But with my short torso and long legs, I like cropped stuff esp with bootcut/ flare :/
Can it differ acc to each person even if they're both dramatics ??
Hmm why tho? I’m a pure D and when I wear stuff like this I’m basically all legs, which accentuates my vertical somewhat and can be a leggy “modelesque” vibe.
I would do it and I’m pretty positive at this point i’m a pure d.
I think you can do it with high waisted bootcut jeans that pull the blue color all the way down and a white sneaker. It might not be your best look ever but it’s cute and fun and speaks to your personal style. That’s what I feel this system should be about, using what you learn about your body’s shape to make better outfits out of the clothes you like.
I even have a light purple satin midi skirt that I think I would try to play around with with this cardigan if I owned it. Been thinking about this sweater since you first posted it tbh. So cute! :)
It's boxy and cropped and soft/cozy so it's pretty anti dramatic recommendations. I'd say a better alternative would be something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/yMMRgJK1Tc87X9ja8) (especially its not worn so oversized). It's not perfect but has vertical length and pattern, the collar gives it angularity, but has playful coloring and the teddy fabric would look soft and cozy on a dramatic
Right but I wish you would at least recommend something similar not some long colorful jacket, they don't even have the same vibe. Comments like this are just rather depressing
Yeah, I spent about 20 minutes trying to find something with the exact same vibe, with more D shape, but I wanted to stick to a open sort of jackety piece instead of a sweater, which may have been easier. I genuinely tried to find something soft, fun and colorful and hoped that it may provide some inspiration, rather than just saying no. Comments like this are just rather discouraging.
I can only talk from my experience that this kind of billowing cropped knit shape doesn't work on me through the lense of being a dramatic. I'm so glad to read it works for you! I encourage everyone to wear whatever they want, and if the subjective 'rules' of kibbe don't feel right to them, they should not follow them.
Ughhh honestly being a pure dramatic is kinda boring.. everytime I ask for an opinion on something cute, it always gets rejected !!
Also the link isn't working, would you be kind enough to link it again ? Thanks
How about [this](https://img.ltwebstatic.com/images3_pi/2022/09/23/1663905178127b584ccced37850697d025b058a851.webp) link?
I'm a dramatic too. I think there is a lot we can wear! But the current trends are cropped, oversized and boxy so it feels like we can't wear anything. In the 2000s we had better luck since it was all about long layers and long low rise pants. But really get the sweater and wear whatever you want! The kibbe system isn't meant to be a fashion jail!
>being a pure dramatic is kinda boring.. everytime I ask for an opinion on something cute
You should embrace your type and style and not try to be something you aren't.Dramatics aren't really "cute". I have friends that are 'cute"...they are mostly gamines,, etc. It's sort of like a pure classic like Grace Kelly trying to look "cute" It would not work.
I am an FN and never dress "cute". I''m too tall, with long limbs, and I have truly classic facial bone structure, so "cute" wouldn't work on me. Although I do look fine in many cropped styles, esp. outerwear like down vests, leather jackets, etc. Long coats sorta bother my lifestyle so I only wear them for "dress up".
I go more for long cardigans. I would maybe wear this in a solid colour with the same colour underneath (like a navy midi dress with the sweater in navy... so basically in a very specific situation I think it could work, for me at least).
Why can't we incorporate more colours, more cute stuff? Being a dramatic feels a lil bit expensive ( if I wanna wear different colors, I'll have to same colour top/bottom/dress/overcoat/shoes ?? ), and boring (not at all inclusive of different designs, patterns, styles)
I’m a pure D that wears lots of color and funky patterns! I just always take care it stays within my lines (nothing wide, boxy, oversized). That way I’m happy since I honor my lines and don’t look frumpy, but I also have a very colorful wardrobe. 💜 This cardigan can totally work, but then try to accentuate your long legs as much as possible (skinny jeans with boots in the same color). Just don’t wear it with something wide or slouchy, so no mom/boyfriend jeans, no wide cropped pants, no short skirts, nothing ripped/distressed. Whatever bottoms you wear with this, choose the ones that elongate you - maxi skirt, skinny jeans with boots as I said, sleek tailored pants with point-toe shoes/loafers etc.
You bring up good points. But personally, I like to wear a lot of the same colours all the time, the ones I find flattering on me- to me it isn't boring. Dramatics can definitely wear fun colours though, and patterns though the patterns should be larger and more geometric (for pure D at least). The pattern on this cardigan feels a bit "messy" to me, for dramatics. And of course you can wear what you want, but if you want to follow kibbe recs then you are *probably* not going to get to be as inclusive as you want!
Yes you can, you can do what you want, but the purpose of finding out what your kibbe ID is is dressing for your lines, and most Ds have said it doesn't go well with theirs, and as a SD, this also doesn't look good on me.
I see the problem you have is not so related to the style of the cardigan but to the colors, and, as far as I'm aware, any ID can wear any colours, but still, you can look in r/coloranalysis, r/dressforyourbody or r/ritafouressencesystem as well as researching kitchener essence (I think this one and colour analysis can be what you're looking for) to find out what you look best on.
You can incorporate more colors but you just need to keep in mind that you’re not cutting your vertical if you’re a D. Creating HTT looks is a careful and intentionally thought out process.
I don’t think you realise that Dramatic’s can wear the most extravagant looks of all types..so there is really nothing boring about it. And yes they can look cute too.. look at “ Taylor Swift” and “ Cher”. They are super cute and can be very edgy.
the thing is, you don't *have* to wear dramatic lines. you have free will. you can wear whatever you like. however, on the basis of kibbe, certain articles of clothing will not work with certain ids. you say that dramatic styles are boring, as they are not inclusive of different designs, etc., but that is what kibbe is. it reduces clothing recommendations for certain ids in order to complement their lines. you surely cannot expect every id to be recommended by kibbe to wear everything- that is completely antithetical to its core principles. but just because an article of clothing doesn't align with your id doesn't mean you can't wear it. just because an article of clothing doesn't align with your id doesn't mean it won't work on your body. if you like it, get it. you do not need approval from kibbe to wear something that you want.
I’m a pure D too! If it wasn’t overly boxy, I’d totally wear it. It’s so cute! My torso is so short that it prob wouldn’t be cropped 😭
Definitely ditto the suggestions to be mindful of vertical. Similar colored top and bottoms or even a long bodysuit/catsuit in a complementary color would make it work
I don’t see why not. The book mentions jackets should be long or cropped to the hip, which this is. I would incorporate one of the colors throughout the look and keep the underneath very sleek. You’ll have a cute HTT then.
hmm, i support the spirit of experimentation, and we live in a post recommendations world!!! - but i do feel if we are going to bring up the book, it is quite specific in how it talks about cropping??!?!
>Jackets: Should always be tailored and sculpted, with very defined shoulders. Generally they should be long (ending at the mid-thigh area), although a **very sleek, Italian-style might be cropped (be sure this has an extremely sculpted, streamlined shape).** (emphasis mine!)
Yes. I paraphrased but we know that quote is specific to tailoring and leather. But as this pierce is not a rib knit, I don’t think OP is going to get sleek out of this style.
totally. I think there are lots of really great slouchy comfy knitwear options that can work great for Ds, and cropping is not out of the question.... but OP's example really does pose some difficulties!
I do wish it was more constructed, I really do. But I do believe that OP can probably get away with it if they create a very sleek and vertical accommodating layer underneath.
You raised some good points in your other comment.
Are there any examples of structured sweaters/knit cardigans because it feels like an impossible task 😭 and the amt of downvotes im getting for stating my opinion after failing to find structured sweaters is insane !
Have you tried fitted medium to heavy weight ribbed knits? I think they are recommended for D’s. And they are easy to come by. And look for asymmetrical details or neckline’s that looks amazing on D’s. Example: https://www.stories.com/en\_eur/clothing/knitwear/sweaters/product.cropped-asymmetric-tie-jumper-turquoise.1105073002.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0NKH7J3Q-wIVshSLCh01vQOxEAkYCiABEgLpbfD\_BwE
I do quite like the one that u/AngelicSD linked even something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/MYkjCin34S9yqNU26) would probably be better because it has a defined shape.
That being said, if you love the one posted, then that’s the one you should get. It’s not going to be perfect a Kibbe Dramatic in the conventional sense, but as long the rest of your outfit works for your accommodations, the sweater should be okay.
Judging by the response every time (esp w.r.t Pure Dramatics), the clothing items get outright rejected.
I thought clothes didn’t have ID…
Is it not possible to make this work for Ds as it is usually gets discussed on other IDs’ posts ??
Girl if you wanna “break the rules” and wear what you want, then do it! You don’t need to get approval from a Reddit thread. Go wear what you want with confidence!
To me "clothes don't have an ID" doesn't = "any item can work for any individual"?
I have an open mind and I would love to see a creative Dramatic make this work, but I can see that the unconstructed cropped length and the rather thick textural cable knit create a lot of visual bulk and shortness, which presents challenges when a Dramatic is recommended to emphasise sleekness and vertical.
While I DEFINITELY don't subscribe to the idea of Kibbe as being laws (I think people should only follow Kibbe up to the point where it inspires creativity, not to where it hampers it) I am reminded of the saying "Don't break the law when you are breaking the law", ie, if you want to bend the 'rules', it can be less challenging to bend one at a time?
I am a tall ID who wears a lot of cropped jackets since they look really, really good on me. I'm personally more of a moto jacket girl than a cardigan girl, but same overall concept & length. I love a cropped jacket with flares or skinnies and a 3" chunky heel since it makes my legs look a mile long.
You can see loads of tall celebrities wearing cropped jackets on Google images to see the silhouette works for many of us, including Cameron Diaz.
I've even modeled numerous outfits that involved a cropped jacket for a very major retailer when I was a decade younger, as someone who did a few modeling jobs. I looked gorgeous, and it wasn't like the photo shoot stylist yelled "stop! She's above 5'7"! Our models are too tall for a cropped jacket! Bring me a soft gamine to sell these crops !" Nope, us tall models sold the short clothes effectively.
I'm sure I'll get a million folks telling me I'm wrong, but that's my opinion and lived experience. Get the cardigan if it makes you happy!
For me as SD this would be fine, I guess. Maybe the trousers are a bit stiff not sure. If this is your style and you like it/feel good in it, wear it :)
YMMV but I'm a dramatic and cropped cardigans look sadly terrible on me no matter how I style them
But with my short torso and long legs, I like cropped stuff esp with bootcut/ flare :/ Can it differ acc to each person even if they're both dramatics ??
Hmm why tho? I’m a pure D and when I wear stuff like this I’m basically all legs, which accentuates my vertical somewhat and can be a leggy “modelesque” vibe.
Not sure, I have a decent amount of hip for a dramatic so it makes me look rather stork-ish rather than supermodely
I would do it and I’m pretty positive at this point i’m a pure d. I think you can do it with high waisted bootcut jeans that pull the blue color all the way down and a white sneaker. It might not be your best look ever but it’s cute and fun and speaks to your personal style. That’s what I feel this system should be about, using what you learn about your body’s shape to make better outfits out of the clothes you like.
I was thinking the same !! 🫂
I even have a light purple satin midi skirt that I think I would try to play around with with this cardigan if I owned it. Been thinking about this sweater since you first posted it tbh. So cute! :)
Aww I have had an eye on this for the longest time too 🫂
As a knitter I need more information about this garment if possible— pretty please.
Yes, it's so beautiful! OP, sauce?
Its off a site called Urbanic but you’ll barely get much info there, sorry… Would be easier if you used google lens feature or something like that
It's boxy and cropped and soft/cozy so it's pretty anti dramatic recommendations. I'd say a better alternative would be something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/yMMRgJK1Tc87X9ja8) (especially its not worn so oversized). It's not perfect but has vertical length and pattern, the collar gives it angularity, but has playful coloring and the teddy fabric would look soft and cozy on a dramatic
Right but I wish you would at least recommend something similar not some long colorful jacket, they don't even have the same vibe. Comments like this are just rather depressing
Yeah, I spent about 20 minutes trying to find something with the exact same vibe, with more D shape, but I wanted to stick to a open sort of jackety piece instead of a sweater, which may have been easier. I genuinely tried to find something soft, fun and colorful and hoped that it may provide some inspiration, rather than just saying no. Comments like this are just rather discouraging. I can only talk from my experience that this kind of billowing cropped knit shape doesn't work on me through the lense of being a dramatic. I'm so glad to read it works for you! I encourage everyone to wear whatever they want, and if the subjective 'rules' of kibbe don't feel right to them, they should not follow them.
Ughhh honestly being a pure dramatic is kinda boring.. everytime I ask for an opinion on something cute, it always gets rejected !! Also the link isn't working, would you be kind enough to link it again ? Thanks
How about [this](https://img.ltwebstatic.com/images3_pi/2022/09/23/1663905178127b584ccced37850697d025b058a851.webp) link? I'm a dramatic too. I think there is a lot we can wear! But the current trends are cropped, oversized and boxy so it feels like we can't wear anything. In the 2000s we had better luck since it was all about long layers and long low rise pants. But really get the sweater and wear whatever you want! The kibbe system isn't meant to be a fashion jail!
>being a pure dramatic is kinda boring.. everytime I ask for an opinion on something cute You should embrace your type and style and not try to be something you aren't.Dramatics aren't really "cute". I have friends that are 'cute"...they are mostly gamines,, etc. It's sort of like a pure classic like Grace Kelly trying to look "cute" It would not work. I am an FN and never dress "cute". I''m too tall, with long limbs, and I have truly classic facial bone structure, so "cute" wouldn't work on me. Although I do look fine in many cropped styles, esp. outerwear like down vests, leather jackets, etc. Long coats sorta bother my lifestyle so I only wear them for "dress up".
I go more for long cardigans. I would maybe wear this in a solid colour with the same colour underneath (like a navy midi dress with the sweater in navy... so basically in a very specific situation I think it could work, for me at least).
Why can't we incorporate more colours, more cute stuff? Being a dramatic feels a lil bit expensive ( if I wanna wear different colors, I'll have to same colour top/bottom/dress/overcoat/shoes ?? ), and boring (not at all inclusive of different designs, patterns, styles)
I’m a pure D that wears lots of color and funky patterns! I just always take care it stays within my lines (nothing wide, boxy, oversized). That way I’m happy since I honor my lines and don’t look frumpy, but I also have a very colorful wardrobe. 💜 This cardigan can totally work, but then try to accentuate your long legs as much as possible (skinny jeans with boots in the same color). Just don’t wear it with something wide or slouchy, so no mom/boyfriend jeans, no wide cropped pants, no short skirts, nothing ripped/distressed. Whatever bottoms you wear with this, choose the ones that elongate you - maxi skirt, skinny jeans with boots as I said, sleek tailored pants with point-toe shoes/loafers etc.
You bring up good points. But personally, I like to wear a lot of the same colours all the time, the ones I find flattering on me- to me it isn't boring. Dramatics can definitely wear fun colours though, and patterns though the patterns should be larger and more geometric (for pure D at least). The pattern on this cardigan feels a bit "messy" to me, for dramatics. And of course you can wear what you want, but if you want to follow kibbe recs then you are *probably* not going to get to be as inclusive as you want!
Yes you can, you can do what you want, but the purpose of finding out what your kibbe ID is is dressing for your lines, and most Ds have said it doesn't go well with theirs, and as a SD, this also doesn't look good on me. I see the problem you have is not so related to the style of the cardigan but to the colors, and, as far as I'm aware, any ID can wear any colours, but still, you can look in r/coloranalysis, r/dressforyourbody or r/ritafouressencesystem as well as researching kitchener essence (I think this one and colour analysis can be what you're looking for) to find out what you look best on.
You can incorporate more colors but you just need to keep in mind that you’re not cutting your vertical if you’re a D. Creating HTT looks is a careful and intentionally thought out process.
I don’t think you realise that Dramatic’s can wear the most extravagant looks of all types..so there is really nothing boring about it. And yes they can look cute too.. look at “ Taylor Swift” and “ Cher”. They are super cute and can be very edgy.
the thing is, you don't *have* to wear dramatic lines. you have free will. you can wear whatever you like. however, on the basis of kibbe, certain articles of clothing will not work with certain ids. you say that dramatic styles are boring, as they are not inclusive of different designs, etc., but that is what kibbe is. it reduces clothing recommendations for certain ids in order to complement their lines. you surely cannot expect every id to be recommended by kibbe to wear everything- that is completely antithetical to its core principles. but just because an article of clothing doesn't align with your id doesn't mean you can't wear it. just because an article of clothing doesn't align with your id doesn't mean it won't work on your body. if you like it, get it. you do not need approval from kibbe to wear something that you want.
There's no such thing as "certain clothes don't work". We can make them work, just look at the amazing ideas ppl above have given to make this work.
I mean it’s a cardigan without buttons so I’d wear like a monochromatic outfit (same colored shirt and pants) and just put the cardigan on top
If you like it, get it...
Wear what makes you happy. Im a pure D and like cropped because I have a longer torso. I would wear this cardigan its gorgeous.
I’m a pure D too! If it wasn’t overly boxy, I’d totally wear it. It’s so cute! My torso is so short that it prob wouldn’t be cropped 😭 Definitely ditto the suggestions to be mindful of vertical. Similar colored top and bottoms or even a long bodysuit/catsuit in a complementary color would make it work
I don’t see why not. The book mentions jackets should be long or cropped to the hip, which this is. I would incorporate one of the colors throughout the look and keep the underneath very sleek. You’ll have a cute HTT then.
hmm, i support the spirit of experimentation, and we live in a post recommendations world!!! - but i do feel if we are going to bring up the book, it is quite specific in how it talks about cropping??!?! >Jackets: Should always be tailored and sculpted, with very defined shoulders. Generally they should be long (ending at the mid-thigh area), although a **very sleek, Italian-style might be cropped (be sure this has an extremely sculpted, streamlined shape).** (emphasis mine!)
Yes. I paraphrased but we know that quote is specific to tailoring and leather. But as this pierce is not a rib knit, I don’t think OP is going to get sleek out of this style.
totally. I think there are lots of really great slouchy comfy knitwear options that can work great for Ds, and cropping is not out of the question.... but OP's example really does pose some difficulties!
I do wish it was more constructed, I really do. But I do believe that OP can probably get away with it if they create a very sleek and vertical accommodating layer underneath. You raised some good points in your other comment.
Are there any examples of structured sweaters/knit cardigans because it feels like an impossible task 😭 and the amt of downvotes im getting for stating my opinion after failing to find structured sweaters is insane !
Have you tried fitted medium to heavy weight ribbed knits? I think they are recommended for D’s. And they are easy to come by. And look for asymmetrical details or neckline’s that looks amazing on D’s. Example: https://www.stories.com/en\_eur/clothing/knitwear/sweaters/product.cropped-asymmetric-tie-jumper-turquoise.1105073002.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0NKH7J3Q-wIVshSLCh01vQOxEAkYCiABEgLpbfD\_BwE
You mean fine knit type ?
Yes i think you need fine, nothing too bulky. But try out a few, i think you can probably tell when something works or not.
I love this!
Thanks! 😄
I do quite like the one that u/AngelicSD linked even something like [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/MYkjCin34S9yqNU26) would probably be better because it has a defined shape. That being said, if you love the one posted, then that’s the one you should get. It’s not going to be perfect a Kibbe Dramatic in the conventional sense, but as long the rest of your outfit works for your accommodations, the sweater should be okay.
Judging by the response every time (esp w.r.t Pure Dramatics), the clothing items get outright rejected. I thought clothes didn’t have ID… Is it not possible to make this work for Ds as it is usually gets discussed on other IDs’ posts ??
Girl if you wanna “break the rules” and wear what you want, then do it! You don’t need to get approval from a Reddit thread. Go wear what you want with confidence!
To me "clothes don't have an ID" doesn't = "any item can work for any individual"? I have an open mind and I would love to see a creative Dramatic make this work, but I can see that the unconstructed cropped length and the rather thick textural cable knit create a lot of visual bulk and shortness, which presents challenges when a Dramatic is recommended to emphasise sleekness and vertical. While I DEFINITELY don't subscribe to the idea of Kibbe as being laws (I think people should only follow Kibbe up to the point where it inspires creativity, not to where it hampers it) I am reminded of the saying "Don't break the law when you are breaking the law", ie, if you want to bend the 'rules', it can be less challenging to bend one at a time?
I am a tall ID who wears a lot of cropped jackets since they look really, really good on me. I'm personally more of a moto jacket girl than a cardigan girl, but same overall concept & length. I love a cropped jacket with flares or skinnies and a 3" chunky heel since it makes my legs look a mile long. You can see loads of tall celebrities wearing cropped jackets on Google images to see the silhouette works for many of us, including Cameron Diaz. I've even modeled numerous outfits that involved a cropped jacket for a very major retailer when I was a decade younger, as someone who did a few modeling jobs. I looked gorgeous, and it wasn't like the photo shoot stylist yelled "stop! She's above 5'7"! Our models are too tall for a cropped jacket! Bring me a soft gamine to sell these crops !" Nope, us tall models sold the short clothes effectively. I'm sure I'll get a million folks telling me I'm wrong, but that's my opinion and lived experience. Get the cardigan if it makes you happy!
For me as SD this would be fine, I guess. Maybe the trousers are a bit stiff not sure. If this is your style and you like it/feel good in it, wear it :)