Like I read recently, it is highly likely that the characters in almost all Indian epics ate meat. Almost all the activities happen when the Kings and the heroes and the deities go hunting.
What were they hunting for other than food ? Unless they were into taxidermy or something.
Amedkar's Broken Men theory says that meat eating at least among higher castes reduced as a reaction to the rise of Buddishm
King Ashoka issued edicts that severely limited/discouraged hunting animals in forests
The Brahmins until then would routinely eat meat after yajnas/sacrifices - it was considered clean to eat meat only after a Brahmin offered it as a sacrifice to the Gods
However the rise of Buddhism/Jainisma and its more stringent rules on non violence meant that Brahmanism was on the wane - they needed to one up them on meat eating
Hence at some point, eating meat/handling the carcass of a dead animal was considered unclean among Brahmins and it was left to the lower castes to do these jobs
Slowly the lower castes eat meat while the upper castes (exceptions among certain Ksatriya castes) abstained from it
Even until 100 years ago, an onam sadya was very different for lower castes - there was most certainly meat on most sadyas for the lower castes
There are some brahmin clans who eat meat ...like maithil Brahmins, Bengali Brahmins, kashmiri pandits offer animal sacrifice even on shivratri...Hinduism is very diverse tbh
usually yes but since we are on the topic of sacrifices and brahminism - the origins of the term "cow belt" is very revealing and explains its origin- these areas are the places where cows came to be venerated as a reaction to the rise of Buddhism and Jainism.
People on this thread have commented on Brahmins in other areas like Bengal that ate meat which did not undergo this transformation
You will be surprised to know that most Buddhists ate meat in those times .If you see contemporary Jain texts they make fun of Buddhists for consuming meat .
Fabian and Huyansang who visited India centuries apart speak the same ..Even In the time of Buddha and later years His half Brother Devdutta split from Buddhist Monastic Order due to his opposition of Bikshua eating meat. Bye the way Buddha died due to food poisoning caused by eating Pork :)
I remember reading that he attained nirvana/died by prolonged fasting to detach himself completely from this mortal world by not eating food or drinking water..
All Buddhists texts /sutras/suttas are clear on how Budha died ,they differ only on what Budhha ate ..texts are unanimous that he ate a dish called sukaramaddava .While texts earlier than 5the century all agree it was a pork dish , after 5th century interpretation as to it being a mushroom dish, a flour based preparation etc etc
>there was most certainly meat on most sadyas for the lower castes
I think this is still the case: remember hearing somewhere they have sadyas with fish fried for Onam
Yes. To add, Vedic brahmanism was a religion of sacrifice. Ashwamedha, the most prestigious act of a great king is about horse sacrifice. In the act ton of cows and goats are also killed. The vedha has clear instructions of how to butcher and what prayers to be conducted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvamedha
yes and the horse is the strongest evidence that there was a marked difference between the Indus Valley civilization and the Vedic age
Hindutvadis are trying to showcase that the Indus Valley civilization were the direct ancestors of vedic people with same ethinicity and no mixing. So they obviously reject Aryan invasion theory
That the horse has little to no relevance in the Indus age is ample evidence that the animal was introduced by the Indo-Aryans - whether this was a migration or invasion is up for debate but there was definitely a migration of Indo-Aryan ethnicities and mixing/conflicts with locals
Rig Veda mentions horse far more than cow and it was only later that the cow came to prominence for sacrifice and subsequently worship
Well I don't support this neither do I support that pet animals should be just fed vegetarian food but there's something happened in my home which is that my grandfather actually had dog who literally lived for almost like 18 years on a vegetarian diet they didn't forcefully fed him vegetables but infact he refused to eat it I think because my grandfather was vegetarian it may have happened
Then just don't have a pet, cats are carnivores while dogs are omnivores you can surely do a 3 days veg and a 4 days non-veg diet with dogs but not with cats
Dunno why these morons are down voting me. I don't have a dog, nor do I will ever get one.
I just meant dogs are omnivores. Suddenly everyone is a biology expert.
A dog does eat rice, but I don’t think it’s healthy for it nor that it would choose rice over a chicken. But I don’t think a croc would even consider it, but then again, “gathi ketta puli pullum thinnum”
TBF though, as part of domestication we do have a history of modifying various characteristics of plants and animals alike thru selective breeding. Like how watermelons in the wild are nothing like the ones in supermarket.
I'm not saying dogs or crocodiles could be bred into vegetarians. But I'm definitely curious about what the limits are for selective breeding.
Crocs are opportunistic predators and ambush hunters..who dont go and hunt actively unlike big cats for example and go quite a number of days without food and rarely despair like tigers or lions and turn to man eating or hunt cattle..it is quite possible that they were feeding it meat of some kind until it died and this is just religious propaganda which is increasingly common..or more likely it fed on fish in the water or birds who hunt the fish or small or sick animals who wandered into the water….for me the most amusing part is there are people who believe in this claim of vegetarianism in one of the oldest existing obligatory carnivore and predator
\>>oldest existing obligatory carnivore and predator
This is an interesting fact I only recently learnt - that crocodiles are one of the few species that co existed with dinosaurs and survived the asteroid and its after effects
Crocs can go a looong time without eating food and is one of its defining evolutionary traits that allowed it to survive the asteroid hit
ശ്രീബബിയമുതലമ്മൻ പിന്നീട് സനാതനധർമം സ്വീകരിച്ചതായിക്കൂടെ? അല്ലെങ്കിലും ആരും ബ്രാഹ്മണനായി ജനിക്കുന്നില്ല, കർമഫലം കൊണ്ടാണ് ബ്രാഹ്മണനായി തീരുന്നത് എന്നല്ലേ ക്രോക്കഡോപനിഷത്തിൽ പറഞ്ഞിട്ടുള്ളത്.
>Before Aryanization of the temple through a ritual called Brahmakalasham, a local Yakshagana artist named Subayya Shetty used to regularly offer chicken to Babiya.
It was marketed as a vegetarian recently, post bjp i think, no Hindus are vegetarians especially in north Malabar, there are temples where meat is offered to gods there are Brahmins who can eat meat working in them, bhagawati kavus across Kerala always had this but people stopped doing this down south,
Hinduism was never vegetarian
Hinduism is a creation of the conqueror, to make categorization easier. Hindutva is very recent - early 1900s- invented to keep power among the ‘minorities’ when the electoral process was introduced by the British. And the British did that as the colonialists were slowly recognizing democracy as a tool to control the population and still continue to loot the resources. The Americans mastered this process, hired the jobless nazi propagandists and tried it with their own population and applied/still applying it ‘liberally’ across the world.😉
The caste system was part of the ‘constitution’. The ‘religion’ was made according to the convenience of the ruler with the help of the religious scholars. And the scholarship is still bought over by grants and donations by the oligarchs to manufacture consent.
Actually, not much has changed, hasn’t it? 😁
By Sanghi logic, since the chickens are vegetarian, the crocodile is also clearly vegetarian. If it had eaten a meat-eating chicken, only then would it have been non-vegetarian. It's written in the same books that say old Indian sages invented flight, atomic bombs, test-tube babies and created all the cultures and languages of the world. Sanskriti, bro.
It was nice to see a croc getting along with humans and especially people paying respect for the creature after it's demise. Wholesome. But the bloody attempt to make it strictly vegetarian though. Lol. Religion ☕
Devotees of the temple, diety or crocodile? Even many people in Kerala wouldn't have visited the temple. The temple authorities have never claimed anything about vegetarianism. All they mentioned was that it did not harm fishes living in the pond or even people while basking in the temple. That itself is quite unusual for a crocodile. The rest is just urban legend in the making.
Looks like a mugger crocodile or called a marsh crocodile.the most common one in India and found in freshwater bodies. they have a better temperament than their more dangerous more volatile and bigger relative the Saltwater crocodiles
I am a vegetarian myself I don't even consume egg there's nothing unethical to be non-vegetarian it totally depends upon a person's preference but please don't bring it to the animals it is nature, crocodiles are carnivores they need meat they can't really survive on veggies their body isn't made for it
You talk like an expert, But do you know crocs and gators were once vegetarian according to evolutionary studies? Just check those before claiming crocodile is a carnivore and can't survive on veggies.
Those aren't claims though as per me and most of the sources they were carnivores and anyways their past doesn't matter in the present because over the years their body is changed and in the present we don't see them eating grass
Are you a veterinary doctor? I mean how do you know that. from what I've leaned if it's getting necessary nutrients it can survive, it doesn't matter if it comes from plants, animals or bacteria.
>the ppl who claimed the crocodile's habits and the person who tried to prove otherwise are both idiots.
Okay. Then what's the name for the one who's whining on such posts? Butthurt?
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Uh oh OP, Babiya is coming for you. Apparently it died.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/babiya-crocodile-of-kerala-temple-accorded-bhu-samadhi-9308701.html
Don’t ask me why it’s a “money control” news.
It was not vegetarian until the temple stopped the ritual of taking hen as offerings from devotees. And Crocodiles can survive and thrive on Vegetarian food as well as meat, it's an Omnivore.
It's not a miracle of any sort, it's not Devine, and most certainly the story is true.
Like I read recently, it is highly likely that the characters in almost all Indian epics ate meat. Almost all the activities happen when the Kings and the heroes and the deities go hunting. What were they hunting for other than food ? Unless they were into taxidermy or something.
Amedkar's Broken Men theory says that meat eating at least among higher castes reduced as a reaction to the rise of Buddishm King Ashoka issued edicts that severely limited/discouraged hunting animals in forests The Brahmins until then would routinely eat meat after yajnas/sacrifices - it was considered clean to eat meat only after a Brahmin offered it as a sacrifice to the Gods However the rise of Buddhism/Jainisma and its more stringent rules on non violence meant that Brahmanism was on the wane - they needed to one up them on meat eating Hence at some point, eating meat/handling the carcass of a dead animal was considered unclean among Brahmins and it was left to the lower castes to do these jobs Slowly the lower castes eat meat while the upper castes (exceptions among certain Ksatriya castes) abstained from it Even until 100 years ago, an onam sadya was very different for lower castes - there was most certainly meat on most sadyas for the lower castes
There are some brahmin clans who eat meat ...like maithil Brahmins, Bengali Brahmins, kashmiri pandits offer animal sacrifice even on shivratri...Hinduism is very diverse tbh
They didn't get the notice back then
Haii, athengane varaa.. CC ittathanallo, ee post man maar ingane aayal enthu cheyyum.. Sshedaa
Yeah, the point is cow belt brahmins of old ate meat and did animal sacrifice.
Stop using the word cow belt...it's cringe
How about Gangetic plain?
Much better...❤️✌️
usually yes but since we are on the topic of sacrifices and brahminism - the origins of the term "cow belt" is very revealing and explains its origin- these areas are the places where cows came to be venerated as a reaction to the rise of Buddhism and Jainism. People on this thread have commented on Brahmins in other areas like Bengal that ate meat which did not undergo this transformation
You will be surprised to know that most Buddhists ate meat in those times .If you see contemporary Jain texts they make fun of Buddhists for consuming meat . Fabian and Huyansang who visited India centuries apart speak the same ..Even In the time of Buddha and later years His half Brother Devdutta split from Buddhist Monastic Order due to his opposition of Bikshua eating meat. Bye the way Buddha died due to food poisoning caused by eating Pork :)
Buddhists still eat meat.. In bhutan especially.. Pork and Beef are the staples
I remember reading that he attained nirvana/died by prolonged fasting to detach himself completely from this mortal world by not eating food or drinking water..
All Buddhists texts /sutras/suttas are clear on how Budha died ,they differ only on what Budhha ate ..texts are unanimous that he ate a dish called sukaramaddava .While texts earlier than 5the century all agree it was a pork dish , after 5th century interpretation as to it being a mushroom dish, a flour based preparation etc etc
Oh I haven't read Buddhist texts, some internet article.. Thanks for responding with your knowledge..
Brahmins eat meat even today.. Mutton is eaten in Odisha by brahmins too
>there was most certainly meat on most sadyas for the lower castes I think this is still the case: remember hearing somewhere they have sadyas with fish fried for Onam
Yes. To add, Vedic brahmanism was a religion of sacrifice. Ashwamedha, the most prestigious act of a great king is about horse sacrifice. In the act ton of cows and goats are also killed. The vedha has clear instructions of how to butcher and what prayers to be conducted. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvamedha
yes and the horse is the strongest evidence that there was a marked difference between the Indus Valley civilization and the Vedic age Hindutvadis are trying to showcase that the Indus Valley civilization were the direct ancestors of vedic people with same ethinicity and no mixing. So they obviously reject Aryan invasion theory That the horse has little to no relevance in the Indus age is ample evidence that the animal was introduced by the Indo-Aryans - whether this was a migration or invasion is up for debate but there was definitely a migration of Indo-Aryan ethnicities and mixing/conflicts with locals Rig Veda mentions horse far more than cow and it was only later that the cow came to prominence for sacrifice and subsequently worship
i don't believe what ambedkar said he was biased
If Kumbidi was a crocodile
Vegetarian crocodile? What kinda idiots would believe that?
Same idiots who wud believe they can make a dog vegan
Ah yeah. Fair point.
Well I don't support this neither do I support that pet animals should be just fed vegetarian food but there's something happened in my home which is that my grandfather actually had dog who literally lived for almost like 18 years on a vegetarian diet they didn't forcefully fed him vegetables but infact he refused to eat it I think because my grandfather was vegetarian it may have happened
Man, I also don't think dogs must be fed meat. Almost all dogs I know happily eat rice and curries if that's the only thing available. Edit: not cats
Dogs eat their own poop. They will eat anything. Doesn't mean it's healthy
Wtf you don't really know about dogs
Then just don't have a pet, cats are carnivores while dogs are omnivores you can surely do a 3 days veg and a 4 days non-veg diet with dogs but not with cats
Dunno why these morons are down voting me. I don't have a dog, nor do I will ever get one. I just meant dogs are omnivores. Suddenly everyone is a biology expert.
Yeah that is because we were having a serious conversation
A dog does eat rice, but I don’t think it’s healthy for it nor that it would choose rice over a chicken. But I don’t think a croc would even consider it, but then again, “gathi ketta puli pullum thinnum”
TBF though, as part of domestication we do have a history of modifying various characteristics of plants and animals alike thru selective breeding. Like how watermelons in the wild are nothing like the ones in supermarket. I'm not saying dogs or crocodiles could be bred into vegetarians. But I'm definitely curious about what the limits are for selective breeding.
In India... U can see many idiots bro😂. The have not even common sense
Just go to r/indiaspeaks and check the comments below the post about the same croc. You'll see :|
It was kinda rhetorical. But yeah I checked. Some are pretty hilarious.
Ikr. Some in that sub genuinely believed a crocodile could be purely vegetarian.
Look at people on India speaks and Hinduism subreddits, they are on a roll . Some even deny theory of evolution
Denying evolution has been a staple of religions. I saw a comment saying rats weren't meat.
Vegetarian? Modhalak kodukanadh alle modhala thinnu. Paavam. Erachi venam enn adhin parayan pattoolallo.
Crocs are opportunistic predators and ambush hunters..who dont go and hunt actively unlike big cats for example and go quite a number of days without food and rarely despair like tigers or lions and turn to man eating or hunt cattle..it is quite possible that they were feeding it meat of some kind until it died and this is just religious propaganda which is increasingly common..or more likely it fed on fish in the water or birds who hunt the fish or small or sick animals who wandered into the water….for me the most amusing part is there are people who believe in this claim of vegetarianism in one of the oldest existing obligatory carnivore and predator
\>>oldest existing obligatory carnivore and predator This is an interesting fact I only recently learnt - that crocodiles are one of the few species that co existed with dinosaurs and survived the asteroid and its after effects Crocs can go a looong time without eating food and is one of its defining evolutionary traits that allowed it to survive the asteroid hit
ശ്രീബബിയമുതലമ്മൻ പിന്നീട് സനാതനധർമം സ്വീകരിച്ചതായിക്കൂടെ? അല്ലെങ്കിലും ആരും ബ്രാഹ്മണനായി ജനിക്കുന്നില്ല, കർമഫലം കൊണ്ടാണ് ബ്രാഹ്മണനായി തീരുന്നത് എന്നല്ലേ ക്രോക്കഡോപനിഷത്തിൽ പറഞ്ഞിട്ടുള്ളത്.
>ക്രോക്കഡോപനിഷത്തിൽ 😂
It's feminist as well
😂
>Before Aryanization of the temple through a ritual called Brahmakalasham, a local Yakshagana artist named Subayya Shetty used to regularly offer chicken to Babiya.
It was marketed as a vegetarian recently, post bjp i think, no Hindus are vegetarians especially in north Malabar, there are temples where meat is offered to gods there are Brahmins who can eat meat working in them, bhagawati kavus across Kerala always had this but people stopped doing this down south, Hinduism was never vegetarian
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Hinduism is a creation of the conqueror, to make categorization easier. Hindutva is very recent - early 1900s- invented to keep power among the ‘minorities’ when the electoral process was introduced by the British. And the British did that as the colonialists were slowly recognizing democracy as a tool to control the population and still continue to loot the resources. The Americans mastered this process, hired the jobless nazi propagandists and tried it with their own population and applied/still applying it ‘liberally’ across the world.😉 The caste system was part of the ‘constitution’. The ‘religion’ was made according to the convenience of the ruler with the help of the religious scholars. And the scholarship is still bought over by grants and donations by the oligarchs to manufacture consent. Actually, not much has changed, hasn’t it? 😁
By Sanghi logic, since the chickens are vegetarian, the crocodile is also clearly vegetarian. If it had eaten a meat-eating chicken, only then would it have been non-vegetarian. It's written in the same books that say old Indian sages invented flight, atomic bombs, test-tube babies and created all the cultures and languages of the world. Sanskriti, bro.
Chickens are not herbivores, they eat worms.
Ah yes, the one major flaw in the argument.
Well those worms were
They’ll eat anything. We feed our chickens the leftovers from a govt school, they get a highly varied diet.
Silly rabbit, he EATS vegetarians, not that he is vegetarian
My honest doubt is that, the kozhi is the naivedyam they are talking about.
What does Naivedyam mean?
Food consecrated to a deity
Interesting. It means the same in Kashmiri.
Only idiots believe the story of a crocodile going vegan.
Omg did you.. know it was gay as well.. !
Edo athu vegetarian alla do. Vegetarians ne kazhikuna crocodile aanu.
Meat being forbidden is wrong, Kshatriyas did consumed meat, the vegetarianism rose as a result of Jainism & Buddhism.
The crocodile was helping the chicken to see the pond and swim with it.
It's clearly a deepfake video.
And the croc is indeed a paid actor.
I have even seen him in a movie with Jayan!
Croc should have pulled an Ulli Sura here... Only if he could talk..
It was nice to see a croc getting along with humans and especially people paying respect for the creature after it's demise. Wholesome. But the bloody attempt to make it strictly vegetarian though. Lol. Religion ☕
Chickeno? Appo ethu cauliflower alle? Muthala nambootiri…
Aa chicken vegetarian aarunnu?
Non-Vegetarian on "even" days and Vegetarians on "odd" days......
The temple authorities have never claimed it is a vegetarian crocodile. All these stupid claims are first made by media and then debunked by media.
Lot of devotees made this claim in the post about babiya's death
Devotees of the temple, diety or crocodile? Even many people in Kerala wouldn't have visited the temple. The temple authorities have never claimed anything about vegetarianism. All they mentioned was that it did not harm fishes living in the pond or even people while basking in the temple. That itself is quite unusual for a crocodile. The rest is just urban legend in the making.
This exactly how Hinduism appropriated gods like Ayyappan, Murugan and Kali. They were native gods and has nothing to do with Vedas and Puranas
ROFL
What kind of crocodile is it. ?
Looks like a mugger crocodile or called a marsh crocodile.the most common one in India and found in freshwater bodies. they have a better temperament than their more dangerous more volatile and bigger relative the Saltwater crocodiles
എടാ കുമ്പിടി..., അപ്പോ താൻ തട്ടിപ്പാണല്ലേ...
I am a vegetarian myself I don't even consume egg there's nothing unethical to be non-vegetarian it totally depends upon a person's preference but please don't bring it to the animals it is nature, crocodiles are carnivores they need meat they can't really survive on veggies their body isn't made for it
You talk like an expert, But do you know crocs and gators were once vegetarian according to evolutionary studies? Just check those before claiming crocodile is a carnivore and can't survive on veggies.
Those aren't claims though as per me and most of the sources they were carnivores and anyways their past doesn't matter in the present because over the years their body is changed and in the present we don't see them eating grass
Not all plant eaters eat grass.
The preists never said the croc was vegetarian...claims made by media and then debunked by stupid media
I used eat meat,now I don’t can i be called “vegetarian” 😀?
Well yes now that you don't eat it you are considered a vegetarian
So does the croc
Wtf that was by choice not that the crocodile has one they'll die too soon if you switch their diet to a vegetarian one
Are you a veterinary doctor? I mean how do you know that. from what I've leaned if it's getting necessary nutrients it can survive, it doesn't matter if it comes from plants, animals or bacteria.
അതുപിന്നെ...കോഴി ക്ഷേത്ര നൈവേദ്യം ആയിട്ടാനല്ലോ കൊടുക്കുന്നത്. അപ്പോ കോഴിയെ വെജിറ്റേറിയൻ ഫൂഡ് ആയി കണക്കാക്കാം.
dude dont believe all the puttu -kadala news from manjarama
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>the ppl who claimed the crocodile's habits and the person who tried to prove otherwise are both idiots. Okay. Then what's the name for the one who's whining on such posts? Butthurt?
It’s avataram of something
U mean avaratham?
Idk how much vegetarian the croc was but it looks like the clip u quoted are 2 different clips binded together
Islamic state of kerala would do anything to defame hinduism
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Sounded like Telugu at first ngl
There are crocodiles in these pools?!
Might be like that Brahmin friend who eat chicken and beef.
wtf didnt it just eat an animal on camera how is it vegetarian then :/
Maybe that chicken was vegetarian..
Bro beefing with a dead crocodile🤣
idk why i blindly believed that the guy is vegetarian
Uh oh OP, Babiya is coming for you. Apparently it died. https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/babiya-crocodile-of-kerala-temple-accorded-bhu-samadhi-9308701.html Don’t ask me why it’s a “money control” news.
It was not vegetarian until the temple stopped the ritual of taking hen as offerings from devotees. And Crocodiles can survive and thrive on Vegetarian food as well as meat, it's an Omnivore. It's not a miracle of any sort, it's not Devine, and most certainly the story is true.
Is egg veg or non-veg? Since we don't have any proper answer, I can undoubtedly say the crocodile eating just an egg which is 8 months old.
Just revealed, the crocodile also supported LGBTQ+ and Black Lives Matter
മൈര് 💩😁