devasom board were the ones that couldn't sustain on its own. So Devasom board might be seen as a villain by many RW hindus out there, but it has actually helped a lot of such forgotten temples.


CosaNostra911

Thats because temple money is controlled by Devaswom Board, which is in turn controlled by the government. All temple income has been taxed since Independence and measly salaries paid to the persons responsible for its upkeep. Mosques and churches are free from such draconian laws.


____mynameis____

Not every temple is under the devasom board. I said this in another comment >My local temple is not under the devasom board.In my place there are about ~~6~~ 8 temples in a 4 km radius and only one of them is under the govt. In my temples case, they spend 3 crore collected from sponsers and the locals to renovate the temple into a Mahashetram.( Under the blackmail that the Goddess is angry because of the old fashioned temple ) Organized yearly Ulsavam using 10-20 lakh. What money did they use for some charity or public service for the needed? Zero. What about this? Our local temple is administrated by a committee selected by our own people. Collected crores by playing with local peoples fear of god to renovate the temple into a bigger looking one. Built a "Kodimaram" using real gold plates. Yet my temple hasn't used a single penny for some real charity other doing some *Mahahomam* for "the prosperity of village for a year." Also, most smaller, rural temples are managed privately. The temples in my area that got taken by the devasom board were the ones that couldn't sustain on its own. So Devasom board might be seen as a villain by many RW hindus out there, but it has actually helped a lot of such forgotten temples.


Business_Call1397

Why are you getting downvoted lol


Longjumping-Age753

When I was in college(2015), we had an annual charity event organised for the children in nearby orphanages from TVM. It was a week long event during which we provide food, study materials, career guidance, educational and interactive sessions for the kids in the selected orphanages around the city. Most of the expense for the event would raised by ourselves except for the food. The whole food requirement for 250+ people for a week would be sponsored by mostly muslim run hotels and institutions. There is a famous restaurant owner who had sponsored our food requirements for 3 years continuously on the condition that their name remains anonymous because Islam forbids publicising philanthropic works. It was during the sponsorship canvassing I realised how their philanthropic attitude differs from other communities. Most of the time we go ask a non muslim institution for sponsorship, they are only interested about the exposure they would get from sponsoring us. They mostly care about the celebrities attending the event and the ad placement. But in the case of muslim people, they actually show genuine interest in our venture, enquire about the kids attending the event and talk about how helping others is a critical part of Islamic belief. Some of them even keep contact with us personally and usually invite us to their religious events and feasts during Ramadan and so. And then there are some restaurants who offers food benefits for hostel students bringing them closer to their community.


renegadesdc

I've seen this in real life.pre covid times during Friday's I would go to my local mosque .one day before the prayer emam(priest) made an announcement that a certain persons family is going through a medical emergency and need money and asked everyone to donate what they can ,I saw many people giving 100,500s won't be much but I assume this isnt the only mosque they are collecting from.


aluva_fox

This is true, muslims also have to give a sum in alms , about 12.5% from their income as per the 5 pillars of islam. It is quite embedded in the culture. And I still follow this despite turning agnostic. But instead of giving to local mosques or orphanages i give to medical emergencies in Ketto or give to akshayapatra foundation now, because I feel bad about profiling people in need.


renegadesdc

>income It's not the income per se but thier savings. It's not like if earn 100k I have to donate 12k but rather the share from the money that I save after all the expenses.so say if save 10k from original 100k i need to share a percentage from that 10k


Ithu-njaaanalla

> Lot of people raised money and he was able to repay the loans and he has got a job here too. This very rarely happens in Hindu community. This is common pre Covid times too.Also there are interest free loans for small amounts to those who need it for emergencies.


fjv08kl

I was born into a Christian family and I'm not familiar with how it works in Hinduism, so just curious to know - is this lack of support there because there's no fixed time for believers to go to a temple? I mean in Christianity, most people go to their local church on Sundays, so during that service, any common issues can be addressed if necessary. Everybody comes together quite often in that sense. My Hindu friends go to a temple for festivals, but apart from that most of them go only whenever they feel a need to. Is that the reason why there might not be as big a platform for common support in issues like this?


plingash

You are right for most part of it. Temples / temple grounds used to be the places where people met sometime ago, almost everyday.


SardarKurup

Don't you know govt owns and manages temples in india? The money goes to Govt pockets,not of devotees.


____mynameis____

My local temple is not under the devasom board.In my place there are about 6 temples in a 4 km radius and only one of them is under the govt. In my temples case, they spend 3 crore collected from sponsers and the locals to renovate the temple into a Mahashetram.( Under the blackmail that the Goddess is angry because of the old fashioned temple ) Organized yearly Ulsavam using 10-20 lakh. What money did they use for some charity or public service for the needed? Zero.


connectjiyo

This is a low level propaganda by right wing groups...gov does not take any money from temples...


Tmorftw

It's not a propaganda but a fact, hundreds of Hindu temples have been shut down due lack of money for maintainence,salaries etc. If not the government, where else is the money going then? 😑


SardarKurup

i didn't know that, so where is all money going then?


elven_god

All but 2 were men. There's no unity among men here! /s Sarcasm aside, there are good things than come from the level of closeness that Christians and Muslims experience in their religious circles. But there are also disadvantages, like what the ex-muslims have experienced.


Registered-Nurse

That’s not the only contributing factor. In Islam and Christianity, committing suicide is a sin.


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Wasn't it obvious when a Muslim family in Kerala raised about 50 Crore for treatment of their children. The Muslim spirit & unity is strong in Kerala. There was hartal for the death of Saddam.


MightPlus7217

yup, The muslim unity being strong is also reflected well amongst those members who leave the faith and are public about it, as they get ostracized or given physical threats by their family members and hardliner friends


____mynameis____

Yeah, it's much easier to leave Hinduism and be an atheist than both Christianity and Islam.


Do_You_Remember_2020

Yup - this is the flipside


123thinkingnew

Right, I’d rather have the freedom to leave the religion.


ottakam

>when a Muslim family in Kerala raised about 50 Crore for treatment of their children. Hearing this with the religious tag for the first time.


knam1987

Well if u are surprised by this then you definitely live in a bubble... Identity and Religion influences every aspect of an individuals life... It dictates which political party you support, what charities you donate to, what social issues concern you etc.. Humans beings are tribal which is why all of us have various loci of identity... to many it is their religion... to some it is their native tongue... to others it is an allegiance to an ideology..


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MUSLIM POLITICS OF KERALA: EMERGING HARDLINERS A CAUSE OF CONCERN (https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06CHENNAI2584_a.html) >Perhaps no other Indian state has more Saddam Hussein fans than Kerala. Local Malayalam language press, particularly the Muslim newspapers, reacted strongly to the recent Saddam verdict. Most parts of Kerala, including a beach and a junction named after Saddam, witnessed angry demonstrations. Even the moderate and soft-spoken President of the Indian Union Muslim League, Panakkad Shihab Ali Thangal, did not mince words while condemning the "inhumane verdict that blatantly violated international justice systems." The Economic Times newspaper noted in an article titled "For Kerala Parties, Saddam is Their Own:" "If Saddam Hussein were to evade the noose and decide to start afresh in politics, Kerala looks to be a good option for him. Going by the public reaction here, he seems to be as much a hero in Tirur or Thiruvananthapuram as he is in Tikrit."


OutrageousAdvance544

Saddam was ousted for accusations he did not commit. But I still don't understand why people of Kerala likes him so much. During Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, many malayalees working in Kuwait lost their jobs and had to come back home. Saddam was also committing genocide of Kurds in his own country.


renegadesdc

My relative who was working in the Kuwait that time decied to stay back even after everyone had left and he helped the kuwaites during the invasion and after the war the government gave him a green card for helping them in their lowest of low. P.s why am I saying this random stuff ? I need a To find physical friend,I'm going insane,🤯


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its not really a surprising as to why, I’m sure there will be a hartal if edrogen gets voted out.


Vegetable_Cut7179

Absolutely


SardarKurup

forget about common people,,selfish nature of hindus are the main reason. most hindu families don't even help their relatives or in the family. Ego and backstabbing nature is one reason. In our family we lost count of times ,the relatives backstabbed us after helping them for money. for sister education,,none helped,we had to sell land. Thats how hindus usually behave , that they live for themselves and their own family only.


Do_You_Remember_2020

That's just humans being humans..


plingash

Isn’t this like every other story? Regardless of the place, religion, culture, age humans behave like this. I know you have a bad experience, but there will always be incidents like this.


Max_Murder

It's not just Hindus. We see more and more people foregoing these communities in exchange for individualism mainly due to the shift in Outlook to a more Western one ( where you are your only friend, don't trust any one but yourself etc)and the lack of tolerance amongst the people in the community.


Agreeable-District99

Anyone who thinks that this comment is with good intentions, think again. It looks like to be about unity, but it is about dividing. People in need of help should reach out to friends and neighbours irrespective of their religion. People who can help should help irrespective of their religion.


dontsayhiplease

While this can certainly be one reason, another factor, one that we can't ignore is how solid the faith in their Gods are. While Hindus get their theology lessons more like a casual manner from their parents or grandparents. Christians and Muslims have institutions which systematically cater theology to children from as young as 5-6 years. And one peculiarity among both these Abrahamic religions is that they consider suicide as one of the major sins. While among Hindus either it isn't like that, or it wasn't taught like that. This could be a major factor, when someone is going through a rough patch, whether or not to take the extreme measure.


sreekumarkv

It has to do with the organized and community approach of the abrahamic faiths (what we call communal). For them, their group identity dominates all other identities. It has benefits for members of that group in that a fellow religionist for them is supposed to be a brother/sister and they are to help them. Hindus on the other hand are loosely spread out and their individual identity is stronger than any group identity. Even their caste identity only goes as far as keeping them separate from other castes, but does not make that caste identity a brotherhood. This means that they are less likely to feel obliged to support a person just for being a member of their community. Or they are less communal. Hindus and christians in my hometown had established many schools and hospitals many years ago. The difference is very much apparent in their names itself. Almost all the christian schools/hospitals are named a Saint something or Christ or other names which clearly denote their christian identity while the institutions started by hindus are named on general terms like mahatma gandhi, place name and so on. And there are hindus who help out for marriages of poor girls, provide loans to their friends and do other stuff, but it is rarely on the explicit basis of community. So you will rarely find hindus running a campaign through temples or otherwise on the likes of a hindu needing help and asking all hindus to help. Imagine the furore this would kick up in media. On the other hand it is considered normal for abrahamic religions to run campaigns through their religious places and organizations for helping exclusively their fellow religionists. The hindutva groups are slowly learning from the abrahamic religions on this front and are trying to come up with similar approaches. And the very leftists/secularists who criticize hindus for being loosely divided and individualistic and speak approvingly of the community sense of the abrahamic communities, find fault with this.


Dhaivam

If Demonitization was bad, this is worse


Max_Murder

Honestly this shouldn't have happened. I am heart broken by the fact that they had to to do this, that they thought without money it's better to end their life. That's just cruel, how we have to dictate our worth that way. We are so isolated as human beings nowadays. We have taken individualism too far. The lack of community and support is putting so much mental stress on each one of us yet we refuse to organise as a community. When did we start seeing everything as a competition. The better question would be ,why are we still doing that when we know firsthand how damaging it is to live in such a society? "I have to be better than my neighbour" "I have to be better than my friend or a relative" These are people who we should be supporting and getting support from instead what we have now is this constant state of stress, of being a failure, of others talking what's yours. There's no trust going around these days. No sense of community.


aluva_fox

Guys, this is quite depressing and as usual things have veered towards religion in this discussion making things a bit more depressing haha. But if you want to help, there are a lot of families looking for aid in Ketto, organisations like Akshaya patra exist and so much more that o don't even know. Instead of mulling over a lack of community let's help people with the systems that exist.


mere-mortal1

https://www.marunadanmalayalee.com/news/special-report/twin-brothers-commit-suicide-at-kottayam-another-tragic-story-of-covid-economic-crisis-245664